Fugazi: C or D?

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So, some bit of odd, pathetic nostalgia has had me reliving the indie rock 90s lately, and out came the Fugazi records...surprisingly, they hold up a helluva a lot better than I thought they would having not listened to them in about two or three years...maybe just the otherwise paucity of good rawk music these days...

So: Fugazi, classic or dud?

Jess, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, that's not indie, that's EMO! I liked Repeater and that Waiting Room song, but most of it is not good. One song that sticks in my head goes something like, "(YEAH!)you're so beautiful, (YEAH!)so blahblahble, (YEAH!)you something something right through you." What song is that?

nUde SPock, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

duplicate thread!

(the song, spock, is "margin walker.")

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Fugazi = "emo?" WTF????

These days the term "emo" is like the Blob/Borg, threatening to absord everything in its path: "I really like emo, you know, like the Beatles and Moby."

Nitsuh, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

How Fugazi can get called emo, when Superchunk (a group that sounds much more like those damn emo bands, though 1 bazillion times better) escapes such damning praise...

No, sir, I don't like it one bit.

David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Margin Walker" is my favorite Fugazi song; I can't stand the vocals most of the time though. East coast emo was invented by the bands that invented Fugazi, so it's not much of a stretch to call Fugazi emo. That's what I'd call them, but then I don't like Fugazi.

Kris, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Emo core?

Nude Spock, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Emo-core" = what people called it before they started using it to describe so many bands that it saved time to just say "emo."

I think it's the only genre term I've ever seen change completely over the course of 4-5 years. I suppose that can be blamed, in part, on the people making it -- the term started with just-post-hardcore bands like Cap'N Jazz and would up stuck on bashy- poppy-punk bands like the Promise Ring (members of Cap'N Jazz). Regardless, any term variously applied to refer to Mineral, Karate, and the Get-Up Kids is beginning to lack meaning.

But so the question now is: with the Cap'N Jazz guys reforming as the Owls, will "emo" go back to being what it was, leaving the Get-Up Kids as just "crap?" Or will the Owls play funk, leading us to start referring to Parliament as "emo?"

Nitsuh, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

since when are fugazi emo? huh? huh? did i sleep thru a new genre...i thought emo was rotten new skool punk rockers writing break up songs.

riff, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

fugazi are great until they start that tedious stop start shit. They tend to over use that one. However I can't think of many other bands that do try to push their melodic side, one of the best dual guitar bands around. I wish they'd change their drum sound, I hate that nu metal snare!

tom, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The first band I heard get the emo tag was Fugazi, quickly followed by North of America who Fugazi were being used as a reference for me. I said what and she said Trueman's Water, Sunny Day Real Estate. I said I still dont know. Now I think Trail of The Dead qualify as emo but I dunno, its all Alt Country to me.

zacko, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Fugazi: classic.

Emo: supposed to have started with Rites of Spring is my understanding, who led to Fugazi. Now the term is meaningless, for reasons laid out expertly by Nitsuh.

North of America: not emo at all. Math rock, pure math rock.

Matthew Lazowski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Math emo that is.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

fifteen years pass...

^^Not showing up for me. What is it?

JRN, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:05 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs

Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I love how Albini said for years that Fugazi was one of the few bands he respected so much he'd record them for free. And then he recorded them and they didn't use it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Hmm. I can sorta see why they scrapped this, but I say that as someone very, very familiar with IOTKT as it was released

Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

But none of these versions are better than the album versions

(see also: First Demo. How many times have you listened to that one since you bought it?)

Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Ian Mackaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat/ Dischord Records at the #JuggaloMarch pic.twitter.com/acrebJ4zCd

— #retiredpunk (@NickKarpPhotos) September 17, 2017

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/018/MI0002018821.jpg

JRN, Monday, 18 September 2017 19:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

Saw that! Watched Brendan Canty playing drums with Lizzi from GangGang Dance & guitarist Dana Vorhees at the Hirshhorn Museum Yoko Ono tribute. Canty & Joe Lally will be backing Daniel Johnston on his upcoming DC gig.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Koolest Wizards jumbotron screengrab of all time? pic.twitter.com/XV6Xt4R8D1

— Chris _ _ Richards (@Chris__Richards) November 10, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Also, had no idea Lally and Canty were in a new band together.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:57 (five months ago) Permalink

