Current 93 - Crush, Kill, Destroy?

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So, Mssr. Tibet and companions...examinations of the hidden history of the British psyche or pretentious goth twaddle? Which discs should be savored and which should be used as clay skeets?

(I already have "I Have A Special Plan For This World," but I have a feeling its not a very good example of his/their "normal" style.)

Jess, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Both of course!! Search: Crowleymass!!, Falling, Thunder Perfect Mind. I've also enjoyed what I've heard off of All The Pretty Little Horses and Earth Covers Earth. Destroy: Imperium, Gothic Love Song. I haven't listened to Dogs Blood Rising in a while but my gut feeling is that it's best to stay away from it.

James Annett, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"thunder perfect mind" "some blazing star.." "island" "all the pretty litle horses" "not goth just a cute dropout for next decades collectors .also "lucifer over london" ep is good .

francesco, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Love Nurse With Wound, but could never get to grips w/ Tibet's weedy, precious 'singing' voice.

Andrew L, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Oh no no no, _Dogs Blood Rising_ is a perfect way to scare the living fuck out of your neighbors, and yourself, at 3 am.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

oh god. i'm guessing most people have normal friends who have never heard of these buffoons, much less inflict their music upon them and talk about the band incessantly. total total dud, mainly for tibet's voice, which andrew describes well.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

generally I find their music unbearable, though 'This Ain't the Summer of Love' and bits of 'Thunder Perfect Mind' are OK. I used to share with a guy who was obsessed with them, so I've heard about 30 of their albums - if you've never heard them you're not missing much.

Jonathan, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

they're pretty much a love/hate band, as you might've guessed by now. i personally love them, but there is a certain amount of pretense involved (it's just a bit tougher to swallow for a lot of people than, say, the 'authority sux0r'/teen-angsty pretense of, say, GYBE! and associated bands, probably due to the religious/mystical overtones). tibet's voice is a major sticking point for a lot of people, who prefer the more mellifluous (and frequently dull) death in june. if one wanted to delve further, there are a couple of career-spanning compendiums available. i wouldn't recommend buying "soft black stars"/"a gothic love song" (both piano/voice dominated) first, in any case.

your null fame, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I love their songs from the "Portable Altamount" comp, which translates into their sound on the "Earth Covers Earth" album.

Elspeth McKee, Saturday, 18 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Pitchfork: "TPM most important album of the last 10 years" shockah!!!!!

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
i'm on a current 93 kicks right now and reading the allmusic entry it says david tibet designed the artwork for the Absinthe liqour company. has anyone seen these or have a link to the artwork?

fffnnnsss, Saturday, 5 November 2005 18:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nature Unveiled - now that's a good 'un. Deeeeeeply satanic and quite silly.

moley, Sunday, 6 November 2005 03:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Bump up to give suggestions from the other thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't think Emblems is still in print but it is a good overview of the first decade, spanning a wide variety of styles. There's another newer comp, let me look...

Nope, I was getting it mixed up with some of those new live discs.

Well, Thunder Perfect Mind is pretty classic and it is in print in a new edition with extra disc on Jnana.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 3 April 2006 20:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

calling for vanished faces is the later comp, isn't it?

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Monday, 3 April 2006 20:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Emblems" and "Calling for..." are out of print.

If you can't find them there is also the recent compilation "Judas as a Black Moth" 2cd, albeit there is nothing there from the esoteric noise albums from their first decade, it's a good introduction to second decade apocalictic gnostic folk c93.

for a detailed discography:

francesco brunetti, Monday, 3 April 2006 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

His piece for the Horse Hospital exhibition is sublime.

I'll agree with other though that his voice is a major sticking point.

S- (sgh), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

deddy deddy deddy deddy deddy deddy YOU'RE DEAD!!!

great voice, great band

badg (badg), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The best is "Sleep Has His House" by a mile.

twoheadedboy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I do like that one a lot.

I must briefly use this thread to rant about the dreaded "World Serpent disc rot" which has ruined my copy of "Live At Bar Maldoror", at least the first two tracks. YOU FUCKERS! YOUR VINYL SUCKED AND SO DID YOUR CDs! HOW DARE YOU RUIN GOOD MUSIC! sigh...

OK, I feel better now. Anyway, buyer beware for older WS releases.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

New album coming out soon feat Anthony, Marc Almond and a few other guests.

