― Omar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Destroy: A Black Mass, a super-lo-fi you-are-there-with-
earplugs-in document of a 1965 play by Amiri Baraka that Ra and co.
improvised music to. Badly.
― M. Matos, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nathalie, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― m jemmeson, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Simone, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
i've got to add "Solar Myth Approach, Vols 1 & 2", "Nubians of
Plutonia", and the Evidence version of "Space is the Place".
― mike j, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Destroy: never really heard a BAD Sun Ra disc, but the second
vol of 'Heliocentric Worlds' is a major let-down after the first alb,
which heavily features John Gilmore at his hard-blowin' best.
― Andrew L, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― francesco, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jk, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Destroy: jazz recommendations from soul-less people.
― matthew m., Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Search: Atlantis. Title track finally fulfills fantasies I had of
what Sun Ra would sound like: alien, cold, forbidding, etc. The rest
of the album is pretty good too.
Destroy. Pictures of Infinity. Not really bad, but also not
spectacular live album. Classic wrong entry album that makes you
go "is this what all the fuss is about?"
― Omar, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― duane, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Additional recommendations: Monorails and Satellites, Sun Ra playing
solo piano. Like many Sun Ra recordings, this took a few listens (in
this case separated over a number of years) before I came to
Other Planes of There. I don't know why this seems to be considered
less accessible than Atlantis or the Magic City, both of which are too
chaotic-sounding for me (at least in their title tracks). This starts
off a bit more spare than the title tracks from those albums. There
are some difficult moments, but overall I like it. The recording
quality on the title track is perhaps "cruder" than that on
"Heliocentric Worlds vol.I:," but I find it warmer, though I can't
explain how such lonely and alienated sounding music can also be warm.
At times I think I hear echoes of Varese (sp?). It includes
"Pleasure" which always blows my mind. The last rack, which maintains
more or less a waltz rhythm throughout is probably my least favorite
on the album, but it's pretty good.
Angels and Demons at Play/The Nubians of Plutonia is a pretty
accessible and enjoyable CD. (Did I just say anything there?
Probably not.) Fate in a Pleasant Mood/When Sun Comes Out is also
good. The first album is relatively straight, while the second one
gets into more "uncompromising sonic exploration" sort of territory.
The rediscovered bonus track of Marshall Allen playing clarinet is a
treat. It sounds like he is work on a theme very close to one that
appears on one or more other tracks (elsewhere), possibly "Next Stop
Destroy? I'm reluctant to say destroy anything, since Sun Ra albums I
didn't like have often grown on me. I am less keen on his live albums
in general than a lot of Sun Ra fans seem to be, though I love seeing
the Arkestra live.
― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Correction: John Gilmore plays clarinet on this track.
Incidentally, Marshall Allen's Arrival Day is this Saturday (the
25th). It will be celebrated at the Tritone in Philadelphia.
― DeRayMi, Thursday, 23 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
I just found out that Szwed has a Miles Davis book coming out this
year. Oh happy day!
― Ben Williams, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
The ideal starting point is the soundtrack to the Ra movie (can't
remeber name). There's a lot of varied material there and it serves
as a sort of Ra comp.
I like the group improvisations and the stuff he does with his moog
(big slabs of noise: a take no prisoners approach there). Will have
to get more records and the biog. Swzed is a good writer.
― Julio Desouza, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Josh, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
''in the credits to the ra movie (remake: Queen of the Damned) is the
name WILLIAM DHALGREN: this has always intrigued me''
― rw, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― DeRayMi, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
THESE records shop has a rack fully devoted to Ra (one of the guys
who runs it absolutely worships him). That's where i got that CD
from. Google it, they run a mail order service.
― DeRayMi, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
In a similar vein, I recently got "Black Myth/Out in Space" - "Out In
Space" being another electronic maelstrom, this time lasting almost
38 minutes! Believe me, not a CD for the faint-hearted!
I have to confess however that I'm not a tremendous fan of his so-
called "great" albums from the mid-60's: "Magic City", "Heliocentric
Worlds", "Atlantis". I think these albums are remarkable but I don't
find myself listening to them very often - they're more to be admired
than loved. Certainly, if you're looking for jazz don't look at
the "Heliocentric Worlds" albums - these are probably the
least "jazz" jazz albums I've ever heard, closer in fact to Varese or
― KCoyne, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
I have to confess however that I'm not a tremendous fan of his so-
called "great" albums from the mid-60's: "Magic City", "Heliocentric
Worlds", "Atlantis". . . . Certainly, if you're looking for jazz
don't look at the "Heliocentric Worlds" albums - these are probably
the least "jazz" jazz albums I've ever heard, closer in fact to
Varese or even Boulez.
I don't really like those albums either. (I have only heard one of
Heliocentric volumes, but I own the other volume and the other two
titles mentioned.) Have you heard "Other Planes of There"? The
title track covers somewhat similar material to "Heliocentric Worlds"
but is much warmer and less rigid sounding. I don't mind jazz that
doesn't sound much like jazz, per se, but I share your lack of
enthusiasm for these albums.
― DeRayMi, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
I enjoyed 'Exotic Forest'. A constant bassline but lovely 'middle
eastern' blowing (cliche alert!) and rolling percussion. And whenever
sun ra plays on that piano (he sounds like a classical pianist who
had burnt his hands but was still able to play) the music would
Definetely need to listen more. There's much more but i need to go to
anyway, will get some more recs soon...
― Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Generally when I read that something sounds "middle eastern" in a
published review, I find that it either sounds only very vaguely
middle eastern or it doesn't sound middle eastern at all. (For
instance "Circe" from "When Sun Comes Out" doesn't sound like anything
a middle eastern singer would do, though the liner notes describe it
― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
I'll try to track some of this stuff down (yet some more for the
record pile but I need to visit the 'world music' section at tower
I don't care much for Flamenco singing, which sounds to me like
degenerate Arabic singing (not that I am saying it really is, but to
my Arabicized ears, it kind of sounds that way); but I do like the
guitar. Where I take salsa classes, there is also a Flamenco dance
class. The teacher's husband is a guitarist who plays for the
class. When I first heard him playing I was amazed by how good he
is. I did kind of a double take, like, wow, this guy is actually
really good, not just the teacher's husband who happens to play a
little guitar or something. In fact, do you know much about Flamenco
guitar, because that's something I'd be interested in hearing
recommendations for? (I probably should get off my butt and be
daring and go to a little bar at the edge of what used to be the
barrio, where this guitarist sometimes accompanies his wife,
yeah...i've looked into flamenco guitarists but I can't remember any
names (i think there was a webpage somewhere, I suppose I feel a
― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 15:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 16:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Ra-kist Scientist, Friday, 25 October 2002 23:38 (twenty years ago) link
New Arkestra studio album is coming from Strut:
Release Date: October 9
The planets align this October as the mighty Sun Ra Arkestra, under the direction of the maestro Marshall Allen, release their first studio album in twenty years, ‘Swirling’. Recorded at Rittenhouse Soundworks in Philadelphia, the new recording represents the continuation of a heartfelt rebirth of the Arkestra under Allen’s guidance since Sun Ra left the planet in 1993, gaining new generations of followers from their regular touring across the globe.LISTEN OR BUY IN CYBERSPACE https://strut.k7store.com/sun-ra-arkestra
― dow, Monday, 20 July 2020 01:41 (two years ago) link
^ this looks cool. they'll probably manage to release at least a few more by the time we get to 2020 in the listening thread :)
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 21:41 (two years ago) link
Blank Forms is pleased to present When Sun Comes Out, our first benefit exhibition including works by over 40 artists, nearly all of whom are collaborators or friends of the organization. Taking its title from Sun Ra’s 1963 album, for which a rare silkscreened cover designed by Claude Dangerfield is among the works on offer, the exhibition refers back to Blank Forms’ first gala in 2017 honoring Marshall Allen and the Sun Ra Arkestra, and also looks to the future with hope for sunnier days of music, celebration, and performance.
