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Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:27 (seventeen years ago) link

That I have started a Stranded article every week and throwing it in the bin by wednesday. It always sounds/reads better in my head, not on a comp screen. Otherwise: great!

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

All the text is overlapping and unreadable for me.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Email Todd please, Melissa, and let him know what browser you're in and stuff so it can be altered. There's a link in the 'contact' section.

And thanks!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link

To me it looks pretty good.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Good work on getting Dave Q on board!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Coming soon - Dave Q's review of Frank Black's new album. I personally can't fucking wait.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Q is on Stylus now?!

Michael B, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

He is indeed.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 08:27 (seventeen years ago) link

it looks smart, however in time i would like to see a database of links by reviewer.

I also didn't realize how young [Todd Burns] the chief is !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, he makes me look like a codger.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I will link to it later today, it looks very nice.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 09:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, you're a beautiful man.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh hope it's not too backhanded.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I have writer's block Nick :(

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

This is gorgeous. Old Stylus was ugly. Good work Todd! (And Kenan?)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay Stylus, yay Todd, yay our alcoholic UK editor.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Haven't had a chance to read anything yet, but it looks very very swanky indeed and nicely laid out. One minor quibble, though, is that the brown-on-brown text on the front page is a bit difficult to read.

I also have writer's block. I'm having trouble getting a moment to knock my Richard X thoughts into any sort of coherant form, but with any luck it should be more or less sorted by this afternoon.

The very thought of Dave Q writing for Stylus fills me with joy.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:25 (seventeen years ago) link

If I commit to this here, publicly, then I might actually get round to writing it: would you, Nick, like an article on accents in the songs of B&S and the Scottish doppelganger?

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the Richard X album three times as much after writing about it.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

DJ Martian, we intend to have reviews searchable by author at some point in the future.

Cozen, I would love that (plus anythign else you want to do).

Tom, it's not back-handed at all (I don't know what you look like!).

Dave Q's had one article published with us, ahs another in the works (ie; waiting for me to edit and format it), and a review coming soon.

Dom, write me more stuff, you're brilliant.

Swygart, same for you.

Matt DC, I await your Richard X review with baited breath and sweaty palms.

DR C, I'm ready any time you are.

Credit for the new look is mainly due to Kenan, Todd, and the man from Moveable Type whom we love with all our hearts (and who's been sat up till all hours with Todd reloading stuff into new matrices and tables and stuff for the last week).

It's looking fucking splendid, and will be even better when I email Todd a picture of me looking windswept on Dartmoor.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

**DR C, I'm ready any time you are**

Sorry Nick, something WILL come your way soon. I have had v.little time.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

No worries.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

'Talented maverick'? You just made my day, thank you Tom. (Or is that a backhanded compliment? ;)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

No it was a full frontal one.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay, Stylus! It looks great. A much better design. The site focusing more on features has been a great move, too -- it's better than that other place the past few months.

Burns/Nick: Tell Gavin to write as much as possible!

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The front page is further PFork raiding (and poorly coded/laid out at that), but I love the new review layout.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

though the content will prob be far superior.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

who made that beautiful cover art for the mix CDs in Sam's blog entry?

ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

is the writing as bad as it used to be? *ducks*

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

its the internet gabbo. you get what you pay for ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

for $45 a month, i expect a lot!

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

we got rid of that harvell guy, so it should be fine now. ;)

todd burns (toddburns), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

(Tom - I already have reviews up on Stylus too. Though as much as I love Todd I'm not sure I like these edits. :P)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Richer than Pitchfork. But not as nice as Vice!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

You might like my Morgenstern article with made-up quotes Momus - seeing as you're all about the fiction nowadays.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Did Ott compliment Stylus?!?

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

half and half.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe he forgot to take his medecine.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think his disease could be cured by any medicine.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, when you don't really post to the message board and only come here once or twice and post snarky stuff then you've got to get the mental health services involved.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

he's out there...watching...waiting...

