Disco Inferno: please help me out

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Every couple of years over the last 10 or so I spot this nice looking record I've got that is 'DI go Pop'. Loads of people I've known think it's a great record but I don't buy it; at least not yet anyway. To be fair, back at the time of release my friend said that the EPs were better than the LP, but I didn't buy them so I don't know.

People have compared them with My Bloody Valentine, and I don't see that either; to me it's like comparing Jesus Jones with Underworld. It sounds a bit more like PIL's 'Metal Box' which I do think is a great record - at least, in theory.

I've got it on as I write this and to be honest it just sounds like an entire record of Revolution 9s...

I must be missing something though. I ask as I've noticed there are some fans here so I'm looking for some guidance as to how to listen to the record - for maximum enjoyment.

Still - beautiful cover though!

Keith Watson (kmw), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, where to begin. :-) Well, I have a standing offer to burn a copy of the five EPs for anyone who wants it, so drop me a line. As for that particular album, my thoughts (I also have a shorter and more formal take here. Unlike "Revolution 9" (I assume you're talking about the song, not John Moore's band), Disco Inferno does almost always have a straightforward lyrical structure and core vocal melody (of sorts, Ian Crause is not a melodic singer as such and doesn't pretend to be), so there's more structure there than you might initially be noticing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

"D.I. Go Pop" makes much more sense after hearing the EPs. They make the album's rejection of beauty seem more deliberate.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, unsurprisingly, OTM. "Second Language" came out shortly after DI Go Pop and there's NOTHING on that album which is as 'beautiful' in a Durutti Column-in-overdrive sense as said song.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

at first it's muddy and claustrophobic and rattly and ratty, not unlike rev 9 i guess, and then some points of clarity pop out at you. like tinfoil in a ditch. but it's def more of a sound record than a song record. in fact, from 'a crash at ever speed' till 'even the sea sides against it' (i think that's what it's called), the thing becomes a kind of ugly 'since i left you', i stop listening actively and let it wash over me. like, er, bathing in the... ditch. the one with the tinfoil. yeah.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, You Infernal Disco Man Extraordinaire - I sent you an e-mail)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

(damn, now that i think of it, i'm pretty sure the
'since i left you' as dirty 'go pop' was a finneyism that i'm just ripping off wholesale)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 23 August 2003 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

QUITE RIGHT. ;-) No, more seriously -- Tim's rightly drawn a general Avalanches/DI comparison in the past, but I don't recall him phrasing it specifically that way. So give yourself some credit! Unless Tim sues you, ya bum.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 August 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't got "DI Go Pup" but "Technicolour" is the best record ever made. Maybe you should listen to that, Keith.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:01 (twenty years ago) link

"DI Go Pup"

Ian Crause IS Barbara Woodhouse in Ol' Yeller

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

or even Love Stepping Out ?

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 24 August 2003 07:20 (twenty years ago) link

Cheers Nick, I'll get a hold of it and give it a listen - it seems it would be rude not to.

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 24 August 2003 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

QUITE RIGHT. ;-) Then again, I figure everyone needs to hear everything by DI ever. Technicolour is a more 'traditional' album -- this was after all DI's gear had been stolen and so they were building up again from ground zero, but in a different direction.

What really still intrigues/amazes me is that we're almost ten years on from DI Go Pop and the associated records and that while all the equipment that the band so painstakingly used and the potential sounds and approaches they came up with can now be collected and duplicated on a laptop without a worry, I have yet to hear the band that really approaches their style and sound outside of the Avalanches. I think the sense of limitations turning into a forcing of themselves to try something different/more may well mean that DI will end up being unique, but we'll see.

Also, cheers to everyone who has contacted me about the EPs. :-) I am always happy to share and have already burned a slew of copies, and will be responding in e-mail shortly. This is something I just always end up doing on a regular basis because there doesn't seem to be any other resource for them or interest in rereleasing them -- the Aus/NZ crew who I met last year will remember me slinging around copies like there was no tomorrow!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

You know, it's strange I've often thought the same thing. I remember having a conversation with my mate about this sort of thing when Screamadelica came out (same guy who tried to get me to like Disco Inferno back then). I loved how the percussion on "Higher than the sun" was all just strange noises, it was great. We talked about how it seemed like there were loads of possibilities; but yeah, ten years on hardly anyone appears to have capitalized on this.

I guess it's nice in one respect - maybe someone will yet do this - the Lord knows music could do with an injection of excitement at the moment.

