How would you change Top of the Pops?

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How would you change Top of the Pops?

Peter Andis, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

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How about developing a break-away strand of TOTP to act as a middle of the road music show which featured pop-ish groups but towards a more 18-22 age range ie Travis, etc - something between TOTP and Later with Jools! With TOTP make it a rule that NO-ONE can mime - all must sing live, that'll cut out the chaff from the wheat in today's charts!
Tom, UK

Peter Andis, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The last name wasn't Ewing, obv.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm, peter andis andii peters - new bloke in charge of totp.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Q How would you change Top of the Pops?

A Put me in charge of the Radio 1 playlist for 6 months !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

bring back Top 40 Breakers and play a 'video of the week' during the top 40 rundown

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

no more talking to the performers - they have absolutely nothing of interest or value to say.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Move it back to Thursdays, so it doesn't compete with Coronation Street. Dump the Star Bar, and bring back the rotating Radio 1 DJ presenting teams (with Mark and Lard appearing at least one a month).

carson dial, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What about extending to an hour and having Dance/Urban/heavy Rock/Indie Charts?
I agree about the Top 40 Breakers, thats an excellent idea stevem.
Do you agree that TOTPS problem is the actual format and presentation or do you believe the charts are crap because 12 year old girls are the only people who BUY (not listen to/download) singles?

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"TOTP has always reflected the charts which, in its heyday were varied with many different types of music. Now that the only people who buy singles are 12 year old girls it's inevitable that TOTP will suffer from a lack of diversity. The only answer is to feature different charts e.g. rock chart, country chart, pop chart, indie chart rather than just the Top 40.
Andrew Davies, UK "

Peter Andis, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have Andi Peters sing all the songs.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't show the half-assed soon-to-be-dropped pop acts whom no one cares about like Lisa Scott-Lee. There are enough great songs in the top 40 to fill a half hour show... people will specifically watch if someone like Beyoncé is on (especially if she's going to do a performance like the one she did during Crazy In Love's second week at No 1 - hoo mama!), people will turn off for Kym Marsh. Get people to do more interesting things on stage. When Justin is on, get him to perform naked.

Don't talk to any of them.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

12 year old girls do not buy as many singles as 27 year old gay men, or those evil grannies, or me when i was 12...

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE SOMEONE PERFORMING A SONG IF ITS GOING DOWN THE CHARTS - this drives me mad. i guess they have to do it because only 1 single in 100 actually climbs the chart now, but i'd rather see a performance from the new entry at #37 then whatever was at 3 last week but is now at 4.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Liz Bonnin annoys me so - i'd rather have someone with a bit more distinguishing character presenting, like Jarvis Cocker or Lauren Laverne

also, how about actually moving the show to SUNDAY NIGHTS at 7pm or earlier to tie in with the Radio 1 Top 40? it could be repeated later in the week (like everything else) and this would give it fresher feel. i'm sure they could book the artists as normal knowing whats being released the Monday before and having a good idea of what position they'd end up at.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Do what they used to do, play as many climbers and new entries as possible. Nothing gets played if it hasn't been released, no album tracks, and certainly nothing that's falling. Definitely bring back breakers. No pointless interviews with stars. TOTP is supposed to be a chart program, FFS.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

live sex./ strippers / tatu girl on girl action naked...

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Bring Jimmy Saville & John Peel back?

Peter Andis, Thursday, 31 July 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I second stevem: no songs going down!!! Also, no Exclusives of reords not released yet. There should be enough good songs to feature from this weeks Top 40 without doing this. More songs featured from lower down the Top 40. If Mull Historical Society (for instance) sneak in at 36, put them on I say. Also: absolutely no Richard Bacon, really. I can't emphasise this last point enough.

Kim Tortoise, Thursday, 31 July 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Pan's People please.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 31 July 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i second various points: back to 7pm on thursday (ideally should then be followed by tomorrow's world) bring back radio 1 djs (although this creates the possibility of me seeing chris moyles, so maybe not), play the best songs in that are in the charts plus a few breakers and the odd video now and then (i don't have mtv so its the only timne i ever see videos) and don't interview anyone ever. also, more balloons.

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you feel pop acts miming hurts the show?
Do you think the show is aimed at under 18's and should feature more older acts?
Or should TOTP's reflect the top 10 rather than the top 40?

Peter Andis, Thursday, 31 July 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Top 40 Breakers.

