Why is everyone not going totally bonkers about the junior boys?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
on the strength of their new ep, you really should be, you know...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

probably because it's not out yet dave.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

also, as much as i like it, i'm not sure it's the best calling card it could have been.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

probably because it's not out yet dave.

like this is any kind of excuse... i know what you lot get up to with computers and stuff

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Will that do?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you mean like formenting hype before the actual release date, Dave? [polishes halo]

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

plus, after this weekend i'm not sure if i can listen to it anymore.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

fucking indie records.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you mean like formenting hype before the actual release date, Dave? [polishes halo]

i prefer to think of it as enthusiasm, thinking other people here might have heard it and wanting to get to the bottom of why I like it so much. however, matos that is not to take issue with the obvious fact that you are indeed too good for this place

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

why not jess, what happened this weekend? do you need to talk about it?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

who said I was too good for this place? see my contributions to various Luomo, microhouse, and Basement Jaxx threads etc.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like it, 'specially the Fennesz remix at the end there. Not convinced it's doing much that Luomo or MRI haven't already done of late, but I'll be checking 'em in future for certain. Also their label/PR guy that phoned up about it was one of the nicest cold callers I've ever had the pleasure of speaking to.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i really want to write about the JB's eventually in print just so 2-step actually gets mentioned.

i think the fennesz remix is pretty perfunctory, all in all. he's verging on self-parody a bit.

nick.K is a super nice guy, yes.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I haven't even heard about this until now, oddly enough

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

matos: http://www.electrokin.com

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

after spending the weekend i like the ep better than i like luomo's album - it just has a little more edge and mystery - it's lovely.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha is electrokin quoting from blogs?! that's what i wanna see in ads on billboards from now on -- instead of '**** - Spin' or whatever, see '**** - NYLPM'

geeta, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 18:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think some people are going bonkers about it: quietly, behind closed doors, or amongst themselves. It's a guilty pleasure, and most people who could write about it seem to be waiting for other press endorsement before they'll do something on a pair of unknowns (Jbeez and KIN). That seems to be how it's working.

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you heard the man, matos.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It actually took a long time to grow on me - for a long time I heard too much Coloma in it, but now I don't see much relation at all. It opened up when I listened long enough and, crucially, loud enough. The Fennesz is lovely, very Fennesz; I think it works in context as a kind of reprise. I wouldn't want to listen to an entire record (or even a side) like that. "Last Exit" is by far the strongest track, just for the way it keeps building, clenching, and then easing off again. If I have a complaint it's that it all blurs together; I'd like to hear more distinct ideas (and assume they'll come with the next record). But "Last Exit" alone is enough, just those two (three?) big arcs of sound. Totally indulgent and totally unabashed. I love it.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

look, i don't want it to seem like i was damning with faint praise above. the junior boys are amazing. the best group around at the moment, for my money. "birthday" or "last exit" will almost certainly be in my top 10 this year. (it will be a hard choice.) they totally erase the "dancefloor soul"/"bedroom introspection"/"glittering abstraction" non-divide like it weren't nothing but a thing. they're everything i love most about music, in fact (luscious textures, mopey singing, stuttering beats), minus rapping. THE JUNIOR BOYS ARE FUCKING GREAT, GIVE ELECTROKIN ALL YR MONEY.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 05:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

because birthday has been hanging around for TWO YEARS now, perhaps?

(actually possibly longer, i heard it two years ago but maybe it's even older than that.)

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 06:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I hyped this stuff up last year - but please Dave continue to hype up the proper release so everyone buys it!

I hope "More Than Real" and "High Come Down" end up getting a release at some stage as well - Nick...?

(ps. Nick I sent an e-mail to you a while ago with some media info and I just got it bounced back after two months, assume it's my fault not yours. anyway i'll send it again w/ some modifications asap)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 07:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

havent heard it but eshun's 'slyly generic name' thing is spot on!

Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 07:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i hope

Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 07:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hell yeah! 'More than Real' opens the album, and 'High Come Down' has it's own EP with remixes. But alot of this depends on the success/reception of the first EP. Again, like Luomo it's not as accessible as people expect it to be, it doesn't immediately grab everyone when they first hear it, working it's way in after a couple of days (after the deadline in many cases... )

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 08:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad those two tracks are getting another look in - I think they balance out the more reflective tone of "Birthday" and "More Than Real" with an elements of danger/sex/physicality. A good balancing act between song and groove (especially as that balance kind of gets lost slightly on the really groove-based tracks like "I'm So Into You" which are very Horsepower Productions - mind you good Horsepower Productions).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 08:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah i got a copy of some stuff last year but didn't really see much point talking about it coz NO ONE knew who they were at all, as opposed to not very many people knowing who they are now - the fennesz mix really drove itself into my head this weekend. in some senses it really reminds me of isolee in that there's a lovely feeling of dissonance and lack, brought to your attention all the more by the occasional surges of sound. if i had to say anything it's that, not unlike plastikman and villalobos' recent stuff, there's a kind of ache and sense of unease to it. anyway, might be my current mood, but i could listen to whole albums worth of music like that, end to end, for days right now

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 09:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is it just me or do some of the JBs mp3s floating around in Soulseek suddenly go mute after a minute or so?

manuel (manuel), Thursday, 18 September 2003 07:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"last exit" makes me cry, very nice

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 07:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Flicking through the images for Last Exit has a similar effect for me.


nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Nick I'm sorry yr email about them has been languishing in the FT 'must reply to' pile for ages now. It's my loss judging by this thread :(

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

When is this released in the UK?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, you can all have your own copy of Birthday in a few days, it's on the next Jockey Slut Cover CD. (matt chk yr email)

nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 12:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


nick.K (nick.K), Friday, 19 September 2003 12:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A thrill to read the first print review, it ends with the line -And the newsgroups shall buzz. I'm excited cause it mentions the net, which is where the JBeez are from, but it still seems strange to read about them off-the-screen. And btw, there's been a v.positive response from France...

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 17:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Just recieved first vinyl and it's just gone on sale on-line, you can order from Boomkat. It'll be in the post first thing, but you'll have to wait till the 20th before it hits the shops.

nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 11 October 2003 08:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Just recieved the Junior Boys - Birthday / Last Exit EP in the post this morning. First time I heard it I wasn't quite sure, then it all fell into place. It certainly lives up to the write up on Boomkat -
Cementing this diversity with another spot-on bit of selection, the EP ends with an intricate, painfully structured remix from Fennesz - building the track up from a mess of frozen beats and vocals into a re-configured wall of warm guitars and effervescent distant vocals that conjure up the thought of the Cocteau Twins produced by Kevin Shields at his peak. Really, quite an unbelievable record - something really special is happening here. Unmissable.

kattie, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 08:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

teriffic - not keen on the fennesz mix myself but the origional of Last Exit is one of the tracks of the year for sure.

jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 09:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's a very good question "Why is everyone not going totally bonkers about the junior boys?" I can't think of a band more NOW. I still don't know who this Fennesz guy is?

kattie, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the thread question is kinda daft - i feel like its only directed towards the blogoshphere and other music writers - they were surely the only people to get promo copies early enough to actually hear the records at the time the question was posted and as far as i can tell they WERE all actaually going nuts about the junior boys.

jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Promos went out to all the UK press in mid/late august for all the magazines: freelancers, reviews editors and editors. If it's not something they already know about or from an acknowledged PR company it often doesn't even get listened to - it's understandable, there's alot of music out there.

nick.K (nick.K), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 19:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seriously, they just get better by the day.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This is great. Crap, I need slsk.

adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

3rd best band today after Nasty and Roll Deep! :-)

Keith McD (Keith McD), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i heard some of this on mary anne hobbs! need i say more!

prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 08:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

no way, the second album is if anything even more sublime! the chorus of 'the equalizer' ranks up there with anything on the first album.

lex pretend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 09:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

2n album much greater.

jed_, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wow, assuming this is the final tracklist and not just the promo:
In The Morning (Hot Chip Remix)
FM (Ten Snake Remix)
Like A Child (Carl Craig Remix)
Double Shadow (Kode 9 Remix)
FM (Marsen Jules Remix)

That MFA remix from the first album was never released officially, right? :/

mh, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

another vote cast for second album much better

modestmickey, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

Like A Child (Carl Craig Remix)


lex pretend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

Props for getting Ten Snake on the case!

