So: Fugazi, classic or dud?
― Jess, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― nUde SPock, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
(the song, spock, is "margin walker.")
― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
These days the term "emo" is like the Blob/Borg, threatening to absord everything in its path: "I really like emo, you know, like the Beatles and Moby."
― Nitsuh, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
No, sir, I don't like it one bit.
― David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Kris, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Nude Spock, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
I think it's the only genre term I've ever seen change completely over the course of 4-5 years. I suppose that can be blamed, in part, on the people making it -- the term started with just-post-hardcore bands like Cap'N Jazz and would up stuck on bashy- poppy-punk bands like the Promise Ring (members of Cap'N Jazz). Regardless, any term variously applied to refer to Mineral, Karate, and the Get-Up Kids is beginning to lack meaning.
But so the question now is: with the Cap'N Jazz guys reforming as the Owls, will "emo" go back to being what it was, leaving the Get-Up Kids as just "crap?" Or will the Owls play funk, leading us to start referring to Parliament as "emo?"
― riff, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― tom, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― zacko, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Emo: supposed to have started with Rites of Spring is my understanding, who led to Fugazi. Now the term is meaningless, for reasons laid out expertly by Nitsuh.
North of America: not emo at all. Math rock, pure math rock.
― Matthew Lazowski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs&feature=share
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:32 (two years ago) Permalink
^^Not showing up for me. What is it?
― JRN, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:05 (two years ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:43 (two years ago) Permalink
I love how Albini said for years that Fugazi was one of the few bands he respected so much he'd record them for free. And then he recorded them and they didn't use it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:32 (two years ago) Permalink
Hmm. I can sorta see why they scrapped this, but I say that as someone very, very familiar with IOTKT as it was released
― Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:39 (two years ago) Permalink
But none of these versions are better than the album versions
(see also: First Demo. How many times have you listened to that one since you bought it?)
― Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:40 (two years ago) Permalink
Ian Mackaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat/ Dischord Records at the #JuggaloMarch pic.twitter.com/acrebJ4zCd— #retiredpunk (@NickKarpPhotos) September 17, 2017
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/018/MI0002018821.jpg
― JRN, Monday, 18 September 2017 19:36 (one year ago) Permalink
Saw that! Watched Brendan Canty playing drums with Lizzi from GangGang Dance & guitarist Dana Vorhees at the Hirshhorn Museum Yoko Ono tribute. Canty & Joe Lally will be backing Daniel Johnston on his upcoming DC gig.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:01 (one year ago) Permalink
Koolest Wizards jumbotron screengrab of all time? pic.twitter.com/XV6Xt4R8D1— Chris _ _ Richards (@Chris__Richards) November 10, 2017
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink
Also, had no idea Lally and Canty were in a new band together.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:57 (one year ago) Permalink
(With Anthony Pirog)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink
& Rites of Spring really surprised me
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:18 (one year ago) Permalink
Welp, that rules.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:28 (one year ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0nFZe_e-qc
new canty/lally/pirog track
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:32 (nine months ago) Permalink
Another track here https://themessthetics.bandcamp.com/track/serpent-tongue
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (nine months ago) Permalink
Messthetics album release is March 23. Brendan Canty is also gonna be busy touring with MC5 50th anniversary group with Wayne Kramer and others
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:43 (nine months ago) Permalink
End hits fucking rules
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:47 (nine months ago) Permalink
^otm
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:17 (nine months ago) Permalink
all fugazi albums rule
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:30 (nine months ago) Permalink
Steady Diet of Nothing doesn't imo but that's about it
― albvivertine, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:24 (nine months ago) Permalink
No, that one rules, too. A lot.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:34 (nine months ago) Permalink
Steady Diet a lot better than End Hits - the former a much better showcase for the rhythm section, which is the band's strongest point.
(what I mean is the instrumental-side of Fugazi is better in the context of short, tightly wound interplay where the bass/drums are at the forefront - 'jammy' Fugazi isn't the best Fugazi IMO)
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:37 (nine months ago) Permalink
i'd call red medicine jammy, end hits i guess is playing-wise but towards much more frictive ends? anyway that era is my favorite of theirs, i think the rhythm section gets plenty of shine and the compositions especially on end hits hit a great balance of punch and spaciousness (both of which iirc steady diet lacks a bit i comparison to their other records variously, though it still rules)
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:51 (nine months ago) Permalink
the argument hits that balance the most smoothly and so might be their best (it's a good record to end on as it ties together strands of their previous modes to creates its own). i listen to it less though bc i love their jammy mode
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:08 (nine months ago) Permalink
There is a case to be made that The Argument=Red Medicine/End Hits. End Hits is the one I listen to the least, for no good reason.
