The Return Of My Bloody Valentine

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Can anyone confirm this? Can we believe it?

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

(vocalist Debbie Googe is apparently not present

I wouldn't take the word of anyone who can't actually get their facts right - Goodge was BASSIST, not vocalist.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

this has already been talked abt in a couple of other threads.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't believe it yet. it seems all a bit unsubstantiated

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck it anyway! indie is dead so there wouldn't be much point ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm irritable enough right now to take that extremely personally

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and Free Jazz is alive?

Improvise yer ass outta here, funhater!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link

free jazz/improv has a small but committed audience. ppl who are into indie go into management.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Do they? I wish I was in management. I'd be better paid. Sigh.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

ok then. they also do the marriage/kids thing and they forget indie ever existed ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to get married. I'd like to have kids. I can very much imagine HSA trying to get our babies to dance around to Throbbing Gristle the way that my dad used to scare me with Yes.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

throbbing gristle is industrial music.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was experimentalist, oh well.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Just another word for "shit".

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

also, remember that when you get married and begin to breed, you're required by law to bring a cellphone into the office and have dramatic conversations everyday with your husband, or loudly admonish your crotchspawnlings, to the obvious delight of your coworkers, every single day for the next 20 years.

or maybe that's something that's just required in the American Midwest...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

''Just another word for "shit".''


Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Julio in "can dish it out but can't take it" SHOCKAH!!!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't aware that Glider was intended as a full length LP. The idea that there may be another half dozen "Soon"-like ditties in the can is very much welcome. Simon Reynolds' old take on the matter was that he wished they'd have stuck with this direction before the recording of Loveless. I wonder whether any of their mythical drum'n'bass period will ever show up? Wasn't Debbie in a band called Snowplough or something? Colm was involved with Hope Sandoval and The Warm Inventions - Belinda's activities have been unreported to date.

Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

''Julio in "can dish it out but can't take it" SHOCKAH!!!''

I deal in facts. you deal in myths.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Going back to the ULU show in 1990, Colm's drumming was fucking breathtaking. And in such heat. The walls were literally melting. I think that Sonic Boom supported in solo guise - the usual indie liggers of the day were propping up the bar (hello Miki!).

Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Snowpony, I think. 'Snowplough' is a million times better, though.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Shields has been christened "Bagpuss" by the Primal Scream clan. Anyone know the origin of this? A friend of mine always said that MBV gave off the appearance of being unwashed and slightly smelly.

Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Julio I gotta say:

free jazz/improv has a small but committed audience. ppl who are into indie go into management.

seems roughly equal to "I will spin it positively for the subculture I like, and negatively for the one I don't" - if indie is "dead," then free jazz has decomposed. I happen to like both so whateveh, but I just wanted to say.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I like both too (well, not everything, its a case by case basis). I was just playing around.

(but actually, indie is not that much of a 'subculture' anymore whereas 60s jazz and free improv (there is a distinction here btw), despite being older, has more of that, but that doesn't matter)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

colm still plays with hope sandoval and if i'm not completely mistaken he and she are married and both live in berkeley.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

they live near berkeley in kensington.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought Hope Sandoval was hanging with William Reid, or is that mouldy old corn?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn, this thread is turning into paparazzi press!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Charlie, yer gossip is about ten years out of date!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

saw the Lost in Translation trailer!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
did I just completely miss this???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently you're not alone. But at least it's there!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

also, finally a new fansite:

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

With all the MBV dropping on ILM and the gaze thing and the fact that Kevin did several songs on Lost In Translation I would hope so. I hope so.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Kevin Shields and Ned Raggett are slowly merging into one being:

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Curt1s, Curt1s - be careful what you wish for!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

That joke has been made several times now on many threads! First by me I think. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link

He loves cheese.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:41 (seventeen years ago) link

A'right then, Ned. You've recorded you 'Ecstasy & Wine' now, obviously. When is yer 'Isn't anything' due?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Kevin Shields is my Friendster.