(With Anthony Pirog)

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:58 (five months ago) Permalink

& Rites of Spring really surprised me

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Welp, that rules.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:28 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0nFZe_e-qc

new canty/lally/pirog track

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Another track here https://themessthetics.bandcamp.com/track/serpent-tongue

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Messthetics album release is March 23. Brendan Canty is also gonna be busy touring with MC5 50th anniversary group with Wayne Kramer and others

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

End hits fucking rules

kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

^otm

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:17 (one month ago) Permalink

all fugazi albums rule

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Steady Diet of Nothing doesn't imo but that's about it

albvivertine, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:24 (one month ago) Permalink

No, that one rules, too. A lot.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Steady Diet a lot better than End Hits - the former a much better showcase for the rhythm section, which is the band's strongest point.

(what I mean is the instrumental-side of Fugazi is better in the context of short, tightly wound interplay where the bass/drums are at the forefront - 'jammy' Fugazi isn't the best Fugazi IMO)

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:37 (one month ago) Permalink

i'd call red medicine jammy, end hits i guess is playing-wise but towards much more frictive ends? anyway that era is my favorite of theirs, i think the rhythm section gets plenty of shine and the compositions especially on end hits hit a great balance of punch and spaciousness (both of which iirc steady diet lacks a bit i comparison to their other records variously, though it still rules)

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:51 (one month ago) Permalink

the argument hits that balance the most smoothly and so might be their best (it's a good record to end on as it ties together strands of their previous modes to creates its own). i listen to it less though bc i love their jammy mode

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:08 (one month ago) Permalink

There is a case to be made that The Argument=Red Medicine/End Hits. End Hits is the one I listen to the least, for no good reason.

In On The Kill Taker is the band's most aggro album. "Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 13:56 (one month ago) Permalink

...and their best, IMO. Probably their loudest album but also more dynamically nuanced than the earlier stuff. Plus "Sweet and Low" (an example of why I'm iffy about the longer, later material - they perfected the "this is a Fugazi instrumental" here)

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:07 (one month ago) Permalink

"Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!

ah but Facet Squared includes one of my absolute favourite Ian lines - "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:08 (one month ago) Permalink

I love the lyrics to Facet Squared. 'Cool's eternal but it's always dated' has the ring of a stolen revealed truth.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, but did you catch any of those lyrics without a lyrics sheet?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Steady Diet is the one that most consistently slays from beginning to end imo. Maybe others have higher highs but it's still my favorite to play in the car.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink

xp "Irony is the refuge of the educated" was a line ahead of its time imo

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:12 (one month ago) Permalink

That and "I hate the sound of guitars" are the fugazi lyrics I think about most

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:13 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Messthetics LP is awesome, gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Good podcast interview w/Ian about some of the music that mattered to him: http://wypr.org/post/essential-tremors-ian-mackaye

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Fugazi rules. my first album of theirs was "Red Medicine" and i was shocked it was only $10. soon enough picked up "Repeater" and listened to those two a lot in my first year of college. kept up with them off an on and always enjoyed their stuff. i remember really liking the "Instrument" movie, which was the last thing i heard of them.

i got to see them play a show in early 2000s. it was of course a great show, and they stopped it midway through to throw out somebody in the audience who was being unduly aggressive. as a small person who always had to be cautious around mosh pits at shows, seeing this in action was very much appreciated!

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

No one wants to discuss this Mesthetics record, huh? Quit living in the past!

Mostly kidding here. But this record is great and should be getting more attention.

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Fuck it, I'm starting a thread

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I just didn't think it was that great personally even though it's good to hear Canty + Lally together again.

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy

Enjoy!

https://open.spotify.com/album/62JuK3H7TjIMAKbHPDSoCU

cwkiii, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Seriously, though. Please enjoy that.

cwkiii, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Ordered. It should have a sticker on the back that says "$11 postage paid" or something.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2018 20:42 (four days ago) Permalink

Love this album. I will definitely be buying this.