Let people mime, who gives a fuck, it's not Later With Jools Holland.

But if someone is going to mime and not have good costumes/dancing/gimmicks then say no.

Record the show as near to transmission as possible so that if people fuck up entertainingly there's no time to correct the mistakes.

TOTP should reflect the music that is in the charts. This is basic. Most weeks in the top 20 there is pop, hip-hop, r&b, rock, ballads, dance tunes - the charts are already eclectic enough, producers just need to realise that and not worry so much about whether an 18 year old boy will like it more than a 12 year old girl or vice versa. Ideally the mindset should be "I want to see X on TOTP so I'd better buy the single" not "Who cares they'll show some indie/pop/rap shite anyway".

If you can't get a performer on show a video, there's no shame in it - don't get on some cockmonkeys who are at #36 just because they'll do the show.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

''Do you feel pop acts miming hurts the show?''

Not at all: I loved the show in the 80's and they all mimed then didn't they??!! Only earnest rock acts with 'keep music live' stickers on their amps would want live singing, and thankfully there aren't too many of them in the charts these days.

Kim Tortoise, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

But if someone is going to mime and not have good costumes/dancing/gimmicks then say no.

but what about the fantastic pet shop boys performances where thay did NOTHING? although i suppose that's kind of a gimmick

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I got annoyed when whitney Houston came to London a few years back and recorded all four of her singles from the current album in one go and then TOTP trotted them out as and when they were released. If you can't be bothered to come to the UK in the week of the show or at the very least record a TOTP special performance in the US as Eminem did recently then I say: no go.

Kim Tortoise, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah none of that multiple songs at once farmery.

Adam B exactly - doing nothing well is fine. Swaying about on a stool is not.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I posted something of reasonably gigantic proportions about this on the Popjustice board yesterday, might just cut and paste it across...

Peters' first priority should be getting the timeslot moved - bare minimum being a shift to Friday 7 PM, clear of Corrie. Sundays would be brilliant, cos what with it not being a weekday the chances are that Peters could swing it an hour slot too - BUT Sunday is traditionally the day of the maturer person on all channels. 7 PM Sunday means that TOTP comes off a run of Last Of The Summer Wine, Songs Of Praise and Antiques Roadshow - hardly any of the viewers of those programmes will stay on for TOTP, and moving them about the schedule would result in massive complaints. Realistic best case scenario, as cobbled together by a 20-year-old who has no experience in telly, is that Peters opens up his revamp by moving it to Friday at 7 and building the ratings up. Once the BBC see that it can pull in the viewers again, he can dislodge one of the godawful docusoaps or investigative documentary bollocks, which the Beeb presumably sees as bankers on weeknights.

Presenters MUST be shaken up. The current rotation they run consists of eight or nine people who are rubbish, possible exception of Fearne Cotton. Certainly none of the current male hosts (Bacon, Murray, Theakston) should be near it - they don't give a toss for the programme or the music, they basically just come across as careerists who are crap and who think they're 'above this sort of thing'. Most of the women are autocue reading harridans, again firmly cast from the careerist mould. They all seem to be plucked from this horrible rotating cast of 'professional TV presenters' that does the rounds on almost all the 16-24 demographic programmes on telly at the moment, as well as a lot of the radio targeted at the same age group. This loop has to be broken somehow.

If they need a rotation, make sure it's people who are sufficiently different and strong enough personalities to create some kind of impression (analogy - remember when Boris Johnson hosted Have I Got News For You? What about when Hugh Dennis or Sanjeev Bhaskar or Alexander Armstrong or Liza Tarbuck did?). Ideally they will not present any other programme, so that they are identified with TOTP and TOTP is identified with them. In a good way.

Most importantly, be sure they know that they are not bigger than the programme, and that they are proud of the output, they want to make sure that it is doing as well as it possibly can.

More points as I remember 'em...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

So just keep to songs in the top 20 then , Tom?

Robin James, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

No, keep to songs in the Top 40. Priority order should be

- the no.1 every week, live or video.
- new entries or climbers in the top 10
- new entries or climbers 11-20
etc etc down to 31-40. If someone's straight in at #36 then fine, good for them, they should be on the show but not if it means getting rid of a new entry at #12 just because the #12 won't appear 'live'.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The absolute simplest thing to do with presenters is to make Radio 1 DJs do it, ESPECIALLY if they don't like the music. Dangerous Dave Pearce deserves to have to grin at a load of S Club 8 fans.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(This does not apply to Wes.)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Or the horrendous two-headed Collnanayditt monster.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Do something to totally alienate the 40-60 parent age bracket like my dad who still insists on watching it as his sole portal into modern youth culture.

