Search & Destroy: Sun Ra

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Chin strokers of the universe unite. Search and destroy the cosmic weirdness of Mr.Ra.

Omar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: Strange Celestial Roads: cosmic jazz-funk in a Sly Stone stylee. Jazz in Silhouette: classic '50s large-band jazz, a la Mingus or Monk. Life is Splended: Live at Ann Arbor Blues & Jazz Festival 1973: one hell of a live electric freak-out (destroy the '72 and '74 albums from the same festival--they don't have anywhere near the spark of this one). Somewhere Else: uneven but featuring a glorious 12-minute "Love in Outer Space" that might be the best thing in his catalogue. Solo Piano: simple, eccentric, beautiful. The Magic City: half-hour title track lives up to its name; the rest is pretty great also. Sun Song: one hell of a repertory company. The Singles: because he really could do everything, albeit weirdly. Greatest Hits: because he really did have, um, "standards." The Great Lost Sun Ra Albums: getting funky a la Miles Davis--and not a la acid jazz (see the massively overrated Lanquidity--or don't). Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy/Art Forms of Dimensions Tomorrow: ambient music lives. When Angels Speak of Love: seat-of-the- pants improv lives.

Destroy: A Black Mass, a super-lo-fi you-are-there-with- earplugs-in document of a 1965 play by Amiri Baraka that Ra and co. improvised music to. Badly.

M. Matos, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Singles collection is probably my favourite.

nathalie, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Nothing Is', 'Heliocentric Worlds', 'Atlantis' and 'Languidity' are also great. 'Languidity' is much more Herbie Hancock circa 'Thrust', 'Headhunters' etc, than acid jazz.

I also have the tracks 'Spring and Summer Idyll' and 'Rome at Twilight' as MP3, not sure which LPs they're from, but they're both very good too.

m jemmeson, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Along with Lee "Scratch" Perry and George Clinton, one of the great innovators of black music, at least this is what most critics say... I only own "Greatest hits - easy listening for intergalactic travel" (which is, as the title implies, a "best of", even if the term "hits" sounds a bit out of place...). It's a quite pleasant listen, even excellent at times, so maybe those critics may be right for once... He was a bit weird, just like anyone who claims to be from Saturn I guess and thus I'm quite intrigued by him... I'll definitely buy something more in the near future :-)

Simone, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search:

i've got to add "Solar Myth Approach, Vols 1 & 2", "Nubians of Plutonia", and the Evidence version of "Space is the Place".

mike j, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pretty much all the good'uns have already been mentioned, but gotta give props to 'My Brother The Wind Vol II', where Ra farts abt with his newly acquired synths like a proto-Aphex Twin, and the Blast First rarities comp 'Out There a Minute', my intro to the Arkestra, which still works as a good overall samping of the man's many moods.

Destroy: never really heard a BAD Sun Ra disc, but the second vol of 'Heliocentric Worlds' is a major let-down after the first alb, which heavily features John Gilmore at his hard-blowin' best.

Andrew L, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would say everything .....ok "heliocentric worlds' "atlantis" "space is the place" " magic city" but of course I've just heard a small portion of his infinite output .lots of planets yet to be discovered....

francesco, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i second the singles compilation recommendation, a good starting point, many of his styles on one purchase, from 50's big band through to the synth stuff and much weirdness,...

jk, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

That 'Concert from the Black Forest' circa 1974 (?) with the 15- minute synth freakout, that's great. Can't remember exact CD title - it's in Hackney Library (Mare St. branch) if that helps

dave q, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

fuck hackney library. they wouldn't let me join because i'm not a resident of the borough (i'm 5 mins walk outside it)

gareth, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gareth - me neither. I also cards for Camden and Islington. What you do is, bring the card you have into a library in another borough and tell them that there's stuff you need that's only found in THEIR branch, or something. (Actually, I didn't even need to give a reason.) Just fill in a form and you get a card on the same day.

