Ticketmaster To Auction Concert Tickets To Highest Bidder Instead Of The Normal retail

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According to a report on Channel 4 Teletext Ticketmaster are planning to auction off tickets to concerts to teh highest bidder instead of the normal retail. Ticketmaster Managing director said "$40 tickets are being sold at prices upto $1000 on Ebay, So thats obviously how much a ticket is worth so thats what we will sell it at. Us and the artist should be getting the profits not ticket touts. This is the best way to beat touts"
A ticketmaster spokesman has confirmed that the company are looking into the possibility of doing this with select high profile acts In the US and quite probably Europe.

So if you want to see the Stones, Dave Matthews Band, White Stripes, U2, Strokes,Metallica, Limp Bizkit or any act that sells out venues, then i hope you are very rich as ordinary people wont be able to afford it.
Lets hope a public outcry stops this nonsense before it starts.

Jeanne Marie, Friday, 5 September 2003 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I just paid $30 frickin dollars for two Black Keys tix from ticketmaster. I love the "bend-over and we'll fuck your ass" fee's they tack on.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, great, so now only the front two rows of concerts will be filled (by Superfans) but everybody will still make their money.
What a horrible world.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Horace Mann, the Anti-Louis Armstrong.

By the way, this blows bumpernuts. Seriously; this is the kinda shit that makes me want to stop playing in venues altogether, just buy a generator and throw concerts out in the fucking wilderness.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

like a kegger?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm pissed off that this stops my burgeoning career in Ebay touting dead in its tracks.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Does this make scalping legal???

peepee (peepee), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

does this make Ticketmeister its own scalper?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Doesn't this seem similar to that whole Cubs ticket thing?

E (ebb), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

It depends where the tickets are being sold at. In the states they have anti-scalping measures on Ebay to keep tickets reasonable. Though this only applies to states that have enforced anti-scalping...

Carr Rickson, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

but really, what could be more American than scalping?
it's pure capitalism.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Just a follow up to get around the anti scalping measures in the states they would need to jack the ticket prices up for those "select" seats....

Carr Rickson, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Meanwhile, the String Cheese Incident dudes are taking up Pearl Jam's cause and suing Ticketmaster for the usual shit.

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Capitalism at its finest, but thats another subject for another day....

Carr Rickson, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Phoned up for tickets for 2 gigs the other day. The message i got was that it was Ticketmaster. £3 booking fee. When i phoned another line for tix for a different band it was Clearchannel. I hung up.
Wish booking fees were made illegal.

Fark, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Ticketmaster in screwing you again shockah!

If the tickets sell at $500, will they still feel the need to add $15 in fees? .. or will they impose "auction fee - $13.95" in addition to delivery, convenience & internet charges.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

how is this going to work with things like Glastonbury??

stevem (blueski), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Can't bands just refuse to have anything to do with Ticketmaster?
Whats the problem with Clearchannel btw?

Damon, Friday, 5 September 2003 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

A lot of venues do their ticketing mostly or purely through Ticketmaster because they don't have the ability to have a ticket box office and no day-of-show policy for admissions.

You can refuse to have nothing to do with Ticketmaster, but you'll be pushed down into the "800 capacity and below" venue bracket a lot of the time.

Xii (Xii), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link

No, this is great! It will be a total failure! Nobody's gonna bid Ticketmaster $500 for tickets to whatever! The prices will be driven way down! And Ticketmaster will lose a whole buttload of money! Seriously, how could this ever work? Nobody buys concert tickets anymore because they're ridiculously, stratospherically expensive. So if the market - consumers - actually has some control over these prices, where could they go but down?

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

" this is the kinda shit that makes me want to stop playing in venues altogether, just buy a generator and
throw concerts out in the fucking wilderness.

-- nickalicious (nza2342...), September 5th, 2003. (later)"

you should-this has been happening a lot in ireland recently,more with dance events than gigs,but both have worked well,and it is always much more fun for so many reasons...

robin (robin), Friday, 5 September 2003 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Is this news story even for real?? I find it hard to believe they would go to such a pricing scheme, how would it even work? Would you have to bid well in advance of the event or something? Yes all the added fees they tack on are offensive, but if the face value itself goes into the stratosphere because now it's all open to bid..?? Forget it, it's just nuts.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 5 September 2003 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm so fed up with Ticketmaster's crapola. (And I don't go to many 'big shows,' so it's not something I think about much, but I've bumped up against it lately.) Besides Pearl Jam and String Cheese Incident, why aren't more artists (like the Don Henley RIAA-fightin' crowd) up in arms? How can artists in general enjoy seeing their fans gouged? (Besides the fact that said artists enjoy the cash that rolls in, of course.)

I wanted to see Bob Dylan last time he came through town, but tix were like 80 dollars.

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 5 September 2003 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

This could kill off gig going completely at the stadium level. You wont get 80,000 punters paying $500 for tickets.

Sally, Friday, 5 September 2003 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

So thats obviously how much a ticket is worth so thats what we will sell it at
So will every ticket be sold by auction? it might work if there is no reserve price, that way if the tickets don't sell out you could get in for free.

Slump Man (Slump Man), Friday, 5 September 2003 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I go to about 3 or 4 shows a month. Luckily (for me, not the bands), most of the bands I'm into don't warrant advanced ticket purchases through Ticketmaster (and if I think it'll sell out, there's usually a few cool stores that sell them directly). A couple of months ago I freaked when hearing that the Stooges were playing in Michigan, and was the first in line Saturday at 10am for tix. At 10:00:20, I had my tickets and they were row PP!!!!!!!!!!! (I did suffer from a great deal of sticker shock, as well)
A month or so later, at the show, I found out that many people buying tickets at the door got seats halfway between me and the stage!?!?!

A friend of mine is a booking agent for many great bands, and he has tried to sell tickets for his clients events for some time now on his website, but with diminishing success, leading him to recently discontinue the practice (check out www.billions.com).

I'm not sure that capitalism at its finest is scalping. But at its worst, it's probably monopoly and "preditory business".

peepee (peepee), Saturday, 6 September 2003 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

This will end up killing music. What do/will the actual artists say/be able to do about it?
I can't see even the super rich in the public will go for this.
It could mean instead of 1 cd a year people we will now get 1 stadium gig a year people.

Roger Ramjet, Saturday, 6 September 2003 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Who gets all the profits? Ticketmaster? The bands? They share?
Can bands go elsewhere or is it a monopoly?
Who are Ticketmaster owned by anyway?

Roger Ramjet, Saturday, 6 September 2003 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Greedy Bastards. I doubt any actual bands will allow this though. Theres no one that greedy.

Karen McLeod, Saturday, 6 September 2003 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link


this, literally is the most sick making thing that i can ever remember
seeing in terms of wanton outright capitalism and hatred for the punter. and to think i thought formatting was a shocker. fckng hell.

i mean seriously, somebody call eddie vedder quick.

piscesboy, Saturday, 6 September 2003 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link

So were you all just as outraged by scalpers before this was announced?

The best seats for the most-wanted shows already go for $$$$. The only difference is that now the artists and venues (who get most of the cash; TM just gets a small percentage) will get that money, instead of the scalpers.

The Man, Saturday, 6 September 2003 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Thank god for the underground.

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 6 September 2003 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, as an artist who's just come back from a US tour almost empty-handed, I like this idea. People complaining about $15 tickets in the US are spoiled. In Japan the same show would be $30.

If there's demand for tickets at higher prices I see no reason why they shouldn't be sold at higher prices, and I like the idea of artists benefitting instead of just touts.

This is especially interesting to underground artists with limited, niche markets. I discovered with the 'Stars Forever' project that although there aren't many Momus fans out there, those who do exist are highly motivated and willing to spend up to $1000 on the right Momus product. So it would make a lot of sense for me, and artists like me, to move to something resembling the business plan of the fine art market, with its attractive combination of free access (because you can consume art free in galleries) and high prices for 'collectors' (those who want ownership or special services like customisation).

The free / expensive formula could work in music with free mp3 giveaways on the one hand and more expensive live performances (even private ones) on the other.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't mind it being done for a small number of seats at high-profile, high-demand events. As people have said, they end up going for silly money from touts anyway.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

That means only the privileged rich will get the best seats. Music is universal, that means it should be for ALL.
Perhaps if this comes in the government should subsidise pop/rock music in the way it does with opera & classical to keep the prices down. At government level its the opposite of Mojo etc , rock music is looked down upon as inferior to the classics.

Arthur Scargill, Saturday, 6 September 2003 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I like this only if there's no minimum. So let's say on the day of the show it's half full I basically can go see it for free. I'm down with that shit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 September 2003 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Let the people decide how little money this show is worth!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 September 2003 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

The only people at the gigs will be music executives and freeloading journalists who get in for free.
Now imagine that was scrapped and journalists were made to pay in. Then there would be uproar!

Arthur Scargill, Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm curious what Momus product is worth the $1000.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't make him post the naked picture again.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

His infamous plastercast?

Arthur Scargill, Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

It's going to require bands who are 100X punk to fight this.

Or, logic.

David Allen, Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link

every day it seems the world goes more and more beyond satire

robin (robin), Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I wonder which artist has the RICHEST fans?

Sam J. (samjeff), Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Barbra Streisand.
Or whoever has been playing private parties for the Sultan Of Brunei over the years?

Trabant, Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Guys, think of this as a way for you to feel less guilty about downloading all those free mp3s. What the artist loses on the swings he can now reclaim on the roundabout.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 7 September 2003 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link

So, has anyone seen a source for this, aside from this text-TV entry? I would've thought this was something that you'd see blown up all over the internet.

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Sunday, 7 September 2003 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Dayumm, thanks. I was hoping this wasn't for real, not that I live in a country where ticketmaster is for real, but if that's successful, I suppose it'll spread.
Mehhh!
Good thing I don't want to see Bruce Springsteen.

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Sunday, 7 September 2003 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Soon they will own all the medium - bigger sized venues in the UK and we will all be fucked.

Arthur Scargill, Sunday, 7 September 2003 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I just paid $30 frickin dollars for two Black Keys tix from ticketmaster. I love the "bend-over and we'll fuck your ass" fee's they tack on.

How much did they get you for?? The tix for the show in Northamton sez $10.

brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 7 September 2003 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Ticketmaster doesn't own any venues. It just sells tickets. If you don't want to pay Ticketmaster, you can usually buy direct from the box office.

hello, Sunday, 7 September 2003 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Im sure it wont be long until Ticketmaster buy over venues and clearchannel own most commercial radio stations. They could sanitise the likes of Xfm even more than Capital did.

Raymondo, Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

why would ticketmaster want more venues? the overheads would be astronomical for a start

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

more any

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe so in the states but wouldnt be that hard in the UK. Why? because then if they own the venues they have a monopoly, those who oppose the high ticket prices wont have any other venues to play.

Raymondo, Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

And what if then they launch a chemical or biological attack? Then where we be? We must act now. Our children and our children's children are counting on us.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:41 (sixteen years ago) link

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Helen Lovejoy, Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

no under 21s please

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Ticketmaster and Clear Channel are already frighteningly integrated -- people have alleged that Clear Channel has threatened to not play on its radio stations songs by artists that try to not play Clear Channel-controlled venues.

Mind you, the real target of these auctions are probably ticket brokers (i.e., scalper agencies), which buy up tickets for hot shows and resell them at a profit. I am curious to see how high people will bid for high-profile shows like Springsteen or Dylan.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 8 September 2003 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Now that I think about it, this could work. If they auctioned every other row and sold at face value the rows in between. Then the access to the good seats is split evenly between suckers who will pay a shitload of money and suckers who will camp overnight by the ticket outlet.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Tickermaster in Capitalist Policy Shocker

It's been a long time since I've taken an economics class, but if this really happens, won't the market ultimately stabilize the prices around something reasonable that people can afford? If only rich people went to concerts, and there were tens of thousands of millionaires in ever city who really want to see Good Charlotte but can’t bear to wait in line, then this would be a big problem. But there are only a small number of people willing to pay $1,000 for a ticket (and yes, they will get the best seats, but the best product tends to cost the most in capitalism). I thought free market tended to bring down prices over time, not raise them.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link

No. Because they are only doing the auctions for the small percentage of seats and shows that people are willing to pay big bucks for.

The Man, Monday, 8 September 2003 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Its wrong

The Anti man, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

All music should be free! If you don't like it, start a drum circle.

Maaan, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Hawkwind sold out when they started charginG!!

Duuuuude, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:08 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I have a question - I have some electronic tickets from Ticketmaster that were emailed to me. BUT I can't make the show so I am Ebaying them. they have my name on them, but is it all kosher if I email them on and someone else uses them? I don't like this e-ticket business.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link

do the people have to trade them in for real tickets at a box-office? or does it have a barcode or something on it that they scan to verify the legitimacy (ie: does it say you have to present an ID anywhere)? I would be very wary of buying etickets from anyone but maybe other people are more trusting/foolish.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link

barcode.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link

doesn't say anything about ID.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link

then it's kosher enough I suppose.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link

because they're "a gift." A gift to the highest bidder.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

http://www.uspirg.org/action/stop-the-ticketmaster-merger?id4=es
^^it's already filled out for you, just fill in your name to the right

SWIPE:
Ticketmaster is the king of fees. A handling fee, a processing fee, a just-cause-we-can fee. Frequently, these fees make up more than 30 percent of the overall price of the ticket.

And it could get worse. Ticketmaster wants to merge with Live Nation, its leading competitor, meaning that most of the tickets we could buy would be coming from the new mega-ticket conglomerate. And from past experience we know that the less competition, the worse these guys get with their handling, processing and other nonsense fees.

We can stop this ticket monopoly from forming: Send an e-mail to Assistant Attorney General Christine Varney.

Assistant Attorney General Varney is the Department of Justice official tasked with upholding anti-trust laws, and they are reviewing the merger right now. A trust is exactly what could form if Live Nation and Ticketmaster are allowed to merge.

Ticketmaster, along with its subsidiaries, contracts with roughly 200 artists. Live Nation owns or has exclusive deals with 139 venues, and manages about 150 artists. Live Nation is Ticketmaster's biggest competitor in the ticket selling business.

The new mega-ticket monopoly would be the gatekeeper to most major venues and artists, meaning that they would dominate most aspects of live concerts.

The fees are already extreme. For example, in a report by the Washington Post, Ticketmaster added $16.60 in fees -- $4.10 for "processing," $3.50 for "facilities," and a $9 "convenience charge" -- to a $56 dollar ticket, about 30 percent.

We need to stand up to their price-gouging now. Join me, and call on Assistant Attorney General Varney to stop the merger:

http://www.uspirg.org/action/stop-the-ticketmaster-merger?id4=es

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 09:16 (nine years ago) link

It's too late baby, now its too late. The Justice Department modified the merger terms but allowed it.

http://futureofmusic.org/blog/2010/01/25/look-live-nationticketmaster-merger

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:13 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

'A public relations nightmare': Ticketmaster recruits pros for secret scalper program
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/a-public-relations-nightmare-ticketmaster-recruits-pros-for-secret-scalper-program-1.4828535

Box-office giant Ticketmaster is recruiting professional scalpers who cheat its own system to expand its resale business and squeeze more money out of fans, a CBC News/Toronto Star investigation reveals.

In July, the news outlets sent a pair of reporters undercover to Ticket Summit 2018, a ticketing and live entertainment convention at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.

Posing as scalpers and equipped with hidden cameras, the journalists were pitched on Ticketmaster's professional reseller program.

Company representatives told them Ticketmaster's resale division turns a blind eye to scalpers who use ticket-buying bots and fake identities to snatch up tickets and then resell them on the site for inflated prices. Those pricey resale tickets include extra fees for Ticketmaster.

"I have brokers that have literally a couple of hundred accounts," one sales representative said. "It's not something that we look at or report."

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:36 (one year ago) link

I'm shocked, *shocked* I tell you...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:47 (one year ago) link

not surprised at all. the number of shows in the past year I've seen 'sell out' where the actual interest was negligible, only to see the aftermarket flooded with more expensive seats, I can't even count. Midnight Oil springs to mind.

akm, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:48 (one year ago) link

4 david byrne shows at huge venues in the bay area sold out immediately. the one I attended was probably 75% full.

akm, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:48 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

wanted to purchase The Beths tix for April, but the venue's ticket seller, dicefm, which i've never heard of doesn't have an "https" security designation at checkout. seems like a risk i don't wanna take. really don't wanna go through a second seller and pay double. anyone ever use dicefm, by any chance and vouch for them?

one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:54 (two weeks ago) link


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