incl. visual art from peter brötzmann, moki cherry, and yusef lateef among others:
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 21:46 (two years ago) link
Haven't seen it yet but Uncut's new edition has an lp by lp of Sun Ra. Could be interesting. NOt sure how a magazine not dedicated to his discography could do that or what they'll boil down to 10 or 15 lps,
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:33 (two years ago) link
oooh, i love normie sun ra takes!
(i genuinely do, this is not snark!)
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:53 (two years ago) link
lol have you ever seen a photo of robert campbell ?
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:54 (two years ago) link
anyway it seems i've misremembered what uncut magazine was — looking at the website now, yes, it seems a very unlikely publication to do such a thing. mostly they just do classic rock retrospectives and talk about oasis and paul weller, yeah ? weirder still that they've misleadingly made it seem like they're going through all the records which is just logistically impossible.
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:58 (two years ago) link
i've obtained my copy of the long-anticipated "egypt 1971" 5xLP box !
it rules !!!
― budo jeru, Saturday, 29 August 2020 16:47 (two years ago) link
― sleeve, Saturday, 29 August 2020 16:49 (two years ago) link
I guess I'm gonna go to the local RSD store today after all
currently 2.5 hrs into an 8 hr dj set at my local for RSD
they're paying me by giving me an egypt 71 box 😎
― the late great, Saturday, 29 August 2020 17:37 (two years ago) link
― sleeve, Saturday, 29 August 2020 17:43 (two years ago) link
People who know how to live!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 29 August 2020 19:04 (two years ago) link
i dunno my back is starting to hurt something fierce!!
― the late great, Saturday, 29 August 2020 19:32 (two years ago) link
you should have had your manager work free beer into the deal !
― budo jeru, Saturday, 29 August 2020 22:02 (two years ago) link
Lol, that Egypt box sounds so good!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 29 August 2020 22:04 (two years ago) link
This should be fun
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:28 (two years ago) link
"seductive fantasy" sounds amazing
― budo jeru, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:25 (two years ago) link
Found out that people are selling the 3cd Singles set for £11.50 online. That is a reduction on its initial price isn't it?
Anyway will soon have both versions of the singles.
― Stevolende, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:26 (two years ago) link
Found out that people are selling the 3cd Singles set for £11.50 online. That is a reduction on its initial price isn't it?I believe so. I noticed this on Amazon, ebay and elsewhere that it was marked down quite a bit. (Last I checked, the label itself was selling low-priced copies on discogs.) I picked up a copy from moviemars for really cheap myself. It's possible they're clearing out overstock and it's not going out-of-print, but anyone who's been thinking of getting this should do so now because even if stays in-print, it'll probably creep back up in price.
― birdistheword, Monday, 14 September 2020 21:01 (two years ago) link
I was getting excited seeing all of these Egypt 71 posts on twitter and instagram, but of course it's one of those stupid fucking Record Store Day exclusives. Only $165 on discogs right now. I hate this stupid fake holiday.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 September 2020 21:23 (two years ago) link
I thought I got a set called Egypt 71 from Honest John's several years ago
― Stevolende, Monday, 14 September 2020 22:27 (two years ago) link
you may be thinking of the 80's set with Salah Ragab
― sleeve, Monday, 14 September 2020 22:58 (two years ago) link
THere wee 2 sets reissued by Art Yard Horizon and a 2fer of Nidhamu + Dark Myth Equation Visitation not sure if I got one or both of those.