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
So anyone heard the new lp? It got a meh review on stylus which was actually featured on Tibet's website...

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Saturday, 3 June 2006 08:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

by the way... anyone seen the World Serpent/South Park slide show yet?

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 3 June 2006 09:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"come before Christ and murder Kenny" = HAHAHAHA

Haven't heard the new album, honestly having seven different versions of the same trad song doesn't appeal to me. Maybe they're short.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 3 June 2006 14:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Current 93 - Black Ships Ate The Shy

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 3 June 2006 14:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

kinda makes me think of Neil Tennant making a freak folk album...

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 3 June 2006 14:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Did a three hour special with Tibet on the radio worth hearing just for the fact alone I got him to sing a Rush song over the air:

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Saturday, 3 June 2006 18:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
OK, so I got the new one and after hearing it once I remembered that I wasn't really interested in hearing this kind of stuff anymore. Not bad per se, but I think he's exhausted the genre. The tones, the instrumentation are a bit too familiar by now. The tracks that work best are the dron-ish, loop-ish stuff.

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Thursday, 29 June 2006 14:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I think this is a revival. Yay.

Black Ships is not your "play it in the car" album. As for the person who got bad vibes from what s/he'd heard from Dogs Blood Rising, it's *supposed* to give bad vibes. It's Tibet in his "evil" period, and probably the best album from that one.

Personally, I think the B-side of Looney Runes, Lucifer Over London, and the Inmost Light series are quite excellent.

Now, destroy... Crooked Crosses for the Nodding God is a tad weak. Not bad, but not half the caliber of, say, All the Pretty Little Horses, or Nature Unveiled.

Oh, and Hitler as Kalki is untouchable.

And the title track is not a Nazi anthem! It's an *anti*-Hitler song! Tibet's father fought in WWII, for heaven's sake! Why do people not get that?

J.H. Malerman (xada_hgla), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hitler as Kalki is untouchable.

absolutely. probably second only to as the world disappears among their live albums.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
The live albums rarely disappoint, although it is purely subjective whether the studio or live version of "Sleep Has His House" is better.

J.H. Malerman (xada_hgla), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
So anyway, David Tibet and crew, yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 February 2007 22:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also the voice - so great

Rebel.yell.For.Internet.cakes (nordicskilla), Saturday, 3 February 2007 22:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So undeniably fantastic.

I meandered into Current 93 records via NWW, and I've reached the point where I certainly enjoy Current 93 more, although Stapleton still out-weirds Tibet, which is saying something.

I expect that the release of "Stapletone" will swing me in the other direction. Some time in 2055.

John Justen goes to work like an architect (johnjusten), Saturday, 3 February 2007 23:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Classic and important in their own recondite way.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Saturday, 3 February 2007 23:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really enjoyed that track on the split with Om.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 3 February 2007 23:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed that Jess started this thread, but anyway, classic of course.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Sunday, 4 February 2007 01:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've already said Classic, but I wanted to note that I also have enjoyed their split with Om recently.

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 4 February 2007 03:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really enjoyed that track on the split with Om.

yeah! me too, but alot of other people seemed to hate it.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 4 February 2007 03:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how could they hate on the massive distorted bagpipes? for shame.

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also: when the hell is the "England's Hidden Reverse" book gonna be repressed? $200 on eBay just won't do.

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Amazon sez: New Ed edition (8 Mar 2007)

I was just looking at this yesterday, thinking I should read it again.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

playing atp vs the fans

FACEBRACE (FACEBRACE), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Amazon sez: New Ed edition (8 Mar 2007)

How handy! I'll pick it up while I'm over there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That OM collab is pretty fantastic.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Just got the Inmost Light trilogy reissue and it's fantastic. I knew some of the pieces from the "Calling for Vanished Faces" comp, but it's a stunning listen from start to end. This is some of the darkest material of their folk era. The background drones and ghostly chants are really unsettling.

The 1st and 3rd parts are 20 minute long but each one gets its own CD to preserve the listening order. Me lieks this.

no-nonsense, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I need to get that. But the new reissue of Of Ruine Or Some Blazing Starre is first in the queue for me. Sometimes I think it's the essential C93 album.

Jon Lewis, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes, that one is by far my fave. Great great album.

