Fugazi: C or D?

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So, some bit of odd, pathetic nostalgia has had me reliving the indie rock 90s lately, and out came the Fugazi records...surprisingly, they hold up a helluva a lot better than I thought they would having not listened to them in about two or three years...maybe just the otherwise paucity of good rawk music these days...

So: Fugazi, classic or dud?

Jess, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, that's not indie, that's EMO! I liked Repeater and that Waiting Room song, but most of it is not good. One song that sticks in my head goes something like, "(YEAH!)you're so beautiful, (YEAH!)so blahblahble, (YEAH!)you something something right through you." What song is that?

nUde SPock, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

duplicate thread!

(the song, spock, is "margin walker.")

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Fugazi = "emo?" WTF????

These days the term "emo" is like the Blob/Borg, threatening to absord everything in its path: "I really like emo, you know, like the Beatles and Moby."

Nitsuh, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

How Fugazi can get called emo, when Superchunk (a group that sounds much more like those damn emo bands, though 1 bazillion times better) escapes such damning praise...

No, sir, I don't like it one bit.

David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Margin Walker" is my favorite Fugazi song; I can't stand the vocals most of the time though. East coast emo was invented by the bands that invented Fugazi, so it's not much of a stretch to call Fugazi emo. That's what I'd call them, but then I don't like Fugazi.

Kris, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Emo core?

Nude Spock, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Emo-core" = what people called it before they started using it to describe so many bands that it saved time to just say "emo."

I think it's the only genre term I've ever seen change completely over the course of 4-5 years. I suppose that can be blamed, in part, on the people making it -- the term started with just-post-hardcore bands like Cap'N Jazz and would up stuck on bashy- poppy-punk bands like the Promise Ring (members of Cap'N Jazz). Regardless, any term variously applied to refer to Mineral, Karate, and the Get-Up Kids is beginning to lack meaning.

But so the question now is: with the Cap'N Jazz guys reforming as the Owls, will "emo" go back to being what it was, leaving the Get-Up Kids as just "crap?" Or will the Owls play funk, leading us to start referring to Parliament as "emo?"

Nitsuh, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

since when are fugazi emo? huh? huh? did i sleep thru a new genre...i thought emo was rotten new skool punk rockers writing break up songs.

riff, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

fugazi are great until they start that tedious stop start shit. They tend to over use that one. However I can't think of many other bands that do try to push their melodic side, one of the best dual guitar bands around. I wish they'd change their drum sound, I hate that nu metal snare!

tom, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The first band I heard get the emo tag was Fugazi, quickly followed by North of America who Fugazi were being used as a reference for me. I said what and she said Trueman's Water, Sunny Day Real Estate. I said I still dont know. Now I think Trail of The Dead qualify as emo but I dunno, its all Alt Country to me.

zacko, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Fugazi: classic.

Emo: supposed to have started with Rites of Spring is my understanding, who led to Fugazi. Now the term is meaningless, for reasons laid out expertly by Nitsuh.

North of America: not emo at all. Math rock, pure math rock.

Matthew Lazowski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Math emo that is.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

^^Not showing up for me. What is it?

JRN, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:05 (three years ago) link


Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:43 (three years ago) link

I love how Albini said for years that Fugazi was one of the few bands he respected so much he'd record them for free. And then he recorded them and they didn't use it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:32 (three years ago) link

Hmm. I can sorta see why they scrapped this, but I say that as someone very, very familiar with IOTKT as it was released

Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:39 (three years ago) link

But none of these versions are better than the album versions

(see also: First Demo. How many times have you listened to that one since you bought it?)

Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:40 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

Ian Mackaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat/ Dischord Records at the #JuggaloMarch pic.twitter.com/acrebJ4zCd

— #retiredpunk (@NickKarpPhotos) September 17, 2017


JRN, Monday, 18 September 2017 19:36 (two years ago) link

Saw that! Watched Brendan Canty playing drums with Lizzi from GangGang Dance & guitarist Dana Vorhees at the Hirshhorn Museum Yoko Ono tribute. Canty & Joe Lally will be backing Daniel Johnston on his upcoming DC gig.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:01 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Koolest Wizards jumbotron screengrab of all time? pic.twitter.com/XV6Xt4R8D1

— Chris _ _ Richards (@Chris__Richards) November 10, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:53 (two years ago) link

Also, had no idea Lally and Canty were in a new band together.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:57 (two years ago) link