Only drawback is that having 3 library cards and living in a pigsty, I usually have about 35 CDs out at any one time, they get mixed up and I right now I have £60 in fines to pay off

dave q, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes i suffer from this problem, with camden, islington and barnet cards. and at parents house somewhere i have bradford, calderdale, leeds and kirklees cards!

gareth, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

he's about the only jazz guy i can stand in large doses. if for nothing else i would remember him for _cosmic tones_ (chamber noise whose only real contemporary is the third ear band's _alchemy_), _atlantis_ (clavinets falling down the stairs), _concert for the comet kouhoutek_ (anything dedicated to kouhoutek rules, see also yahowa 13, best track here though is "journey through the outer darkness" which sounds like a saxophone is being chewed to pieces as it's played), _strange strings_ (more unearthed ur-drone/noise/improv for eastern string instruments). honorable mention for backing up yochannon on "message to the earthman," one of the craziest thing i've ever heard. "shut the door! waaaaghhhh!!!"

your null fame, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

>he's about the only jazz guy i can stand in large doses.

Destroy: jazz recommendations from soul-less people.

matthew m., Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

In that case ;)I'll just add one S and one D.

Search: Atlantis. Title track finally fulfills fantasies I had of what Sun Ra would sound like: alien, cold, forbidding, etc. The rest of the album is pretty good too.

Destroy. Pictures of Infinity. Not really bad, but also not spectacular live album. Classic wrong entry album that makes you go "is this what all the fuss is about?"

Omar, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The album Dave Q's talking about, is that "Nuits de la Fondation Maeght" (I prob'ly spelt that wrong)? yeah & 1 of my favs that I didn't notice anyone mentioning here is "Astro Black" (early '70s, Sirone on bass)...Hey Omar "Pics of Infinity" is GOOD.

duane, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Destroy: jazz recommendations from soul-less people.

feh. i guess it would be better if i walked around blathering the names of dead black guys like i knew them personally and pretending to enjoy the endless wank. got yer soul right HERE.

your null fame, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Destroy: jazz recommendations from soul-less people.

in that case i had better not mention that i quite like Shamek Farrah

gareth, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...
Today is Sun Ra's Arrival Day. If you came from nowhere here, why can't you go somewhere there?

Additional recommendations: Monorails and Satellites, Sun Ra playing solo piano. Like many Sun Ra recordings, this took a few listens (in this case separated over a number of years) before I came to appreciate it.

Other Planes of There. I don't know why this seems to be considered less accessible than Atlantis or the Magic City, both of which are too chaotic-sounding for me (at least in their title tracks). This starts off a bit more spare than the title tracks from those albums. There are some difficult moments, but overall I like it. The recording quality on the title track is perhaps "cruder" than that on "Heliocentric Worlds vol.I:," but I find it warmer, though I can't explain how such lonely and alienated sounding music can also be warm. At times I think I hear echoes of Varese (sp?). It includes "Pleasure" which always blows my mind. The last rack, which maintains more or less a waltz rhythm throughout is probably my least favorite on the album, but it's pretty good.

Angels and Demons at Play/The Nubians of Plutonia is a pretty accessible and enjoyable CD. (Did I just say anything there? Probably not.) Fate in a Pleasant Mood/When Sun Comes Out is also good. The first album is relatively straight, while the second one gets into more "uncompromising sonic exploration" sort of territory. The rediscovered bonus track of Marshall Allen playing clarinet is a treat. It sounds like he is work on a theme very close to one that appears on one or more other tracks (elsewhere), possibly "Next Stop Mars."

Destroy? I'm reluctant to say destroy anything, since Sun Ra albums I didn't like have often grown on me. I am less keen on his live albums in general than a lot of Sun Ra fans seem to be, though I love seeing the Arkestra live.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Janus is nice too, though I wouldn't recommend it as a starting point. Island in the Sun is an airy, accessible piece. The Invisible Shield and Janus sort of run together. The beginning is pretty unrelenting, but it moves into a sound similar to "Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy," but more organic, with Art Jenkins on wordless vocals, trying to connect with his ancient African roots. There's a really nice live version of Velvet recorded some time late in the 60's. Joy is pretty challenging at times, but on a recent listen I realized that Sun Ra's piano playing was far more structured on this piece than I had realized before, so I think there's more there than what I first heard.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The rediscovered bonus track of Marshall Allen playing clarinet is a treat.

Correction: John Gilmore plays clarinet on this track.

Incidentally, Marshall Allen's Arrival Day is this Saturday (the 25th). It will be celebrated at the Tritone in Philadelphia.

DeRayMi, Thursday, 23 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: John Szwed's fantastic biography, surely one of the best musician bio's ever.

I just found out that Szwed has a Miles Davis book coming out this year. Oh happy day!

Ben Williams, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Bought a couple of Ra records a couple of months ago.

