The Wipers, C or D? (and several others, too)

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Virgin has a whole friggin' "Virgin Recommends" wall filled with "old school" punk.

Wipers — 3 disc set for $25.


Reagan Youth.

Dr. Know (FIST FUCK!).

Rocket From The Tombs.

-- there are others there, too, but most of them are way more popular (Black Flag and Minor Threat, for instance). So, starting with the above stuff, would you say they are C's or D's?

Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link

when that first came out, had it for only $8! it's killer.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

The Rocket from the Tombs is unstoppably great -- it will blow your mind when you hear it for the first time. I recommend it to absolutely anyone who's a fan of rock/punk/noise; I bought copies as xmas gifts for a bunch of unlikely folks, they all loved it.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Wipers are in another world. One of my favorite bands. Sage is a great guitarist with a unique style that seems to fuse a bit of Hendrix fuzz with some oceanic surf tones while playing very melodically over some fast punk rock. Sage could also play slower, moodier music, I really like tunes like "Someplace Else" and "Soul's Tongue" where they get this strange sound unlike any other band.

That box set is probably the way to go, as it has their early albums "Youth of America", "Over the Edge", "Is this Real" and some other tracks. I got the box and sold off my old copys of "YOA" and the Subpop "Is This Real". "Over the Edge" was hard to find even in the early/mid 90s when I got into Wipers.

The first Wipers album I heard was the Restless compilation "Best of Wipers & Greg Sage", which is still OK to have after the boxset, because there is still 10 songs or so off of later records.

I also have "Circle" which is a pretty good record, if a bit subdued compared to the early music. It is another good one to have as there is only one track on the Restless best of.

The later albums like "The Herd" and "Silver Sail" didn't do much for me at the time and I sold them off when I was dead broke. I've been curious to hear them again.

What I find strange about Wipers is that the only couple of punk rock people I have met from either the Oregon/Washington area saw them play, but really didn't think much of them or thought they were "just OK". They thought it was strange that I was so into them, as they considered them a just a local band.

earlnash, Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

That wipers box is the gift that keeps on giving. scoop it up.( but you should really buy it from the man himself on his website )

sageadvice, Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

where i live, sun ra were just another local band that played all the time that no one cared about.

canyoubelieveit?, Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

get the rocket from the tombs cd (i'm assuming it's "the day the earth met...") now now now. seriously, drop whatever it is that you're doing and go buy it. it's one of my all-time favorites, and the kind of record that amazes me more each time i listen to it.
and the wipers box is a good investment, too.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I just bought the Wipers box set last week. I already had the Restless compilation; the box set is almost like a totally different band.


mte, Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

what's that line about "no one is a genius in their own backyard?"

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Reagan Youth.

Horrible Maximum Rock 'N' Roll harcore-by-the-numbers. For
only the most devoted barrel-scrapers.

Dr. Know

For the barrel-scraper whose life was incomplete until he/she
found out what became of the little kid from "The Courtship of Eddie's Father."

George Smith, Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link

what's that line about "no one is a genius in their own backyard?"

this statement applies most aptly to me (although all my favorite local bands have moved away).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Wipers: unqualified classic. There vision of punk force combined with feedback-laden guitar solos was pretty much unique for their time.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I love the Wipers to a degree. But definitely more musically than lyrically. His solo track "Soul's Tongue" used to be a fave of mine thanks to its doom-laden strumming, but GODDAMN does that guy spout some cheese ("if these STREETS could only TALK!")

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

although the wiper's box en totale is pretty massive, the bonus (and lesser) material is very rarely as engaging as the album tracks. one 74 CD of wipers is about all you'll ever need (and will then take over your life).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

youth of america is one of the best albums of the 80s. when it's over is one of the most hypnotic songs of all time. i used to listen endlessly on repeat to it in the dark in my student room. the way it builds up is amazing. you think it can't become more intense and it does. much better than anything godspeed or any postrock outfit has ever done in this genre.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I got the box set (1st 3 albums) for Christmas, it's been on my want list for AGES so I'm pleased as punch.