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

watching...waiting...
masturbating?

it rhymed. cut me a break.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Congrats Todd and the whole stylus crew! Looks nice!

I am using IE 5 and the album reviews on the left do not have enough space between artist, title, etc. I will IM Todd about when I get back from work.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

My favorite thing about the site is the graphic first-letter on each article. That is really classy.

Nice job, Todd.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

how is that four-line drop cap going to work the next time Southall submits a one-sentence review? ; )

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Each word gets its own line break from now on.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure I like the spacing between paragraphs (a break too long?).

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes!! This is brilliant, I can finally read Stylus without my browser crashing. And it looks good, too.

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

nick, are there any other stylus writers besides you and i (and i suppose scott) who write for stylus and post/lurk at ilm ... BUT WERENT DISCOVERED VIA ILM?!

samuel, Friday, 5 September 2003 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah thats deceptive though. the center around music crit in generalist mags rotates remains indie, and marginally popular performer w/in that milieu are way way way more likely to get coverage than marginally popular but equally compelling artists in r&b/hiphop/metal/country/dance

not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 23:27 (ten years ago) link

Hmm. I'll buy that.

Alex in Montreal, Saturday, 16 January 2010 23:29 (ten years ago) link

center around which

not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Sunday, 17 January 2010 01:12 (ten years ago) link

I wonder, does "mainstream rock" - say, Nickleback, The Fray, etc. - have a critical centre either? The successful stuff gets reviewed much like Beyonce or Rihanna get reviewed, but yeah it occurs to me that in order to have a substantial discourse that would, say, produce either prominent genre specialists or (similarly) promote coverage of the less successful stuff, you need to have some strong sense of being a community apart from the mainstream - which country, rap, indie, dance music and metal all have, regardless of their actual level of success, which might be enough to qualify them as mainstream-in-fact.

This goes back to my point above, that the first, founding conceptual operation of music crit is to establish a sense of distance from "just" mainstream music consumption - which is different from saying that music crit is always defensive - much specialist music crit is or appears to be entirely oblivious to the existence of the mainstream.

But at any rate I agree that the conflation of R&B with "the mainstream" may be part of why it falls between these stools as such.

Although I do think gender is a big issue here. As I've said before I suspect no music is more regularly and casually critically maligned than "women's music" of the non-indie/non-R&B variety.

Tim F, Sunday, 17 January 2010 03:29 (ten years ago) link

Obv R&B does have genre-specialist critics, but not in the numbers you'd expect proportionate to its commercial success or even - on a tracks basis at least - performance in polls like this.

Tim F, Sunday, 17 January 2010 03:39 (ten years ago) link

If I can be snarky for a second, I would note that I don't like the way these threads seem to devolve into referendums about one person's taste, esp. recently - Joe The Plumber tactics IMO.

The issues raised in this thread are (or can be) much more interesting than whether one person is right or wrong in their appreciation of X.

Tim F, Sunday, 17 January 2010 03:50 (ten years ago) link

At this point I think we should probably consider the market forces that drive production of crit, which are not record sales or radio play, but magazine sales, website hits, and advertising spend. Who reads, and who is influenced by, music crit, who isn't, in terms of genre audiences, and why?

brain thoughts (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 17 January 2010 07:45 (ten years ago) link

I dunno, I feel like this is one profession that's more defined by who steps up to perform it than what the audience or industry asks for. Indie-loving English majors are in far greater supply in the field of music writing than they could ever possibly in demand for.

That's very true, I guess, but if people didn't also want to read it then P4K would get no hits and no money, likewise magazines (the ones that haven't already folded, anyway). Obv moneys not the only driving factor in mags and websites existing, some will always be run for free, but it's nevertheless a factor.

brain thoughts (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 17 January 2010 08:01 (ten years ago) link

Well, all sorts of websites and publications cover all sorts of music and get lots of hits/readers, it just happens that the ones that are more critic-driven and wordcount-heavy are indie or indie-leaning generalist types. And I have a strong hunch that whatever desire exists out there to read critical analysis of non-indie music, no matter how small, is probably pretty underserved.