The ideal starting point is the soundtrack to the Ra movie (can't remeber name). There's a lot of varied material there and it serves as a sort of Ra comp.

I like the group improvisations and the stuff he does with his moog (big slabs of noise: a take no prisoners approach there). Will have to get more records and the biog. Swzed is a good writer.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

'space is the place' on impulse you mean?

Josh, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The CD was not on impulse (I can't check the record: it's on the other side of the atlantic!).

Julio Desouza, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

in the credits to the ra movie (remake: Queen of the Damned) is the name WILLIAM DHALGREN: this has always intrigued me

mark s, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Is that movie available on video, mark (anybody)?

''in the credits to the ra movie (remake: Queen of the Damned) is the name WILLIAM DHALGREN: this has always intrigued me''

Why?

Julio Desouza, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's "Soundtrack to the film 'Space is the Place'" on Evidence. Mostly excellent stuff.

rw, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I hate to admit it but the "Space is the Place" soundtrack is one of the only Sun Ra CDs I've ever gotten rid of. I still don't consider it a good place to start. (The Greatest Hits does a pretty good job, though it doesn't really cover the full range of Sun Ra's career, just the stuff that evidence has the rights too, though that's plenty. "Out There a Minute" is a good introduction for the more adventurous.) I'd like to get a copy again. Seeing part of the movie (played before the Arkestra's 2001 New Year's show), with June Tyson singing "Outer Spaceways Incorporated" got me interested.

DeRayMi, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The soundtrack isn't a classic but it drives home the message that the arkestra covered a lot of differen things. The arkestra was an incredible experiment and that's what i got from that CD.

THESE records shop has a rack fully devoted to Ra (one of the guys who runs it absolutely worships him). That's where i got that CD from. Google it, they run a mail order service.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
This is not my home!
This is not my home!

DeRayMi, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I've been listening to "Nuits de la Fondation Maeght, Volumes 1 & 2" recently. I got them in New York in this famous Jazz shop which is hidden halfway up an office block. The Sun Ra experts at http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry/disclist.htm describe these as "miserable sounding pirates" - but I've heard worse, including some official Sun Ra releases! I love the 1st Volume, I much prefer the version of "Shadow World" to the version on "Magic City" and I think "Cosmic Explorer" is the single greatest piece of electronic music I've ever heard from Mr. Ra - it is simply ferocious. I'm trying to imagine what it must have been like for the French audience to go along to another freaky jazz gig by another freaky Black guy from America and being confronted by this electronic hurricane - must have been astonishing. "Friendly Galaxy No. 2" on Volume 2 is one of my favourite Ra pieces, it doesn't sound like anything else he ever did - it's a kind of floating piece with lots of atmospheric flute (apparently there are 5 or 6 flautists playing), it somehow reminds me of music for a late 60s sci-fi film. Apparently, Ra wrote a unique arrangement of it for that evening's performance based on the auditorium they were playing in.

In a similar vein, I recently got "Black Myth/Out in Space" - "Out In Space" being another electronic maelstrom, this time lasting almost 38 minutes! Believe me, not a CD for the faint-hearted!

I have to confess however that I'm not a tremendous fan of his so- called "great" albums from the mid-60's: "Magic City", "Heliocentric Worlds", "Atlantis". I think these albums are remarkable but I don't find myself listening to them very often - they're more to be admired than loved. Certainly, if you're looking for jazz don't look at the "Heliocentric Worlds" albums - these are probably the least "jazz" jazz albums I've ever heard, closer in fact to Varese or even Boulez.

KCoyne, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Nuits de la Fondation Maeght, Volumes 1 & 2" I've heard a lot of good reviews of this on the Saturn mailing list.

I have to confess however that I'm not a tremendous fan of his so- called "great" albums from the mid-60's: "Magic City", "Heliocentric Worlds", "Atlantis". . . . Certainly, if you're looking for jazz don't look at the "Heliocentric Worlds" albums - these are probably the least "jazz" jazz albums I've ever heard, closer in fact to Varese or even Boulez.

I don't really like those albums either. (I have only heard one of Heliocentric volumes, but I own the other volume and the other two titles mentioned.) Have you heard "Other Planes of There"? The title track covers somewhat similar material to "Heliocentric Worlds" but is much warmer and less rigid sounding. I don't mind jazz that doesn't sound much like jazz, per se, but I share your lack of enthusiasm for these albums.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Magic City" is great, and sounds much more like jazz than Boulez to me (not that it matters).

