DON: Well, yeah.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link
Was debating whether or not Don deserved a place on the "a very stupid man convinced of his own brilliance and surrounded by lapdogs and yes-men" thread, but I suspect Don is so convinced of his own brilliance he has no lapdogs and yes-men. Well, maybe he has "well, yeah" men.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 December 2022 04:57 (one year ago) link
I'm not that familiar with him outside of his hit records, but his biggest and best-known hits rely so much on established contributors, I imagine he realizes he has to listen to other people to repeat that success, though I guess you can't expect Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Bruce Hornsby, etc. to be "yes men."
FWIW found this recently - Michael Fremer of all people interviewed Henley right about the time Building the Perfect Beast was released, back when he was still trying to attain the same audience as the Eagles. (I'm guessing the new album hadn't taken off yet.)
https://www.analogplanet.com/content/don-henley-finds-his-thrill-sunset-grill-0
― birdistheword, Thursday, 8 December 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
This part's pretty key:
“I like to think of myself as a good casting director. One of the most joyous parts of recording for me is assembling the musicians and especially the singers. I mean, that’s the fun part at the end, after you’ve sweated the lyrics.” Henley called on Motel Martha Davis, Patty Smythe of Scandal, Go-Go Belinda Carlisle, and Sam Moore (of Sam and Dave) among others, to sing harmonies and background vocals.
“I have a lot of nerve. I’ll call anybody. I didn’t know Patty or Sam and some of the others. I was afraid some of those people were not going to be into an old guy from the mellow Seventies, you know? And Patty said, ‘Are you kidding?’ I used to sing ‘Witchy Woman’ when I was 15!” Don called bare-acquaintance Lindsey Buckingham, who would up singing and playing guitar on “You Can’t Make Love.” Sixteen year old guitar wiz Charlie Sexton played on “Man With a Mission,” and producer Jimmy Iovine’s suggestion that Don work with a young writer named Mike Campbell yielded “The Boys of Summer.” “It’s really unhealthy to just stick together in little groups.”
― birdistheword, Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:00 (one year ago) link
(FWIW, I think a lot of the album sounds terrible. The four A-sides and maybe the Sam Moore duet are pretty much the only things I'd listen to again, and even those have plenty of detractors, especially "All She Wants to Do Is Dance.")
― birdistheword, Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link
it's really unhealthy to just stick with Don Henley
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link
On the contrary: the album sounds great. The synths on "The Boys of Summer," of course, but also on "Sunset Grill" and "All She Wants to Do is Dance," Buckingham's harmonies on "You Can't Make Love," lots of other details. It's the lyrics that let it down.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:06 (one year ago) link
He's a real well, yeah manStuck there in his well, yeah landMaking all his well, yeah plans for Don Henley
― I did see Xhaka crotchgrab (breastcrawl), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link
"A young writer named Mike Campbell"?
Huh? I would think that Campbell was already pretty well-established by that point. Dude had already cowritten "Refugee," "Here Comes my Girl," "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," "You Got Lucky," surely several other indelible songs.
Gotta say that I love the duet and duet-adjacent stuff. "Leather and Lace" is all-time. "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough" is great. I suspect he is there but uncredited on "No Mistakes." Whoever is singing backup on "No Mistakes" is either Henley or someone doing a very good job of sounding like Henley.
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:26 (one year ago) link
I yakked whenever "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough" came on for the seventh time that hour in fall '92; in retrospect it's one of the last times aging boomers scored a legit #2 pop hit.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link
De gustibus, your lordship. I think it's sweet.
Henley solo > Eagles, well yeah
But also Henley solo > Frey solo.
Walsh is a highly entertaining person with some very good records, but there is a limit to how much Walsh I need to hear in a sitting. I could probably fill a reasonably capacious cassette tape with just Henley and Henley-adjacent material and it would be listenable.
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link
The goofiness of Walsh is so overstated, his albums are full of meandering moody Floyd-like epics
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:33 (one year ago) link
sorry, I wasn't clear: I can stand the Smythery now.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:33 (one year ago) link
xp Not saying you were overstating his goofiness there, ymp
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link
Glenn Frey needed more "You Belong to the City"s
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 December 2022 18:31 (one year ago) link
Sax on the Beach 12” remix
― calstars, Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link
He needed less sax.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
I think he and Glenn had plenty of sax.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:34 (one year ago) link
Oiled Up Sax Guy
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:37 (one year ago) link
"Josh, Jim, you don't get it, guys. Let me explain, man."
https://i.imgur.com/b6foObE.jpg
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link
The deal with "Boys of Summer" was Petty passed on it, right? But Jimmy Iovine liked it and shopped it around.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 December 2022 20:36 (one year ago) link
Yeah, Petty passed on it (though he did try tweaking it a bit with Campbell first), and then Iovine sent word to Campbell that Henley was looking for songs and asked Campbell to send him some demos. Warren Hanes wrote about it his book - it culminates in Campbell and Petty going into a car to play a rough mix of "Don't Come Around Here No More." Apparently it wasn't a good mix, and as soon as they stopped it, the car switched to the radio and they heard the final seconds of "Boys of Summer," along with the DJ raving over it and saying it was going to be a huge hit. (In Campbell's words, "['Don't Around Here No More'] wasn't finished yet, but still, BIG difference.") Petty that congratulated Campbell, saying he wish he had the foresight to hold on to that song, and Campbell then expressed his relief that Petty didn't break his other hand.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 8 December 2022 20:58 (one year ago) link
Then he wrote "Runaway Trains," which gleefully pilfers the "Boys" sound.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 21:00 (one year ago) link
birdistheword, a pity you weren't here for our epic Eagles listening thread. Those who have functioning cerebellums remember the experience as if we'd survived Omaha Beach.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 December 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link
That’s what a fool believes, Kenny
― calstars, Thursday, 8 December 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link
Speaking of yacht rock, TIL that on Patty Smythe's self titled album, one of the credited backing vocalists is Kipp Lennon.
Kipp Lennon later joined Ambrosia.
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 December 2022 23:30 (one year ago) link
I find it backwards that steely mentioned the eagles first and then the eagles had to “volley” back a reference…wtf
― calstars, Thursday, 8 December 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link
Irving Azoff threatened to break their knees iirc
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:07 (one year ago) link
This photo is a pretty good litmus test for politics: do you regard these men with respect, or disgust? pic.twitter.com/i449hrbnzD— haulin’ boss crude (@bosscrood) November 21, 2022
"We Saw You From Across The Bar And Really Dig Your Vibe...Would You Like A Drink?"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:12 (one year ago) link
"Come join us at your local Big Daddy's!"
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:14 (one year ago) link
Drink your big black cow
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:15 (one year ago) link
Well, Hey 19
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:18 (one year ago) link
Dave’s on Canal st
― calstars, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link
I think you know what I mean
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link
Fagen giving out some “just on a weekend fishing trip on the lake with my pal Don” vibes imo
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:27 (one year ago) link
What are the odds that Donald knows how to swim
― calstars, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:30 (one year ago) link
I'd learn to swim if I shared a rowboat with Don Henley
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link
We haven't had that spirit here since 1979
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:43 (one year ago) link
Warm smell of Sunny D rising up through the air
― calstars, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link
"We found a body."
― The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Friday, 9 December 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link
if Don Henley fell in the woods, would he make a sound, and if so, would he record it, and if so, would you listen to it
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 December 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link
He would probably smell like colitas
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 December 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link
The Walden Woods
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 9 December 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
Holy fuck, that horn section play out on “Sunset Grill” is completely ridiculous. Is that Emulator or the real thing? Guilty pleasure song, tho.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 December 2022 22:58 (one year ago) link
Also: Party Smyth’s ace chorus harmony, Pino Palladino’s burping fretless and the rolling Linndrum beat (credited to—checks notes—no one) while Don moans about working girls, “basket people” and auburn skies make “Sunset Grill” peak Henley. In general I’d say the rolling Linndrum songs are the best things on this album by a mile. It would appear that Danny Kortchmar’s contributions are the worst.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link
Don’t be fooled: “sunset grill” sucks
― calstars, Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link
I know he meant it compassionately but is there a better encapsulation of Henley's putrid us-vs-them ethos than this bit:
Maybe we'll leave come springtimeMeanwhile, have another beerWhat would we do without all these jerks anyway?Besides, all our friends are here
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:49 (one year ago) link
It sounds like a commercial for a competitor of Sizzler or Applebees
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
TGI Henley’s
― calstars, Friday, 16 December 2022 00:08 (one year ago) link
You can check out the potato skins anytime you want but
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 00:12 (one year ago) link