Pretenders: Classic or Dud?

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Opinions on this wonderful band?

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Monday, 14 July 2003 06:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Shocked that this question hasn't been posed before now.

Classic up through Learning to Crawl, mediocre through the lean years of Get Close, Packed, Isle of View and Last of the Independents, and slightly recharged with Viva el Amor and Loose Screw.

Never dud, though. Never.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Monday, 14 July 2003 06:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

there are a couple of previous threads but they're really not very indepth

S/D: Pretenders
POX - Pretenders?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 06:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Addendum: James Honeyman-Scott was one of the finest guitarists ever, especially considering the scene from which he emerged.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Monday, 14 July 2003 06:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

First album is utterly essential. Second album? Not so much, but still quite good. Learning to Crawl was surprisingly good (after all the death). Beyond that, patchy at best.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 12:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Music: okay-ish - pleasant and undemanding.

Chrissie Hynde's hair hanging over narrowed eyes look, cruelly tensed mouth, and overall rock chick look - Dud. Send in Trinny & Susannah.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I got the first two albums off the street for $1 each and they're sublime, even if the songs do blend together a bit. (Vinyl is good cause you can stop after one side.) I'm just annoyed that neither has got "Thin Line Between Love and Hate".

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

First album is 100% essential classic, AND Chrissie's look was hot shit.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Y/N: first female-fronted rock band that macho guys wore t-shirts of like badges of pride?

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

First convincing rawk female lead? Shit-hot indeed.

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Call me a pop slut, but Learning to Crawl is my favorite. I think it's the way at the end of "Middle of the Road" she does that weird growl thing... "bbbbrneeeeoooowww!" And then the harmonica solo. Hot as shit.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Y/N: first female-fronted rock band that macho guys wore t-shirts of like badges of pride?

Whatabout Siouxsie? The Plasmatics?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
It's odd. On the face of it they shouldn't amount to a lot; a bad sign is that the songs don't usually seem to be about much, or much distinctive. ('Hymn To Her' is one exception.) Can anyone quote a great Pretenders line? That view's logocentric, but still relevant: words, we know, can nail down appeal, clarify value.

And yet - listen to those early 45s in a row, and how lightly they seem to demolish obstacles, breeze past any doubts. Pastiche is a big element - the bass-strings guitar riffs of 'Kid' feel like George Harrison or the axeman of any neat beat group; it's meta-pop, intelligence is at work somewhere, hard to pin down. But instinct too, the sound they found and didn't muck about with too much, at least at the start, and the grace of how it moves.

TS: the exhilarating key-change burst into the solo of 'Kid' vs the exhilarating same-key, same-melody burst into the solo of 'Don't Get Me Wrong'.

the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I would say like I think the bellefox is that they're a great singles band. But bellefox don't you think "Talk of the Town," "Middle of the Road," "Show Me," and "Back on the Chain Gang" have great lyrics? "Got in the house like a pigeon from hell" . . . "You with your innocence and grace restore some pride and dignity to a world in decline" . . . "The middle of the road is no private cul de sac" I will stop now.

On the taking sides, I'm a sap--"Don't Get Me Wrong"

steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i think the lyrics to "talk of the town" rate among my favourite ever.

purple patch (electricsound), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the first album is near-perfect. and even better than near-perfect it is exhilarating and wonderful to listen to. and it has many great quotable lines.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"don't harrass me can't you tell i'm going home i'm tired as hell i'm not that cat i used to be i got a kid i'm 33 baby" that's a distinctive and quotable line if there ever was one.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

GONNA USE MY ARMS
GONNA USE MY LEGS
GONNA USE MY STYLE
GONNA USE MY SIDESTEP
GONNA USE MY FINGERS
GONNA USE MY, MY, MY IMAGINATION

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


EAST 55TH AND EUCLID AVENUE WAS REAL PRECIOUS
HOTEL STERLING COMING INTO VIEW HOW PRECIOUS
IT'S A PITY THAT YOU BRUISED MY HIP 'CAUSE I'M PRECIOUS
YOU SHOULDN'T LET YOUR MANNERS SLIP YOU'RE TOO PRECIOUS