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:18 (four days ago) Permalink

i listened to 13 songs today so many jams....13 jams to be exact

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:26 (four days ago) Permalink

killtaker was my first (but not my last). facet squared is a helluva intro to a band (esp if you're 17 and you only bought it because Eddie Vedder said it was great)

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:42 (four days ago) Permalink

Just started reading this book and I am stoked, but already encountered something that super irked me. He's writing about the failed Albini sessions, and saying how it should have been the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine) but then also ... Jay Z and "Doctor Dre." First, that he spelled (or someone corrected) it "Doctor." Second, Jay-Z and Dr. Dre barely did anything together, right? Let alone formed some epochal team. Unless I'm reading his reference wrong, and it was supposed to be a dream team, but Miles and Rudy was real, so this one seems like a weird unforced error.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:49 (two days ago) Permalink

"Doctor Dre" oh man. But it's about what I'd expect from the 33 1/3 series. There are definitely a couple of good entries, but it's strictly amateur hour for the most part.

Position Position, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:53 (two days ago) Permalink

the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine)

Yeah, that's an odd one. Miles obviously worked a lot with Van Gelder, but never in Van Gelder's most celebrated studio, and never on any of Miles' most celebrated recordings (not that Walkin' etc. aren't celebrated; just that you don't think "yeah, Miles & Rudy!" on those, whereas you definitely think "yeah, Miles & Teo!" on their records together). John Coltrane and Rudy Van Gelder would've been a better example.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:40 (two days ago) Permalink

Jay Z and "Doctor Dre."

wtf

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:46 (two days ago) Permalink

Joe should know better (& editor too)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 23:14 (two days ago) Permalink

Doctorb Dre

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 23:33 (two days ago) Permalink

Fugazi and Steve Albini should have been like M&M and Doc Andre!

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 23:37 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm halfway through the book and I'm mostly just happy I got to live in a world with Fugazi in it, the thrill of learning (pre internet) that there was a new album coming, or tickets on sale for a show. I miss Fugazi. I was talking to someone in New York last week, an indie/punk rock lifer, who had recently talked to Guy, and Guy was basically saying he thought no one was interested in a Fugazi reunion, and my friend was like, of course they fucking are! But Guy thought the only way it would happen is if they made new music, and that seems like hard work. It's worth noting that one major takeaway from a book (much of which is taken from getting the guys in a room and letting them talk) is that they're all (as reported) still really good friends. Just, well, hard to get in a room together.

Missed a chance to see Messthetics in New York, will try for Chicago next week!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:05 (yesterday) Permalink

Another fascinating, er, facet of the book is how often songs I/many assumed were political were really about relationships or sci-fi concept or something not specific at all. I guess it's just the general intensity of the band.

Oh, the first song, Facet Squared? It's a sort of anagram for Flags are Such Ugly Things. FASUT. Facet.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:45 (yesterday) Permalink

it's clearly not the case that no-one's interested in a Fugazi reunion but I think they do have the kind of high minded audience who'd get very sniffy if they played shows without writing or recording new stuff

thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:01 (yesterday) Permalink

Oh, the first song, Facet Squared? It's a sort of anagram for Flags are Such Ugly Things. FASUT. Facet.

Ha! oh shit!

Facet Squared is one of my favourite 'Gazi lyrics. "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:54 (yesterday) Permalink

Some other neat (early) revelations:

Joe Lally refers to "Steady Diet of Nothing" as "Steady Diet of No Reverb."

Brendan Canty is apparently the best all-around musician and was playing guitar and piano longer than he's been playing drums. Like Bill Berry, he would often contribute songs and riff ideas as well.

Fugazi songs are typically constructed from bits of pieces and ideas and riffs and hooks others brought in and deconstructed and refined in the studio and on stage. The lyrics always come last and are designed to fit the final arrangement. "Epic Problem," from the last record, apparently was kicking around for so many years in so many forms that in its honor they let it keep the same temp title it always had.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:46 (yesterday) Permalink

jayz/drdre killtaker session story straight from the source:
http://vishkhanna.com/2015/11/12/ep-223-ian-mackaye-steve-albini-part-i/

Are there any 33 1/3 books primarily written by the people involved?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:34 (yesterday) Permalink

I was talking to someone in New York last week, an indie/punk rock lifer, who had recently talked to Guy, and Guy was basically saying he thought no one was interested in a Fugazi reunion, and my friend was like, of course they fucking are!

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:05 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seriously! If anything, I figured an excess of interest might be an obstacle to a Fugazi reunion (as strange as that sounds), because they'd have to choose between playing a reasonable number of dates at the kinds of mid-sized clubs in which they're comfortable and meeting audience demand.

