Defending the As-Yet-Undefended: The Manhattan Transfer

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There is NOTHING less hip than this. I imagine it was once hip the way Bette Midler was once-hip, although Midler's cabaret era still retains a bit of aging-bohemian cachet and this... who likes this, anyway? This is the barren wasteland on the far outskirts of dad-rock and grandpa-jazz and mom-schlock, not really authentic enough for anyone and not contemporary enough (even the choice of era-revival seems impossibly dated!) for anyone who knows better than to care about authenticity.

So where do we begin?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:09 (twenty years ago) link

That album's "Java Jive" did for caffeine what VU did for heroin, therefore MT invented DC hardcore

dave q, Friday, 11 July 2003 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

The Manhattan Transfer didn't sell that many records, but every Young Urban Professional (TM) who heard 'em went out and started a mediocre jazz-pop vocal ensemble.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:17 (twenty years ago) link

They did a Doug Fieger song once, seriously

dave q, Friday, 11 July 2003 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

um, their name is a reference to the New York transit system?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

but then so is "My Metrocard" and that's the worst song ever!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:24 (twenty years ago) link

isn't it a reference to John Dos Passos?

dave q, Friday, 11 July 2003 10:26 (twenty years ago) link

you're right. never mind.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

I like their version of "Birdland" more than the original. Seriously.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:32 (twenty years ago) link

They've apparently covered Todd Rundgren's "It Wouldn't Have Made Any Difference."

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

6 of 7 people found the following review helpful:

That Cat is High, June 3, 2000
Reviewer: Tony Hinde (see more about me) from Sydney, Australia

This band is fun! Take a bunch of songs from the 20's to 40's add a band which is almost acappella and mix. What you get is some finger snappin', foot tappin'numbers that will perk up the dreariest day. This is the sort of music that makes you want to don a zoot suit and grab your best gal for some sexy swing dancing or drop in to your local speak-easy to sip a cold martini. This group of hip artists may make sweet music but you can tell they don't take it all too seriously. They're having a ball.

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Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

13 of 13 people found the following review helpful:

Yes, it really is the VERY best of the Manhattan Transfer, May 8, 1998

Reviewer: A music fan from Seattle, WA United States
I found this title quite by accident. I was looking for "The Best of the Manhattan Transfer" only to find "The Very Best of the Manhattan Transfer." Yes, they are two different CDs, but the latter obviates the need for (even subsumes) the former.

First, I love the Manhattan Transfer. I wouldn't give them a bad review if they practiced bird calls while KISS provided vocal backup. BUT, this CD is truly extradinory. It encompasses the best (small 'b') of the Manhattan Transfer -- it gives us their style, their harmony, their effortless vocal ease, without the need to buy their whole collection of wonderful music. (Yes, I do hesitate to say that, because their repetoir is quite sublime.) The fact is, if you've ever thought of buying a Manhattan Transfer CD but never have, then THIS is the one to buy, because it truly does pick the very best titles from their many releases and puts them all in one convenient place.

This CD isn't the perfect gift for an MT fan (because he or she will already have the songs on other CDs), but it is the perfect CD for anyone to whom you might want to introduce this wonderful ensemble group.

Again, this really is the very best of the Manhattan Transfer.

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Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

that review was not helpful to me AT ALL because I was tripping on some acid when that "Operator" song came on (the one that sounds like Primal Scream) and it freaked me out and now I stand out on the street passing out Christian literature

dave q, Friday, 11 July 2003 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

*dies laughing*
x-post -- was laughing at the very best of the Manhattan Transfer (it really is)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i HAVE heard the word of god, thank you

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:35 (twenty years ago) link

"he can save your soul, sir. before, i was all messed up on drugs. but since i found the lord, now i'm all messed up on the lord!"