Inmost Light 1 and 3 always left me pretty indifferent. Maybe I should give them a new spin.

baaderonixx, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

try the first one when you're in a meditative mood. I really really like that one a lot.

sleeve, Friday, 8 June 2007 16:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure when I get the Inmost Light reissue I'll seldom listen to chapters 1 and 3. I'm just excited to have All The Pretty... possibly sounding even better than it did. The remaster of Thunder Perfect Mind had luscious sound, so I expect goodness.

Jon Lewis, Friday, 8 June 2007 16:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah don't they insist on the promoters flying all the current band members in individually from wherever they live?

this is perfectly standard practice, every promoter in the world has to do this where band members live in different cities/countries

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 17 January 2014 22:56 (four years ago) Permalink

there are like 20 of C93 though & they all live in different countries

beef in the new era (wins), Friday, 17 January 2014 22:59 (four years ago) Permalink

except tibet lives in the same town as james blackshaw iirc. shirley collins too!

tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Friday, 17 January 2014 23:20 (four years ago) Permalink

you can prove anything with facts

beef in the new era (wins), Friday, 17 January 2014 23:24 (four years ago) Permalink

def remember tibet saying he didn't like touring because he didn't like to be away from his cats for too long

Which for me would probably be the sole endearing aspect of Mr. Tibet.

doug watson, Saturday, 18 January 2014 00:01 (four years ago) Permalink

this is perfectly standard practice, every promoter in the world has to do this where band members live in different cities/countries

only if the band has enough draw to cover the costs. it isn't really standard practice for promoters to buy plane tickets. promoters make offers to artists through booking agents who relay the offer to the artist and offer their opinion on a) whether it's a good offer and b) whether they feel like the promoter will offer more to cover travel costs. if an artist had four sidemen flying from four different countries to NY and all those costs needed to be covered in addition to a guarantee he'd need to be able to fill a pretty big room for it to be worth the promoter's while.

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 18 January 2014 04:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Just seems kind of depressing that not a single booker in New York can put together a Current 93 show that won't lost money? Hopefully a museum or foundation will step up and make it happen.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I saw them play at a synagogue in NYC in the late 90s... It's got to be possible to do something similar again. Place was packed.

barranca jagger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:35 (four years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

England's Hidden Reverse is finally being re-published, for the benefit of those who believe that David Keenan "refuses" to put it out in paperback:

goth colouring book (anagram), Friday, 20 June 2014 14:47 (four years ago) Permalink

lol, thanks for the heads up, about fucking time

polyamanita (sleeve), Friday, 20 June 2014 15:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Someone who loves me please buy me that for my birthday, kthx.

shameless pureyors of slop-on-plate (Jon Lewis), Friday, 20 June 2014 19:36 (four years ago) Permalink

it's really good except for when Keenan tells us which records he thinks are the best ones

(I finally read a pdf, but will buy this for sure)

polyamanita (sleeve), Friday, 20 June 2014 19:40 (four years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

England's Hidden Reverse: A Secret History of the Esoteric Underground
Nov 20, 2014
by David Keenan
Currently unavailable

parakeetal pancreasface (sleeve), Thursday, 5 February 2015 17:27 (three years ago) Permalink

sell all you have, give it to the kittens

ciderpress, Thursday, 5 February 2015 17:45 (three years ago) Permalink

PDF all you have, email it to the kittens

a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 February 2015 17:53 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

So, EHR may finally be reappearing:

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Monday, 27 July 2015 13:42 (three years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

I just got a note from a courier that Mark Pilkington has sent me a package - can't think what it would be if not the hardback of the reprint.

suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Wednesday, 24 February 2016 13:11 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

tt has been getting me into this lot

it's incredible music. lucifer over london stopped my life for 8 minutes

imago, Monday, 1 August 2016 21:15 (two years ago) Permalink

Most important new obsession of my entire 30s, in hindsight

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Monday, 1 August 2016 22:54 (two years ago) Permalink

That's interesting, for me too. In my 20s I dipped into the waters a couple of times but didn't get much out of it but the whole Coil-NWW-DIJ-C93 axis fully clicked with me in my mid-30s.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 21:27 (two years ago) Permalink

partial to the Rotting Christ cover

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 02:49 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm in my 30s now and I've never really connected with that branch though I've always been deeply into related stuff. My time might be soon...

circa1916, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 03:16 (two years ago) Permalink

The Rotting Christ cover skips the 'sick of 666' part, of course.

no-nonsense, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 06:52 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Avoid the recent vinyl reissue of Thunder Perfect Mind, it sounds fucking terrible.