Nick H, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

No Nick they are core audience - you absolutely have to get the parents watching so they can complain, say is it a boy or a girl etc.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

An hour long show could maybe have all the new entries. Definitely think there should be a rundown shown of Indie/Dance/Rnb/Heavy Rock charts.
Anything going down the chart shouldnt be shown. Stop showing the same performances each week.
No interviews at all. Just show the performance.
Don't let Chris Moyles near it.

Robin James, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

And if Radio 1 DJs present, Westwood and Peel both have to do it too, preferably on a regular basis.

Nick H, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If Wes continues to v/o the rundown at the end of the programme, can he please not announce every song as "(song) from (artist)"? It gets very annoying...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes exactly, it's like the Roadshow in that respect, or buying the tea in the office, it comes with the job.

God I'd love to see Westwood on TOTP. Especially if it's when Victoria Beckham feat. MOP comes out.

Specialist charts yeah - or an airplay or reader-voted chart purely for pre-releases, which would help keep the material fresh in these days of six-week radio lead-ins.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

'Do something to totally alienate the 40-60 parent age bracket like my dad who still insists on watching it as his sole portal into modern youth culture'

Can TOTP really afford to lose more viewers. My mum used to watch it all the time in the eighties back when it got 10 million viewers and she was that age bracket.

Kim Tortoise, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the fun for all the family aspect of totp has always been one of it's glories; if it ever loses the dad laughing at hayzee fantayzee while teenager fumes self righteously eternal loop then it truly is finished

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't the other problem that music is less visually entertaining these days? Compare Adam and the Ants to Westlife. Seems absurd, but both those groups are (or were) aimed at the same age group yet Adam and the Ants have done so much more to enrich TOTP, both visually and musically IMHO.

Kim Tortoise, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yes but so solid are more entertaining than sad cafe.

but it's agreed that adam and the ants were MENTAL what were they thinking of?

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

But Adam And The Ants appealed to boys too. Westlife etc do not. Thats a big problem.
And how can we expect TOTP's to show new entries when half the time R1 chart rundown doesnt play some singles. Just like commercial radio.
Thats part of the problem its almost as though TOTP's is trying to appeal to kids who like Dr Fox, rather than showing the best music in the chart, its trying to show what they think will appeal to kids.

Robin james, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

ah. just realised that that's possibly a poor choice of words regarding poor adam.

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

TOTP should have no truck whatsoever with concepts such as "best music on the charts".

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Also - change the set. It is horrid - too dark and dull. The Star Bar... is there anyone in the world who think that's a good idea?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Absolute and emphatic NO to enforced live singing - I don't trust a great many pop stars to pull it off.

Double emphatic NO to any attempt at making it more 'mature'. It's about pop trash.

But yes to making people do more interesting stuff on stage. Make the inclusion of at least one 'headfuck' act per show compulsory.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The groupies who hang around looking to get on tv?

Robin James, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not actually against a bit of celebrity profiling or question-asking - it's what the kids like. But I think it should be the same questions every week, so people know what to expect, and the questions should be quite thorny ones.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem is the show traditionally has to appeal to all ages. So it must appeal to people with these attitudes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3110803.stm
There's nothing wrong with TOTP, just the music being released today. It's all the same unfelt generic pop or dance rubbish. What happened to real songs performed by real bands, not sounds that have been sampled elsewhere? There has been an influx of good music recently with Electric Six and Evanescence releasing high-profile quality tracks, but then when you get stuff like the Fast Food Song coming into the charts, it completely takes any credibility behind the music industry away.
Jon Lipscombe, UK

Peter Andis, Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Still if Barney presented they could get all the acts on TOTPS to sing the 'I Love You' song just like the opening jam on 'Later...With Jools Holland'.

Martyn, Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

A lot of people say that young adults are violent, right? But how would you feel if you were old enough to have... intercourse with the partner of your choice... and yet you could not drink in pubs?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd love to hear Sue on Radio 1

"Well tell you what listeners, if you all go and tidy up your rooms I'll play the new single from 50 Cent!"

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

It's still all about the guy with the nosedrops or whatever that was about.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

he was sniffing glue Ned!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I think William 'Bloody' Swygart should present Top Of The Pops. With Sooty Sweep & Soo.