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

An Xtian once, back home - "Do you know the song "Vancouver Shakedown" by Nazareth? Well consider this. 'Nazareth' is the home of Jesus. Vancouver is in 'BC'. The song is about a giant earthquake that will destroy the world Before Christ returns. See?"

dave q, Friday, 11 July 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

ts: xtians vs. stoners (andrew lloyd webber to thread)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

still hipper than say, sleeper are right now.

piscesboy, Friday, 11 July 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

Well apparently Le Tigre are worse, then.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

come on, le tigre are even less defensible than mannheim steamroller!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'd defend them vehemently but it's pretty obvious going by the second Lp that K. Hanna doesn't care, so why should I? Hey you should start a thread on that!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

i don't care whether k. hanna cares

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

No, on defending LT

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

i don't care.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

You don't care about the Manhattan Transfer, do you? It's a funnier idea than LT, sure. The thing is I don't know that I've ever even heard this band... the book's good.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

first concert I went to. must've been 9 or 10. they asked for requests and ppl were yelling out 'coke commercial.'

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

no wait the first concert I went to was the NYLONS. (now there's a ts for you)

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

almost as indefensible as Manheim Steamroller. Almost.

tobo, Friday, 11 July 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

You don't care about the Manhattan Transfer, do you?

Actually I sort of do. I'm curious about the scene they sprung up from, the '70s off-Broadway/West Village/nightclub/comedy club thing.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

Barry Manilow was the 'Joe Strummer' of that scene

dave q, Friday, 11 July 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

i like MT quite a bit. i have like four of their albums or so plus the 2cd best of. dq is right about "java jive" which i used to listen to often in high school, and the lyrics to birdland DO make the whole thing go smoother. actually i can't think of a single song where their arrangements don't make it stronger instead of blander.

also if they'd covered the law and order theme song they'd have been perfect.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

I kinda wish I hadn't turned down free tickets recently, but not too much

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link

what's the verdict on the Vocalese album?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:27 (twenty years ago) link

vocalese is their coolest stuff i think. the liner notes to the reissue talk about it as a lost art and make ref to all the old classic dudes who used to be like fucking BRILLIANT. i forget their names but i have some of their stuff on tape and they're doing like saxophone-style solo improvisation with improvised lyrics too all at once.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

i prefer lambert, hendricks, & ross or jackie & roy but the manhatten transfer were fine.. great voices. great harmonies. but they were never hip. unless you consider the merv griffin show hip. although, maybe i do, cuz it was the first place that i saw sylvester, pee wee herman, the boomtown rats, and rip taylor. i love java jive. more indefensible would be punk-era brit doowop/swing/50's rock revivalists Darts. They sucked!

scott seward, Friday, 11 July 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

"DUKE OF DUBUQUE"!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

I seem to remember being punching my fists in the air, and shouting "YESSS!!!" when Abba's "Knowing Me, Knowning You" knocked their wonky disco cover of "Chanson D'Amour" off the UK number 1 spot!!!! So they were good in the sense that they made one appreciate Abba!!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

here in the twilight zone. . . . .

surely their finest moment?
no, seriously

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

YES!! god they had a kind of james bond song too, with some kind of phone conversation in it...

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

a M.T. album is a necessary component of the cd collections of everyone in my aunt and uncle's social milieu, along with billy joel's greatest hits, a louis armstrong best-of, a dave grusin cd, and the "stand by me" soundtrack.

one of the duded from M.T. curates a lot of great compilations of vocal pop. i think they are big pop history nerds, which appeals to me. but their harmonies have this vast echoey quality that seems unsuited to the material. i'd rather listen to the persuaders.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

one of the duded from M.T. curates a lot of great compilations of vocal pop. i think they are big pop history nerds

so they're like nrbq (who i've always respected for those reasons, even if their music leaves me cold).

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

[another tiresome spooner post deleted by mod]

Spoonered (Spoonered), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

oooah oooah cool cool kitty.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

Just to be sure, are we talking about the boy from Nuu York City?

avery_schreib, Friday, 11 July 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Walk in Love is classic.

"We came, we saw, we fell in love..."

Genius.

Marcel Gallingez (Marcel Gallingez), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

King Pleasure rules this genre. MT's greatest moment was a bad disco version of "Boy From New York City." "Birdland" is better with lyrics, but that's like saying shit is better on toast. The early Pointer Sisters did vocalese far better than those jokers.

J (Jay), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

They were snappy dressers, though!