Kevin Shields
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Recording artist & dyslexia spokesman

United Kingdom

Long Island, NY and Dublin, Ireland

Rearranging my recording studio, bankrupting record labels, the hypnagogic state, gourmet meals, martial arts, breeding chinchillas, smoking lots of dope, watching lots of TV, easy projects, writing fresh and simple material, and just keeping it simple!

Favorite Music:
Beach Boys, Burt Bacharach, Beatles, Public Enemy, Sonic Youth, Ramones

Favorite TV Shows:
Just about anything, really.

About Me:
You may have heard of my band, My Bloody Valentine. Many critics have written about us in very flowery terms. I don't think I understood what they were saying in those reviews half the time. That guy from Phish loves me guitar sounds though. Do me a favor and buy my Lost in Translation soundtrack. Island Records isn't helping me out much these days. Also kids, don't forget to buy our box set that's coming out in early '04.

Who I Want to Meet:
Great recording effects designers, more film directors, those with good weed, record labels who understand my fondness for expensive food and all of the time I like to spend in and out of the studio. Just remember... I NO LONGER DO REMIXES!

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure sounds like him!

When is yer 'Isn't anything' due?

I must achieve my breakthrough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:51 (seventeen years ago) link

that profile is CLASSIC.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Hands up who owns his remix of Hurricane £1? < /old Select jokes>

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Shields lives in Long Island now? Where?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

the duties + demands placed on a dyslexia spokesman are immense¡
do you people really think he has time for anything else¿
surely he has found his true calling.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone post the link to 'What Kevin Shields is doing now'?

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
site says to expect this in late '05 or early '06...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

hmmm don't mean to be a cynical carl but i don't believe any of that page for a damn second.

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

last i'd heard the retrospective was a double CD, not a million disc double box set

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:22 (seventeen years ago) link

well, until then we'll have this "City Girl" video:

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:25 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry that was mean. I love MBV too

Left, Friday, 21 May 2021 18:45 (one month ago) link

as a geriatric milliennial, i pretty much have to

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 May 2021 18:47 (one month ago) link

Couple more tracks on the EP's CDs. An alternate version of Don't Ask Why and this dirty thing.

Noel Emits, Friday, 21 May 2021 23:50 (one month ago) link

I have always loved MBV but streamed the ep's for sixty seconds, felt decrepit and had to shut them off??? OTOH I can listen to some 50s jazz and feel daisy fresh. I think it's geriatric millennial cooties.

Loud Tsu (I M Losted), Sunday, 23 May 2021 00:01 (one month ago) link

sixty seconds of each song, 15 seconds of each EP, or 3.5 seconds of each song and then skipping to the next?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 23 May 2021 04:46 (one month ago) link

do I have to buy any of this shit again if I already have the CDs from the last go around?

brimstead, Sunday, 23 May 2021 17:30 (one month ago) link

what’s the german word for the relief you feel upon seeing “sold out” on the 20th version of loveless you’ve been spared to have to get

scanner darkly, Sunday, 23 May 2021 18:06 (one month ago) link

? All versions are currently showing as in stock.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 23 May 2021 18:18 (one month ago) link

i believe the german word is linderung

Karl Malone, Sunday, 23 May 2021 19:07 (one month ago) link

I got carried away (thanks to anagram) and pre-ordered but I'll probably sell the vinyl on when it finally arrives in October. The hi-res files however are worthwhile if obviously not essential.

Noel Emits, Sunday, 23 May 2021 19:08 (one month ago) link

Oh whoa they're actually selling to the US now!!

Ordered, though for some reason there doesn't seem to be any download for Isn't Anything.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Monday, 24 May 2021 13:01 (four weeks ago) link

...also the downloads instantly fail when i try to start them, womp womp

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Monday, 24 May 2021 13:02 (four weeks ago) link

the mp3s do... not the other formats

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 24 May 2021 13:15 (four weeks ago) link

Every format for me. Never had this happen with a label/artist shop using the Bleep backend before, but I could see server load being a problem, or maybe a new version of the files being migrated? It's not like I haven't heard these before; I'm just happy I could finally get the older albums on vinyl

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:53 (four weeks ago) link

i had it happen with that large batch of autechre live shows. after a month they refunded me.

koogs, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:55 (four weeks ago) link

Has anyone on ILM heard both versions of the mbv vinyl (the original pressing from 2013 and the new pressing)? Somebody on another forum said the new pressing sounds less murky than the original, which I’ve always thought sounded muddy and muted. I don’t want to shell out for the new one, though, if it was made from the same master. The details have been vague on the Domino site.