I thought it might just because I needed a new needle, but I've bought one, and it still sounds like shit.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:54 (two months ago) Permalink

^ this was the purple vinyl one, apparently they've repressed it again in black and that one is meant to be an improvement

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:07 (two months ago) Permalink

Got the black one, sounds good to my ears

Mule, Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:04 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

long after tt's raptures i've come to Of Ruine... at last

it is Vision and Light

imago, Sunday, 5 August 2018 19:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Might still be my favorite c93 album

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:29 (one month ago) Permalink

it's perfect

and i can't think of a better-sequenced album, it just keeps twisting indirect routes to new and more intense heights, culminating in 'dormition and dominion' which is the high-point of all music

the sound-art elements are incorporated SO well into the folk, it's such an incredible synthesis. everything feels right

imago, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:00 (one month ago) Permalink

I love it, but it's hard for me to pick a favorite Current 93 album - Thunder Perfect Mind, Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre, The Inmost Light Trilogy (The Long Shadow Falls EP / All the Pretty Horses LP / The Starres Are Marching Sadly Home EP), Faust, and Sleep Has His House are all great I think

Dan S, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink

you've got me wanting to go back to this one in particular again!

Dan S, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:04 (one month ago) Permalink

TPM is great but it's an album even I would describe as maybe slightly overlong (although its longest tracks are its best)

OROSBS is...perfect, as I say

imago, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:06 (one month ago) Permalink

black ships ate the sky is my favorite one lyrically still. probably favorite overall tbh

ciderpress, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:30 (one month ago) Permalink

that's pretty great too

Dan S, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I love the sound of Michael Cashmore's guitar

Dan S, Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:57 (one month ago) Permalink

the whole baroque renaissance faire thing

Dan S, Monday, 6 August 2018 00:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah « Of Ruine... » clearly his best. Always felt it was somewhat overlooked in C93 circles (where TPM is generally considered the undisputed classic)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 6 August 2018 09:00 (one month ago) Permalink

I’m probably most partial to Sleep Has His House and some of the EP’s (Special Plan, Lucifer Over London). I’ve never really given the live albums much time tho, is it worth diving in?

Siegbran, Monday, 6 August 2018 09:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Keenan goes on and on in England's Hidden Reverse abt how Ruine is the peak, fwiw

In Menstrual Night is still my favorite, I think, I prefer the longer abstract pieces. love Where The Long Shadow Falls as well.

sleeve, Monday, 6 August 2018 13:53 (one month ago) Permalink

All the Pretty Little Horses is my favorite, but Of Ruine and TPM are tied for second. I do agree that Black Ships is really good and underrated.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 6 August 2018 13:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Xpost Halo is a very very good live album from the period just before Black Ships.

Honeysuckle Aeons is my favorite of the newer ones.

Otm about the EPs. The singles comp could vie for beat C93 purchase.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 August 2018 14:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Beat = best

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 August 2018 14:40 (one month ago) Permalink

The new album with Zu is a bit of a letdown, as a fan of both.

Siegbran, Monday, 6 August 2018 16:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Haven’t heard that yet

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 August 2018 16:58 (one month ago) Permalink

I liked it well enough, but it wasn’t strong as either band’s previous release, nor was there enough wild sax in there.

tangenttangent, Monday, 6 August 2018 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

Steven and I in the Field of Stars and Dormition and Dominion are my very favourites of Of Ruine.

Definitely going to try and see them in London this October. We saw Tibet as Hypnopazuzu, but feel C93 proper will be a treat.

tangenttangent, Monday, 6 August 2018 17:15 (one month ago) Permalink

only listened to the Zu93 album once so far, but really enjoyed it

Dan S, Monday, 6 August 2018 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I really really really want to see them live at some damn point.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 August 2018 18:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Saw them in stockholm in april. Amazing.

Mule, Monday, 6 August 2018 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Liking this new single (although it'll surely sound better on a cold winter evening)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 August 2018 14:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

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