In 1971, in Denmark, at the end of a tour, Sun Ra suddenly decided to take his whole band to Egypt. They had no concerts and no contacts there, but Ra sold some recording rights to Black Lion to pay for the tickets and they flew out. They were stopped at customs and their instruments were temporarily impounded, but they were let through as tourists. Then they booked into a hotel facing the pyramid at Giza. Word got to Hartmut Geerken, then working at the Goethe institute, and he quickly threw a concert together at his house in Heliopolis, for which Brigadier Salah Ragab borrowed army instruments for the Arkestra to play (he was later disciplined for it). Ra's Moog had made it through customs and a Tiger Organ was hired. One of the audience (of 25) booked the band in for a Cairo TV session the following day. Then Ragab persuaded the Ministry of Culture to book a concert at the Balloon Theatre (for another tiny audience: only the first 4 rows were occupied). Two more concerts followed -- at the American University (for the cab fare) and the Versailles Club. They stayed for more than a fortnight, making a film while they were there and finally, by band-members selling various personal items, raised the money to fly home. Horizon (also known as Starwatchers and Sun Ra in Egypt Vol. 2) contains a big chunk of the now legendary Balloon Theatre concert (it burned down soon after their visit, as did the hotel in which the Arkestra stayed while they were in Cairo). The Balloon extract is an uncut block (tracks 1- 4 on the CD) and features a lot of Sun Ra's all-hell-let-loose Moog soloing, as well as a great version of 'Discipline #2.' The rest of Horizon is from the Heliopolis concert, kicking off with an instrumental version of 'Enlightenment' and 'Love In Outer Space,' (neither are on the original LP) segueing slowly into 'Space Is The Place' -- followed by drum orchestra, more Ra soloing on Moog, Tiger Organ and detuned piano (bloops, hoovering, whistles, Concords taking off) leading to a first lurching, then wild, 'Discipline #8.' Two bonus tracks, for the first time restored from the original concert, follow: 'We'll Wait For You' (with June Tyson) and 'The Satellites Are Spinning' -- which ends in full-on percussion. A classic recording of a classic band in great form."
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 08:42 (two years ago) link
that was from the forcedexposure page, not sure where it was being quited from but its between sets of quotation marks.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 08:43 (two years ago) link
this is really hard to parse but it looks like the Egypt 71 box is coming out on CD in November?
― sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2020 14:44 (two years ago) link
looks like maybe just the unreleased material on CD, and the three original LPs will be available as individually-reissued vinyl releases ?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:15 (two years ago) link
ah that makes (a little) more sense, thanks
― sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:31 (two years ago) link
however many extra box sets they got sold out in minutes, I looked 45 minutes after the email and they were gone
― sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:32 (two years ago) link
this is fabulous!
― calzino, Saturday, 31 October 2020 09:33 (two years ago) link
Does anyone know anything about this book? http://artyardrecords.co.uk/its-after-the-end-of-the-world-by-gerald-jenkins/
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 16 November 2020 04:20 (two years ago) link
sweet new single with 2 unreleased tracks
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:18 (two years ago) link
My Egypt 1971 CD set finally showed up this week, it’s great so far. Really digging the weirdo synth stuff at the end of the first disc.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 05:08 (one year ago) link
I didn't realize Marshall Allen still lives in the Sun Ra house in Germantown!
― city worker, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 13:57 (one year ago) link
The fact that he still lives is already notable.
― Punk's not daft (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 14:18 (one year ago) link
Unexpected Sun Ra update:
They're selling a 3CD complete album set in Edinburgh Woollen Mill for £4.99
Super-Sonic Jazz (Saturn)Jazz by Sun Ra (Transition)Jazz in Silhouette (Saturn)
Their James Pringle cardigans are nothing to sniff at either
― .xlsm (P. Flick), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 10:00 (one year ago) link
Visiting Paris, seeing them Sunday night!
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 6 May 2022 16:34 (nine months ago) link
Sun Ra's house now a Philadelphia historic landmarkhttps://www.phillyvoice.com/sun-ra-house-philadelphia-historic-landmark-designation-germantown-arkestra/
― city worker, Thursday, 19 May 2022 23:15 (eight months ago) link
Marshall Allen is still incredible at nearly 100. See them if you can!