(With Anthony Pirog)

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:58 (two years ago) link

& Rites of Spring really surprised me

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:18 (two years ago) link

Welp, that rules.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:28 (two years ago) link

three months pass...


new canty/lally/pirog track

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:32 (one year ago) link

Another track here https://themessthetics.bandcamp.com/track/serpent-tongue

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (one year ago) link

Messthetics album release is March 23. Brendan Canty is also gonna be busy touring with MC5 50th anniversary group with Wayne Kramer and others

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:43 (one year ago) link

End hits fucking rules

kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:47 (one year ago) link


I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

all fugazi albums rule

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:30 (one year ago) link

Steady Diet of Nothing doesn't imo but that's about it

albvivertine, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:24 (one year ago) link

No, that one rules, too. A lot.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:34 (one year ago) link

Steady Diet a lot better than End Hits - the former a much better showcase for the rhythm section, which is the band's strongest point.

(what I mean is the instrumental-side of Fugazi is better in the context of short, tightly wound interplay where the bass/drums are at the forefront - 'jammy' Fugazi isn't the best Fugazi IMO)

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:37 (one year ago) link

i'd call red medicine jammy, end hits i guess is playing-wise but towards much more frictive ends? anyway that era is my favorite of theirs, i think the rhythm section gets plenty of shine and the compositions especially on end hits hit a great balance of punch and spaciousness (both of which iirc steady diet lacks a bit i comparison to their other records variously, though it still rules)

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:51 (one year ago) link

the argument hits that balance the most smoothly and so might be their best (it's a good record to end on as it ties together strands of their previous modes to creates its own). i listen to it less though bc i love their jammy mode

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:08 (one year ago) link

There is a case to be made that The Argument=Red Medicine/End Hits. End Hits is the one I listen to the least, for no good reason.

In On The Kill Taker is the band's most aggro album. "Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 13:56 (one year ago) link

...and their best, IMO. Probably their loudest album but also more dynamically nuanced than the earlier stuff. Plus "Sweet and Low" (an example of why I'm iffy about the longer, later material - they perfected the "this is a Fugazi instrumental" here)

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:07 (one year ago) link

"Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!

ah but Facet Squared includes one of my absolute favourite Ian lines - "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:08 (one year ago) link

I love the lyrics to Facet Squared. 'Cool's eternal but it's always dated' has the ring of a stolen revealed truth.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah, but did you catch any of those lyrics without a lyrics sheet?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:52 (one year ago) link

Steady Diet is the one that most consistently slays from beginning to end imo. Maybe others have higher highs but it's still my favorite to play in the car.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:11 (one year ago) link

xp "Irony is the refuge of the educated" was a line ahead of its time imo

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:12 (one year ago) link

That and "I hate the sound of guitars" are the fugazi lyrics I think about most

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:13 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Messthetics LP is awesome, gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:46 (one year ago) link

Good podcast interview w/Ian about some of the music that mattered to him: http://wypr.org/post/essential-tremors-ian-mackaye

Fugazi rules. my first album of theirs was "Red Medicine" and i was shocked it was only $10. soon enough picked up "Repeater" and listened to those two a lot in my first year of college. kept up with them off an on and always enjoyed their stuff. i remember really liking the "Instrument" movie, which was the last thing i heard of them.

i got to see them play a show in early 2000s. it was of course a great show, and they stopped it midway through to throw out somebody in the audience who was being unduly aggressive. as a small person who always had to be cautious around mosh pits at shows, seeing this in action was very much appreciated!

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

No one wants to discuss this Mesthetics record, huh? Quit living in the past!

Mostly kidding here. But this record is great and should be getting more attention.

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (one year ago) link

Fuck it, I'm starting a thread

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (one year ago) link

Fugazi opening for Marillion would have been the greatest gig ever, obv.

Position Position, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:20 (one year ago) link

Fugazi were big enough to play the Barrowlands in Glasgow as far back as the Repeater tour, there were four bands (including the mighty Dawson) iirc for £6 and that might have helped somewhat.

MaresNest, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:54 (one year ago) link

Yeah Dawson were pretty great. Saw them somewhere around the turn of the 90s, may have been tied in with the Membranes network.

Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:58 (one year ago) link

I saw Fugazi at the Brixton Academy in I think 1992, £5 tickets or something like that as they always kept it affordable. Didn't like them as I recall but hey at least it didn't set me back much.

GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:00 (one year ago) link

I also saw Marillion at the same venue on the Fugazi tour lol

GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:01 (one year ago) link

That Fugazi/Dawson Barrowlands show was £5 (£3 for the unemployed) and also had Silverfish and Chumbawamba on the bill.

Dawson were great that night.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:03 (one year ago) link

Time in Glasgow before that was the Mayfair with Dawson and the Stretchheads, which is some bill.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:05 (one year ago) link

I'm not entirely sure Fugazi ever opened for anyone.

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:13 PM (one hour ago)


Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:53 (one year ago) link

heh, debut gig makes sense for sure

Besides being one of the only times that the DC punk legends opened a show

I wonder what the other ones were?

sleeve, Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:57 (one year ago) link

Their second show (first as a 4-piece) was opening for Kingface:

Elderly chapel hill/carrboro punkers may recognize the Slush Puppies as Mac Superchunk's pre-WWAX band.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:00 (one year ago) link

cool, thanks!

sleeve, Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:14 (one year ago) link

Fridge and Mule Club both had ceased to be by the turn of the 90s at least hadn't they?

Dunno about the Mule Club but the Fridge didn't close til 2010 (although I hadn't been there since 2001), the Electric Brixton is there now but doesn't have any link to the Fridge club. Before the Fridge it was the Brixton Ace (used to have a lot of hardcore/anarcho punk gigs there, Conflict/Exploited/etc)

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:17 (one year ago) link

Mule Club was the one hosted by the avant rock band God in the pub behind the fire station. Can't remember its name.
Was the stageless place that once had a review with one guy having to drag up a chair to stage dive off.
was on every Friday night and had some great bands at.

Stevolende, Sunday, 28 October 2018 12:07 (one year ago) link

Canterbury Arms. They used to put shows on at the Queen's Head sometimes as well.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:00 (one year ago) link

First saw Fugazi at Brixton Academy on the Red Medicine tour. They were amazing, but my overwhelming memory is of watching a guy who was truly shit-faced drunk running into the toilets, slipping and ending up head-first in the urinal, steeped in piss, and thinking, "That's not very straight-edge, is it?"

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:53 (one year ago) link

Fugazi is the band I most regret never seeing live.

A friend saw them once and he got drunk and spent the show making out with an equally drunk woman and felt deep shame about this afterward

joygoat, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:56 (one year ago) link

got to see them three times but the first time on the Repeater tour was the best, they opened with "Blueprint" and closed with "Glue Man" and god damn they were great.

sleeve, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:18 (one year ago) link

what's weird is that they are one of my favorite bands of all time, and I think I saw them three times. And yet barely remember any of the shows.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:25 (one year ago) link

Halfway to a reunion

I really want to hear what a Fugazi "Division Bell" type late career record would sound like.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:11 (one year ago) link

Joe and Brendan already play in that other band, with that skronk jazz guitarist. Let me know when Guy gets back into it and I'll believe they are getting their chops in order.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:14 (one year ago) link

yeah IDG why they want to waste time with that wanker but won't reunite

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:15 (one year ago) link

I saw the MC50 reunion deal the other night and my friend I was with joked pre-show "I wonder if Brendan will have the bell with him in the kit" and we laughed but sure enough he did and I weirdly got chills. Seeing the bell was basically the best part of the show!

Having said that a Brendan Canty-Billy Gould-Kim Thayil band would be fucking amazing based on that gig though.

When Kramer intro'd the band, the roar in Mpls for Brendan & Fugazi was huge, twice as loud as for Soundgarden, easy.

I don't really want Fugazi to reunite, I would completely go if they did.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:27 (one year ago) link

Hope they never reunite tbh

I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:54 (one year ago) link

I do wish more bands would break up and stay broken up.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:57 (one year ago) link

Was there not a quote in a fairly recent interview with one of Fugazi along the lines that they get together and play for fun every now and then? I’m all for that, playing music together when they get a chance but without it having to Be Something.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:14 (one year ago) link

Yeah, they have all said at various times that they get together to jam and what not. I might have posted earlier that I know someone who knows Guy, and he is always teasing Guy about not reuniting Fugazi, and Guy always, maybe with false modesty maybe who knows, claims that no one is really that interested, and if they did it would have to be pretty much all new material, but the amount of effort it would take to drum up all the material and be up to snuff musically might be too much. Having seen Joe and Brendan play in that lark recently, they seem pretty up to snuff.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link

