S/D Peter Brotzmann

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so i just d/led a few albums by the guy, namely the new release FMP130 on atavistic. dear lord. it seems to be along the same lines of borbetomagus, yet more jazz structures than noise (keep in mind i have no freggin' idea what i'm talking about, but this seems to be what my ears are telling me.) does anyone have suggestions on what to seek out? has anyone heard the new album?

brock (brock), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 02:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm no authority myself, but "machine gun" is the classic brotz release. hyper-intense skronk that could possibly rend the flesh from your bones. it's an experience.

Jay Kirsch (Jay Kirsch), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 03:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

machine gun seconded. hans bennink. o my. imagine if fire music had been fueled by vodka and fierce german humour.

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 03:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Machine Gun, Balls, Couscous de la Marquesse. FMP130 is a good place to start too.

hstencil, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 04:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thirded, even. Machine Gun is just classic.

Atavistic has rereleased various records from the same period, and the reviews have been favorable to them as well.

The first Last Exit record is swell (c. mid 80s), and worthy of attention. (Bill Laswell, Ronald Shannon Jackson, and I believe Sonny Sharrock make up the rest of the band.)

Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 04:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like his live album Fuck De Boere, also excellent. I think it was recorded in 1970.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 07:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Peter Brotzmann: Already started, need more!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 07:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You need to get 'For adolphe sax', 'Nipples' and the follow up of unreleased material 'More nipples'. 'Fuck de Boere' is another great piece of group improv but it also has a live version of 'machine gun'.

I also have his 'no nothing' solo rec and '3 points in a mountain' is also pretty varied, not a blow out: has bennik and misha mengelberg (sp?) in it.

I have to get FMP130 one of these days but its just been released.

Has anyone heard him playing with Carla Bley? It sounds pretty funny from what I've heard abt it but i think that has the earliest Brotzmann on tape.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 08:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

''Weirdly I have only ever seen Brotzmann live the once - back in '79 at the Third Eye Centre in Glasgow, with his trio featuring Harry Miller and Louis Moholo.''

since then I have heard a few recs with harry miller/moholo as the rhythm section and they were pretty special so hopefully they'll reish that trio rec they made with brotzmann.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 08:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have lots of Brotz. Aside from the stuff mentioned already, good ones include: Berlin '71, which features him with Bennink on drums, Fred Van Hove on piano and Albert Mangelsdorff on trombone (this is a 2-CD set which incorporates the above-mentioned Couscous de la Marquesse and two other albums); and the recent releases Nothung (with William Parker on bass and Michael Wertmuller on drums) and The Cooler Suite (with Thomas Borgmann on second sax, Parker on bass again and Rashid Bakr on drums).

Excellent Last Exit discs include the first one, Headfirst Into The Flames and Cassette Recordings 87 (also sold under the name From The Board).

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 09:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Check out some of the Die Like a Dog stuff -- Peter Brotzmann (clarinet/sax), Toshinori Kondo or Roy Campbell (trumpet), William Parker (bass), and Hamid Drake (percussion). Their New York show earlier this year as a trio (sans trumpet) was amazing.

All the stuff I've heard with Bennink, van Hove, et al. is great; I tend to reach for _FdB_ more than any of the others for some inexplicable reason.

The _Shadows_ album with Keji Haino and Shoji Hano is a pretty wild ride as well.

Rokovoko (Rokovoko), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 12:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


i like fmp130 the best. the machine gun and for adolphe sax stuff is brutally amazing... i just tend to dig fmp130 more cause it's a little more varied in a sense. those others are almost "required listening" though.

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msp, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 13:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

PB minus TWO HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Full Metal Slanket (Oilyrags), Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Saw him last night. They were giving out cotton wool, behind the bar, for people who were finding it too loud! Jazz, eh?

The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 March 2010 10:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's standard practice to give out earplugs at rock concerts in mainland Europe, but that's the first time I've heard of it being done in the UK or at a jazz gig. I can understand why they did it, though. This Hairy Bones quartet is Brötzmann's most intense and unforgiving configuration at the moment. When I saw them last year in Vienna there was, unusually for Brötzmann, no interval. Just a savage 90-minute squall of sound.

anagram, Thursday, 25 March 2010 10:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yah, we lucked out, it was supposed to be two different gigs, 10 quid each, but I assume they couldn't sell enough tickets so instead it became a 3 hour gig with a 1 hour interval

The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 March 2010 10:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Brotzmann is on fire recently, his Full Blast trio album Risc and the album with Portuguese band Black Bombain are both brilliant imo.

calzino, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 12:28 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the Black Bombaim album is great. I haven't heard Risc yet, but I like Full Blast a lot.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 13:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

oops Black Bombainm even.

I've not heard any other Full Blast albums to compare it with, but I will definitely be seeking them out because it is glorious.

calzino, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 14:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

If you can find the version of their album Black Hole that's a 2CD set with a bonus live disc, grab it.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 14:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

I saw him earlier this yr, and while may have hung back slightly a few times (he did admittedly play two set w/ two different group that night) when he hit it, he still hit it hard.

In fact the first twenty minutes or so of his set with Steve Noble/John Edwards/Jason Adasiewicz was close being about the very best improvised music I have ever heard.

He's also played a set with Heather Leigh where he uncorked a brief flurry of notes, so fluid and pretty and smooth that I was dumbstruck.

Dude is the best. The best.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 16:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

Glad to finally get a cd of Iron Path by Last Exit over the last year. Do love that lp. Would love more like that.

Do love PB's son Caspar's Massaker especially Home too.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 16:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

I haven't seen him live in at least 15 years—one of the shows I saw was recorded, and the other was a Die Like A Dog set at Tonic with Roy Campbell subbing in for Toshinori Kondo. I need to see him live again if/when he ever comes back to NYC. Seems like he mostly tours the middle of the country these days.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 17:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

i seriously debated going to philly for the brotzmann/heather leigh set, lack of nyc shows was a huge drag

totally agree on the black bombaim album, it rules

adam, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 17:51 (nine months ago) Permalink

I drove from Mpls to Chicago to see him, in part cuz I really wanted to see the duo set Heather Leigh, I love that record and it was totally worth it.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 18:50 (nine months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

just picked up born broke the other day, brotzmann + uuskyla, it's awesome, i was very impressed. i haven't listened to much brotzmann since never too late but always too early w/ william parker & hamid drake. on second disc of born broke he gets almost lyrical at times

marcos, Friday, 21 October 2016 14:52 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Fantastic color footage of the Brötzmann/Van Hove/Bennink trio on German TV. The performance is from 1974, but it was broadcast much later (I can tell 'cause the announcer talks about Last Exit during the intro, so it's gotta be from at least 1986 or '87).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1T-Pxkp6SY

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 21:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

whoa - thanks for this!!

Wimmels, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 03:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Machine Gun" is one of my go-to things to freak people out. "Hey, have you ever heard this?" [Everyone runs screaming from the room.] I once listened to the whole thing while riding the subway, it was surreal.

birthday party, cheesecake, jelly beans, boom (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 05:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

thank you

billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 07:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

Brilliant! I have been in love with his Die Like a Dog Quartet a lot this year. I could have sworn the German presenter says something about Mahler in the intro.

calzino, Thursday, 24 November 2016 08:04 (seven months ago) Permalink

... Gustav or Horst?

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 November 2016 08:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

dunno, but much prefer Gustav.

calzino, Thursday, 24 November 2016 08:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

This was broadcast a couple of months ago and I saw it completely at random -- he mentions Last Exit because they also showed a Last Exit gig directly afterwards.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 24 November 2016 08:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

Mahler = painter. He's quoting Brötzmann about bringing a painter's sensibility to his music.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 24 November 2016 08:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

That's Maler, ofc.

heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 24 November 2016 09:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

Ja ja, stimmt genau, Herr Professor. Gleiche Aussprache, wollte nur klarstellen und nicht angeben.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 24 November 2016 09:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Machine Gun" is one of my go-to things to freak people out. "Hey, have you ever heard this?" [Everyone runs screaming from the room.] I once listened to the whole thing while riding the subway, it was surreal.

― birthday party, cheesecake, jelly beans, boom (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:29 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Interesting. It is because of Machine Gun and Nipples that I'd profoundly misunderstood this man's work for many years. In my early days of discovering free jazz (a backward trajectory probably common to a lot of people my age - I had Dave Burrell's Echo on my want list before I'd heard Archie Shepp) and trying to hear the most 'out' stuff, I'd sorta written PB off as a macho, overblowing fire music guy. It really wasn't until seeing him play live, and then subsequently hearing his records with people like Louis Moholo, that I really began to understand how nuanced a player he really is.

I still don't totally 'get' guys like Mats Gustafsson, Paal Nilssen-Love (both of whom I have seen play), though I respect their, err, approach. But Brotzmann is a guy I began getting pretty obsessed with after realizing there was a lot more to him than just firepower.

Wimmels, Thursday, 24 November 2016 13:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

I still don't totally 'get' guys like Mats Gustafsson, Paal Nilssen-Love (both of whom I have seen play), though I respect their, err, approach.

I like The Thing, but I view them as kind of a free jazz outgrowth of guys like Red Prysock - there was a compilation series called Honkers and Bar Walkers on Delmark some years back that compiled a whole bunch of 1950s R&B-meets-hard bop stuff, with fairly basic rhythms and big, overblown sax solos, and that's where I trace The Thing back to. Their willingness to cover garage-rock songs only strengthens the link IMO. That said, Nilssen-Love's Large Unit is pretty interesting; I recommend their 3CD box, which I reviewed in 2014.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 24 November 2016 18:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

this kind of music is so much better live than on record that the records, in the digital age, feel kind of sad to me. like, they existed to help generate some cash flow for the musicians who made them, and to give them something to sell at gigs, and, often & most importantly imo, to document things that had happened in the live arena which would not happen again and which represented growth-points/advances. I don't know, but I'd imagine, that when the bottom dropped out of physical sales, it really really dropped out for free jazz physical sales. but anyway if you happen to live in a town where you can see free improv often enough that it becomes familiar, that's an experience worth having -- I was in Chicago in '95/'96 seeing Vandermark & Gustafsson when he came through & others and the live experience felt like The Actual Deal and the recordings more like souvenirs.

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 24 November 2016 23:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

This is otm. Especially since a lot of great 90s free jazz albums--and reissues--were CD only (I'm thinking of labels like Eremite) and remain so to this day. I'm guessing there aren't a lot of people scouring the racks for Sabir Mateen and Susie Ibarra CDs now, which is a shame.

"Souvenirs" is exactly the right word, and I've certainly bought CDs that ended up as such. I remember coming home from one of the Vision festivals with handfuls of latter-day Alan Silva and Raphe Malik CDs, and I can't say I spent a lot of time listening to any of them. On the other hand, those gigs I witnessed are burned permanently into my brain.

Wimmels, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

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