Tim F, Friday, 2 March 2007 02:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

The Tensnake mix is the only good one. possibly the songs are just too close to me now but the Hot Chip and Carl Craig Mixes made me think they had missed the point of the songs or never understood them. the CC one gets better after a pretty awful intro but it's fairly rote. The Kode 9 mix doesn't even have Jeremy on it except for one second at the end - you could read tat one second blip of him as an insult - but it does have bleedin' spaceape moanin all over it.

jed_, Saturday, 3 March 2007 12:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually the Kode 9 one does have some jeremy buried under all the layers and it is a decent tune if not the remix i wanted.

jed_, Saturday, 3 March 2007 12:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

The "itunes session" version of "under the sun" might be my favourite thing by the boys ever. it is its own Studio remix! total disco shoegaze, even moreso than maurice fulton's ost & kjex remix. tim, get on this.

jermainetwo, Thursday, 19 July 2007 11:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

the album has been re-released with all of that itunes session and all the remixes on a bonus disc. must get!

haitch, Thursday, 19 July 2007 15:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

There are three or four live Junior Boys sessions floating around as podcasts. The latest I've heard is their sonar set at http://www.youarehear.co.uk/ although I believe KEXP's podcast had them as well.

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2007 16:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Listening to this Johnny Dark EP (: ) !) it is a total shame that he is not in the band anymore. He is really lacking on the second album IMHO.

I know, right?, Saturday, 21 July 2007 11:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

I wish it was Jeremy Greenspan, not the San Serac dude singing on Johnny Dark's new project, album soon apparently.

Under the Sun session vers. kills yes. It needs remixing into a 15 minute balearic epic though!

Alex xy, Saturday, 21 July 2007 12:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thanks for posting that link!

I know, right?, Saturday, 21 July 2007 12:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

San Serac is like an excercise in 'what if David Bowie couldn't sing'? Maybe it will grow on me.

Alex xy, Saturday, 21 July 2007 12:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

He is really lacking on the second album IMHO

oh really?

o-ess, Saturday, 21 July 2007 15:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fuck you.

I know, right?, Saturday, 21 July 2007 16:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

second album is better than the first and all the better for not having JD in the band.

jed_, Saturday, 21 July 2007 17:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

No it isn't! Its kind of obvious in comparison. The great thing about Last Exit was how it tore OMD down to just the sparest bleeps and tickles of sound. Dark's production on the songs I imagine are mainly him (such as Bellona, High Come Down and When I'm Not Around) is the way he gently fucks with the remains, rubbing up against splashes of Garage and House and Seventies AOR. They hold the songs up in a strange, wobbly fashion.

Most of what makes Junior Boys so beautiful is the way they maroon genre, they appropriate all these little elements of pop music into something really darkly personal and beautiful. Its the way they inform the songs with all these bits of radio pop music and then rub it all out until its just smudged fragments, so endlessly suggestive and delicately precarious.

Bellona is my favourite track, the 2-step helium voice and Greenspan almost duetting, him gently pleading against her android-like gibberish. Its really genuinely moving. The title track's sparseness and the way the shuddering beats echo off into the oceans of emptiness manages to even suggest the radio in the car being turned off, and the subsequent silence...

There are really strong tracks that aren't Dark affiliated, Teach Me How To Fight has some of the best lyrics on the album and the synth line bursts out from the rhythm section with the right amount of sensuously mysterious melancholy.

The second album is gorgeous, but it seems to straight ahead, too certain of itself. Too comfortable.

I know, right?, Saturday, 21 July 2007 18:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

you're insane.

o-ess, Sunday, 22 July 2007 00:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

i agree re: bellona

cutty, Sunday, 22 July 2007 00:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

You agree that I'm insane with re: bellona?

I know, right?, Sunday, 22 July 2007 00:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

no, i agree w you

cutty, Sunday, 22 July 2007 01:21 (nine years ago) Permalink


cutty, Sunday, 22 July 2007 01:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Bellona" is great but it's not 2-step, it's kind of a forerunner for the first few tracks on the second album. it's always reminded me or jurgen paape's lighter moments a bit.

