Pole - CD1: C/D?

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Rain and flashlights and corners and headlights. Cheap made-for-TV detective B-movies with bad sound and colour. Like the shadow of trip-hop without the substance, what it deserved in the first place.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

Utterly classic - i remember the first time i heard it i was like "what the fuck!?" i read about it before it was released in the uk and i was sure, from the description, it was going to be like music i had imagined my whole life and never actually heard. I wasnt dissappointed. It sounded better than i had imagined.

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

CLASSIC.

It is easy to dog it in 2003, but it was a work of genius 5 years ago. Let's take everything berlin, and strip it down to absolutely nothing. Rhythm and Sound is not extreme enough for us, basic channel needs to be taken to the logical conclusion! I used to listen to this LP over and over again at 33rpm at -16% because the pops and crackles and hiss were so choice. This slotted in so well with Thomas Koner and Oval. It was like minimal abstract ambient meets hiss and click before Mille Plateaux made a brand name out of the concept.

This record reminds me of the old gigs I used to do at this shitty little dive coffee house on Broadway that was called The Io. That was back when the very first Kompakt records were coming out, Klang Elektronik was the shit, and everything Basic Channel was cannon. It was such a mash of everything good from Redcell, to Detroit Escalator Company, Studio One, Thomas Brinkmann, Apollo Records, to RLW. I miss those days so much.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

what am I thinking, it isn't an LP, it was a double LP set! I really need to break this out tonight.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

yep - mine too. LP1 rather than CD1.

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

also LP2 was pressed at 45 rpm - i didnt realise this until i saw POLE live about 6 months after it came out. Its nowhere near as good at the right spped!

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Classic.

CD1 is an example of someone who got it absolutely right on the first go -- I really think they needn't have bothered making more records. It reminds me of a Miles Davis adage about thinking of a sound and then not making it.

It's also a record that works for me first thing in the morning or last thing at night in a way that few others do.

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Sunday, 24 August 2003 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

It's OK but i sold it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 24 August 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

If you're talking about the "blue" album, yeah, it's one of my favourite records of all time too. Pole's minimalism is minimalism with soul, because of the dub and jazz influences. According to AMG his new album has rapping in it, sounds weird.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 25 August 2003 11:00 (twenty years ago) link

Incidentally, I have "R" inside my Discman right this moment. I love that record maybe even more than "1", what with all the acoustic guitars and the great remixes by Berndt Friedmann and Kit Clayton.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 25 August 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

CD1 is an example of someone who got it absolutely right on the first go -- I really think they needn't have bothered making more records.

This is why I never bought "2" or "3". Should I have?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 25 August 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link

i love 2 - but as i said - i play it at the wrong speed (33 instead of 45) so unless you have a fancy pitch control cd player i wouldnt reccomend it - it sounds too fast at it's normal speed.

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Monday, 25 August 2003 11:37 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I saw him in Barcelona, half way through the set Fat Jon steps on stage and starts rapping to it. - althoguth the sound is very different now. Dub infused RnB / Hip-hop. but with still a sense of the minimalism that was in the earlier realeases.

I always thought POle 3 represented the perfect culmination of that earler sound though. it just seems mor esoldi and involving that the earlier stuff.

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

search pole 1, 2
pole 3 is unnecessary
i liked the new pole stuff live with fat jon but apparently on record its totally lame. i wouldnt bother with 90/90 or 45/45.

i prefer 2 to 1, but theres a track on poile 1 - 'modul', which hits the spot everytime. gorgeouys bass.

pole 2 was my first 'headphone music' (urghh). ie, i just sat in my room, put it up to supaloud and listened on my headphones..
maybe i should do that again sometime....

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 09:59 (twenty years ago) link

What does it sound like?

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:23 (twenty years ago) link

good...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:26 (twenty years ago) link

...

You mean, there's more?

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

and pole 3 is a damned good record... it's a very solid album and works perfectly if you listen to it after 1 and 2...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:28 (twenty years ago) link

I'd rank the numbered Pole records 3-1-2.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

(Or yellow-blue-red.)

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:35 (twenty years ago) link

i must have another listen to 3 then. my order goes Red(played at the wrong speed) > Blue > yellow

colin o'hara (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

Andy's ranking matches mine...altho I think R is the underrated gem in the catalog (maybe my favorite right now but then I've heard it so much less.)

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

"R" doesn't have work as good as a whole as "1" because the "variations" are so different, but every track on "R" is superb, which I can't say even about "1". Berndt Friedmann's remix on "Raum 1" is perhaps better than anything he or Pole have ever produced.

By the way, have any of you heard the Nonplace Urban Field (=Friedmann) 1996 EP "Raum für Notizen"? It has a quite similar sound to Pole's records, especially on the first track. I think that's where Pole might've gotten some of his inspiration from.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 28 August 2003 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
'vive

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 04:21 (twenty years ago) link

It sort of is what it is, isn't it? Classic or dud seems sort of beside the point. I can't imagine owning all three (or is it 4 or 5 now) of Betke's records, but the one I have is interesting to listen to on headphones at certain times, I guess.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 April 2004 04:24 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's 5.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

i have CD3
it's good for walking around in a mall

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Friday, 16 April 2004 04:35 (twenty years ago) link

i could live with just the first one and that quarks remix he did on "voices in my lunchbox." so pretty much everyone who posted up there is right.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 16 April 2004 06:47 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
3 is still awesome while walking in a mall.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Monday, 26 December 2005 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Such a great record. I still feel like there's some weird kinship between this and Rome's s/t on Thrill Jockey.

GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd really like some recommendations for quiet electronic dub.

Stuff a bit like this, especially:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbD4jHBmyzo

Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 08:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd recommend checking out Nonplace Urban Field and other projects by Burnt Friedman. He has a similar approach to dub as Pole, though he's more versatile and often less serious. NUF's "Whimp" (from the Raum für Notizen minialbum) sounds like a blueprint for the Pole type of minimal dub, even though it came out 2 years before Pole's debut. Friedman's (now defunct) label Incoming! also released plenty of good experimental dub and downtempo stuff back in the 90s.

Besides the NUF and Incoming! records, this album by Friedman & co (released on Pole's label) is wonderful piece of quiet dub too. And my favourite dub album on ~scape is Kit Clayton's Nek Sanalet, it's just as good as Pole's best work. (Nek Sanalet is not as quiet as Pole though, IMO it's closer to Stay Down by 2 Lone Swordsmen.)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I was really in the mood to listen to CD1 while I did computer stuff. But then my computer spent a full 30 minutes updating various software and now I'm just ready to listen to Stick Men With Ray Guns while punching the monitor rhythmically.

I hate Tig Notaro so much I gave Louis C.K. a dollar (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 26 October 2012 06:19 (eleven years ago) link

Ahh okay here we go. Raum is playing and I'm under a calm blue ocean.

I hate Tig Notaro so much I gave Louis C.K. a dollar (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 26 October 2012 06:33 (eleven years ago) link


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