Robin James, Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

he was sniffing glue Ned!

That makes much more sense!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Well Ned, at least it makes a change from Felicity "Treacle" Kendal and Richard "Sugar-Flavoured-Snot" Briars, perpetuating the myth that everyone in England is a reactionary, middle-class stereotype!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Stewart you're talking about the woman i love


this thread reminds how U&K it is i get a video capture card so i can start flooding the net with grabbed TOTP performances of yesteryear

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, speaking as a feminist...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve - look what I've got in this washing bag....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

**"Pan's People please."
I think I've spotted a fatal flaw in this otherwise brilliant idea Dr. C.

You see.... they'll have kept getting older too!

Babs Lord (now Babs Powell of course) must be pushing 60 by now!

So, I'm afraid you're just going to have to settle for Fearne Cotton..... ;~)**

Fearne is lovely and is quite *70's* in a way, but the thought of PP gyrating to 'Philedelpia Freedom' makes me come over all..all..

But yes, Babs must be nearly 60, and looked pretty grim last time I saw her on TV - on one of those I Luv the 70's progs.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i fear Andi Peters will bring in Orla O'Rourke

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

[REST OF THREAD EXCISED FOR LEGAL REASONS]

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

just realised it ws me who provoked Tom's 'totp should have no truck wiwith concepts of best music'. you're absolutley right of course, i didn't mean there should be any sort of quality control. obviously it'd be nice if every week they had my seven favourite songs from that week's chart on, but you've got to admire the conceptual purity of them being forced to have mr blobby on for six concecutive weeks

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

BBC Radio 1 loses listeners!
Sara Cox will not be leaving as Radio 1 breakfast host
BBC Radio 1 has said it will look "long and hard" at its output after its weekly audience figures fell below 10 million during the last three months.


All radio: 43.6 million
All BBC: 31.9 million
All commercial: 31.4 million
BBC Radio 1: 9.8 million
BBC Radio 2: 13 million
BBC Radio 3: 2 million
BBC Radio 4: 9.6 million
BBC Radio Five Live: 5.8 million
Classic FM: 6.5 million
Capital: 7.6 million
Virgin Radio: 2.7 million
talkSPORT: 2.1 million

Gabe, Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"the thought of PP gyrating to 'Philedelpia Freedom' makes me come over all..all.."

Do you remember Legs & Co. dancing to The Clash's "Bankrobber"? I was laughing so hard I thought I was going to do meself a mischief!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I say let Ned Raggett and Alex In NYC present it.
Every band would need to honor the fire.

Ned Fan, Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw, I'm touched.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting piece by Jimmy Savile about this topic in this morning's Grauniad. Essentially, his remedy is: involve the audience more (as opposed to a sea of anonymous waving hands), allow the presenters to display some personality (according to JS, current presenters are instructed only to wear dark clothes so as not to conflict with the programme's supposed "coolness") - assuming of course that nonentities such as Liz Bonnin possess such a quality as "personality" - and try and make it a bit more of an event, as it used to be in the old days. Strangely enough, the old school BBC Variety Theatre offshoot which TOTP used to characterise (i.e. '70s onwards) kind of worked in the programme's favour - such that when all the punk bands came onto the show in '76/7, the fabled "grannies" watching actually were outraged (and probably enjoyed being outraged).

More pertinent solutions:
1. Do not whine about loss of ratings when you schedule it opposite Coronation Street.
2. Get rid of the EastEnders problem (pre-1985, TOTP was routinely 45-60 minutes long) - perhaps schedule for 8:00-9:00 on a Thursday, so as to catch and keep the EastEnders audience (yes, I know that presents BBC1 with The Bill problem, but Holby City's done pretty well against The Bill on Tuesdays. Market it correctly and it will work).
3. Get rid of anonymous call centre presenters and employ people with personality, using the example of Ant & Dec on CD:TV as a template.
4. Stop trying to be "cool." TOTP's essence is naff family viewing, which makes it all the more compelling when a band like the Pistols or the Mondays gatecrash the studio.
5. Stick to the Top 40, which currently isn't in too bad a state, qualitatively speaking.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

1) Employ Dermot O'Leary to present it.
2) Stop kids buying crap records
3) er, that's it...

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Definitely get people who will openly mock the featured acts.

They should also do a segment where viewers' parents comment on the quality of the music on show.

Nick H, Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"I say let Ned Raggett and Alex In NYC present it."

Sorry Ned, I think you'd be far too polite and restrained.

Alex In NYC howling with apocalyptic fury at trembling 12 year old schoolgirls because they wanted to see S-Club; or threatening to bring down plagues that would make the ones in the Bible look mild and unimaginative by comparison if anyone dared to dishonour the fire by buying the new Steps single so that it appeared in the following week's chart 'though.... yeah, I think that might just work!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Peters does have a thing for bringing in the new types. I can't remember anything June Sarpong, Dermot O'Leary or The Popworld Two did before they were on T4. Vernon Kay had been on FBi, the BBC's attempt to try and flog Fully Booked's dead horse a wee bit longer... didn't really work, but him and June became very, very popular indeed on T4.

also - Peters still has a foot in the door at Capital. XFM & Capital DJ's, as such, may well get thrown into the mix... as such, I think Shaun Keaveny is a probable.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"And tonight on Top Of The Pops we have Killing Joke, Motorhead, The Stranglers, Kiss and Iron Maiden.

The scheduled appearances by The Corrs and The Dave Matthews Band have had to be postponed indefinitely because the presenter has accidently violently attacked a number of fans of those bands with a large ceremonial sword.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry to reiterate this, but The Popworld Two MUST present any revamped TOTP. Otherwise Marcello is absolutely correct, though I'd be flabbergasted if they let it run for 60 minutes nowadays.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't see an hour happening. Saturday schedules should show why, cos we get this:

The Secrets Of Magic
Sat 2 Aug, 8:35 pm - 9:30 pm 55mins

Nick Knowles invites a celebrity panel to uncover the secrets behind the tricks and illusions of his team of magicians.

BBC One seems to be superglued to the policy of going with what it knows, and letting anything other than Fame Academy or their flagship dramas have an hour in the week wouldn't fall into that bracket. As Marcello called it, it's the Eastenders problem, in that there must be at least one half hour show to fit around it. BBC One's weeknight schedules cling to DIY, Gardening, and Watchdog spin-offs like the plague. Cowey's view that TV Pop shows are only for kids seem to be the norm at the channel. They are scared.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe if there was presenters that non kids can identify with then older viewers may watch. Parents just dont watch TOTPS with the kids like they did when I was a boy.
Perhaps the problem however is that non teenage girls just dont buy singles in the quantity that they did years ago. The record industry can only take blame for that with their marketing at kids that are younger and younger while Capital gold is aimed at older people who dont have any interest in anything new.
The only time singles sales and TOTPS viewing figures went up in the last 15 years was during britpop.

Peter Andis, Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet teenage girls don't buy singles in the quantities they used to either. Doesn't the slide in singles sales mean more unusual stuff in the charts rather than less?

I agree with Marcello pretty much entirely (with the proviso that presenters with character means Simon & Miquita) but am flabbergasted by the thought that ToTP was longer pre-1985. Is that true? I have no memory of that at all. I guess you know better than I do but I thought it went 7pm ToTP 8pm Tomorrow's World. This is not important obv.

I don't rate Vernon or June.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 31 July 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Some also say chart music was far better before 1985. Don't suppose anyone here will agree with that point though.
Who does buy singles these days anyway?
Should TOTPS also include the new entries in the Album charts as well as Dance/Heavy Rock/Rnb/Indie charts?
I can't see the BBC EVER allowing more than 30-35 mins for TOTPS. They know fine well adults (and kids) who watch Eastenders will turn over to watch Corrie.
Perhaps if TOTPS was on a sunday and was to include the actual charts it could run 7-8pm ? The midweek chart tells you who is going to be in the chart anyway. Friday is such a long time away from when the chart was anounced the previous sunday.

Peter Andis, Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like Vernon and June either, I was just using them as illustrative examples of what Mr Peters might do.

I was thinking of something a minute ago. Can't remember what though.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no recollection of TOTP being longer pre 1985, but then I was only nine .

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Nudity. There's a severe lack of nudity. How on earth can TOTP expect to compete with the far superior programmes on Bravo, Men and Motors and TVX unless it starts showing some skin? It should be mandatory for Beyonce, Kylie, Mariah and the big stars to at least shed something, whilst the up and comers (i.e. Gemma Hayes, Girls Aloud) should have to go the full monty to secure a place on the programme.

And before you jump down my neck, the fact is if my suggestions were to come to fruition you'd all bloody well watch it wouldn't you?

Calz (Calz), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

hasn't radio 1's top 40 show with bland wes, now able to play whatever they like in the top 40 and not the complete top 40 , like they should?

top of the pops should always play the number one - regardless (because it's , duh, top of the pops) new entries, high climbers - no non movers or falling down 3 places. also something from the high midweek sellers who'll feature in the top 40, maybe, the following week. maybe take a risk and play something by something hovering outside the top 40, like they did with heaven 17's play to win and human league's rock'n'roll.

revamp the graphics and set. change the theme tune. try and get something timeless as a theme - something immediately identifiable as being top of the pops' theme. not some throwaway piece of music that will date before the end of the month. (eg - the popworld music)

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Ned, I think you'd be far too polite and restrained.

You'd think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Just keep Dr Fox and Simon Cowell away from it.

Peter Church, Friday, 1 August 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

My memory is that TOTP was ALWAYS 30 minutes. I haf been watching since January 15th 1971.

It was always 7.30-8.00 as now (After Tomorrow's World).

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 1 August 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

original 'WHole Lotta Love' is probably the best TOTP theme, but i have fondness for 'Yellow Pearl' even tho it seems totally inappropriate now - 'The Wizard' is the one from MY TOTP viewing days as a kid i guess. They changed the theme in 1992 to that dreadful nondescript 'Saturday morning' style thing and unless I'm forgetting something they stuck with that until the remixed 'Whole Lotta Love' came back a few years ago. Overall I think the current theme and graphics are pretty spot on.

Maybe they could introduce more interactive elements into the show - having the audience vote for best performance, or a 'battle of the bands' type thing, or better yet voting a song to be deleted, heh

stevem (blueski), Friday, 1 August 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"I haf been watching since January 15th 1971."

Are you sure you don't mean January 14th?

January 15th 1971 was a Friday and (apart from the initial 6 week pilot run I believe) TOTP was always on a Thursday.

Ooooh I don't know what's wrong with me today but I'm in a horribly nit-picking mood, I really am!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 1 August 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they should forget the sales chart and have everything decided by txtmsg vote - kinda like the Flaunt chart that Channel 5 use.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 1 August 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Would that make any difference Jerry? Either way the outcome would be decided principally by teenage schoolgirls!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 1 August 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Pop is supposed to be principally decided by teenage schoolgirls!

But I actually think it would enfranchise more people besides the TSGs. Loads of people have opinions about pop and what's in the charts without feeling any need to actually buy the product. Potentially it could create a public conversation about pop in the same way you get about Big Brother evictions. The Flaunt chart is actually pretty interesting in the way that songs go up and down the chart and have some kind of life beyond the way that songs are spunked into the sales charts for one week by marketing budgets.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 1 August 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking hell Osborne!!

I just picked the date 15th at random! I was only one day out!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaaaaah but how do we know you were only 1 day out? For all I know you could be 6 days out!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I can find out!! I'd like to know the running order of the whole show - I bet it's on the web somewhere. I think the Move were on doing California Man. I remember singing it as we lined up to go swimming at school the next day. I can remember what I had for tea - my mum's cheesy fish pie. Life was much simpler in 1971.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheesy Fish Pie? Yeeeeeuchhhh!!! That sounds revolting!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i can probably find out who was on what Top Of The Pops and when thanks to my sauces at the Beeb - mail me with your requests if you have them

stevem (blueski), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

7-8pm on Sunday on BBC Three ToTP - decent regular present plus a guest. This then gets boiled down into BBC One TOTP on Thursday or Friday (best presenters, best interviews) with the idea that the Sunday kids will say - cripes did you see Zombie Nation - etc etc,

Most importantly for dance acts who don't really exist have an Adam and Joe-esque puppet montage, or interpretive dance or something really stupid. And continue this for Travis too.

If a band can't make it, its up to TOTP to take the piss out of them a bit (maybe a miming band of none lookalikes).

Pete (Pete), Friday, 1 August 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Just show new entries in the top 20 and whatever hasnt gone down in the top 10. Have some giveaway prizes in a competition where you need to text the answers in by end of programme. That will get kids watching and satying til the end of the show.

Rachel, Friday, 1 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Goldflaps, ahem, Goldfrapp - naked in the corner of the screen during every programme. That'll do it.

Calz (Calz), Friday, 1 August 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)


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