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roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

search: "godstar"

i meant to put that on the 1001 songs thread

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

See also this thread.

Al Andalous, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i hate godstar
search the one that says unclean on the front

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

search force the hand, dreams less sweet and mouth of the night. destroy the rest. unclean is good too.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link

The bootleg (live concert) called Unclean was also pretty good, at least back when I was listening to this stuff. It was my friend's copy and I never taped it, unfortunately. It has a completely different version of Godstar. "And all the drugs destroyed your mind!"

Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

those who do not was no bad.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Dreams Less Sweet is a good 'un. There's also the single, Roman P. And a host of other things from around the same time. Also Force The Hand of Chance.

I also remember a good live performance LP from a German live series, backed with a terrific metal percussion performance by Z'ev. That's worth getting, anyone remember what it was called?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 28 August 2003 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Colin is OTM. You cannot go wrong with The Orchids and White Nights. I used to have a copy of this on cassette that I listened to quite a bit around 1996. I always have wanted to know what would happen if GPO just completely sold out and started to make pop records.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 28 August 2003 03:42 (sixteen years ago) link

He always had this ability to knock out a catchy melody and lyric didn't he? Maybe Godstar was his biggest attempt. I think there's a limit to the degree which a man like Gen P can sell out. He's too naturally strange to appeal to everyone.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 28 August 2003 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Greatest Hits is a good starting point.

tigerclawskank, Friday, 29 August 2003 08:53 (sixteen years ago) link

i like "godstar." i especially like that musically it undermines its ostensible purpose (i.e., a song that celebrates Brian Jones ends by stealing a Keith Richards guitar riff!)

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 08:57 (sixteen years ago) link

colin is correct re genesis p orridge's strangeness being a limitation on how much he could "sell out." i mean, force the hand of chance and allegory and self (the one on which "godstar") appears are as close to pop as psychic tv got (and both albums demonstrated that genesis et al could write catchy pop when they felt like it), but there's too much strangeness on both to have too much widespread commercial appeal.

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:06 (sixteen years ago) link

'Just Like Arcadia' is all I need.

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Dreams Less Sweet--New York Scum Haters--Those Who Do Not/Live In Reyjavik are my picks.

The record with PTV and Z'ev was "Berlin Atonal". Will it ever be re-released?

Stephen Boyle (SBoyle), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Cheers Stephen! Berlin Atonal was a series of releases featuring various live performances I think. It had a great track on it, 'Skinhead Moonstomp'. The lyrics, if I recall them correctly, were:

Oi you!
Oi you skinhead!
Kick an 'ead kick an 'ead kick an 'ead skinhead!!!

Oi you!
Oi you skinhead!
Chicken head chicken head chicken head skinhead!!!

Which is of course pure genius.

PTV were really firing around this time. Anyone join their religious cult? They were into T-shirts as iconic religious fetish objects.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 29 August 2003 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I corresponded with TOPY, but I didn't join. I always thought it was "kick it in skinhead." There's a version on Live in Rejkjavik (sp?) that's kind of funny and even a little funky. Also I like "Breakthrough" on that album, except that it quickly goes into a boringly noisey Velvetsesque jam.

Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Friday, 29 August 2003 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

In "Godstar," the lines "Where were you when the stars went out?/Where were you when they started to shout?" remind me vaguely of Blake's "Tyger! Tyger!": "When the stars through down their spears/And watered heaven with their tears. . ." (quoting everything from memory, so don't expect 100% accuracy).

Oh no, I'm thinking about Psychic TV again.

Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Excuse me, but I believe it's "Kick it in, kick it in, skinhead skinhead skinhead." And the trailoff down an octave on the ultimate "skinhead" is utterly key

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe then my post should be on one of the misheard lyrics threads.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Sunday, 31 August 2003 07:21 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

I saw Psychic TV last night. I mainly just went out of admiration for Genesis P. because I'd said if h/she ever came here, no matter what the circumstances I'd have to go. Aside from one album (Towards The Infinite Beat) I've never been impressed with Psychic TV on a musical level, and the new album didn't do a whole lot to change that (well to be fair, I just found most of it far too depressing). So I expected to get bored after about three songs and go home. Instead they were absolutely fantastic, and even though I was dead tired after a time and new I had to go to work in the morning, I just could not bring myself to leave until I knew they had finished. Musically everything was right on as well. They even did a cover of Velvet Underground's Foggy Notion. S/he also did plenty of ranting about the Bush administration which I appreciated because *I'm* usually the one to go uncomfortably overboard with that. S/he said he wanted to stick a fist up their nether regions. I loved it.

Bimble, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

yah they rock live right now

chaki, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:54 (twelve years ago) link

There isn't a live album yet of this incarnation is there?

Bimble, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think so. maybe theres one being sold on the tour?

chaki, Friday, 24 August 2007 00:33 (twelve years ago) link

hearing this news makes me happy

go GPO!

sleeve, Friday, 24 August 2007 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, I'm finding out that the most remarkable thing this year is not the Throbbing Gristle album or the Psychic TV album but this other album called Thee Majesty's "Vitruvian Pan" (good heavens, *three* albums this year for Gen! S/he is on a roll!)

