Arabic music (not elsewhere classified)

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I've been seeing a lot of interesting-looking new, or at least somewhat recent, Arabic CDs, generally either of a folkloric, religious or classical nature. (Not always easy to completely separate these categories.) I don't know if I'm imagining it, but there seems to be more of this stuff around in the past couple years. Sufi music from Egypt and Syria, instead of the more common Pakistan or North Africa. I've largely given up on current Arabic pop music, but there's still a fair amount of music around that is being produced for a more specialized audience.

I was told by the owner of the Arab grocery where I used to buy a lot of music that after the Gulf War (1991), there was an increased interest in Iraqi music, among Arabs in general (many of whom ordinarily would hardly be listening to any of it). I get the distinct impression that more CDs of Iraqi music are showing up for sale online these days.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's not necessarily the definite article, but check out Jaz Coleman & Anne Dudley's Songs from the Victorious City.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Alex, I think I have that on cassette somewhere, but haven't heard it for a long time. (I'm paranoid about playing any cassettes these days, since my tape player was starting to eat them at one point.) It was kind of gratifying seeing someone from the west going on about how great it was to work with Arab musicians. But since you mentioned it, I will put it on some time soon. I don't think I new him by name when someone loaned me that album, but at one point he mentioned that he had played with Killing Joke, which I admit was a little bit of a surprise. (Though why should I be surprised given Jah Wobble's Arabophilia?)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Incidentally, you might like some of the rhythms in Iraqi music which have a kind of heavy martial sound to them (even though they accompany regular old love songs). Actually the rhythms at the beginning of this particular clip (the second one) sound a lot like some things I've heard in Algerian Berber music. (Thanks for visiting my thread.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm seeing some folkloric stuff from Libya now on www.maqam.com. I hardly ever see much of anything out of Libya and don't know what their music sounds like, but this looks interesting.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Weren't Nasa from Yemen? Their sort've quasi-Duran metal had flourishes of Arabic music,.....however watered down. Ofra Haza sang a bit on their album (which also featured cameos from Les Warner of the Cult and Raven from ....WAIT FOR IT....Killing Joke.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

who is it? is it the VA # Cd set or something else?

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was talking to an Egyptian friend of mine (studying here in the US) about music--I really enjoyed Mohammed Abd el Wahab, but didn't know too much else arabic music. He pointed me to Mazika.com, which is where he listened to a lot of music. I'm not sure how legit the site is, but with a free registration there's a ton of stuff to listen to.

I found some things I really liked: Nagat, from Egypt; a great song by Saad Abd el Wahab (who is apparently the brother of Mohammed Abd el Wahab); and songs under the "Aghany Ramadan" section which I believe means Ramadan songs...

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Alex, I can't help you, since I don't know that band.

arch Ibog, I think mazika.com actually is legitimate, but most of those artists don't interest me much. (Haven't looked recently.)

Nagat has some okay songs. I find the ones I've heard drag a little bit at times though.

I've heard some songs sung by Abdel Wahab that I've really liked, but I've also heard some where his singing wasn't so hot. I've heard contradictory things about his singing, some people saying that after a certain point early in his career his voice was no good; some people saying that his voice came and went; and other people saying that his voice was fine, and what are you talking about?

H, I don't know who that question is directed toward. The stuff I mean is at the top of this page: New releases.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, that was directed at you RS and i was referring to the one at the top of the new releases page, though there was a second comp up htere as well.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is the thread for discussing Arabic music I haven't started other threads about, with special emphasis on Killing Joke collaborators.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

RS do you have an Iranian music to recommend me? I live right by a Iranian market which has shelves upon shelves of CDs and cassettes. Most of it looks of fairly recent vintage.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(Yes, I am aware that Iran is not an Arabic country.)

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

amateurist, I know very little about Iranian music. The classical singer Mohammed Reza Shahjarian is great, and even though I have only heard two of his albums, I suspect you'd be okay buying anything, especially if someone there recommends it.

There's also a sometimes campy pop singer from the 70's (I assume) named Ramesh who I kind of like.

I may have one or two names to add when I'm at home, but that's it.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lots of the stuff I've been seeing is from Institut du Monde Arabe.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 19 July 2003 19:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Al Rockist -- I also want to ask you a question. A(nother) Oum Kalsoum question, actually: the album Les Grandes Compositeurs Vol 3, would that be a good one to get?
(AllMusicGuide, e.g., doesn't even mention this Vol 3; but as it happens, it's the only Kalsoum I could order from a record shop in my hometown)

Can you suggest a different source (in Engl.?)? Or d'you know what kind of a compilation said disc is, as per period and material?
(THANX!)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This seems to be a UK distributor. They have some titles I've mentioned before. I don't think a compilation is the way to go for an introduction to Oum Kalthoum.

I am not familiar with that collection, and can't find anything about it so far. I'm guessing it will be fairly early material, which I find hard to get into, if it's many pieces on one CD (although some of the film songs are fairly short and cover a period that interests me more than the pre-40's stuff).

Al Andalous, Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think all.music has a couple different entries for her under different spellings.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okeh, I'll check the different spellings thingy too. Thanks.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Of the stuff this distributor carries, I would most recommend ROBAEYAT EL KHAYAM.

SAHRAN LEWAHDE, from about the same year, is also quite good, but I think it's a little more challenging.

A lot of western listeners seem to enjoy the late recording AL ATLAL, which is also very popular with Arabs.

I personally prefer HAZIHI LAYLATY to that, as long as it's the live version. (Don't buy it unless you are sure it is.)

Al Andalous, Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I beseech you, in the name of all that is consuemrist and music-obsessive, go to this page and listen to the "Ya Msaharni" sample from George Wassouf Sings Om Kolthoum 4. This is one of my favorite psychedelic sounding Arabic pop songs (this particular recording, not the original, which sounds quite a bit different).

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 18:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The song is by Sayed Mekawi who is a totally great song-writer or composer or whatever.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 18:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, Wassouf mostly sucks, but his backing band or orchestra at various times has done some nice things, and I think occasionally his drug use has artificially allowed him to get to some interesting places with his singing.

The remix sounds really awful.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 19:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

arch Ibog, Mazika.com has expanded considerably since I last visisted, but it looks like it's just a pay-for-download thing, or am I not looking closely enough?

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 19:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

uh, RS, if I went to the right link I am unsure why this is something that inspires beseeching....explain please.

H (Heruy), Saturday, 26 July 2003 20:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Really? I think it's great. Now you'll know not to trust me. I think the melody sounds really trippy played on that electric organ, and the rhythms and the slow pace draw me in. (You did listen to the "Ya Msaharni" sample?) What can I tell you?

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It sounds like a very strung out after hours party in a circus tent.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'll listen again (btw check yr mail, i just sent you a msg)

H (Heruy), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wait! There's a copy of the entire song further down the page, under the slightly different transliteration: "Ya Misaharni". (From "Live volume 3" or something like that.) Try that one. It will at least give you a more complete sense of the shape of the song.

But anyway, I just like it in a very immediate way. The organ sounds so cool to me. I like the spaciousness of it. It's got a feel almost like dub, but with very different rhythms and so forth. I just love the sound of doumbeks, in general, too. On a really microscopic level, there's the sound of a person's voice--I think from the audience--during the introduction, and it seems to occur at a perfect place. Some of these organ/synth sounds could either be heard as incredibly corny or as very trippy (not that I really see a contradiction there). Also, some of the melodic lines seemed very familiar to me practically the first time I heard it, and that seemed a little mysterious.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 22:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I find it very evocative of a canabis high.

Al Andalous, Saturday, 26 July 2003 22:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
The Beginner's Guide to Arabia listed on this page looks like a good overview. I don't know what individual songs are on it, but it definitely has a mix of older and newer popular styles.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 11 December 2003 02:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I see it's on Nascente. They put out good compilations, in general.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 11 December 2003 02:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Khaled to thread!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I found a track listing, but I still don't really know what's on it. (I hope they didn't pick an Oum Kalthoum song from before the late 30's, but they probably did, since that's where most of the short ones can be found.) Most of it will probably be junk, but it is a broad overview, and some of what I now consider junk helped me get into what I now consider classic.

Nascente has a similar salsa compilation, but if anything there isn't enough junk on it. I mean, it's mostly very propper classic salsa. The newer examples seem to be from people who have some sort of agenda of maintaining the greatness of the past. I am sympathetic up to a point, but there is plenty of salsa aimed at mainstream commercial success (e.g., Grupo Niche or Gilberto Santa Rosa at their best) which is more vital than most of what I've heard from, say, Jimmy Bosch. Still, it's a good looking compilation.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Track listing for Beginner's Guide to Arabia:

01 Farid El Atrache - Hebeena Hebeena

(Somewhat cheesy Farid, but popular, and I like it, but still, there is harder edged stuff that might have more appeal.)

02 Nagat - Sa'al Feya

(Don't know this song by name.)

03 Talal El Madaah - Maza Aqool Wa Qad Himt

04 Talal El Madaah - Maza Aqool Wa Qad Himt

05 Sabah - Ala Eyni Talabatak

(Don't know track by name. Sabah is pretty much old-school in style, but not as classically oriented as Oum Kalthoum.)

06 Ahmad Fat'hi - Shaqek El Ward

07 Oum Kalthoum - Ala Balad El Mahboub

08 Abdallah Balkheir - Leilah

09 Fairuz - Inshallah Ma Bu Shi

(Don't know this song. It will probably either be very good or very bad, though her voice will be fine either way.)

10 Majida El Roumi - Ana Am Bihlam

(I am not into her, though she is pretty well regarded, espcially in her home, Lebanon, I think.)

11 George Wassouf - Tabib Garah

(This is not a bad song from George Wassouf's relatively recent output.)

12 Samira Tawfic - - Ballaa Tsoubou Hal Kahwa

(Samira Tewfic has recorded some fantastic songs. I have no idea which one this is.)

13 Amr Diab - Rajeen

(With Kazem el Saher, probably one of the two biggest Arab pop singers. Zzzzz.)

14 Ilham Al Madfai - Khuttar

(An Iraqi who does an odd mix of Arab and western jazz/rock whatever. I haven't heard much by him.)

15 Nawal El Zoughbi - El Layali

16 Aamer Muneeb - Hikayatak Eih

17 Dania - Afrahou Gannouh

18 Assi Al Hilani - Ater Al Mahabah

19 Yuri Mrakidi - Takoulin

20 Elissa - Hilm Al Ahlam

21 Hisham Abbas - Habibi Dah (Nari Narien)

22 Howayda - Aghrab

23 George Al Rassy - Min Ghadr El Hob

24 The 1001 Nights Project Feat Dania [Lebanon] (Transglobal Underground Mix

25 Kareem Al Iraqi - Al Ghurbeh

26 Hasna - Gibran's Wisdom

27 Guy Manoukian - Yasmina

28 Mai & Waheed - Laish Laish Ya Jara

29 Oryx - Awakenings

30 Rida Al Abdallah - Baghdad

31 Yasser Habeeb - Elama

32 Fayez El Saeed - Baleini

33 Ilham Al Madfai - El Tufah (original mix)

34 Jawed Al Ali - El Shoug

35 The R.E.G. Project - Harem

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just had to come back and say that "Hebeena Hebeena" is great, after listening to it last night. Yes, there are shlocky elements to it, and it might have been better to find some Farid without any shlock, but it's pretty charming shlock (especially the electric organ). It's mostly an upbeat tune, but with an interlude when he goes into what is more or less a vocal solo, so it gives a taste of that kind of stretched out performance, where the rhythm becomes extremely loose.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hey Rockist, slightly off topic but did you go see Hassan Hakmoun the other night?

H (Heruy), Friday, 12 December 2003 08:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

:(

No. I was running behind in the afternoon, and then I wanted to eat something before I went, and then it was raining and I walked all over trying to hail a cab, dodging completely homicidal drivers in the process. I got sick of it all and decided to go home. I wish I had planned it better though, because I could have made it. The more I thought of it though, the more I didn't like the idea of his being given a limited time slot. (There was another artist on the program, and these programs definitely end at a certain time, whereas when I've seen him before, he's had the time to stretch out. Well, not in Moroccan terms, but comparatively.) Still I should have gone, but I bet nobody went into a trance; nobody ever goes into a trance at Philadelphia shows, except the occasional performer from Baluchistan.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 15:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, Haale was opening for him, she's actually supposed to be really good. He was playing a full on gnawa set (no fusion) on Thursday in NYC but figgered you would not be able to make that.

re trances: when he played toronto this past summer, the reports I got were that were going into full trances and actually passing out!

H (Heruy), Saturday, 13 December 2003 12:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was stupid not to plan my time better. I don't know, sometimes I just get in these moods when I don't want to go out and do the things I want to do. ?

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A couple new releases that look good: another Ahmad Adawaia best of, and a Marcel Khalife CD that, judging by the couple clips I've listened to so far, actually seems to successfully blend jazz elements with Lebanese music. I'm surprised since I haven't really liked any recordngs he's made since the 80's (although I didn't hear anything by him until around 1993). Also lots of DVDs of Arabic movies. (Maybe some day.)

New releases

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 25 December 2003 01:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bought the Khalife. I'll indulgently repeat what I said on the "Last x" thread:

Very interesting new instrumental album from Marcel Khalife. He's mixing jazz elements with Arab music, not an original idea I realize, but I like what he's doing here more than I like just about any other combination of Arab music with jazz that I've heard. I'm glad he is getting away from the big orchestral works which all sounded the same to me, and which I didn't like to begin with. The personnel includes his sons (I assume): Rami and Bachar Khalife, Peter Herbert (who typically plays with jazz musicians) on bass, and a cameo appearance by violinist Omar Guey (soloing). The first three or four tracks flow together quite nicely, but the fifth--what is this--this thing? I heard something very similar in a song on an older Khalife album. It's like an extended Chopinesque version of "Happy Birthday To You!" Unbelievably sacharine. I have no idea what he is trying to do here. Nothing else on the CD is like that one track, although I'm not crazy about his son Rami's piano playing in some cases. A little too influenced by Romantic era classical piano. (Both his sons are trained in European classical music.) Overall, I like it quite a bit. The use of vibraphones (played by Bachar) adds an unexpected color, which works extremely well with Arab rhythms. The second track has an odd disjunctive sort of rhythm that seems to borrow from free jazz. (It's not Arab, I'm sure, and it's not a straightahead jazz rhythm.) Also, the audio quality is very high. I hope this Khalife CD gets some press. (I hope the label is sending out review copies, and not just to "world music" magazines, but to other places where it might have a chance of being covered.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 01:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
These two new CDs of music from Yemen look good to me. (Brief audio samples available.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Earlier I dug out a Faiza Ahmed tape that I used to think was terrible but hadn't heard in a while. I recently ordered a Faiza Ahmed CD after hearing some stuff by her that I liked online (including clips from the CD). It turns out that this tape is a copy of the same album I just ordered on CD. I think I know why I didn't like it before (too much of the heavy violin section cliches and at times an annoying chorus), but the songs themselves are pretty good and Ahmed's singing is good as well.

Jaz Coleman & Anne Dudley's Songs from the Victorious City.

I'm finally getting around to listening to this again (after not hearing it for a long time). I don't really understand why they import non-Arab rhythms into this. The rhythmic resources in Arabic music are very rich.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think it works really well. Very authentic Arabic sound [the likes of Hossam Ramzy add a bit of authentism/cred], successfully fused with Dudley's Below-the-Waste-period 'percussion' loops, or whatever she calls them.

I'm amazed Natacha Atlas hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Highlights are Disapora, Gedida, and parts of Ayeshteni. Despite being largely Belgian/Moroccan/British, her artistic leanings are toward Egypt, and it really shows.

In the interest of variety, Mezdeke's a good example of Turkish rhythms, and exemplifies just how broad Arabic music can be. The CDs can be hard to pick up though; you'd do well to try your local Lebanese bakery.

Amr Diab? Meh. Doesn't do anything for me. Habibi's the obvious number [everyone's heard it at least once].

You're the Wish You Are I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 23 May 2004 22:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, this Milhem Barkat tape has some fantastic songs on it. There is so much going on rhythmically in this music (Lebanese party tunes, you could say) and it's still pretty much under our radar in the west. And this sort of thing hardly seems to turn up on CD.

http://www.shweir.com/Images%207/P1010009.JPG

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I don't like it (the Dudley/Coleman thing). It starts off okay, but a lot of what they do rhythmically on that recording is kind of weak compared to what is possible using Arab rhythms (to repeat myself). Also, they draw excessively on the biggest cliches of the big Egyptian string section sound. I like the way the album starts off, but by the time it hits the "It could just go on forever" segment, the best part of it is over.

Atlas is interesting in spots, but I'm not into her.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 23:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah [Dudley/Coleman]. It could have been a lot better, but I still enjoy it for what it is. The overuse of strings and predictably bland percussion are both indicative of Dudley at that period.

What did Coleman contribute? It just all sounds like Dudley's work to me.

You're the Wish You Are I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 23 May 2004 23:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know, I just know his name is on it.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 23:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bored at work, I find myself reading Robert Christgau's reviews online. I missed this CD. "I'm impressed by how modest virtuosity can be in a classical tradition that honors simplicity." Very nicely put. Actually, I like the whole review:


RAHIM ALHAJ
Iraqi Music in a Time of War
(Voxlox)

Last February, mild-mannered Iraqi matinee idol Kazem al-Sahir played a sparsely populated Beacon. His 17-piece orchestra was exotically anodyne to me, painfully nostalgic to the attendant Iraqis. But either way it was steeped in denial. Recorded April 5 at Manhattan's Sufi Books, with Baghdad under attack, this solo oud recital is the opposite. The conservatory-trained AlHaj is a Saddam torture victim who escaped in 1991. Yet he is appalled by the destruction of his homeland. And yet again he betrays no rage: however uninspired as "concepts," the "compassion, love, and peace" he preaches are courageous as music. With little knowledge of oud or taste for classical guitar, I'm struck by how unexotic he seems—how his sound, melodicism, and note values bridge East and West while remaining Iraqi. I'm impressed by how modest virtuosity can be in a classical tradition that honors simplicity. And I'm drawn in by the historical context, which implicates me in that tradition. B PLUS

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 18:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, finally bought some Nazem al-Ghazali: Best of, Vol.1. His mawawal (that relatively meter-free improvisation often used as the introduction to a song) is (are?) amazing.

The audio quality is poor, but it's good enough for me. I like the sound of the instrumentalists accompanying him. This music avoids some of the excesses of the old Egyptian popular music arrangments. I like the fact that there is practically always a guttering ney playing along the lines he is singing. (As I typed that, the ney and just about everything else dropped away to make room for a kanun solo. I like that too.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/10/08/in-tune-the-psychedelic-roots-nasida-ria.html

Islamic Indonesian band Nasida Ria

The band, which started out as a mixed-gender tambour-playing Islamic choir in 1975, evolved into an all-female band that mixed modern elements of pop music and tunes from the Middle East as performed by legends like Oum Kalthoum and Omar Khorshid.

curmudgeon, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

More stuff I am curious about:

Oumeima El Khalil & Marwan Makhoul are gonna be in W. DC Oct 30th at Gaston hall; and the same night at GW Lisner Aud.

Iraqi singer Kadhim Al-Sahir

curmudgeon, Monday, 17 October 2016 15:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

Oumenia El Khalil is great! She is Marcel Khalife's cousin. Sang on some of his early albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFdEUJOsM7M

Kadhim Al-Sahir is an Iraqi superstar. I tend to write it more like Kazem or Kathem el-Sahier. Can't say I like most his songs but he is a good singers. This is him singing what seems to be something like a standard in the region:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWgUQWba9c

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 17 October 2016 16:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

That first is one of those 80s Marcel Khalife songs, so not necessarily representative of what she'd be singing now. Again, she is a great singer but I don't always like all the material she performs. But it's more of a mixed bag than in the case of Kazem el-Saher (whose own songs I generally am not into at all--but Iraqi music can be a tough nut to crack, very much its own thing).

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 17 October 2016 16:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

There's a good chance she'll sing at least one old MK song, though, since those are crowd-pleasers.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 17 October 2016 16:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

(And justifiably so, imo.)

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 17 October 2016 16:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

She was in Philadelphia last year (not that I was there):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDlwn9DXRnc

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 17 October 2016 16:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

Thanks. Will check those out

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:47 (nine months ago) Permalink

I really haven't followed Kazer el Saher and I probably should check back in with what he's doing. I just remembering the production on his 90s and early 00s songs being kind of extremely busy and bizarre, but not in a way I found interesting. This seems a lot different, though I'm still not sure I love the style. I have a feeling a lot rests on the lyrics, in his music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxFuaZL9pRY

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:56 (nine months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Another Naget song. Recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgwZTu-dVgU

Aristotle error-admitting beer (_Rudipherous_), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I don't think I've mentioned Setrak & Ranin much, but it's pretty good belly dance material (suitable for other listening as well):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI84rnEqPdw

I think this is from the early 90s, although what I was listening to then might have been a collection of older material.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 23:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nice comparatively low-key Samira Toufic song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJw5HM3IXI

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Spotify has a load of Sayed Mekawy recordings. I don't know why I'm still surprised by major figures in Arabic music recording so prolifically; but in this case it may be because I think of him mainly as a composer, even if I have a couple live recordings of his that I like. His vocals can be a stumbling block at time. I definitely rank him more highly as composer than singer, but I'm still curious to hear more. He has a very traditional roots/street nasality. He generally has great accompaniment in the recordings I've heard.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 18:53 (six months ago) Permalink

What I've heard of his work generally (always?) has a strong emphasis on rhythm, as well.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 18:59 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't know. Not really happy with what's available on Spotify. As usual, it's not as good as rarities I have on cheap cassettes.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 20:23 (six months ago) Permalink

Any hint on where to start with him?

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 03:09 (six months ago) Permalink

I still tend to prefer my I-don't-know-what-it-is cassettes of his, that include a bunch of songs I didn't find from skimming through what's available on Spotify.

I'm afraid he's someone who never had an amazing voice to begin with, and then didn't gain anything from getting older.

I did a lot of skimming through these earlier.

This one seems promising, but I don't recognize the songs. Might be from a little earlier than a lot of other things available:

https://open.spotify.com/album/2mQa6EAtdpN77w7jvfH7PB

This has some songs I recognize and think are good songs:

https://open.spotify.com/album/0qOK52vUPmULYN7t3vsAVM

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:16 (six months ago) Permalink

This is Warda singing one of his songs (that I think he wrote for her):

https://open.spotify.com/track/6siVEGFFHtrT4e6EHt0jCX

And he wrote one song for Oum Kalthoum, late in her career:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJbpZHjSgh0&spfreload=10

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:20 (six months ago) Permalink

Try again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJbpZHjSgh0

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:22 (six months ago) Permalink

The Warda song on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwXhK0U_MEU

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:28 (six months ago) Permalink

Looks like Warda is having some kind of problems in that video. Not sure what all her gesturing means after the opening vocal lines. Odd. Looks like it was too hot. Maybe the lights were too intense.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:32 (six months ago) Permalink

This reminds me more of the type of informal setting that I think some of what I have on tape is from. Very cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMvmMWvrB4

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:54 (six months ago) Permalink

So I would say start with that last one I posted and the Oum Kalthoum and Warda songs are famous, so maybe worth checking out.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:56 (six months ago) Permalink

This one seems promising, but I don't recognize the songs. Might be from a little earlier than a lot of other things available:

https://open.spotify.com/album/2mQa6EAtdpN77w7jvfH7PB

Now that I've actually listened to this, some of this is sufi ritual music or at least based on it.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:51 (six months ago) Permalink

This has some songs I recognize and think are good songs:

https://open.spotify.com/album/0qOK52vUPmULYN7t3vsAVM

I should recognize them. I think this is the same set of songs I have on the one Sayed Mekawy CD I own. I decided to dust it off this morning and listen to it in the car. Actually better than I'd remembered. I still don't find his voice ideal, but I was getting pretty caught up in the overall flow of the songs.

And the kanoun on the second track is utterly transporting.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:46 (six months ago) Permalink

I love this Shadia song, with the effortlessly and maybe unintentionally psychedelic keyboard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wnKLOGAQM0

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 12 January 2017 03:36 (six months ago) Permalink

I am not sure I've ever mentioned Mayada El Hennawy, but I will mention that she exists. Another singer who sings material similar to what Warda and Naget sang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXFMOZ17TQ

Still active:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWpkJC9sclU

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 12 January 2017 15:11 (six months ago) Permalink

Another singer who sings material similar to what Warda and Naget sang.

Or late Oum Kalthoum, for that matter.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 12 January 2017 15:12 (six months ago) Permalink

The problem is there is probably more than enough music in this particular style.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 12 January 2017 15:19 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The best song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU0-CMdkgjk

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink

9 views. LMAO.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 March 2017 18:14 (four months ago) Permalink

The first time as guitar, the second time as farce.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 March 2017 19:30 (four months ago) Permalink

Is this her:

Samira Ghastin Karimona, better known by her stage name Samira Tewfik is a Lebanese singer who gained fame in the Arab world for her specializing in singing in the Bedouin dialect of Jordan. She has also acted in a number of Arab films.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 25 March 2017 22:15 (four months ago) Permalink

Yes. I hadn't know most of what's in that entry. I had no idea her father was Armenian. Thought both her parents were Bedouin. Maybe neither were? Check out that song, it really is great and upbeat.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 March 2017 23:02 (four months ago) Permalink

My real comments on the song are on the songs with cool clapping in them thread.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 March 2017 23:09 (four months ago) Permalink

That little bit of guitar just melts me. I want to live in the world of that guitar snippet forever.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 March 2017 23:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Posted earlier in this thread, but worth repsting--live footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmw37eZV5E

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 26 March 2017 00:06 (three months ago) Permalink

well that has a few more than nine views. :)

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Sunday, 26 March 2017 02:46 (three months ago) Permalink

Yes, a lot of people seem to like that one.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 26 March 2017 02:58 (three months ago) Permalink

The evolution of Arabic Music in one medley! by Alaa Wardi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPvyl6MYxlg

curmudgeon, Friday, 31 March 2017 01:06 (three months ago) Permalink

Pretty good. Spends too much time after the classic era, but I would say that. I stop recognizing specific songs about halfway through (maybe a little past).

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 31 March 2017 04:14 (three months ago) Permalink

Also really heavy on the Farid.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 31 March 2017 04:16 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I don't think I give Sabah her do. Noticing a bunch of her albums on Spotify that I don't think I've ever heard.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 8 June 2017 04:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Due!

But there is something to be said about her do as well.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 8 June 2017 04:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Sorry, but I'm going to bed in eight minutes.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 8 June 2017 04:53 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0RJh3mC38

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:53 (one month ago) Permalink

This album is very good. I've never heard it before and had no idea it existed. I wish there were a comprehensive guide to the releases of the major Arab recording artists, or the old school ones anyway. I know these people are prolific, but sometimes I'm startled to find whole batches of material I haven't seen before.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

The other singer on the album is Wadi el Safi.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink


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