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

julio: because dhalgren is a book by noted black SF writer samuel delany from the same era as space is the place, and it is never clear (at least i have never worked out) why it is called dhalgren

mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

This is a late late answer but here it is. Just been reading Ra's biog (space is the place) and of course, it isn't the only that isn't clear with Ra.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Just finished listening to 'Nothing is...' again and its not the 'chaotic' or anything. to these ears its a very organised piece of music. There are two brief 'free for all' moments. 'Imagination' on side 1 and midway trough to the final track on side 2.

I enjoyed 'Exotic Forest'. A constant bassline but lovely 'middle eastern' blowing (cliche alert!) and rolling percussion. And whenever sun ra plays on that piano (he sounds like a classical pianist who had burnt his hands but was still able to play) the music would change direction.

Definetely need to listen more. There's much more but i need to go to sleep.

anyway, will get some more recs soon...

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Julio, I would love to convince you to try some Arabic music, for actual middle eastern sounds. I'm telling you, "Salo Ko'os" or "Ana Fe Entezarak" performed by Oum Kalthoum are challenging pieces of music that could appeal to free jazz ears. There are plenty of others, but I think these would be most likely to appeal to your ears, of the ones I've heard. Of course, I don't really know what you have or haven't heard.

Generally when I read that something sounds "middle eastern" in a published review, I find that it either sounds only very vaguely middle eastern or it doesn't sound middle eastern at all. (For instance "Circe" from "When Sun Comes Out" doesn't sound like anything a middle eastern singer would do, though the liner notes describe it that way.)

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

deraymi- I'd love to try it some middle eastern music. I'm already interested to some flamenco after listening to derek bailey's guitar playin on 'aida' (there's so much on that album).

I'll try to track some of this stuff down (yet some more for the record pile but I need to visit the 'world music' section at tower anyway).

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

actually, i meant there's so much to lo listen to on 'aida' not 'so much flamenco', in fact there's a little bit of it (it's all incorporated into his playing).

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

He has a chapter on Flamenco on his book on improvisation (but I guess you probably own that, of course).

I don't care much for Flamenco singing, which sounds to me like degenerate Arabic singing (not that I am saying it really is, but to my Arabicized ears, it kind of sounds that way); but I do like the guitar. Where I take salsa classes, there is also a Flamenco dance class. The teacher's husband is a guitarist who plays for the class. When I first heard him playing I was amazed by how good he is. I did kind of a double take, like, wow, this guy is actually really good, not just the teacher's husband who happens to play a little guitar or something. In fact, do you know much about Flamenco guitar, because that's something I'd be interested in hearing recommendations for? (I probably should get off my butt and be daring and go to a little bar at the edge of what used to be the barrio, where this guitarist sometimes accompanies his wife, etc.)

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

god but I do have my half dozen pet topics.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, flamenco guitarists is definetely what I'm after. about flamenco singing it depends how much you've heard. if you haven't heard much then it depends what you've heard.

yeah...i've looked into flamenco guitarists but I can't remember any names (i think there was a webpage somewhere, I suppose I feel a thread coming).

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Sun Ra thread, as (sort of) requested.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

Related question: Sun Ra for beginners? What would you recommend for a novice (me) who knows the legend but has never (knowingly) heard any of the music?

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

j.lu, I still think that all in all the "Greatest Hits" that Evidence released is as good a one-CD introduction as any. It might spend a little too much time on material from the 50's for people coming to Sun Ra from an essentially non-jazz background (like me), but it does a nice job of showing the variety in his work, and giving some good examples of it. I would make different choices here and there, but overall it's good. My personal favorite Sun Ra comp. is "Out There a Minute," which draws exclusively from the 60's, and contains a lot of smaller ensmble things. It's not as generally representative as the Greatest Hits, however. Despite the rave reviews for the "Singles" collection, I would steer you away from that as an intro.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

"Jazz in Silhoutte" is a good intro. Sounds trad and experimental at the same time. Also one of his best ever.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

One of the big things you miss with the Evidence "Greatest Hits" is the Free Big Band Space Chant sub-genre of Sun Ra's works. (Examples: "Space is the Place" and to some extent "Strange Celesital Roads," though that's a bit mellower and funkier.) Also, there's no live material on there at all, as far as I can remember (but I don't particularly go for the live material).