Tim F, Sunday, 22 July 2007 04:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

i didn't like most of what i heard from the 2nd album at all but i'll probably buy the deluxe version for some of the remixes and that itunes under the sun thing.

babedad, Sunday, 22 July 2007 06:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

The Tensnake mix is the only good one.


jaymc, Sunday, 22 July 2007 08:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

I didn't go bonkers in 2003, but last year's followup was really, really great. Looking forward to more great electropop coming up next time around.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:12 (nine years ago) Permalink


No, sometimes I get genuinely confused when there's so many people talking, I don't know who's reacting to who. Y'know?

I know, right?, Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

no one thinks the hot chip remix is any good? really?

vadx, Sunday, 22 July 2007 15:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

any mention of this yet?

haitch, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 05:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Looks pretty good from here...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 05:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

where's dave stelfox these days?

sam500, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 05:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Wow. Was not expecting that. I love that they've used Steadycam's "In The Moog For Love" - I thought I was the only person in the world who thought that was an astonishing track.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 05:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm liking the look of this.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

in the moog for love is indeed lovely! i think i got it on your recommendation on here tim!

glad people are still playing deer in the headlights, that vocal is one of my favourite things to come from get physical. also thought that might be guitar (the electro-shoegaze band) but, no.

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Listening to it right now. It's good.

theslothproject, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 22:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

the mix is decent but it's not even close to as good as vol5 (chateau fligh) and i'm about finished listening to mixes from people who aren't actual dj's. the mixing on a few of these transitions is terrible despite being done with software.

the first mix is shit. just because the songs are going the same speed doesn't mean you should just mix it in wherever you like. first track fades out too fast, second track enters and it's only just begun, losing all flow from the previous tune. this type of annoying mixing continues throughout. if you're going to do a computer mix get someone who knows how to sequence songs to put the set together and mix it for you.

having said that, it's a decent collection. i won't be buying this like i bought the previous 4 or 5 volumes but it's been a decent way to spend an hour.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 23:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

just listening again and the transition from 2 to 3 is horrible too. from Supermayer into Chelonis..how the fuck do you trainwreck a digital mix that isn't live? too bad Get Physical is banking on the Junior Boys name selling copies instead of giving us a quality mix.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 23:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

bad news because that tracklist looks really nice

tricky, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 23:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

was the chateau flight one good? i like them but never picked up a copy.

haitch, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 23:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

the chateau flight mix is great. i've enjoyed listening to it many times. i'd recommend that mix over this one any day.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 23:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I guess I'm going to have to try harder to check these guys out. I tried them once before, and nothing came of it, but I'm smitten over the Dead Horse EP. It all started this morning when I heard my alarm clock go off and on the radio was playing "FM (Tensnake remix)". I was like "wow, what is this?"

Bimble, Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Last Exit>>>>>>>>>So this is Goodbye, Bimble. Please retry and repost.

I know, right?, Saturday, 19 January 2008 14:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

If anything the mix prompted me to buy a couple of Stereo Image tracks. Sounding somewhere between Safety Scissors and Junior Boys.

How involved was Johnny Dark in the making of Last Exit?

arghkaybee, Saturday, 19 January 2008 23:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

you know what's bonkers? this is one of, seriously, 24 threads about junior boys on ilm, lol.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:42 (two years ago) Permalink

i think they're a band, tho, where i'll probably listen to anything they do as long as they keep making records. like the sea & cake, you know. even if it's mediocre, it's a sound that i find very appealing.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:45 (two years ago) Permalink

i find it hard to defend certain musical artists who have my aesthetic number, so to speak. i will genuinely stump for last exit and so this is goodbye, tho.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:46 (two years ago) Permalink

For me the 3 most frustrating albums from the 00s onwards are:

yeah yeah yeahs - its blitz
The rapture - house of jealous lovers
Junior Boys - last exit

I love most of the compositions in those records but hate the way they are mixed. I'm not a producer so I don't know how to describe it properly but it sounds too high on the treble for a dance album. It sounds spike-y, it kind of aches my ears and it frustrates me because with a different, better production I'm sure they'd be amazing

Moka, Sunday, 21 September 2014 07:58 (two years ago) Permalink

this could be to do with what's known in the industry as "dynamic range compression", or DRC for short. basically they "compress" the dynamic range, and this basically compresses the sound. it's a real "hot topic" among music buffs, and could change the way we listen to music for years to come

cool music buff (missingNO), Sunday, 21 September 2014 11:33 (two years ago) Permalink

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.