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I thought this said 'Proclaimers: Classic or Dud?' I'm disappointed. I like the Proclaimers.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my sister once made the same mistake.

purple patch (electricsound), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

purple patch I am listening to that song right now. It's not even how great the lyrics are--her singing them gives me chills. "Maybe tomorrow, maybe someday." And the guitar shifting up before "You've changed your place in this world." This song is too much!

steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"You're going gray my baby!" "Day After Day"'s on now (The Singles). "Way up there in the sky, over the city where you sleep tonight. . . ." I cannot get the moon over that skyline out of my mind right now. Jeez, not enough good things can be said about her. So, classic, I guess.

steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mystery Achievement was their first song on the air in the US. I ran out and bought the album. Utterly fantastic! "Learning To Crawl" is right there, too.. I still turn up the radio for these guys, er...

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The powers that be
That force us to live like we do
Bring me to my knees
When I see what they've done to you
All of you, except maybe Wooden

steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I will stop now, just as soon as I say "2000 Miles" must be one of the finest holiday rock songs ever, admittedly a limited category, but still. "I think of you wherever you go," and you believe her.

steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Y/N: first female-fronted rock band that macho guys wore t-shirts of like badges of pride?"

"Whatabout Siouxsie? The Plasmatics?"

The Pretenders were about before The Plasmatics, weren't they?

In any case, what about Big Brother & The Holding Company (Janis Joplin), Jefferson Airplane (Grace Slick)...?

Pretenders? First album was classic, most of the singles were pretty good and (on the handful of occasions I saw them at least) they were always pretty good live.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I only know Get Close because my Dad used to play it in the car. I like it for nostalgic reasons although I'd probably hate it if I heard it now. "Don't Get Me Wrong" and "Hymn To Her" are very lovely.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I agree about 2000 Miles, though it's funny how an American calls it 'holiday rock', which sounds like Dick Dale or Brian Wilson to me. Or maybe Shampoo.

'Private Life', 'Millionaires', 'Downtown (Akron)'. 'Criminal' is a good song. I like the tremolo on 'Never Do That'.

There is one song that's a lot like the Banshees! It's on the 45s compilation.

Great line: '2000 miles / ... it's very far!'

the bellefox, Thursday, 26 August 2004 09:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ha, precious just came on the radio.

love the pretenders, scott's description upthread of the first album as 'exhiliarating' applies to much of their stuff for me.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"When you own a big chunk of the bloody Third World, the babies just come with the scenery" is a GREAT FUCKING LINE.

phil d., Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

isn't it "dead babies"?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Pretenders! Dud!?!

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"But a wish is a shot in the dark/ When your coin's down the well."

"Now I see you/All impressed and half undressed/ You got paint stick/ All over the scars and lumps and bumps/ Tattooed love boys/ Have got you where I used to lay/ Well ha ha, too bad/ But you know what they say/ Stop snivelin', you're gonna make some plastic surgeon a rich man/ Oh, but the prestige and the glory/ Another human interest story/ You are that."

Two total classics.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Tatooed Love Boys & the Phone Call - pure genious classics... (genia?)

I always thought it was "The beggars just come with the scenery.." ya know, 3rd world .. beggars... I guess I gotta look it up now.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I still think that 'Kid' might be the peak.

the bellefox, Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kid might be one of the greatest pop songs ever written.. Thanks, I think maybe, to Nick Lowe.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

April Fools Day 1984, they played the first rock concert held at the Orpheum, a beautiful old theatre in Memphis. Venue management, worried about the hooligan element (and the fact that Chrissie Hynde had already been arrested once in Memphis for kicking out a police car's window), handed out flyers saying "behave yourselves or this will be the first and last rock show at the Orpheum." So the crowd was fairly subdued... well, meek is the word. I don't know if the band didn't know about the warnings, but Hynde kept exhorting the crowd to get up offa our asses. Finally, they started playing "I Go To Sleep," very soft and slow...quieter and slower...finally they all laid down onstage and pretended (haw) to take naps. Then they got up and tore into something more "yow!", maybe "Day After Day." We got the message and picked up the enthusiasm a couple of notches, but it still wasn't the rave-up that the band wanted. (We were well-behaved enough that that's where I saw Zappa that December.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Key words are "hot" and "shit".