Skrot Montague, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 18:44 (four weeks ago) link

I too am looking for details on this, as well as the differences between the new standard and deluxe editions. I checked over at the Hoffman forums and lasted all of three minutes. I'm assuming the information is there but I really can't be bothered to spend an afternoon reading about DRM numbers and shipping notifications so hopefully ILM can help

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:17 (four weeks ago) link

i have both the original and the new one sitting right here waiting for me to compare them. I'll do it now.

akm, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:31 (four weeks ago) link

super quick check on the first track didn't sound appreciably different to me.

akm, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:35 (four weeks ago) link

(and I mainly bought it because the sleeve on the original is so fucking flimsy. new sleeve is better, but still not the thick booklike sleeves the last round of reissues came in unfortunately. I assume Loveless and IA are similar0

akm, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:37 (four weeks ago) link

thanks akm!

Anyone grab both versions of Loveless and Isn't Anything?

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:45 (four weeks ago) link

I'll check this again on my other stereo later today or tomorrow, it's more sensitive to things like this (I just listened on an AT-120 with some cheap powered studio monitors). It is hard to a/b when you dont have two turntables running through a mixer.

akm, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:32 (four weeks ago) link

Thank you!

Skrot Montague, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:59 (four weeks ago) link

Pretty good interview, learned some stuff and details I'd not heard before

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2021 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

Shields has a habit of making it sound like the most reasonable thing in the world one minute – bands are loud, he shrugs, but most gigs are “laughably quiet … something you’re consuming, not being consumed by” – then admitting that My Bloody Valentine reached a point where they were playing at such volume that they were causing structural damage to venues. “Chunks were falling out of the ceiling. It sounds like an exaggeration, but I’m serious – we were really concerned that eventually some roof was going to fall down,” he says. “It was a matter of time before a serious accident happened.”

Not everyone was impressed. There is a bootleg recording circulating among fans of a late 80s London gig degenerating into chaos – the sound man has given up and fled the building. Shields says that was one of the less extreme reactions. “At one gig, a butcher was literally chasing my sister with a cleaver – he wanted to chop the cable because it was shaking his shop so much when we were doing You Made Me Realise. The police turned up and arrested our tour manager during You Made Me Realise. They arrested him, put him in the car, questioned him and let him go and when he got back we were still playing it. Countless, countless situations.”


Karl Malone, Friday, 28 May 2021 18:20 (three weeks ago) link

that article is interesting but weirdly skips over, completely, MBV (the album) and says there has been nothing new from the band since the 90s

akm, Friday, 28 May 2021 18:46 (three weeks ago) link

Not quite!

With the switch apparently more off than on, the band quietly split up. Shields eventually gave up, too, joining Primal Scream and dabbling in remixes and film soundtracks. My Bloody Valentine eventually reformed for a succession of live shows in 2008, which prompted him to return to Loveless’s unfinished follow-up; m b v was eventually released, virtually without warning, five years later.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2021 18:57 (three weeks ago) link

That manager-getting-arrested story is golden.

This bit stuck out to me:

“Basically, I know when the switch is on or off. When the switch is on, everything’s fine, everything’s good, and when the switch is off, everything’s pointless. I would go: OK, I’m not trying, I’ll watch television, I’ll read magazines. That’s why Loveless became this seemingly long, drawn-out process, because I discovered pretty quickly that when circumstances around me turn the switch off, I just feel like it’s a labour, or I feel too much emotional and psychological uncomfortableness around me to be doing music in a way that’s pure, the way everyone should be doing music.”

It kinda just sounds like untreated depression to me. On the other hand, it's weirdly heartening because I think I have the same (lack of) work ethic, and if this guy could make Loveless then maybe I can make something 1/100th as cool one day.

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Friday, 28 May 2021 19:04 (three weeks ago) link

Seeing that interview pop up on my feed last night was great.
Always good to hear from the recluse.