As I've said before I suspect no music is more regularly and casually critically maligned than "women's music" of the non-indie/non-R&B variety.

yeah, i think you said this w/r/t female singer-songwriters before, which rings v true - the reason i never really read much music crit when growing up is because it was mostly very snarky/dismissive of the artists i listened to as a teenager (tori amos, fiona apple, ani difranco et al). oddly enough apple became a lot more accepted (circa extraordinary machine) once she started hanging out w/indie-auteur faves like paul thomas anderson, developed that whole me-vs-the-record-label narrative which wasn't even true etc etc.

tori amos's weirdo electronic albums at the end of the 90s are still two of the most critically underappreciated ones i own - been revisiting them a lot this week and the scale, ambition and execution are still extraordinary, yet pretty much no one cares about them any more.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 17 January 2010 11:30 (ten years ago) link

As I've said before I suspect no music is more regularly and casually critically maligned than "women's music" of the non-indie/non-R&B

I don't read enough crit these days to say for sure, but my impression is that this isn't true of women's country music...assuming that by "women's music" you mean music made by women. If you're talking about music made for women then I don't know what this means so I can't say.

Euler, Sunday, 17 January 2010 11:37 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Hey, I really miss this website - it was kind of like "Pitchfork, but good"

Is there any hint that they might come back up?
Or is there another website out there like it?

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:27 (nine years ago) link

Nope. The archives remain, and lots of us have found homes elsewhere. Thanks for the kind words.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:42 (nine years ago) link

so are there other sites like it?
I dunno, I liked the features like "Playing God", "On Second Look", etc. - kinda showed you guys thinking about music the same way obsessives like myself do.

frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:47 (nine years ago) link

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/

mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:48 (nine years ago) link

Playing God was fucking awesome, and I definitely have a number of playlists that adopted some of those tracklists.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 18 August 2011 14:14 (nine years ago) link

Thequietus is the best thing since Stylus.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 18 August 2011 14:22 (nine years ago) link

^^^mad trolling

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 18 August 2011 14:35 (nine years ago) link

TQ has good interviews but their taste is so boring that I really can't read anything else.

frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2011 14:41 (nine years ago) link

I only contributed to Stylus three times, but Todd Burns was one of the best editors I ever dealt with--one of the few who didn't, in the parlance of Sweet Smell of Success, expect you to jump through burning hoops like a trained poodle.

clemenza, Thursday, 18 August 2011 14:46 (nine years ago) link

wait - is like every ILMer a former writer for this website?

frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2011 15:04 (nine years ago) link

Nearly.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 August 2011 15:05 (nine years ago) link

I don't contribute to this site very much, but I only ended up here because Stylus folded. I loved that site, and posted to it a lot. Some of the most intelligent, and impassioned, engagements with reviews/writing I have found. Of course, a whole lot of horseshit, grandstanding, and just plain mean-spiritedness/petty trolling as well, but OVERALL a very admirable effort to let the masses in on the experience. This site is probably the closest to it, from a feel perspective (and all the alumni of course).

grandavis, Thursday, 18 August 2011 15:49 (nine years ago) link

frogbs: there was a lot of stylus/freakytrigger/ilx crossover; a lot of the same people now right for singles jukebox

I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 August 2011 16:06 (nine years ago) link

No trolling here! I dig Thequietus interviews, op eds and occasional reviews. Frankly I should use it more to check out what they're touting as they clearly come from the same post-punk roots as I do.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 18 August 2011 16:44 (nine years ago) link

i wasn't a "writer" per se... but, when Stylus closed, i was the first regular commenter they thanked in one of their goodbye pieces ^____^

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:24 (nine years ago) link

The Quietus is awesome btw

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:24 (nine years ago) link

Uggh, I got mentioned in that Stylus goodbye as well. Both OK with that and totally embarrassed at the same time. Some real unfortunate posts by me in some of those pieces, but those were rougher times. Still sorry about some of them though.

grandavis, Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:47 (nine years ago) link

likewise for me, i'm sure. but then it's not like i don't make unfortunate posts on ilx nowadays, so who cares

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

man, I didn't you two were commenters.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

"zarklephaser" - i've said this before!

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:02 (nine years ago) link

same as my Last.fm username the last 6 years or however long

http://www.last.fm/user/zarklephaser

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:02 (nine years ago) link

Well, it pains me to admit it, but we’ve had plenty of favorite commenters on the site. Zarklephaser, Grand Banks, Florenz6, meatbreak, raskolnikov, et al.: we salute you!

WTF I WAS CALLED OUT AS A FAVORITE STYLUS COMMENTER??!?!!!

(totally unexpected, thanks to whomever suggested that!)

― stephen, Monday, October 29, 2007 10:49 AM (3 years ago)

Hahaha, that was all Todd's doing, singling you and the others out. I don't think anything has had as much sustained, impassioned, profane and repeated discussion in our virtual office over the years as the comments boxes. God bless our readers. And hello, Zarklephaser.

― Scik Mouthy, Monday, October 29, 2007 10:51 AM (3 years ago)

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:04 (nine years ago) link

Ah, Alfred, one of my regretable moments was on a piece of yours. Sorry about that, I actually liked almost everything you wrote, but for some reason your Boredoms piece, and the subsequent comments, caught me on the wrong day.

grandavis, Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:27 (nine years ago) link

This news is heartbreaking. :(

― three handclaps, Friday, October 26, 2007 9:50 PM

markers, Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:32 (nine years ago) link

nuts that it's almost been four years since it closed . . .

markers, Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:37 (nine years ago) link

i kind of wish Stylus had polls.

― Wrinklepaws

buzza, Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:47 (nine years ago) link

hahaha

markers, Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:47 (nine years ago) link

Uggh, I got mentioned in that Stylus goodbye as well. Both OK with that and totally embarrassed at the same time.

Hey at least you got mentioned!

Aziz Ansari & III (jaymc), Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:55 (nine years ago) link

writing for this magazine was the second half of my adolescence and the reason i've gotten any work anywhere so yeah <3. the ideal writers' mag: polyvocal, always up for stuff, and unsustainable.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:23 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I am happy I got mentioned, I am imagining that I got noticed mostly for being a good poster, but sure wish I could take back some of my comments. Great site though, thoroughly miss it.

grandavis, Saturday, 20 August 2011 22:01 (nine years ago) link

ha, i just found a stylus 'stycast' podcast on an old drive - an interview that todd did with me for stylus in 2005!

geeta, Saturday, 20 August 2011 22:07 (nine years ago) link

The Stycasts were great. There was a very amusing one about 60s/70s stars trying to transition to the 80s.

Gukbe, Saturday, 20 August 2011 22:15 (nine years ago) link

four years pass...

lmao @ inconceivably atrocious, bully is a stone cold classic imo

Stylus Magazine said the song was "undoubtley" Fatboy Slim's "finest moment to date", noting "the ten-minute house anthem “Song for Shelter”, whose redemptive power was so awesome that it almost saved Larry Clark’s inconceivably atrocious film Bully simply by gracing the last scene."[1]

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 02:16 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

what's up with the Stylus website lately? their album reviews don't seem to be accessible anymore (and even the Archives link yields a 404 error) although their features and movie reviews are still online...

hippie lady from california who loves that god (unregistered), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 16:33 (four years ago) link

awww so glad you care

The site's slowly crumbling. I've been transferring reviews to my blog.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 16:42 (four years ago) link

I've done the same thing with my reviews.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 23:43 (four years ago) link

i still occasionally start typing in stylusmagazine into the search bar, from muscle memory, whenever i'm wandering the internet looking for something new

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 23:57 (four years ago) link

cuz we still rule

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2016 00:26 (four years ago) link


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