So which of their later albums are worth getting? I've heard one of Greg Sage's solo albums from around mid-80s and that was OK but I don't think I have ever heard any later Wipers.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I really like Land of the Lost, but that is it. i mean, besides those early albums.

Trip Maker (Sean Witzman), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Greg Sage recommends you try Beauregard.

George Smith, Friday, 31 December 2004 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I will definitely give that a whirl -- but as it was I just finally ordered the three CD box set myself, so that will wait for next time. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Am I the only person who thinks that [i]Is This Real?[/i] is the best Wipers record? (That said, I'm glad I own the box set...)

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link

No, you're not the only one.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link

i think "youth of america" is their best.
totally original record, hard to describe the style of it:
bits of everything in it:post-punk,kraut,goth,new wave, a bit "suicide" and pre-sad core.greg sage guitars and vocals never sounded better.
amazing album.

the thing is it's alive, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Wipers- that 3 disc deal is just that A DEAL!!!
great mostly-unhearlded stuff!
the older i get, the more i love it...

eedd, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link

classic x 1,000,000

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

"classic x 1,000,000"
the correct and accurate answer is :
classic x 1,453,887.
acording to me supreme calculator.

der i, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link

"is this real" is the best. that box is greatness.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 March 2006 09:09 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, im not very good at mathseses. still, classic!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 March 2006 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...


Three Old Guys Play The First Five Songs Off The Wipers' Over The Edge Record And The Song Youth Of America---which features Zak Sally (Low), Freddy Votel (Cows, TVBC, Skoal Kodiak) and Dale Flattum (Steel Pole Bathtub).

cheddar burress (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 August 2009 19:18 (ten years ago) link

^^best band name ever!

cheddar burress (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 August 2009 19:19 (ten years ago) link

I would go to that in a heartbeat.
I've been seeing these new Wipers vinyl reissues, which is cool, but they cost 25 dollars, which is not. I've got the three cd box and Land of the Lost on lp.

Trip Maker, Friday, 21 August 2009 19:21 (ten years ago) link

This cover the Wipers stuff is a trend:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 August 2009 19:39 (ten years ago) link

lol yeah but the old dudes are so old they can actually like play their instruments and shit

cheddar burress (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 August 2009 19:43 (ten years ago) link

I don't actually think there's a bad wipers record. sure after the first three it's basically the exact same formula on every song, but like the ramones it's a formula where if it's played well it NEVER gets old.

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 21 August 2009 22:11 (ten years ago) link

I have been listening to Is This Real in my car for the last three weeks. It is excellent all the way through but i find it hard to articulate why apart from "These songs are so good". Maybe they are like a Chekov short story- no wasted notes.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 21 August 2009 22:50 (ten years ago) link

No wasted notes, yes, but also epic (not just the long songs), which is a tricky combination to pull off. Interesting, though, to listen to the "bonus" material on the triple-cd box--none of which are nearly as compelling as the tracks that made it to vinyl. So someone, I assume Sage, had a good ear for his best material, and for sequencing. Which isn't true of many (most?) artists.

Michael Train, Saturday, 22 August 2009 03:22 (ten years ago) link

Oh yes. I wasn't talking about Youth of America but I suppose the comparison still stands.

Hinklepicker, Saturday, 22 August 2009 03:48 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

Best of Wipers & Greg Sage on spotify now is just evening chocolate ear candy now. Love how one song makes ya appreciate space between notes and next is just balls out. Worth a revisit for tempos and timing alone.

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:32 (five years ago) link

Why is Dud even an option

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 01:12 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

You know what's awesome? Greg Sage's "Straight Ahead" solo album. Wonderfully moody and almost ambient. Why is this out of print and seemingly unknown?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 17:16 (five years ago) link

lol I described it as "OK" 10 years ago upthread but yeah it is awesome, although I can only picture the title track in my head at the moment.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 17:31 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Wipers POX, chronological

