Boys of Summer [cover]song question.

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Never noticed before yesterday, but the Ataris cover version, which is pretty damn close to the original version has the line, "Out on the road today, I saw a Black Flag sticker on a Cadillac, little voice inside my head said, 'don't look back, you can never look back.'"

I totally never heard this line before, but I totally believe it was in the original version and it just seems kind of cool to me that such a popular song referenced such a nonmainstream thing with a sort of passive and accepting familiarity, as if Black Flag was something everyone could relate to enough to stick in a lyric.

Now, if it wasn't in the original song, it's nowhere near as interesting to me. At this point, I think Black Flag is something a lot more people could relate to, even if it's still sort of an obscure band.

Scaredy Cat, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Its a Dead Head sticker in the original.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

It's a line that makes me furious.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Nobody on the road
Nobody on the beach
I feel it in the air
The summer's out of reach
Empty lake, empty streets
The sun goes down alone
I'm drivin' by your house
Though I know you're not at home

But I can see you-
Your brown skin shinin' in the sun
You got your hair combed back and your sunglasses on, baby
And I can tell you my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone

I never will forget those nights
I wonder if it was a dream
Remember how you made me crazy?
Remember how I made you scream
Now I don't understand what happened to our love
But babe, I'm gonna get you back
I'm gonna show you what I'm made of

I can see you-
Your brown skin shinin' in the sun
I see you walkin' real slow and you're smilin' at everyone
I can tell you my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone

Out on the road today, I saw a DEADHEAD sticker on a Cadillac
A little voice Inside my head said, "Don't look back. You can never look back."
I thought I knew what love was
What did I know?
Those days are gone forever
I should just let them go but-

I can see you-
Your brown skin shinin' in the sun
You got that top pulled down and that radio on, baby
And I can tell you my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone

I can see you-
Your brown skin shinin' in the sun
You got that hair slicked back and those Wayfarers on, baby
I can tell you my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link

(i was kinda disappointed dj sammy didn't change that line, actually. what should he have put though? "pete tong sticker", maybe?)

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

this song is FUCKING EVIL. I'm on the same page as Alex here. The line might work if it actually sounded like the guy was haunted by the bastardization of his scene, but it sounds like he's bastardizing it just as much. I might have believed him if he complained about a Green Day sticker, but saying Black Flag sounds just as ludicrous as if he left in the Deadhead sticker (though if he had it wouldn't be so obviously forced).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Alex, why?

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

what sticker on a cadillac would tell YOU "Don't look back. You can never look back."?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link

a sticker that read "Don't look back. You can never look back."

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

god, if I'm offended someone's attempting to moan about rich people listening to Black Flag WITHIN a shiny-shiny Don Henley cover, why wouldn't Alex be?

No sticker would have that effect on me. I'm economically comfortable enough that it'd be damn hypocritical to deny anyone my favorite bands just cuz they have a nice car.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:27 (sixteen years ago) link

My original association with this song is not Henley, but a parody version done by Chicago disc jockey Steve Dahl (of "Disco Demolition" fame) when the Cubs won the division in '89. It was called "Boys of Zimmer," and contained the line, "JEROME WALTON, with your jewelry shining in the sun!"

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

the original is great, though. I fucking HATE Don Henley and I love "Boys Of Summer."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm with Anthony - I hate Don Henley, yet find this song strangely affecting. It is one of my guiltiest pleasures.

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Dead Head sticker, huh? YEah, that makes more sense....

I will say that "Black Flag" has a nice sort of rhyming quality with "Cadillac" that's just not there with "Dead Head."

Scaredy Cat, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Haha I bet Alex has a caddy. With a Black Flag sticker on it.

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link

haha and on his office fridge too

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Henry Rollins probably does too though.

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link

i totally remember "boys of zimmer." it stunk (sorry jaymc). i like the henley song. the cover sort of takes out the twinkly synth stuff which is what made the original.

black flag seems a murky substitution for the dead in this context. they both represented a kind of countercultural defiance in their day but the dead grew to become WAY more omnipresent than B.F. the Clash might be a more apposite example.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

p.s. "bad brains" would sound better than "black flag."

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

doesn't alex work for the new yorker though? (i find this endlessly entertaining.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

(clash may have been more appropriate but wouldn't have fit the rhyme scheme?)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

also the weird synth shreiks that sounded like seagulls. where did those go?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

(also, side question: which has been covered more by mediocre pop punk bands, this or "take on me"?)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

i always pictured alex looking a litle something like

http://www.oldmagazines.com/images/press%20page%20image/02-21-1925.jpg

only there's a killing joke button on his lapel.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, the NYer and another major publication...his name is actually listed in the masthead of the other one! I got bored at Barnes & Noble on my lunchbreak once and looked for it!

(major xpost)

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

if I remember correctly, The New Yorker has only the occasional uncredited freelance piece, whereas the other publication brings in the bread and butter.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, AFAIK the stuff in the NYer is uncredited.

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

tina brown, what have you wrought

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link

tons of stuff in the new yorker is uncredited

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i think they meant for alex

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah sometimes it is a fun game to sit and try to figure out which blurb he wrote but then I'm like, whoa, I'm reading the NYer, this is going to damage my reputation on ILX as a total hosebag Cosmo girl, and I have to throw it away in disgust.

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

i totally remember "boys of zimmer." it stunk (sorry jaymc).

I never said I liked it! (Anyway, you can't really take any of Dahl's music seriously -- even if he is pals with Brian Wilson.)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Holy smokes, ya go out ta get some lunch, and a thread takes right the fuck off!

Well, I agree with Anonthy's agreement of my statement.

I'm on the same page as Alex here. The line might work if it actually sounded like the guy was haunted by the bastardization of his scene, but it sounds like he's bastardizing it just as much. I might have believed him if he complained about a Green Day sticker, but saying Black Flag sounds just as ludicrous as if he left in the Deadhead sticker (though if he had it wouldn't be so obviously forced).

Exceptionally well stated. Anthony, all is forgiven!

Haha I bet Alex has a caddy. With a Black Flag sticker on it.

Not only do I not have a Cadillac, I don't have a driver's license. I do however, have a bike.....and, as a matter of fact, I do have a sticker of the Black Flag bars on it. Then again, I'm fuckin' 35 and saw Black Flag play a few times. So there.

doesn't alex work for the new yorker though? (i find this endlessly entertaining.)

I write for their "Goings On About Town" section, yes. Got a problem with that? I don't have a byline, though, and the magazine does not feature a contributors masthead. You can find my name, however, if you're exceptionally bored, on the TIME Masthead, buried among tens of thousands of fellow, digruntled drones.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link

And, for the record, I look nothing like Eustace Tilley, though I do often sport a Killing Joke pin, yes.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

but didnt' the Eagles sort of bastardize the countrified rock that the G.D. specialized in? or at least made it mega-commercial?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Eagles sound nothing like GD to me. Kind of like BOC, but not GD.

Scardy Cat, Friday, 22 August 2003 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Seriously, I get exceptionally bored a lot during my lunchbreaks, Alex, and that was like a good hunt for about 10 minutes! It brightened my day, whenever it was, like two months ago or whatever. Thank you.

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

actually you're right, scratch that thought.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

"chuck dukowski" drives a pretty nice mercedes benz. he also shops at whole foods.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link

i always pictured alex looking a litle something like:


LMAO!

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't get it.

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I heard them do this song before the baseball all-star game and said "white stripes" instead of "black flag" - I won't speculate why. It would've made more sense to say "I saw an 'objects in the mirror are closer than they appear' sticker on a cadillac. A little voice inside my head said don't look back you can never look back."

BrianB, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd never heard this before today. Then I heard it twice. It's awful. I have never quite gotten the point of cover versions that add nothing to the original, at least outside the context of a bar band playing requests for drunks. Changing "Dead Head" to "Black Flag" adds nothing. (Maybe the Ataris never heard of the Grateful Dead?)

For what it's worth, I didn't much like the original either. Eh. Need to get that tape deck fixed in my car.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

the point i think is that black flag represents to the pop punk bands of today (an ancestral counterculture) what the g.d. did to people of henley's generation. i think that's approximately correct. (although not quite. the distance between the dead's heyday and "boys of summer" by henley is about 15 years if not less. so a more appropriate choice might have been, er, sonic youth?)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

i think green day would be more appropriate...

Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong has been nabbed by the long arm of the law after being caught driving under the influence.

Armstrong was pulled over in his black BMW convertible early Tuesday morning in Telegraph Avenue, San Francisco.[gygax notes: actually berkeley, ca] He was caught speeding and then failed to pass a sobriety test.

Police described Armstrong as co-operative and released him on $1200 bail. He was also commended for making no mention of his celebrity status unlike a certain Ms Ross a few days earlier on a similar charge.