Ned - I will force feed myself "DI go pop" all week. I had it on this morning and started to like the last couple of tracks.

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

Well, there are plenty of big songs around with strange noises for beats and all, as the past few years has aptly demonstrated, just in an explicitly pop/hip-hop context. And maybe that's where it will stay for a while yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:50 (twenty years ago) link

*snaps out of drift listening to "Love Stepping Out"*

Every time I listen to the extended instrumental beginning I am convinced I am hearing the most beautiful music in the world. And that just makes what Crause is singing all the more amazing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 August 2003 14:24 (twenty years ago) link

i agree entirely with ned (who was kind enough to help me complete my disco inferno collection some time ago!) about "love stepping out" - along with "second language", in the top 10 of my favourite songs ever....after getting a hold on the technicolour outtakes (6 songs), i was wondering if there was still any chance for more unreleased material floating around?

chomicat, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
"technicolour outtakes (6 songs)" = Mixing It session?
or is this something far more enviable...?

doug watson (solid air), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

the technicolour outtakes are different from the mixing it sessions.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 November 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

And how come you have these beautiful outtakes and I do not? Er, he asked politely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 November 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

the songs are :

1. where did i go wrong (mix 1)
2. drowned out
3. untitled
4. keep it together
5. swing
6. where did i go wrong (mix 2)

they do sound like outtakes, i.e. perhaps not entirely finished, and the sound quality isn't great. sadly i don't have enough web space to host the 6 songs, but i can upload 2 at the time.

i hope this works (limited bandwidth) -

http://homepage.mac.com/san_micho/Drowned_Out.mp3
http://homepage.mac.com/san_micho/Where_Did_I_Go_Wrong.mp3

(many thanks to rf, who i hope won't mind i post these.)

chomisan, Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

i had no trouble getting those off soulseek a couple months ago

thom west (thom w), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, thanks to the accursed Ned and his aformentioned Aust/NZ distribution of the 5 EPs, I have found one of my favourite bands of all time.

It's possible to get all of their stuff off Soulseek, and I recommend the early 'In Debt' era stuff as well, though it's no indication of the amazing stuff that was to come. I would buy all their stuff if I could ever find it.

stuff is the word of the day.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

thanks to the accursed Ned

I am evil, EVIL! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

Lovely stuff, Chomisan. Can we have some more?

doug watson (solid air), Friday, 28 November 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

I thought this thread was an appeal to the fire brigade.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 November 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link

You kind cuddly man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 November 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Ned, I've been enjoying these albums for months and months, but I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to post a tracklist on this thread for the edification of us fortunate burnees?

Clarke B., Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

The Five EPs:

1. Summer's Last Sound
2. Love Stepping Out
3. From the Devil to the Deep Blue Sea
4. A Rock to Cling To
5. The Last Dance
6. DI Go Pop
7. The Long Dance
8. Scattered Showers
9. Second Language
10. The Atheist's Burden
11. At the End of the Line
12. A Little Something
13. It's a Kid's World
14. A Night on the Tiles
15. Lost in Fog

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

magic!

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

Mayhem!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

wikkidlush!

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

Sure, if you insist.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

i heard a disco inferno album (technicolor) and it was awful.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

D'oh!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

maybe that's because you're an idiot.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

(okay, not really.)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

is that the only one you've heard cozen?

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, that's the only one i've heard; i didn't like it one bit. i'd have to listen to it again to maybe say why but yeah didn't do anything for me and i thought it would (after n. and rjg saying nothing but good things about it in the pub one night).

idiozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

hah is that what technicolor is named for?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:29 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks, Ned!

Oh, Cozen, and if you've got a spare copy of that laying around, ya know, we can probably arrange something...

Clarke B., Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

my flatmate bought it for like £1 in a record store clearout. i'll see what i can do, clarke.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

That would be incredible, Cozen! E-mail me if you have any luck...

I cannot understand why this band hasn't been canonized. Is it just a case of wrong place/wrong time? Are people really that cloth-eared? Their records gush genius, almost flauntingly.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

How do they get such a cool guitar sound on "Love Stepping Out"??? Is that even a guitar? It actually sounds more like a harp or something. Is that a sample?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

I cannot understand why this band hasn't been canonized.

Well also keep in mind they were barely PUBLICIZED. The only reason I heard about them at all was strictly the UK press, specifically Melody Maker thanks to Simon Price, Simon Reynolds and David Stubbs (and Neil Kulkarni now that I think about it -- gave "Second Language" single of the week). In Debt fell out of print in the UK after Che collapsed and only half emerged in the States on the Coctails' label of all things, DI Go Pop did get a near simultaneous release sorta on Bar-None in 1994 here and that's how I ended up interviewing Crause (and WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I FIND THE TAPE DAMMIT but that's another story), but that was about it, they never toured and didn't make much of a splash. You really had to know who they were by digging, and they just missed out of a potential net buzz by a few years when the technology to share music got suitably entrenched.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 03:22 (twenty years ago) link

3. From the Devil to the Deep Blue Sea
4. A Rock to Cling To

Are you SURE that's not the wrong way around?

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

I've NEVER been entirely sure. But that's the way I think of them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 04:35 (twenty years ago) link

(haha yes that's what it's name for cozen)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago) link

(i thought about calling it "love stepping out" but a. i don't and b. "technicolor" seemed more open ended)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 04:38 (twenty years ago) link

you coulda called it technicolor yawn

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 04:44 (twenty years ago) link

"far defter" though?

akm, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

It's an excerpt from a longer, unpublished piece, so I think context might explain the ending (I'd have to go back and check). Still, there's the idea that they found what one of their sources of inspiration could not, that they made it actually work.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

That was a cool article. I'm delighted when anyone appreciates Sparkle In The Rain as well.

I SYMPATHIZE HAMSTER (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Does anyone have any idea how I might get in touch with Ian Crause? I can't find an offical myspace page. Does one exist? There's something I need to tell him. Please.

gods jangle the key change (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 11 January 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

At LONG last I have finally found the interview I did with Ian Crause back in 1994. Seriously, this tape had been eluding me forever. I'll be digitizing it and figuring out how best to share in as part of a larger project; more details soon.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

he said 4 months ago...

zingzing, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

He said indeed. The larger project is forthcoming.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Does anyone know where I could get the five e.p.s in v0? Been looking for years..

mikethegrouch, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

what is v0? i can send you flacs or something if you want.

akm, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm desperately after the 'Last Dance' and 'Second Language' EP's in lossless if anyone can help. I have 'Second Language' on vinyl and I gave up the hope of ever finding an original copy of the 'Last Dance' EP a while back. Any help would be eternally appreciated.

AnotherDeadHero, Thursday, 18 March 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

did the person who was getting their logo tattood on themselves ever show any pictorial eveidence?

piscesx, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

i vaguely remember seeing a pic?

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Now I have the compilation I am selling my original CDs of the five EPs. If you're interested they're here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/njsouthall/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Bump. A couple of people are watching these; I've just dropped the Buy It Now prices.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 3 October 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link

A gentle bump.

Zero bids still!

djh, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

Couple of watchers though. I will post to the US for an ILXor, btw.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

alright.. which ilxor outbidded me?

^_____^

difficult to adjust to ilxor being a low frequency poster (ilxor), Saturday, 8 October 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

Holy crap those EPs have plummeted in value. I remember Last Dance would set you back like 80 bucks.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 8 October 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry ilxor. I'm the guilty party. Don't hold it against me.

I heard DI for the first time about 4 or 5 years ago. In my search for the EP's I was initially lucky in finding the 'Second Language' new on vinyl from a Amazon marketplace seller for about £8 new. Not long after that I was fortunate enough to stumble upon what must have been warehouse finds of 'Summers Last Sound' and 'In Debt' for dirt cheap on CD via eBay. I then found a copy of 'A Rock to Cling To' pretty cheap on Amazon second hand. After that I managed to get a copy of 'It's a Kids World' on wax for about £10. 'The Last Dance' was by far the most difficult to track down. I searched high and low for years to no avail. If it wasn't for the formal release of the 5 Eps compilation and Sick Mouthy's decision to sell his EP's I doubt I'd ever have found it. Does any one have any idea of what kind of quantity was pressed of the EP's in the first place? It really can't have been much.

I did manage to score myself a copies of 'Open Doors, Closed Windows', the 'Science' EP and 'D.I go Pop' on vinyl on the way along. The latter in particular seems to be neigh on impossible to find.

I then bought a copy of the '5 EP's' on release date and felt a bit silly for all my desperate efforts. Still, part of me felt committed to the cause.