Of course, I might just be projecting my own (intense) interest in Fugazi onto the general punk rock public. But I'd be willing to bet that a reunited Fugazi could sell out a weekend's worth of dates at, say, First Ave. in Minneapolis, to say nothing of markets like Chicago, New York, and DC. So it would either be that, or playing bigger venues, or turning a lot of people away, and I can imagine them not being enthusiastic about any of those prospects.

JRN, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:47 (yesterday) Permalink

it's clearly not the case that no-one's interested in a Fugazi reunion but I think they do have the kind of high minded audience who'd get very sniffy if they played shows without writing or recording new stuff

― thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:01 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol people say this all the time and all i remember from the gigs is just rockin out and having so much fucking fun and being so inspired by how good a band could be, those gigs were a blast i wish i could live them all over

and in retrospect now an admiration for the effort that was taken to conduct a career and run and organization in probably the most ethical way possible in the music business

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:52 (yesterday) Permalink

lol people say this all the time and all i remember from the gigs is just rockin out and having so much fucking fun and being so inspired by how good a band could be, those gigs were a blast i wish i could live them all over

memory from my first Fugazi gig (Brixton, 1994/5??): washing my hands after taking a piss and a guy who was absolutely paralytically wasted running into the bathroom, slipping and tumbling into the gutter of the big communal urinal, immersing himself in piss and being pissed on by guys who were then using the urinal and unable to cease their streams. "woah he doesn't seem very straight edge," i thought.

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:58 (yesterday) Permalink

lol omg
i was wasted at every fugazi show i ever went to as i was generally wasted at every show i ever went to then
but not human urinal wasted

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:09 (yesterday) Permalink

My only Fugazi show was one of 2 or 3 sold out gigs at the Congress Theater in Chicago, it seemed like a huuuge crowd at the time.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:14 (yesterday) Permalink

I must have been at that Brixton gig. Still one of the best live shows I've ever seen. I was probably a little wasted, but I don't *think* I got pissed on.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:38 (yesterday) Permalink

It's worth noting that one major takeaway from a book (much of which is taken from getting the guys in a room and letting them talk) is that they're all (as reported) still really good friends. Just, well, hard to get in a room together.

Per Joe they occasionally get together and prac, though just for themselves

https://pitchfork.com/news/fugazi-play-music-together-in-private-joe-lally-says/

Also the clips I've seen of the opera based on Fugazi stage banter are a fucking mind-blow.

They were a good as hell band

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:32 (yesterday) Permalink

i've been a little surprised that they haven't done occasional one-off benefit shows over the years

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:32 (yesterday) Permalink

Also the thank you note that Fugazi wrote to Steve is attached via magnet on the Electrical Audio fridge (or was last time I was there)

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:33 (yesterday) Permalink

the opera based on Fugazi stage banter

wait what

sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:36 (yesterday) Permalink

The 100-minute performance, created with the band’s approval and endorsement, samples the sounds of “random feedback, aimless drum noodling, pre-show activist speeches, audience hecklers, and the police breaking up gigs” found in the countless hours of archival Fugazi live recordings in existence.

One of the clips heard there was a little peal of guitar feedback and some drum clatter and I was "oh that's Fugazi" in about two seconds

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:39 (yesterday) Permalink

wow, thanks

sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:40 (yesterday) Permalink

I got to see them a few times in Chicago, and once I think at Fort Reno in DC, though the fact I can't remember the DC show that well makes me think maybe I didnt and it was someone else. I wish I was 5 years older because I probably would have seen them a lot more.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:48 (yesterday) Permalink

I must have been at that Brixton gig. Still one of the best live shows I've ever seen. I was probably a little wasted, but I don't *think* I got pissed on.

my other main memory, beyond it being awesome, was of a reveller bounding onstage, and MacKaye grabbing him by the neck, pushing him to the side of the stage, and then walloping him with his guitar.

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:10 (yesterday) Permalink

And SGs have all those pointy bits too.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:17 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm still not sure Ian did it, or if the passage of time has made me romanticise my memory of it.

The show was fucking amazing, though. Guy was like a ballerina, the Nijinsky of punk rock. So glad I got to see them as many times as I did.

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:37 (yesterday) Permalink


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