Armstrong was taken to the local police station, charged and released. He will face court later this month.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link

But if they feel that they are of a heritage linked to Black Flag, they shouldn't be covering a Don Henley song note for note to score a breakthrough hit single. I think they missed the point.

oh and "they sang" in my previous post. I wasn't singing along, honest I wasn't.

(x-post)

BrianB, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm not defending their music or choice of cover, i'm just suggesting why they sung "black flag" and arguing that it's not entirely unapposite to do so. that is all.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

$1200 is a pretty fucking high bail for a first-time DUI. Trust me on this one.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

the point i think is that black flag represents to the pop punk bands of today (an ancestral counterculture) what the g.d. did to people of henley's generation. i think that's approximately correct.

I think what irks me about that is that it implies some vague assertion of inheritance, as if to suggest that the Ataris are in some way related to or are torch-bearers for the legacy of Black Flag, which is irritating on a variety of levels.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Does this song and Alient Ant Farm's "Smooth Criminal" signify some kind of trend toward using cover songs as breakthroughs? Are there other examples?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't think so, necessarily. was henley implying an inheritance from the g.d.?

and anyhow surely today's pop punk surely wouldn't exist were it not for the example of black flag and other early american punk/hard core/whatever. whether or not you see some kind of spiritual connection is even farther beside the point.

why am i arguing anyhow? you seem so set in your hypercriticism of contemporary rock bands and uncritical enthusiasm for bands from about 20-25 years ago, on principle. i have no idea why that music inspires such slavish devotion and this constant concern for deviation/desecration.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

(x-post)

i was respoding to alex's last comment, not jaymc's.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I still find it inapposite unless their namechecking Black Flag in the context of that song isn't about a loss of youthful ideals, but a loss of the DIY punk ethos. Like we can't look back at that because we're selling out big time.

BrianB, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

jaymc: limp bizkit, surely?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

don't think so, necessarily. was henley implying an inheritance from the g.d.?

Well, I always interpretted the line in Henley's original as Don lamenting the seeming hypocrisy of extolling the Dead's communal, love&peace&dope hippy aesthetic on the preemninent symbol of affluence and avarice.

and anyhow surely today's pop punk surely wouldn't exist were it not for the example of black flag and other early american punk/hard core/whatever. whether or not you see some kind of spiritual connection is even farther beside the point.

Rather a sweeping, blanket statement, don't you think? I'd say the Ataris have much more to do with, say, the Dickies or the Ramones or Bad Religion and their specific offspring (pun intended) rather than the unflinchingly dark, decidedly UN-poppy Black Flag. This is not to say that the Ataris themselves can't recognize a simillar hypocrisy of someone showcasing their endorsement of Black Flag -- a band whose artistic mission statement dealt primarily in nihilism, self-reliance, anti-authoritarianism, isolation -- on the bumper of, once again, the preeminent symbol of wealth and establishment.

why am i arguing anyhow? you seem so set in your hypercriticism of contemporary rock bands and uncritical enthusiasm for bands from about 20-25 years ago, on principle. i have no idea why that music inspires such slavish devotion and this constant concern for deviation/desecration.

Another cop-out based on presumption. I don't categorically deride all contemporary rock bands, I'm just decrying the ones that set themselves up for critiscism in this manner. I think there are a lot of bands currently going that do have something interesting to say, and less reliant on swaddling themselves in the cache of earlier bands from earlier periods in order to get noticed.

And in terms of my "slavish devotion," perhaps you've never felt any sort've affinity for certain music before. Is it all just sonic wallpaper for you? No emotional attachment whatsoever?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Like we can't look back at that because we're selling out big time


surely selling out is part of the loss of youthful ideals!!!!!!!!!!!

x-post

sorry alex, you're probably right. it just seems that you hold up all these ok or mediocre 80s bands as the standard against which most contemporary rock must be judged unfavorably.... which to me is like you're talking in a foreign language simply because i have no stake whatever in those 80s bands.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link

and you're right in that i've never had a strong devotion to a particular "scene" or era of music. i adore lots of music as should be evident from my posts but i don't feel a particular devotion to any of it such that i feel the need to defend it against imitators.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

There are scads of 80's bands I couldn't give less of a damn about. There is, of course, ONE band who I am guilty as charged as being slavishly devoted to (no need to invoke them here), but that doesn't stand true for all of them. I completley understand your lack of empathy for my seemingly tireless championing of bands from an era that I happened to become musically aware in, but that's really no different from me not entirely being able to see the oft-touted timeless majesty of G-funk-era West Coast Hip Hop. It's just not my thing. I find that shit (and Tupac and Biggie Smalls, etc.) to be as at best okay/mediocre as you probably find lots of the stuff that I vehemently praise, but like yourself, I have absolutely zero stake in that stuff, thus I am of no authority to really ridicule it (not that it stops me, mind you). I never really understood what was so earth-shattering about the Grateful Dead either. I mean, they certainly weren't awful but I don't hear anything particularly exceptional about their music....certainly not to the extent that it explains the rampant devotion the band enjoys.

Back on topic, and back to the Grateful Dead...I believe Don Henley was asserting some lineage with the Grateful Dead...basically intoning that he got them, and that the sight of a Steal Your Face sticker on someone's Caddy was offensive or sad to him, because the Grateful Dead meant something to him (as offensive to hardcore Deadheads as that might seem).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Strongo, I had to look up what song Limp Bizkit covered on their debut ("Faith," yes?). I must admit, I wasn't really paying attention to popular music much when that came out. However, I now remember the other new song I was thinking of: Blank Theory's cover of Portishead's "Sour Times." I need to think about this more, but I'm struck that all of these covers are of very popular songs well outside the nu-metal or pop-punk genre. Obviously, It's a great tactic for a band to use, because it's a built-in audience, whether they genuinely like the song or are merely struck by the novelty factor. It's also somewhat depressing, though. I'm curious how this will play out in the future.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the biggest risk of debuting with a cover (especially with a seemingly incongruous cover like Alien Ant Farm's take on "Smooth Criminal" or Limp Bizkit's "Faith"....though the latter wasn't their debut) is that you'll swiftly be tagged as a gimmick band with no tricks of your own. Probably the worst tactic is to follow a slump with another cover (ala Quiet Riot's "Mama We're All Crazee Now").

Didn't the Ataris have a succesful single pre-dating the Henley cover, though?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

(alex sorry if i offended you. you're right about the mutual incomprehensibility of people who are devoted to different genres/eras.)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't wait til some dumbass band covers the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Jane's Addiction, etc. for a breakthrough single. That will be retarded. A Motley Crue cover would really get on my nerves, too.

Scaredy cat (Natola), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Just because I can't resist saying it anytime someone mentions "Boys of Summer" -- Mike Campbell! What makes "Boys of Summer" Don Henley's best song is that the music is not written by Don Henley.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

(as for the issue at hand...I think the reason the line works in the original is that it sounds like an actual observed detail. I don't know for sure that Henley saw a deadhead sticker on a Cadillac, but I can believe it. I seriously doubt the Ataris saw a Black Flag sticker on a Cadillac)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Perhaps it was what gave them the idea to sing it!! No, it wasn't.

Scaredy cat (Natola), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

What's particularly lame is that the didn't change "Cadillac" to "Lexus SUV" or "Mini Cooper" or something.

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

And they didn't change "Wayfarers" to "Black Flies" or "Oakleys" or whatever it is the kids wear today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link

And that they didn't just write their own damned song.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Jesse OTM--the joke only works the first time. Also OTM re. Mike Campbell, who played guitar and synth on a bunch of Henley songs and was the best thing about them.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 24 August 2003 04:51 (sixteen years ago) link

How about a Bob Dylan stcker that says "Don't Look Back"? To me the only appeal of BOS is the Mike Campbell guitar.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Sunday, 24 August 2003 06:00 (sixteen years ago) link

They are cheeky little bastards. The first time I walked past a radio playing their cover I thought I heard "Black Flag sticker..." so I actively sought out the song, to verify. I don't think it makes them "cool" to name drop but I am more offended by their video; smashing your gear is just stooopid and a sure sign that you get it free from your major. That was more annoying to me then their cover, their music and their affected hipness.

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Shortly before "Boys of Summer," the Ataris told us that being grown up isn't half as fun as growing up.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 24 August 2003 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

The Eagles sound like the Blue Oyster Cult? Or is there another BOC?

I think it would be great if a nu-metal band covered Sonic Youth.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

The fury of the guitars provide a wall of noise, pushing the chorus along of course but it does something else. Don Henley's orginal is a paen to middle class nostalgia--it is a way to remember that warm summer nights occured. This single moves so quicky as a way to avoid the same kind of nostalgia. It is a way to forget that these summer nights will ever end.

The young sing along, drinking along with friends, driving along in the first car, the lust of bikini clad pretty girls, the lies that come from the innocence of first love--no one ever thinks the fun will end at 17--this is why the cover is more poignant then the boomer classic.
from nyplm

as for black flag, the only genre left who hasnt sucked artifices cock dry is punk, and pop punk attempts to do that, with the quick efficeny of a wet/dry vac.

the line about black fly is both a genre signifier and an apology--we are "real" punks, even with our love of don henley, and we are sorry that we have had to make this cover...but for emotional/finical reasons we did.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

fly=flag

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Guiltily I kind of like the cover because it has more distorted guitars and pop-punk vocals and less 80s synth junk and Don Henley vocals. (Though, admittedly, it took me some time before I realized that it was in fact a cover. At first I was all "This song is rockier than I remembered. I totally understand why people think this is a great song!") I don't give a shit about either the Grateful Dead or Black Flag so that line is a moot point to me. I kind of like that "Black Flag" is in there because it's weirder to hear someone singing about Black Flag on mainstream radio. (x-post with Anthony. Missed his first post.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Which means that I guess I do find the cover 'poignant' in a way that the original never really was for me.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Ugh. The lead singer of the Ataris makes a cameo wearing a Clash shirt in the new vid by Me First and the Gimme Gimmes. ALRIGHT, WE GET IT, YOU LIKE PUNK ROCK!!!!!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't the Ataris have a succesful single pre-dating the Henley cover, though?

Depends on what you mean by successful...

ModJ, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Heh.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Thinking about it more, the Ataris guy could have dignified the line if he actually sounded conflicted about it. After all, Don Henley's synthed-out trax and Eagles lifestyle didn't exactly gel with the Deadhead sticker anymore than the Caddy, but he sounded CONFLICTED. It told him he could never look back. The guy from the Ataris doesn't sound like the Black Flag sticker bothers him at all. Hell, he's smiling for part of the video!

The funny thing is that the Atari's "In This Diary" is even worse, and it's an original.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

(also, side question: which has been covered more by mediocre pop punk bands, this or "take on me"?)

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i got nothin (deej), Saturday, 10 October 2009 19:11 (ten years ago) link

^^^^

sunn o))) successor (Curt1s Stephens), Saturday, 10 October 2009 19:27 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

i don't know crap about this cover version, but the original is one of the best songs of the 80's.

akm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:08 (eight years ago) link

I still want to hear the original demo.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:17 (eight years ago) link

why? it probably wouldn't have the cool drum machine or the synths or anything that makes this song rule. it would probably just have don henley wheezing all over it

akm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:26 (eight years ago) link

a song that cuts deeper every year

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:48 (eight years ago) link

also, it's strange that young people in the 80s were so hung up on nostalgia and the loss of youth. "forever young", "young turks", "glory days", "jack & diane", etc. if they only knew...

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:57 (eight years ago) link

pretty sure the original demo is all drum machine & no henley. This is discussed somewhere here or Wikipedia or ?

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:16 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

Bat for Lashes does this on her current tour and it's beautiful. Here it is.

https://youtu.be/bQ_TnYlvcR8

This made me think of the concept of an unimpeachable song, a song that everyone likes. Everyone I know fucking hates the Eagles and thinks Don Henley is a piece of shit, but everyone loves this song because it's so fucking good. The only other song I can think of right now that has that level of acceptance is probably God Only Knows.

akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:44 (six days ago) link

maybe this will embedd:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ_TnYlvcR8&feature=youtu.be

akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:44 (six days ago) link

well fuck that, you can click the link above

akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:45 (six days ago) link

It's the transitive property of Mike Campbell. Everyone loves Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell makes everything better, Mike Campbell wrote and plays on this, Mike Campbell makes Don Henley better.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:47 (six days ago) link

Wow, I didn't even realize that. Maybe I should have given fleetwood mac with Mike Campbell a shot before dismissing them completely. Clearly he made everything he did with Petty pretty excellent.

akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:53 (six days ago) link

JiC absolutely otm.

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:55 (six days ago) link

xpost Also Neil Finn, who is nothing but class. I would have loved to see a Finn tour with Mike Campbell, it's the rest of Fleetwood Mac that turned me off that outing.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:57 (six days ago) link

yeah Finn is excellent. I probably should have bit the bullet on it but I'm still a Buckingham stan.

akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 18:06 (six days ago) link

Out on the road today, I saw a Bright Eyes sticker on a Cybertruck
Tried to share a pic, but Insta was down, I was out of luck

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:51 (six days ago) link


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