Side note: any time I think of MBV, I can't help but think of Tim Smith (Cardiacs; R.I.P.), as well. The irony of the situation gets me every time.

co11ective, Friday, 28 May 2021 19:15 (three weeks ago) link

oooh my non-deluxe loveless arrived today

.... yes i have also ordered a deluxe copy of loveless

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 28 May 2021 19:28 (three weeks ago) link

i probably said that upthread but the irresponsibility of the decision has not lost its novelty

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 28 May 2021 19:32 (three weeks ago) link

GREAT recent Double J radio interview:
Well worth the time for fans with lots of great anecdotes.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 28 May 2021 23:41 (three weeks ago) link

This interview has the most detailed discussion of his influences I've ever heard.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 28 May 2021 23:45 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah that's really good. Hearing S*n* in that context is like, well of course! Trying not to spoil there.

Noel Emits, Saturday, 29 May 2021 13:28 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, there's a lot of things I want to quote from it, but holding back for everyone because it's the deepest Shields interview I've ever heard and the interviewer seems to have no agenda beyond wanting to learn more about his influences and process.

Spencer Chow, Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:42 (three weeks ago) link

Will give an ear when I can!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:44 (three weeks ago) link

The bit near the end of the interview where Shields talks about having him and Belinda only track vocals on Loveless without being heard by the engineers/only monitored via VU meters, as if to create similar quantum conditions to that of an unobserved photon in a double-slit experiment (and then claiming that it led to many takes being uncannily lined up in sync upon playback), is so very Shoeperstitiousssssss

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:52 (three weeks ago) link

Hahah the Jim Reid story. Great interview indeed.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 May 2021 04:39 (three weeks ago) link

So it turns out that was the edited version? There's a 3 1/2 hour cut!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 May 2021 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

I will rely on others here to report any further revelations. I loved the interview - it always helps to have an interviewer who isn't obnoxious and who knows what they are talking about - but it was tough enough finding 90 minutes to sit and listen, let alone 3 1/2 hours!

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 31 May 2021 18:29 (three weeks ago) link

You can walk and stand and drive and passenge and shop and iron and exercise and clean and paint and build model train sets instead

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 31 May 2021 19:07 (three weeks ago) link

You made me summarize

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Monday, 31 May 2021 19:22 (three weeks ago) link

near the end, he talked a lot about what he was up to during the 22 years after loveless. the short version was, he spent a lot of that time on a spiritual journey, starting with doing what he referred to as "the dumb drugs", "party drugs", and eventually ending with transcendental meditation. he seems relatively happy now, or at least content.

he also said, (and maybe this part of it isn't news, i don't know) that they're working on 2 albums (one of which is a double-album?) and 2 EPs, and one of the albums (not the double-album) is coming really soon. he seems really excited about that one. they're still working on the other stuff.

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 May 2021 20:56 (three weeks ago) link

oh, sorry paul ponzi, i thought you were referring to the 90 minute interview, which i just finished listening to. 3.5 hours is too much for me too, ha!

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 May 2021 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

someone out there, please take the kevin shields challenge

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 May 2021 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

I'm going to listen in my sleep to the remastered deluxe version of this interview and will report any hypnagogic reveries thus triggered if I can remember them.

Noel Emits, Monday, 31 May 2021 21:01 (three weeks ago) link

Had he talked about the very heavy concept behind the mbv album much before?

Noel Emits, Monday, 31 May 2021 21:03 (three weeks ago) link

Those general revelatory/apocalyptic themes Shields was claiming went into m b v seemed to potentially tie into an end-of-Mayan-calendar/Dec 2012 timeline, so at least he was only a month or so late on that thematic deadline

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Monday, 31 May 2021 21:15 (three weeks ago) link

xpost To my knowledge he had not.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 May 2021 21:22 (three weeks ago) link

honest to god there's times i almost want to challops and say this is their best album but probably just because it's new

― downton arby (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, February 4, 2013 3:28 PM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink

eight years later it is no longer new and I think I agree it is their best album

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 10 June 2021 12:04 (one week ago) link

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