Thee Majesty have a myspace page, but for some reason I'm unable to link to it here.

Bimble, Friday, 24 August 2007 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

they canceled their appearance in Atlanta, I was gonna go :(

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 24 August 2007 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

So sad! :(

I wonder if Von Sudenfed will tour. In my opinion, that would just about make up for it if I was in your shoes and missed Psychic TV. The DJ actually played Von Sudenfed before the gig. It was great.

Bimble, Friday, 24 August 2007 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

What would be the best way to sell a bunch of Psychic TV vinyl (including some pretty rare material)? I am afraid I will hardly get anything for it at a used record store, but I dread dealing with ebay and boxing it up and mailing it off and worrying about it getting damaged, or worrying that someone might claim it's been damaged when it hasn't, etc.

Also, any thoughts on whether this is this a good moment to be selling rare PTV vinyl? (Like, what do you think the market for it is like these days?)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 25 August 2007 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

I think that I would pay you good money for NY Scum Haters or Mouth Of The Night (or a few other things). I don't think the market is at quite the feverish level it was in the pre-filesharing days. Seriously, price it out at some reasonable level and post it here. Other people have done the same and it beats eBay.

sleeve, Saturday, 25 August 2007 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, I don't have Mouth of the Night, but I remember seeing that used all over the place (of course, I mean around 15 years ago).

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 26 August 2007 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

(Don't have New York Scum Haters either, though I have the original CD reissue FWIW.)

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 26 August 2007 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

sleeve is OTM

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 August 2007 13:29 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't know Mouth of the Night was rare... I'm rich! Woohoo! Hear that, boss? You can take my job and shove it! *high fives self*

StanM, Sunday, 26 August 2007 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

Some controversy around their Phoenix gig.

joost666, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:17 (twelve years ago) link

Rockist: Ebay is your best bet. Describe it well, pack it in firm LP mailers (boxes are sometimes requested but usually are a waste of time/postage), and you should be fine. I've sold tons of stuff and only ever had one LP damaged in-transit (buyer claimed against postoffice).

Seriously, the 'returns' will be better there.

Mark G, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:56 (twelve years ago) link

Some controversy around their Phoenix gig.

Last time I heard, you still have a dick, asshole (GPO, that is.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

uh? what makes him an asshole in this instance>?

chaki, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 17:29 (twelve years ago) link

I too, will defend Genesis. Does anyone else here appreciate the song from the new Psychic TV album called "Lies And Then"? That is the only song I really particularly like off that album. It's a beautiful burst of pure alternating pop/punk vitriol, in my opinion.

That is an interesting article, joost. Thanks for posting it.

Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

what is much more interesting to ME than the issue of where GPO can pee or not is that it appears from the above picture that he's taking his fashion tips from paul wall:

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I was surprised when I saw her/him on stage that she/he actually had those same gold teeth as in that picture. Or at least s/he was determined to keep fake ones!

Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

Does anyone know something about the ideology behind the thransgender esthetics of Genesis.

joost666, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:19 (twelve years ago) link

Well I've always heard that the whole point is to surgically make Gen & Lady Jaye the same person. I haven't been able to find much "ideology" about it beyond that, but I'll dig out my magazine again from a couple of years ago and see if I can find anything I missed. I don't believe that Gen has taken hormones, which is why I believe people in-the-know might hesitate to directly call him/her transgendered. Although it's obvious that socially, s/he must bear the brunt of anything a transgendered person would.

All I can find on the Gen website is a paragraph or two on hermaphrodites, which is really another subject entirely than either transgendered people or whatever Gen is.

Bimble, Saturday, 1 September 2007 09:36 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, if you go to here and wait until part two of the video interview, s/he talks about the ideology in more depth.

Bimble, Saturday, 1 September 2007 11:25 (twelve years ago) link


joost666, Saturday, 1 September 2007 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Genesis P. Orridge for president. Please.

Thee Majesty's "Time's Up" is the creme de la creme.

Bimble, Sunday, 16 September 2007 04:20 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Lady Jaye died suddenly on Tuesday 9th October 2007 at home in Brooklyn, New York from a previously undiagnosed heart condition which is thought to have been connected with her long-term battle with stomach cancer. Lady Jaye collapsed and died in the arms of her heartbroken "other half" Genesis Breyer P-Orridge.

am0n, Friday, 12 October 2007 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

or was this posted already?

am0n, Friday, 12 October 2007 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

Um. That's terrible news. :(

novaheat, Saturday, 13 October 2007 00:32 (twelve years ago) link

THis is the story...I'm sorry Lady Jaye has gone...she wuz one of the rollink stones...and we say sad...fronting in the face of the idiots who say no. goodbye. scenes of goodbye. LJ peace out there

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 13 October 2007 00:38 (twelve years ago) link









Noodle Vague, Saturday, 13 October 2007 00:44 (twelve years ago) link

what the fuck. how sad.

sleeve, Saturday, 13 October 2007 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, Jesus. Oh god. I feel for Gen so much. Ouch. Holy hell. I just don't want to know.

Bimble, Saturday, 13 October 2007 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

poor gen.

Display Name, Saturday, 13 October 2007 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

A Caresse is just a touch,
and you touched my
heart, and now that
we're together
you and I will never part.

stirmonster, Sunday, 14 October 2007 05:52 (twelve years ago) link

oh no, this is really awful news. for real.

Eisbaer, Sunday, 14 October 2007 05:59 (twelve years ago) link

doing a tribute show now...

sleeve, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Hookah Chalice is making my entire day right now.

peacocks, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 18:03 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

From the Village Voice:

Artist Provocateur Genesis Breyer P-Orridge Lives By the Last Exit To Brooklyn

NYCNative, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:07 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

This is awesome

Anyone know if they're still touring?

Mule, Monday, 13 February 2012 20:07 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

"Whatever you are is a mirror of what we are."

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 01:50 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

For those who care:

Angry Love Productions is proud to present Psychic TV's 1983 classic "Dreams Less Sweet," back on vinyl for the first time in over 20 years! This is a limited-edition run of 1,000 copies total. The first 320 copies will be on red vinyl available UK as a special WEB ONLY Angry Love Edition featuring a bonus CD of extra material, a limited edition badge and a 12 page, 8" square booklet featuring liner notes by Genesis Breyer P-Orridge as well as ephemera and photos of the recording sessions from the Porridge With Everything archives. The remainder of the copies will be available on the web and in stores as a black vinyl edition with no extras. The album is being distributed in the U.S. through Revolver.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:06 (seven years ago) link

YES! Been waiting for this. "The Orchids" might be my favourite song, at least sometimes.

Mule, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:13 (seven years ago) link

shame they didn't add the 12" that came with the original release. "catalan" from that features one of the best uses of the chapman stick bass ever recorded. maybe they stuck it on the bonus cd?

stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:56 (seven years ago) link

they did, along with the superb "The Full Pack" and other stuff, CD-R though...

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:03 (seven years ago) link

limited to 320 copies, fuck you Angry Love Productions

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:04 (seven years ago) link

"The Orchids" might be my favourite song, at least sometimes.


"Catalan" features Jordi Vals right?

Influential Acid Jazz Pioneer (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:06 (seven years ago) link

Jordi Vals is one of my favorite peripheral Psychic TV figures -- he made an entire LP out of two attack dog samples he recorded for "The Full Pack"

Influential Acid Jazz Pioneer (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:08 (seven years ago) link

"Catalan" features Jordi Vals right?

yes, it does.i have that lp of the attack dog samples. i don't think i veer made it all the way through.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:19 (seven years ago) link

....ever made it....

stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:20 (seven years ago) link

Best PTV album by a country mile. Love that bit with the Holophonics where if you listen on headphones in the dark it sounds as if you're being buried alive.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:28 (seven years ago) link

i think i'd have to toss a coin to decide whether this or "force the hand..." was better. it also has some holophonic delights on it too.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:33 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Fuck me this is amazing!

Mule, Friday, 5 April 2013 17:46 (seven years ago) link

I'm saddened that no one seems to wanna talk about this.

Mule, Sunday, 7 April 2013 13:12 (seven years ago) link

kinda lost interest in ptv around 1988 tbh

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Sunday, 7 April 2013 15:27 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

seeing them this weekend

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 02:17 (four years ago) link

"Dreams Less Sweet" was an important album to me when I was 16/17. I didn't know anything about them, I got a cassette copy of it from a friend, and it wasn't like any other music I listened to at the time. This was right when I had gotten my driver's license, and I liked to drive around country roads at night with that tape on, imagining some kind of pagan horrors in the cornfields.

something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 04:33 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

Genesis and Paula cameo on MTV Buzz, 1990.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 February 2016 23:05 (four years ago) link


still pissed about those masters above, wtf

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 19 February 2016 23:10 (four years ago) link

Their contributions pop up periodically until the end of that clip, incidentally.

I'm more amazed than outraged to see masters being sold on ebay. How did they end up in the hands of someone who would sell them their?

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 February 2016 23:12 (four years ago) link

I know, right? I mean, I guess if you have a high-quality backed up digital transfer you could live without it, but still!

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 19 February 2016 23:27 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

There are only twenty-three words.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 June 2017 01:45 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

that was an interesting read. the whole dark magick neofolk post industrial diaspora seems to be populated with the most shady motherfuckers

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 October 2019 22:51 (seven months ago) link

I was sort of relieved that David Tibet got shot of that scene sharpish since I see him round town quite often and I'd rather it stay an "oh look there goes David Tibet" thing than a there goes that abusive cunt thing

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 3 October 2019 22:54 (seven months ago) link

terribly written article but interesting repository of info about how much of a twat ol' gen is

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 October 2019 22:55 (seven months ago) link

Yeah it wasn't well written at all, I guess you have to read the long list of references to find out what was actually supposed to have happened which I will try to do soonish

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 3 October 2019 22:56 (seven months ago) link

Sorry that was a bit flippant, the stuff from Cosey was bad enough, just a lot of it was a bit vague. I don't have anything invested in Psychic TV or TOPY so I should probably stfu til I read it properly

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 3 October 2019 23:05 (seven months ago) link

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