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
This new release (first time, I gather) of old material looks promising: New Sun Ra on Atavistic Label

Ra-kist Scientist, Friday, 25 October 2002 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

New Arkestra studio album is coming from Strut:

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Release Date: October 9

The planets align this October as the mighty Sun Ra Arkestra, under the direction of the maestro Marshall Allen, release their first studio album in twenty years, ‘Swirling’.
Recorded at Rittenhouse Soundworks in Philadelphia, the new recording represents the continuation of a heartfelt rebirth of the Arkestra under Allen’s guidance since Sun Ra left the planet in 1993, gaining new generations of followers from their regular touring across the globe.
LISTEN OR BUY IN CYBERSPACE https://strut.k7store.com/sun-ra-arkestra

dow, Monday, 20 July 2020 01:41 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

^ this looks cool. they'll probably manage to release at least a few more by the time we get to 2020 in the listening thread :)

budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 21:41 (two years ago) link

Blank Forms is pleased to present When Sun Comes Out, our first benefit exhibition including works by over 40 artists, nearly all of whom are collaborators or friends of the organization. Taking its title from Sun Ra’s 1963 album, for which a rare silkscreened cover designed by Claude Dangerfield is among the works on offer, the exhibition refers back to Blank Forms’ first gala in 2017 honoring Marshall Allen and the Sun Ra Arkestra, and also looks to the future with hope for sunnier days of music, celebration, and performance.

incl. visual art from peter brötzmann, moki cherry, and yusef lateef among others:

https://blankforms.org/viewing-room/when-sun-comes-out/

budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 21:46 (two years ago) link

Haven't seen it yet but Uncut's new edition has an lp by lp of Sun Ra. Could be interesting. NOt sure how a magazine not dedicated to his discography could do that or what they'll boil down to 10 or 15 lps,

Stevolende, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:33 (two years ago) link

oooh, i love normie sun ra takes!

(i genuinely do, this is not snark!)

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:53 (two years ago) link

lol have you ever seen a photo of robert campbell ?

budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:54 (two years ago) link

anyway it seems i've misremembered what uncut magazine was — looking at the website now, yes, it seems a very unlikely publication to do such a thing. mostly they just do classic rock retrospectives and talk about oasis and paul weller, yeah ? weirder still that they've misleadingly made it seem like they're going through all the records which is just logistically impossible.

budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:58 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i've obtained my copy of the long-anticipated "egypt 1971" 5xLP box !

it rules !!!

budo jeru, Saturday, 29 August 2020 16:47 (two years ago) link

JEALOUS

sleeve, Saturday, 29 August 2020 16:49 (two years ago) link

I guess I'm gonna go to the local RSD store today after all

sleeve, Saturday, 29 August 2020 16:49 (two years ago) link

currently 2.5 hrs into an 8 hr dj set at my local for RSD

they're paying me by giving me an egypt 71 box 😎

the late great, Saturday, 29 August 2020 17:37 (two years ago) link

hell yes

sleeve, Saturday, 29 August 2020 17:43 (two years ago) link

People who know how to live!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 29 August 2020 19:04 (two years ago) link

i dunno my back is starting to hurt something fierce!!

the late great, Saturday, 29 August 2020 19:32 (two years ago) link

you should have had your manager work free beer into the deal !

budo jeru, Saturday, 29 August 2020 22:02 (two years ago) link

Lol, that Egypt box sounds so good!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 29 August 2020 22:04 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://sunrastrut.bandcamp.com/album/swirling

This should be fun

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:28 (two years ago) link

"seductive fantasy" sounds amazing

budo jeru, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:25 (two years ago) link

Found out that people are selling the 3cd Singles set for £11.50 online. That is a reduction on its initial price isn't it?

Anyway will soon have both versions of the singles.

Stevolende, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:26 (two years ago) link

Found out that people are selling the 3cd Singles set for £11.50 online. That is a reduction on its initial price isn't it?
I believe so. I noticed this on Amazon, ebay and elsewhere that it was marked down quite a bit. (Last I checked, the label itself was selling low-priced copies on discogs.) I picked up a copy from moviemars for really cheap myself. It's possible they're clearing out overstock and it's not going out-of-print, but anyone who's been thinking of getting this should do so now because even if stays in-print, it'll probably creep back up in price.

birdistheword, Monday, 14 September 2020 21:01 (two years ago) link

I was getting excited seeing all of these Egypt 71 posts on twitter and instagram, but of course it's one of those stupid fucking Record Store Day exclusives. Only $165 on discogs right now. I hate this stupid fake holiday.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 September 2020 21:23 (two years ago) link

I thought I got a set called Egypt 71 from Honest John's several years ago

Stevolende, Monday, 14 September 2020 22:27 (two years ago) link

you may be thinking of the 80's set with Salah Ragab

sleeve, Monday, 14 September 2020 22:58 (two years ago) link

THere wee 2 sets reissued by Art Yard Horizon and a 2fer of Nidhamu + Dark Myth Equation Visitation not sure if I got one or both of those.