In On The Kill Taker is the band's most aggro album. "Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 13:56 (nine months ago) Permalink
...and their best, IMO. Probably their loudest album but also more dynamically nuanced than the earlier stuff. Plus "Sweet and Low" (an example of why I'm iffy about the longer, later material - they perfected the "this is a Fugazi instrumental" here)
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:07 (nine months ago) Permalink
"Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!
ah but Facet Squared includes one of my absolute favourite Ian lines - "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"
― papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:08 (nine months ago) Permalink
I love the lyrics to Facet Squared. 'Cool's eternal but it's always dated' has the ring of a stolen revealed truth.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:29 (nine months ago) Permalink
Yeah, but did you catch any of those lyrics without a lyrics sheet?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:52 (nine months ago) Permalink
Steady Diet is the one that most consistently slays from beginning to end imo. Maybe others have higher highs but it's still my favorite to play in the car.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:11 (nine months ago) Permalink
xp "Irony is the refuge of the educated" was a line ahead of its time imo
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:12 (nine months ago) Permalink
That and "I hate the sound of guitars" are the fugazi lyrics I think about most
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:13 (nine months ago) Permalink
Messthetics LP is awesome, gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:46 (eight months ago) Permalink
Good podcast interview w/Ian about some of the music that mattered to him: http://wypr.org/post/essential-tremors-ian-mackaye
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:56 (eight months ago) Permalink
Fugazi rules. my first album of theirs was "Red Medicine" and i was shocked it was only $10. soon enough picked up "Repeater" and listened to those two a lot in my first year of college. kept up with them off an on and always enjoyed their stuff. i remember really liking the "Instrument" movie, which was the last thing i heard of them.
i got to see them play a show in early 2000s. it was of course a great show, and they stopped it midway through to throw out somebody in the audience who was being unduly aggressive. as a small person who always had to be cautious around mosh pits at shows, seeing this in action was very much appreciated!
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:06 (eight months ago) Permalink
No one wants to discuss this Mesthetics record, huh? Quit living in the past!
Mostly kidding here. But this record is great and should be getting more attention.
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (eight months ago) Permalink
Fuck it, I'm starting a thread
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/fugazi-returns-through-opera/
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:36 (seven months ago) Permalink
The 100-minute performance, created with the band’s approval and endorsement, samples the sounds of “random feedback, aimless drum noodling, pre-show activist speeches, audience hecklers, and the police breaking up gigs” found in the countless hours of archival Fugazi live recordings in existence.
One of the clips heard there was a little peal of guitar feedback and some drum clatter and I was "oh that's Fugazi" in about two seconds
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:39 (seven months ago) Permalink
wow, thanks
― sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:40 (seven months ago) Permalink
I got to see them a few times in Chicago, and once I think at Fort Reno in DC, though the fact I can't remember the DC show that well makes me think maybe I didnt and it was someone else. I wish I was 5 years older because I probably would have seen them a lot more.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:48 (seven months ago) Permalink
I must have been at that Brixton gig. Still one of the best live shows I've ever seen. I was probably a little wasted, but I don't *think* I got pissed on.
my other main memory, beyond it being awesome, was of a reveller bounding onstage, and MacKaye grabbing him by the neck, pushing him to the side of the stage, and then walloping him with his guitar.
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:10 (seven months ago) Permalink
And SGs have all those pointy bits too.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:17 (seven months ago) Permalink
I'm still not sure Ian did it, or if the passage of time has made me romanticise my memory of it.
The show was fucking amazing, though. Guy was like a ballerina, the Nijinsky of punk rock. So glad I got to see them as many times as I did.
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:37 (seven months ago) Permalink
Just sayin' ...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1950118003/fort-reno-concert-series-50th-anniversary-fundrais?ref=project_build
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 June 2018 17:09 (six months ago) Permalink
I finished the Gross book last night and it was good. He's a good writer and has a good handle on the subject, Fugazi are, in spite of their rep, a kind of catty/funny band, at least when talking about themselves. I liked how he built up a context for the record and then broke down each song.