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hate to interrupt this love-in, but the timing is perfect: Just the other day I was listening to "Middle Of The Road", a song I've loved for 20 yrs, and for some reason that snarky little line about some "little jerk" of a clingy fan really stuck in my craw. I mean, everybody accepts that assholes like Frank Zappa (who recorded at lot of music that I still enjoy) or Roger Waters (who didn't) had a lot of contempt for their audience, but shouldn't a rock 'n roll FAN like Chrissie Hynde be better than that?

I still like The Pretenders (who played the first and ONLY stadium-sized concert I've ever attended, Detroit's Joe Louis Arena '87, and Chrissie was totally outgoing and charismatic and made an "I'm-not-worthy" wisecrack about sharing the stage with Iggy Pop, who was the opening act, and the main reason I attended) and I still like "Middle Of The Road", but now it leaves a bit of a bad aftertaste, so tell me: Am I misunderstanding or overreacting? And why should it only now bother me 20 years after the fact?

Comments?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

there aren't many records I vividly remember purchasing, but I certainly remember the day in 1984 on the last day of school when I went to the record store and bought Learning to Crawl on cassette. An absolute classic album!

are any of their post get close albums worth the time beyond the singles? I remember not liking Packed that much when it came out, and then I don't think I bought anything else. I did get hooked on the VH1Classics Pretenders marathon hour a few weekends ago.

Ray Davies and Chrissie Hynde are a power-mullet couple if I've ever seen one.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I heard "Message of Love" the other day, and it effortlessly lifted my spirits (after a multi-hour scream fest courtesy of my teething daughter's aching little gums). Those oomphy chords at the start, Honeyman-Scott's solo, the closing harmonies.....it's an absolutely stunning marriage of rock muscle and melodic airyness (i was going to say "evanescence," but that word has been ruined for me).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

x-post to Myonga:

I never thought of that lyric as complaining about a fan. I guess you could take it that way if you look at it as a specific piece of autobiography, but "I can't get from the car to the curb without some little jerk on my back" seems a pretty universal sentiment somewhat hyperbolically stated.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen the "Message of Love" video in at least 20 years, but in my memory it's my favorite, v. simple, a circle of alternating white panels and black voids, the band set up inside the circle and playing, shot from the dark backgrounds all around. Haven't been lucky enough to see that one on VH1 Classic yet.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 21:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

My post was supposed to say that I was laughing hysterically at the idea that The Pretenders could be thought of as "dud". Instead, I messed it up.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'd say they're a dud now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I really like "Brass in Pocket" and their other song that sounds like "Brass in Pocket", but most of their first album didn't do much for me. Maybe I should listen to it again.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 26 August 2004 23:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i like the "back on the chain gang" video a lot.

i made another pretenders thread somewhere, i like them (her?) a whole lot.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Conversely, I find the video for "I'll Stand By You" really depressing: Chrissie cavorting unconvincingly in a log cabin with a model pretty-boy, proclaiming her undying dedication to him. Bleaaah. This was the woman who sang "Precious" and "Bad Boys Get Spanked"? Vile.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i like the song "i'll stand by you", though.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

only a 5.8 from Pitchfork and review includes this :

In Stockholm’s press materials, Hynde says, “I wanted to make a power pop album you could dance to—Abba meets John Lennon.” It’s frustrating that the results don't match the aims; here, she’s made a mostly fine, overly polished adult contemporary record that feels oddly generic, especially coming from her.

the writer likes the closing track though

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:02 (four years ago) Permalink

I just listened to it as well and, well, I liked the closing track too.

Funk autocorrect (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Didn't mean that to sound like a diss. The record sounds fine but hardly extraordinary. The closing track was the first (and last, I guess) time I stopped paying attention to whatever else I was doing long enough to just listen to it.