Better Off Dead (off the 1978 single - this song is incredible, and i wish i had found it earlier! everything that they did well was there, right at the beginning.)q
Alien Boy
Window Shop for Love
No Fair
Youth of America
Telepathic Boy (from the 1982 Alien Boy single)
Over the Edge
Doom Town
So Young

it is hard for me to overstate how much i'm currently enjoying the last 3 in that list, all from Over the Edge. Youth in America, both the song and the album, seems to be the consensus pick for wipers, and i can't disagree as a starting point. it's the most consistent as well. but 'Over the Edge' starts off with an obliterating trio of songs. it's really cheesy to think or way but they rock so hard it's unbelievable. THESE GUYS ROCK HARD, GUYS. but they totally do. you can hear sage's vocal cords ripping apart in the title track. if you're ever going to overcrank your stereo to the point of damaging the speakers, this is the song to do it on. there's a connection between the intro of 'Doom Town' and that one part in sonic youth's 'Hey Joni' when lee ranaldo says "Kick it!" - they come from the same place. (there's also a straight line between the same part of 'Doom Town' and the hook of Men's 'Bataille' - the Men straight up ripped them off there). 'So Young' should have been a massive hit. it's anthemic as fuck and it's amazing how full and powerful it sounds despite it coming from a power trio.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 December 2017 00:08 (two years ago) link

I like the later stuff much better for some reason

The Circle owns
The Herd owns
Straight Ahead owns
Star Sail owns

brimstead, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:01 (two years ago) link

Youth Of America is undeniable however

brimstead, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:03 (two years ago) link

Into this band for sure. Finding them after the Hot Snakes was cool cause I got to have a eureka moment w/r/t the origins of their 'downstroke warlordism.'

But there's always been two major obstacles holding me back from further developing my fandom: (1) the vibe is so unrelentingly bleak and humorless that even when I'm achieving peak personal enjoyment, I struggle to ignore my happy fundamental self calling me a poser for pretending to be more depressed than I really am. Willfully cultivating angsty teenage loser moods is pretty nagl for a grown man imo. I just like guitars! (2) name always always always makes me think of wiping butts

del griffith, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:10 (two years ago) link

timely revive, I listened to the entire 3CD in the truck last week

"Better Off Dead" is goddamn incredible and it bums me out so much that Greg didn't put that single on the box set

Is This Real still my fave for the concise approach, I feel like Youth Of America is maybe 4 minutes too long, and the note about the extra tracks being not as good is otm. Great stuff, though, I listened to all of it with pleasure.

sleeve, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:16 (two years ago) link

"When It's Over" is the most hypnotic song ever released.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 12:30 (two years ago) link

"Doom Town" always reminds me of "Dirty Boots" for some reason.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 December 2017 04:39 (two years ago) link

Things I didn't know: Sam Henry was in a pre-Dead Moon band and gives drum lessons

StanM, Thursday, 21 December 2017 08:49 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

I haven't listened to the Wipers in ages but for some reason or other Over The Edge is my number one jam today

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

Song, album or both?

The title track is an all-timer for me, but the while things is great

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:24 (two weeks ago) link

The instrumental breakdowns after the “over the eeeeeeeeeeedge!” parts are just everything to me

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

started with the song, is now the album

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:26 (two weeks ago) link

If I ever get into a fistfight I’m going to ask the other person to wait a minute while I put the title track on speakers

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

excellent guitar work throughout, sort of a thin mean sound that occasionally catches you off guard with little expressive bits

budo jeru, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

Haven’t listened to this in ages but I should

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:22 (two weeks ago) link

for me Wipers sound is the perfect intersection of neil young/melvins/husker du. so basically the perfect band.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:21 (two weeks ago) link

basically, sad ass urban 80s lonerism

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:21 (two weeks ago) link perfect for these times.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

the wipers are so needed in these times of no toilet paper

the burrito that defined a generation, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:20 (two weeks ago) link

definitely a lot of sad asses around

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:29 (two weeks ago) link

I would characterize the wipers (at least their first few) as “sad” so much as doom and gloom. Which yes, is very 2020 right now

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

would _not_ characterize, I meant

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:50 (two weeks ago) link

Doom and desperation

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:50 (two weeks ago) link


J. Sam, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

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