AnotherDeadHero, Sunday, 9 October 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

^^ sounds like you're far more committed to the cause than i am. props for beating me by $1 or so per disc! ..... i too stumbled across summer's last sound and a rock to cling to CDs for something ridiculous, like $3 apiece some cheap local undervalued pricing... snapped those up quick. i'll get the rest someday. cheers!

difficult to adjust to ilxor being a low frequency poster (ilxor), Sunday, 9 October 2011 02:41 (twelve years ago) link

I just love that they're all back now in some form. Out of my hands completely, at last.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

maybe i should eBay my Ned Raggett-penned CDr copy..... what's it worth, i wonder? ;D

difficult to adjust to ilxor being a low frequency poster (ilxor), Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:39 (twelve years ago) link

Great recent interview and feature on The Quietus: http://thequietus.com/articles/07144-disco-inferno-interview

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Thursday, 20 October 2011 08:41 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...

Feeling chuffed and perhaps a little smug to have picked up 12"s in good condition of A Rock To Cling To, The Last Dance and It's A Kid's World for £2.50 each from the usually very sharp local second hand dealer.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 13 February 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link

Fantastic score! If he's usually very sharp there's no need to feel smug imo. No one's perfect.

Tim Heckler (willem), Thursday, 13 February 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link

Indeed. Meantime, check another thread revival shortly...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link

wow, I've never even seen these on vinyl.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link

D.I. Go Pop on vinyl. Please. Please. Please.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 13 February 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I was just going to post that. Would love to own D.I. Go Pop and Technicolour on vinyl.

Kitchen Person, Thursday, 13 February 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

A quick note that Rocket Girl are rereleasing In Debt, with a formerly unreleased cut:

https://rocketgirl.co.uk/label/release/rgirl114

https://rocketgirl.co.uk/label/release/rgirl114LP

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:45 (seven years ago) link

I like the new cover art!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link

Yeah that's a neat way to acknowledge the past while doing something different. Same sleeve designer as well.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link

more of a collector's item

tho emigre is in my top 10 disco songs

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link

yeah looking forward to this even though I have it on cd and everything else.

akm, Thursday, 2 March 2017 02:10 (seven years ago) link

yes but you don't have "in the cold" because it's an unreleased track! unless it's on youtube or something. I haven't checked.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 March 2017 02:36 (seven years ago) link

In Debt is their best album.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 4 March 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link

^ A nice mix. Slight shame all the jungle tracks are from the same compilation I believe, rather than a bit more varied. https://www.discogs.com/Various-Drum-Bass-Selection-2/release/97952

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 9 March 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link

I'll stop my DJ snarking now ;)

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 9 March 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link

I did enjoy that mix ... I have to confess it inspired me to make my own compilation from the same era (Insides, Disco Inferno, Spoonfed Hybrid, Acacia etc).

Snarking is okay.

djh, Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else already. I just came across pre-orders on Amazon for vinyl reissues of DI Goes Pop (out on Jan 26) and Technicolor (out on Feb 23). Looking on the One Little Indian, they seem to have slightly different release dates but they are confirmed as coming soon. Amazing news!

kitchen person, Monday, 15 January 2018 04:28 (six years ago) link

dope

kolakube (Ross), Monday, 15 January 2018 04:29 (six years ago) link

Excellent news!

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 15 January 2018 10:00 (six years ago) link

Ordered DI Goes Pop it from One Little Indian as soon as I saw the post, and it has just arrived.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link

Wow! It still says the vinyl will be dispatched in February on the site. I wish I could get a copy here in America that quickly.

Have you played it yet? Interested to know how it sounds. Hope they've done a good job with these.

kitchen person, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link

I saw this post Ned shared on FB about OLI fucking over A.R. Kane, and that the vinyl re-issue of '69' is ripped from a CD. Does anyone know about D.I's relationship with OLI, or the provenance of the vinyl re-ish?

https://www.facebook.com/arkaneuk/posts/1575310215879208

@olirecords claim to have purchased our entire catalog from @RoughTradeRecs for a few pennies, in perpetuity, w'out our consent knowledge - they refuse to let the rights revert to the band - not so much #MeToo more #MyArtToo #ArtisticSlavery U ever had a powerful label rip u off?

— A.R.Kane (@InfoKane) January 2, 2018

mor frog bs (S-), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:25 (six years ago) link

Ugh about A.R.Kane and OLI.

I've not had the time to listen to the LP yet, on the weekend perhaps.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 18 January 2018 10:51 (six years ago) link

OLI seemingly bought up the rights to a job lot of rough trade stuff some years back

faust apes (NickB), Thursday, 18 January 2018 11:00 (six years ago) link


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