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 20 May 2022 12:43 (eight months ago) link
Saw them open for Parquet Courts in 2018 - between both acts, it was one of the best shows I've ever seen.
― birdistheword, Friday, 20 May 2022 18:40 (eight months ago) link
"Sleeping Beauty" is one of the greatest compositions in any genre ever.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 May 2022 18:48 (eight months ago) link
Sun Ra's Full Lecture & Reading List From His 1971 UC Berkeley Course, "The Black Man in the Cosmos" (Open Culture) : https://t.co/IdxXCyF2MS pic.twitter.com/nDKC3XWth2— reaktorplayer (@reaktorplayer) July 29, 2022
― dow, Friday, 29 July 2022 23:17 (six months ago) link
Does anybody remember what year Sun Ra played Brixton Academy in the early to mid 80s. I thought I would find it with a simple google search but not finding a gigography that stretches back that far. Seeing listings for Academy cutting out in the late 80s. Have been hoping i might be able to find out what he/they were playing. Should still be in a period where they were playing some really great space funk but also when he was doing gigs based in a more classic jazz style. I have some recordings from the time of the latter but do think I prefer the former.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 August 2022 09:40 (five months ago) link
according to setlist.fm he played there on 15 June 1984.
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 27 August 2022 10:37 (five months ago) link
this Facebook post also refers to it.
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 27 August 2022 10:39 (five months ago) link
this ad for it suggests the set style -- GLC always there w/the funk!:
Sun Ra headlines 3 days of jazz, funk, Latin, African and more... NME, 26 May 1984. #NME #MyLifeInTheUKMusicPress #1984 pic.twitter.com/cCeiZHfjRr— nothingelseon (@nothingelseon) December 11, 2019
He played The Venue in Victoria Street (near Victoria Station) in 1982 and again in 1983, and the Fridge (Brixton) in 1985 -- with yrs truly reviewing lol (do not read if you hate me/want to post this on worst-music-writing-of-all-time thread etc)
Live! Sun Ra! The Chills! Three Johns! NME, 23 November 1985. #NME #MyLifeInTheUKMusicPress #1985 pic.twitter.com/eGILcKEka3— nothingelseon (@nothingelseon) July 28, 2020
(@nothingelseon is a good resource for nme and mm ads, there's another guy who does pages from sounds)
― mark s, Saturday, 27 August 2022 10:42 (five months ago) link
ok thanksSeems like it must have been a good one.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 August 2022 18:45 (five months ago) link
@dubdobdee wuz there: in the Fridge w @SunRaUniverse : (finding chaos under the sleek hood of taste &) "They pretend to indiscipline...they work for their fun here...it's the way it has to be." https://t.co/1HOByFZe0A— Don Allred (@0wlred) August 27, 2022
― dow, Saturday, 27 August 2022 19:59 (five months ago) link
Great review Mark! That Chills review was a stinker tho
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 28 August 2022 06:28 (five months ago) link
I'm hoping that someone somewhere might have the audio of that night in June 84 cos I don't think I've seen it in the time I've been torrenting. Which is like 16 years. Have heard some of his more classic jazz sets from the time which are pretty good and wondered to what extent a particular lineup of the band changed the sound o fa tune from 30 years or more earlier. Assuming that it was largely the same lineups playing the deep space funk and these standards etc anyway. Like if experience playing other musics put new slants on interpretation etc.Do prefer the deep space funk but the standards and other older songs were done pretty well anyway.
I think I was still thinking that he was a pretty out free jazz player at the time so may have shaped my hearing of the set if he didn't get weirdly out. But have listened a lot more widely since. I think I enjoyed the set but probably didn't think it was quite up to like Say or the noisier parts of live at Montreux or something. So would love to get to listen back
― Stevolende, Sunday, 28 August 2022 10:01 (five months ago) link