I think Guy lives in NYC these days, while the rest are in the DC area.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 14:13 (one year ago) link

Saw the unnamed Ian, Amy, and Joe band in DC (free show though donations encourage to a church's feed the homeless program). They were just ok-- a mix of Evens like vocals, some Fugazi like vocals from Ian, and fugazi style dub reggae influenced bass and drum rhythms. I was kinda hoping they'd go off in different directions than their prior outfits, but that mostly didn't happen. Most of the comments on Facebook and twitter I saw were more positive than mine about their sound btw (although a few folks i spoke to agreed with me). I liked Fugazi back in the day, but this is just kinda there. Oh Guy came down from NY to watch. Lotsa of other Dischord and DC punk folks there too -- from Bratmobile, Fire Party, Priests, Kingface...

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:28 (one year ago) link

This made my day. #minorthreat #saladdays #dischordrecords. pic.twitter.com/CAdF854uB2

— bernie (@bernie) November 17, 2018

j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 04:56 (one year ago) link


The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 November 2018 13:21 (one year ago) link

Senior Threat

curmudgeon, Saturday, 17 November 2018 13:49 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Messthetics record is good! they're supporting Michael Rother in london in a few weeks, should be a good night.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:02 (one year ago) link

I had a hilariously mundane dream about these guys a week or so ago, that I missed a one-off reunion show and was reading really good things about it on the internet.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:40 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

What a band.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 20:15 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...


Let us all work to get Fugazi to reunite, play at our Arena, we will compensate the band, and make a major donation to local charities in their names, it has been too long. They resonate well with all generations, we miss them. Check this out. https://t.co/c7HcqHWY4l

— Ted Leonsis (@TedLeonsis) May 13, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 13 May 2019 16:14 (nine months ago) link


"Hope they play Glue Man. No slam-dancing in the pit!"

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Monday, 13 May 2019 18:19 (nine months ago) link

Billionaire Caps & Wizards owner Leonsis is clueless and cheap. While his predecessor the late Abe Pollin built the Capital One Arena largely with his own money, Leonsis is always hitting up DC taxpayers for $ to upgrade the arena, and to pay for the SE Mystics WNBA Arena. The Se Fort Dupont recreation arena needs big bucks to be refurbished & Leonis gave just 100,000 as part of a go fund me.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 01:30 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...


MaresNest, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:56 (seven months ago) link

LOL, Alice Donut. My friend got his shoulder dislocated at one of their shows.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:06 (seven months ago) link

seven months pass...


Ian & Joe from Fugazi plus Amy Farina ( who was in Evens with Ian). A hybrid of those 2 groups. 1 song out now, album coming. At DC area gigs they were requesting no video.

Formed in 2015, Coriky did not play their first show until 2018. They have recorded one album. They hope to tour.



1. Clean Kill
2. Hard to Explain
3. Say Yes
4. Have a Cup of Tea
5. Too Many Husbands
6. BQM
7. Last Thing
8. Jack Says
9. Shedileebop
10. Inauguration Day
11. Woulda Coulda

coriky will play some shows...

contact: disch✧✧✧@disch✧✧✧.c✧✧

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:31 (one week ago) link

the drumming on that could be better imo, but I like it better than the Evens based on that track.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:25 (one week ago) link

I like the drumming! though it is closer to Fugazi than the Evens so might start drawing comparisons to one of the great rhythm sections in rock history which isn't totally fair imo

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:29 (one week ago) link

the drumming is great

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:30 (one week ago) link

vocal harmonies on the chorus are great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:49 (one week ago) link

Haven’t listened to the recorded stuff, but I saw Coricky a few months ago and her drumming was probably the most interesting element.

circa1916, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:50 (one week ago) link

They hope to tour.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 22:46 (one week ago) link

They have a few gigs coming up in DC, VA, Pa.

Ian’s guitar chords and vocals are too drawn from Fugazi for me. Glad Farina’s vocals are there

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 23:00 (one week ago) link

I am loving this

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 12:24 (one week ago) link

Amy's a great drummer, with incredible touch. I thought the first two Evens records were really fresh. Last one was a bit of a bummer and I worried that it was all over. Very psyched to check this out.

stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:25 (one week ago) link

yeah I liked the Evens first record a lot

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 14:15 (one week ago) link

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