In 1971, in Denmark, at the end of a tour, Sun Ra suddenly decided to take his whole band to Egypt. They had no concerts and no contacts there, but Ra sold some recording rights to Black Lion to pay for the tickets and they flew out. They were stopped at customs and their instruments were temporarily impounded, but they were let through as tourists. Then they booked into a hotel facing the pyramid at Giza. Word got to Hartmut Geerken, then working at the Goethe institute, and he quickly threw a concert together at his house in Heliopolis, for which Brigadier Salah Ragab borrowed army instruments for the Arkestra to play (he was later disciplined for it). Ra's Moog had made it through customs and a Tiger Organ was hired. One of the audience (of 25) booked the band in for a Cairo TV session the following day. Then Ragab persuaded the Ministry of Culture to book a concert at the Balloon Theatre (for another tiny audience: only the first 4 rows were occupied). Two more concerts followed -- at the American University (for the cab fare) and the Versailles Club. They stayed for more than a fortnight, making a film while they were there and finally, by band-members selling various personal items, raised the money to fly home. Horizon (also known as Starwatchers and Sun Ra in Egypt Vol. 2) contains a big chunk of the now legendary Balloon Theatre concert (it burned down soon after their visit, as did the hotel in which the Arkestra stayed while they were in Cairo). The Balloon extract is an uncut block (tracks 1- 4 on the CD) and features a lot of Sun Ra's all-hell-let-loose Moog soloing, as well as a great version of 'Discipline #2.' The rest of Horizon is from the Heliopolis concert, kicking off with an instrumental version of 'Enlightenment' and 'Love In Outer Space,' (neither are on the original LP) segueing slowly into 'Space Is The Place' -- followed by drum orchestra, more Ra soloing on Moog, Tiger Organ and detuned piano (bloops, hoovering, whistles, Concords taking off) leading to a first lurching, then wild, 'Discipline #8.' Two bonus tracks, for the first time restored from the original concert, follow: 'We'll Wait For You' (with June Tyson) and 'The Satellites Are Spinning' -- which ends in full-on percussion. A classic recording of a classic band in great form."

Stevolende, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 08:42 (two years ago) link

that was from the forcedexposure page, not sure where it was being quited from but its between sets of quotation marks.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 08:43 (two years ago) link

this is really hard to parse but it looks like the Egypt 71 box is coming out on CD in November?

https://sunrastrut.bandcamp.com/album/egypt-1971

sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2020 14:44 (two years ago) link

looks like maybe just the unreleased material on CD, and the three original LPs will be available as individually-reissued vinyl releases ?

budo jeru, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:15 (two years ago) link

ah that makes (a little) more sense, thanks

sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:31 (two years ago) link

however many extra box sets they got sold out in minutes, I looked 45 minutes after the email and they were gone

sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:32 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

https://sunrastrut.bandcamp.com/album/swirling

this is fabulous!

calzino, Saturday, 31 October 2020 09:33 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Does anyone know anything about this book? http://artyardrecords.co.uk/its-after-the-end-of-the-world-by-gerald-jenkins/

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 16 November 2020 04:20 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...
one month passes...

My Egypt 1971 CD set finally showed up this week, it’s great so far. Really digging the weirdo synth stuff at the end of the first disc.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 05:08 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

I didn't realize Marshall Allen still lives in the Sun Ra house in Germantown!

https://whyy.org/articles/jazz-legend-after-house-partially-collapses-gets-help-from-philanthropist-neighbors/

city worker, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 13:57 (one year ago) link

The fact that he still lives is already notable.

Punk's not daft (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 14:18 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

Unexpected Sun Ra update:

They're selling a 3CD complete album set in Edinburgh Woollen Mill for £4.99

Super-Sonic Jazz (Saturn)
Jazz by Sun Ra (Transition)
Jazz in Silhouette (Saturn)

Their James Pringle cardigans are nothing to sniff at either

.xlsm (P. Flick), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 10:00 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Visiting Paris, seeing them Sunday night!

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 6 May 2022 16:34 (nine months ago) link

Sun Ra's house now a Philadelphia historic landmark
https://www.phillyvoice.com/sun-ra-house-philadelphia-historic-landmark-designation-germantown-arkestra/

city worker, Thursday, 19 May 2022 23:15 (eight months ago) link

Marshall Allen is still incredible at nearly 100. See them if you can!

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 20 May 2022 12:43 (eight months ago) link

Saw them open for Parquet Courts in 2018 - between both acts, it was one of the best shows I've ever seen.

birdistheword, Friday, 20 May 2022 18:40 (eight months ago) link

"Sleeping Beauty" is one of the greatest compositions in any genre ever.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 May 2022 18:48 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Sun Ra's Full Lecture & Reading List From His 1971 UC Berkeley Course, "The Black Man in the Cosmos" (Open Culture) : https://t.co/IdxXCyF2MS pic.twitter.com/nDKC3XWth2

— reaktorplayer (@reaktorplayer) July 29, 2022

dow, Friday, 29 July 2022 23:17 (six months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Does anybody remember what year Sun Ra played Brixton Academy in the early to mid 80s. I thought I would find it with a simple google search but not finding a gigography that stretches back that far. Seeing listings for Academy cutting out in the late 80s.
Have been hoping i might be able to find out what he/they were playing. Should still be in a period where they were playing some really great space funk but also when he was doing gigs based in a more classic jazz style. I have some recordings from the time of the latter but do think I prefer the former.

Stevolende, Saturday, 27 August 2022 09:40 (five months ago) link

according to setlist.fm he played there on 15 June 1984.

big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 27 August 2022 10:37 (five months ago) link

this Facebook post also refers to it.

big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 27 August 2022 10:39 (five months ago) link

this ad for it suggests the set style -- GLC always there w/the funk!:

Sun Ra headlines 3 days of jazz, funk, Latin, African and more... NME, 26 May 1984. #NME #MyLifeInTheUKMusicPress #1984 pic.twitter.com/cCeiZHfjRr

— nothingelseon (@nothingelseon) December 11, 2019

He played The Venue in Victoria Street (near Victoria Station) in 1982 and again in 1983, and the Fridge (Brixton) in 1985 -- with yrs truly reviewing lol (do not read if you hate me/want to post this on worst-music-writing-of-all-time thread etc)

Live! Sun Ra! The Chills! Three Johns! NME, 23 November 1985. #NME #MyLifeInTheUKMusicPress #1985 pic.twitter.com/eGILcKEka3

— nothingelseon (@nothingelseon) July 28, 2020

(@nothingelseon is a good resource for nme and mm ads, there's another guy who does pages from sounds)

mark s, Saturday, 27 August 2022 10:42 (five months ago) link

ok thanks
Seems like it must have been a good one.

Stevolende, Saturday, 27 August 2022 18:45 (five months ago) link

@dubdobdee wuz there: in the Fridge w @SunRaUniverse : (finding chaos under the sleek hood of taste &) "They pretend to indiscipline...they work for their fun here...it's the way it has to be." https://t.co/1HOByFZe0A

— Don Allred (@0wlred) August 27, 2022

dow, Saturday, 27 August 2022 19:59 (five months ago) link

Great review Mark! That Chills review was a stinker tho

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 28 August 2022 06:28 (five months ago) link

I'm hoping that someone somewhere might have the audio of that night in June 84 cos I don't think I've seen it in the time I've been torrenting. Which is like 16 years.
Have heard some of his more classic jazz sets from the time which are pretty good and wondered to what extent a particular lineup of the band changed the sound o fa tune from 30 years or more earlier. Assuming that it was largely the same lineups playing the deep space funk and these standards etc anyway. Like if experience playing other musics put new slants on interpretation etc.
Do prefer the deep space funk but the standards and other older songs were done pretty well anyway.

I think I was still thinking that he was a pretty out free jazz player at the time so may have shaped my hearing of the set if he didn't get weirdly out. But have listened a lot more widely since. I think I enjoyed the set but probably didn't think it was quite up to like Say or the noisier parts of live at Montreux or something. So would love to get to listen back

Stevolende, Sunday, 28 August 2022 10:01 (five months ago) link


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