I think it could have stood one more editorial pass, it is sort of littered with typos which was kind of annoying. And there was the odd weird line, like the Davis/Van Gelder, Dre/Jay-Z one mentioned earlier which I don't think was a mistake exactly as much as a clumsy analogy. There were a couple things like that that could have used a tweak.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 12:43 (five months ago) Permalink
Ian Mackaye and Amy Farina (from Evens, husband & wife) did 2 songs unbilled for free at Fort Reno Park in DC last night as part of the 50th anniversary season of free concerts there (bring food, and dogs but no alcohol...7 to 9:45 pm local bands Monday & Thursdays in July and part of August). They started with a Lungfish cover and then went into another song. Lungfish one was kinda dirge-like but melodic(with mostly just Amy singing), second one was more fast-tempoed (more Ian-like) with Ian's guitar louder, and Amy on lead vocals but Ian chiming in as well vocally.
The Messthetics (w/ Brendan and Joe from Fugazi) were at Fort Reno the week before.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:18 (four months ago) Permalink
The other night during a World Series game at Fenway Park they played part of Fugazi "Waiting Room" as the umps were waiting for a review of a challenged umpire call. The organist there picks the songs and he has played that one before
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:26 (one month ago) Permalink
I'm intrigued by Brixton venues in the mid 90s. I thought most of the ones i was familiar with from the 80s had closed down before i left london.Were Fugazi big enough for the Academy.
Fridge and Mule Club both had ceased to be by the turn of the 90s at least hadn't they?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink
I swam Fugazi at the Academy in, I think '94. Probably my favourite gig.
Saw the Beta Band at the Fridge in, bloody hell, 2001?
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:30 (one month ago) Permalink
Swam! Christ. Saw, obvs.
Supporting Marillion is what I'm seeing listed.Odd combination?Though I think they had a song called fugazi or something similar didn't they?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:35 (one month ago) Permalink
Tell a lie, 1995: https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series/london-england-51395
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:38 (one month ago) Permalink
xp Or not as the case may be, that was Marillion touring their lp of the title.I guess London is a lot larger than places i lived later so a band like Fugazi might have just been big enough to headline by the mid 90s.JUst wasn't thinking of them being taht large since the last place I think I saw them was McGonagles. NOt sure fi i saw them again after that which was the first time I went to Dublin.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:41 (one month ago) Permalink
I'm not entirely sure Fugazi ever opened for anyone.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:13 (one month ago) Permalink
you might be right!
― portugal. the bland (sleeve), Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:17 (one month ago) Permalink
Fugazi opening for Marillion would have been the greatest gig ever, obv.
― Position Position, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:20 (one month ago) Permalink
Fugazi were big enough to play the Barrowlands in Glasgow as far back as the Repeater tour, there were four bands (including the mighty Dawson) iirc for £6 and that might have helped somewhat.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:54 (one month ago) Permalink
Yeah Dawson were pretty great. Saw them somewhere around the turn of the 90s, may have been tied in with the Membranes network.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:58 (one month ago) Permalink
I saw Fugazi at the Brixton Academy in I think 1992, £5 tickets or something like that as they always kept it affordable. Didn't like them as I recall but hey at least it didn't set me back much.
― GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:00 (one month ago) Permalink
I also saw Marillion at the same venue on the Fugazi tour lol
― GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink
That Fugazi/Dawson Barrowlands show was £5 (£3 for the unemployed) and also had Silverfish and Chumbawamba on the bill.
Dawson were great that night.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:03 (one month ago) Permalink
Time in Glasgow before that was the Mayfair with Dawson and the Stretchheads, which is some bill.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:05 (one month ago) Permalink
I'm not entirely sure Fugazi ever opened for anyone.― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:13 PM (one hour ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:13 PM (one hour ago)
https://noisey.vice.com/en_au/article/kzz9mx/30-years-ago-fugazi-played-their-first-show-as-a-three-piece
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:53 (one month ago) Permalink
heh, debut gig makes sense for sure
Besides being one of the only times that the DC punk legends opened a show
I wonder what the other ones were?
― sleeve, Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:57 (one month ago) Permalink
Their second show (first as a 4-piece) was opening for Kingface:https://i.imgur.com/I02xydI.jpg
Elderly chapel hill/carrboro punkers may recognize the Slush Puppies as Mac Superchunk's pre-WWAX band.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:00 (one month ago) Permalink
cool, thanks!