J (Jay), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

their album covers inspired those ugly-yet-endearing '80s broadway posters (zebra patterns, red lips, top hats, loud colors on black backgrounds) you still see in decrepit last-holdout times square fast food joints and rolled up in discount boxes at hell's kitchen framing/mounting shops.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

jody otm. also on the walls of delis.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd100/d137/d137654w6j6.jpg


(I associate these images with antiseptic leather-backed seating and abrupt waitresses and lifeless corned beef sandwiches.)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

when I was a teenager I could not imagine any music more uncool than this - and so of course last week I thought "what about the Manhattan Transfer?" and off to Spotify I went; and while they're never gonna be huge favorites, I really enjoyed listening to them & will probably do so some more. this feels like some final bridge of reevaluation for me, I seriously would hear these guys in h.s. and think "the day will never come when this seems hip to me"

that day has come

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 21 August 2017 10:28 (six years ago) link

i interviewed these guys once, they were very charming and the food was fancy

mark s, Monday, 21 August 2017 10:30 (six years ago) link

i hope you asked for the ratatatatouille

plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 21 August 2017 10:42 (six years ago) link

Les Double Six are cool though, right?

mahb, Monday, 21 August 2017 11:03 (six years ago) link

My parents had a live album and a record called Extensions that came out in 1979 and contains their one off and rather odd New Wave moment, Coo Coo U.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzuKyxQi8EA

MaresNest, Monday, 21 August 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link

oh my, i wasn't expecting *that*

plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 21 August 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link

ok, that is genuinely not what i used to have to listen to when my parents would put on their albums !

landscape via early dolby.

its rather good.

mark e, Monday, 21 August 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link

My college a capella group did an arrangement "Duke of Dubuque" that I periodically got sing the solo in.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 21 August 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link

fricking love that song

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 21 August 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link

Anyone with half a voice who heard MT as a kid and thought "this stuff isn't that bad" was destined for an a cappella group.

skip, Monday, 21 August 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link

true

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

Name comes from a cool source doesn't it? One i started reading a few weeks ago. John Dos Passos , like.

But I think I prefer Lambert, Hendricks and Ross

Stevolende, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link

I liked them when I was a teenager and still like this style of music and harmonising but to state the obvious the mid-century US vocal groups do it much better and more creatively. What some people may not realise is that the Manhattan Transfer lifted wholesale many of their vocal arrangements from old recordings - harmonies, syncopation etc all identical. This is not just covering the standards - it's ripping off someone's work entirely without acknowledgment. I don't know if a jazz artist that has done that before.

eg. This wonderful version of On the Sunny Side of the Street is copied identically by the MT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOus1fYbe2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5hPOWsDtJs

everything, Monday, 21 August 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link

I was going to say cooler than the Swingle Singers, then I remembered the Swingle Singers worked with Berio - the composer, not the olive oil. Definitely cooler than the King's Singers though but, then, what isn't? OK, Instant Sunshine.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link

The King's Singers appeal is their relentless assault against the idea of what is "cool" about close-harmony singing.

I mean, this is hilarious and awesome, assuming you like madrigals:

https://youtu.be/sCssYhnSOeE

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link

(I am admittedly biased because one of my college choir directors is good friends with Simon Carrington but I am and always will be pro-King's Singers)

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link

their album covers inspired those ugly-yet-endearing '80s broadway posters (zebra patterns, red lips, top hats, loud colors on black backgrounds) you still see in decrepit last-holdout times square fast food joints and rolled up in discount boxes at hell's kitchen framing/mounting shops.

This JBR post is grebt

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link

wow, right down to the long instrumental introduction. Blatant

skip, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link

Kings Singers stomp all over Manhattan Transfer. They certainly have their whimsical material which is often performed to showcase their virtuosity and there's no doubt that's very uncool. But their classical stuff and their more serious repetoire can be genuinely moving.
Love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRIrqiwkdYs

everything, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link

They have a stellar arrangement of "Little David, Play on your Harp" that my kids love:

https://youtu.be/1Cu_jBAYpyE

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link

That's all very well but the first post claimed about Manhattan Transfer that There is NOTHING less hip than this...

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link

Already answered upthread - Instant Sunshine.

everything, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link

This video, for "Soul Food to Go," from the Brazil album (1987) touches a nostalgic nerve in me. The song was co-written by Doug Fieger of The Knack, of all people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gc9xVRLFHU

Josefa, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:31 (six years ago) link


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