Funk autocorrect (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:26 (four years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Dr. Rumak • 20 hours ago

How do we trust that anything in this book is real, since she's already admitted to being a Pretender?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

She's lived a heck of a life.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:22 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

She made these remarks. I'm not surprised.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 August 2015 22:30 (two years ago) Permalink

I suppose that I feel charitable and defensive enough of Chrissie as a person to get on board with these remarks (cited in the linked article):

"People criticising Chrissie Hynde for her comments are overlooking that she is a victim and this is self blame. I feel v sorry for her tbh", tweeted Stephanie.

While the Guardian's Hadley Freeman echoed her thoughts: "Many people seem furious with Chrissie Hynde, and I get why, but I feel pity for her. Imagine blaming y/self for sthg so awful for so long."

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Sunday, 30 August 2015 23:39 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah i saw people calling her some pretty nasty things today and it's like hmmmm is that really the right response here.

no idea what alfred's remark is supposed to mean.

some dude, Monday, 31 August 2015 00:07 (two years ago) Permalink

i.e. I'm not surprised that Hynde, who despite her punk roots draws from a traditional well of rock and roll discourse about men and women, would make those remarks.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 August 2015 00:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think she's coming from a very different place than most contemporary music criticism when it comes to gender discourse

http://www.pretenders.org/adviceto.gif

niels, Monday, 31 August 2015 09:01 (two years ago) Permalink

#10 OTM

nashwan, Monday, 31 August 2015 09:03 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

New album "Alone" coming out that is produced by Dan Auerbach of Black Keys in Nashville. Duane Eddy is on one song and some Nashville studio guys are on others, per the press release.

They're gonna tour as the opening act for a Stevie Nicks US arena tour

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 September 2016 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink

would love to hear Stevie + Chrissie sing "Back on the Chain Gang" or "Hymn to Her."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:11 (one year ago) Permalink

That would be nice. November 4th gig in your part of the country.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 September 2016 16:26 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Been digging into their first four albums (prompted by Alfred tweeting about the debut) and man there is a real steep drop with "Get Close". Understandable given the shifting line-ups and changing times, but man Hynde was really not served well by the late 80s frills of fretless bass, shitty synth pads, etc. Big singles and maybe Chill Factor aside it's a bummer to listen to.

Also just generally struck by how much her phrasing reminds me of Dylan. Those first three albums are an incredible run.

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 February 2017 17:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Wikipedia, perhaps appropriately, lists it as both "New Wave" and "soft rock."

I'm not at all baffled by someone not liking it, and I can certainly imagine it shedding some fans of the first three albums at the time, but a few duds aside ("How Much Did You Get For Your Soul" being the yuckiest), I still love it. "My Baby," "Don't Get Me Wrong" and "Hymn To Her" are all great, shimmery pop.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:18 (one year ago) Permalink

The big singles are wonderful though - Hymn To Her, Don't Get Me Wrong and My Baby are great boomer pop xpost

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Her singing and breath control in "Chill Factor" kills me.

I'm usually a defender of expensive '80s albus, but Shakey OTM about the vacuousenss of Get Close.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:23 (one year ago) Permalink

The first four Pretenders albums are a lot like the proper Clash album discography (minus Give 'Em Enough Rope, which for some reason I never owned until I was older) in that they were so formative for me, and I've lived with them for so long now, that I'm pretty much blind to their flaws.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:27 (one year ago) Permalink

(don't trust my opinions on 'em, in other words)

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:29 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm usually a defender of expensive '80s albus, but Shakey OTM about the vacuousenss of Get Close.

I just don't think those touches play to her strengths, and they don't reveal anything or challenge her in interesting ways they just feel like half-assed window-dressing. Was kinda surprised to read Alomar was involved tbh, I can't identify his contributions.

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 February 2017 17:32 (one year ago) Permalink

you know what I really love on re-listening to these is "Pack it Up"

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 February 2017 17:33 (one year ago) Permalink

also can anyone explain why they did a song called "Louie Louie" that is not THE "Louie Louie"? idgi

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 February 2017 17:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Don't sleep on packed!. It's got some of her loveliest material ("When Will I See You," "Never Do That," "Let's Make a Pact").

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I posted this in the other thread.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:54 (one year ago) Permalink

"Thumbelina", off Learning To Crawl, sets a bar for female-led Americana that I wish was reached for more.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 24 February 2017 23:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Hidden gem on Get Close: "Tradition of Love"

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 25 February 2017 07:04 (one year ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Chrissie's performance half-saves this song for me. Imagine it in the hands of Celine Dion or some other nuance-adverse bleater and you might see what I mean.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Thursday, 8 February 2018 03:26 (five months ago) Permalink

if there were any justice in this fallen world, "show me" would have earned her a billion dollars

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:35 (five months ago) Permalink

the s/t debut is one of the best rock records ever. pretenders II is good. they are CLASSIC
p much everything after the deaths of JHS & PF = DUD

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Bar maybe a half dozen or so songs, maybe. Though Hynde remains classic, which kind of keeps the goodwill flowing. Last couple of albums did not even feature Chambers, so wonder why her sole solo album was the only one designated as such.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:30 (five months ago) Permalink

agreed that Hynde is eternally classic

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:32 (five months ago) Permalink

I'll go as far as the third album and quite enjoy the occasional single after that.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:36 (five months ago) Permalink

agreed that Hynde is eternally classic

sometime in the last decade she chose a friend's band to open for part of a tour. he told me that when they went in for their first meeting, she said "yeah I had this huge pile of CDs to look through, and you guys were the UGLIEST motherfuckers out of all the bands. I figured that you were in it for the music and not the chicks, so I wanted to check you out."

sleeve, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:39 (five months ago) Permalink

hahaha

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:41 (five months ago) Permalink

that rules lol

has she written a memoir?

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:47 (five months ago) Permalink

yes, and i read it

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:57 (five months ago) Permalink

It disappointed me. She's such a vivid talker and songwriter and was once a critic that I expected something felicitous.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:01 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah it was alright, but disappointing

she has some antiquated views about some stuff (and i understand where they come from but they are not sentiments currently in cultural vogue -- she's more caitlin flanagan than people might want her to be), and i don't really identify with her characterization of our hometown, partially because when she lived there was before i was born.
her descriptions of her life in london were pretty interesting, but not dishy.

she's very cool, as you would expect. cool = not into dishing or revealing too much
i don't remember a whole lot about it tbh, not really one of my top memoirs even though as a person she is indeed classic.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:02 (five months ago) Permalink

"yeah I had this huge pile of CDs to look through, and you guys were the UGLIEST motherfuckers out of all the bands. I figured that you were in it for the music and not the chicks

tbh I'm not really following Hynde's reasoning here

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:07 (five months ago) Permalink

Like, they're clearly in it for the music. Face for radio, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:09 (five months ago) Permalink

p much everything after the deaths of JHS & PF = DUD

nah, a lot of the 3rd album and get close is great.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:41 (five months ago) Permalink

The transition from the middle 8 to the verse in Back on the Chain Gang is one of the best things I have ever heard

Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 10 February 2018 10:52 (five months ago) Permalink

tbh I'm not really following Hynde's reasoning here

me neither; surely being in a band has a bigger perceived boost to male attractiveness for 'unconventional-looking' guys than for already-pretty boys?

I didn't know until Spotify told me that there's a version of 'Let's get lost' with Neil Tennant. I like it.

kinder, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:16 (five months ago) Permalink

I didn't like I'll Stand By You that much, but my dislike of it is based on the fact that it paved the way for Love Can Build A Bridge, the worst thing in the discography of three different artists.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:46 (five months ago) Permalink

Think Clapton has probably done worse

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:48 (five months ago) Permalink

Pretenders influence can be felt in some newer bands like dum dum girls, alvvays, Laura marling and especially stories from the city

kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:52 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The most enjoyment I've gotten out of Arcade Fire in over a decade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFvqYcYD3Y

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Friday, 13 April 2018 00:45 (three months ago) Permalink


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