― sleeve, Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:14 (one month ago) Permalink
Dunno about the Mule Club but the Fridge didn't close til 2010 (although I hadn't been there since 2001), the Electric Brixton is there now but doesn't have any link to the Fridge club. Before the Fridge it was the Brixton Ace (used to have a lot of hardcore/anarcho punk gigs there, Conflict/Exploited/etc)
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:17 (one month ago) Permalink
Mule Club was the one hosted by the avant rock band God in the pub behind the fire station. Can't remember its name.Was the stageless place that once had a review with one guy having to drag up a chair to stage dive off.was on every Friday night and had some great bands at.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 28 October 2018 12:07 (one month ago) Permalink
Canterbury Arms. They used to put shows on at the Queen's Head sometimes as well.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:00 (one month ago) Permalink
First saw Fugazi at Brixton Academy on the Red Medicine tour. They were amazing, but my overwhelming memory is of watching a guy who was truly shit-faced drunk running into the toilets, slipping and ending up head-first in the urinal, steeped in piss, and thinking, "That's not very straight-edge, is it?"
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:53 (one month ago) Permalink
Fugazi is the band I most regret never seeing live. A friend saw them once and he got drunk and spent the show making out with an equally drunk woman and felt deep shame about this afterward
― joygoat, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:56 (one month ago) Permalink
got to see them three times but the first time on the Repeater tour was the best, they opened with "Blueprint" and closed with "Glue Man" and god damn they were great.
― sleeve, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink
what's weird is that they are one of my favorite bands of all time, and I think I saw them three times. And yet barely remember any of the shows.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink
Halfway to a reunionhttp://www.brooklynvegan.com/ian-mackaye-amy-farina-joe-lally-apparently-have-a-new-band-playing-first-show-on-sunday/?fbclid=IwAR2RYfOZWTolDWxrUwB4RL0Xmzl4jNf-beViTEbyWHsHXzFAFHnmYmTAksQ
I really want to hear what a Fugazi "Division Bell" type late career record would sound like.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:11 (one month ago) Permalink
Joe and Brendan already play in that other band, with that skronk jazz guitarist. Let me know when Guy gets back into it and I'll believe they are getting their chops in order.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:14 (one month ago) Permalink
yeah IDG why they want to waste time with that wanker but won't reunite
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:15 (one month ago) Permalink
I saw the MC50 reunion deal the other night and my friend I was with joked pre-show "I wonder if Brendan will have the bell with him in the kit" and we laughed but sure enough he did and I weirdly got chills. Seeing the bell was basically the best part of the show!
Having said that a Brendan Canty-Billy Gould-Kim Thayil band would be fucking amazing based on that gig though.
When Kramer intro'd the band, the roar in Mpls for Brendan & Fugazi was huge, twice as loud as for Soundgarden, easy.
I don't really want Fugazi to reunite, I would completely go if they did.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:27 (one month ago) Permalink
Hope they never reunite tbh
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:54 (one month ago) Permalink
I do wish more bands would break up and stay broken up.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:57 (one month ago) Permalink
Was there not a quote in a fairly recent interview with one of Fugazi along the lines that they get together and play for fun every now and then? I’m all for that, playing music together when they get a chance but without it having to Be Something.
― michaellambert, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:14 (one month ago) Permalink
Yeah, they have all said at various times that they get together to jam and what not. I might have posted earlier that I know someone who knows Guy, and he is always teasing Guy about not reuniting Fugazi, and Guy always, maybe with false modesty maybe who knows, claims that no one is really that interested, and if they did it would have to be pretty much all new material, but the amount of effort it would take to drum up all the material and be up to snuff musically might be too much. Having seen Joe and Brendan play in that lark recently, they seem pretty up to snuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:31 (one month ago) Permalink
I think Guy lives in NYC these days, while the rest are in the DC area.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 14:13 (one month ago) Permalink
Saw the unnamed Ian, Amy, and Joe band in DC (free show though donations encourage to a church's feed the homeless program). They were just ok-- a mix of Evens like vocals, some Fugazi like vocals from Ian, and fugazi style dub reggae influenced bass and drum rhythms. I was kinda hoping they'd go off in different directions than their prior outfits, but that mostly didn't happen. Most of the comments on Facebook and twitter I saw were more positive than mine about their sound btw (although a few folks i spoke to agreed with me). I liked Fugazi back in the day, but this is just kinda there. Oh Guy came down from NY to watch. Lotsa of other Dischord and DC punk folks there too -- from Bratmobile, Fire Party, Priests, Kingface...
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:28 (one month ago) Permalink
This made my day. #minorthreat #saladdays #dischordrecords. pic.twitter.com/CAdF854uB2— bernie (@bernie) November 17, 2018
― j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 04:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink
Aww
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 November 2018 13:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink
Senior Threat
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 17 November 2018 13:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink