Alice Coltrane - S/D

Yeah, it's really hard to get excited about this knowing the original album won't be a part of the package. Seems like a missed opportunity.

wait...but do we know that? :) others upthread suggest it might be in the works, so i'm not putting off hope.

but yeah. what they did to "krishna krishna" alone was very bad! compare them, this is significaaaaaantly different. like, they took away the whole beautiful ecstatic moment in the middle of it! and instead, left just only one simple low bass pad to replace it. now it's calm, through that stretch. there's no longer that stretching up and wailing toward the heavens (or whatever). it's a small omission - to me those sounds are the most distinctive thing about the whole album. :(

I'd say since we have an official announcement and pre-orders are live without any mention of the original album... it's pretty unlikely at this point.

whoops, left out a word here, that should be

it's ^NOT^ a small omission - to me those sounds are the most distinctive thing about the whole album.

ok, circling back here because i was very confused about something, and since the entire release/recording of this things is weird, maybe some of you are too!

uh...forget everything i was saying above, heh. here's how i THINK it went, in real life, chronologically:

1. alice records the songs of Turiya Sings in a very basic way, "stripped down". this is the reissue we're talking about today (though i'm sure it's remastered or whatever too)
2. ravi hears these songs as a child, in this stripped down way. he likes these songs.
3. alice continues to work on the Turiya Sings recording, eventually adding those signature synth washes (sorry, i know that term is annoying but hopefully you know what i'm talking about) and other elements.
4. alice puts out the 1982 devotional cassette Turiya Sings. it fucking rules, but no one hears it.
5. the challenger explodes, killing all seven crewmembers, including teacher Christa McAuliffe
6. youtube is invented
7. the 1982 Turiya Sings explodes on Youtube, with literally thousands of people hearing it for the first time. "you gotta hear this" texts are sent and received warmly
8. ravi finds the old recorded versions of these songs, somewhere, probably behind the couch.
9. ravi fondly remembers hearing these songs as a child, in their simpler form, before all the extra elements which rule so hard and are so critical the album were added. but he really likes the more stripped down version - "In this setting I felt the greatest sense of her passion, devotion and exaltation in singing these songs in praise of the Supreme. In that moment, I knew people needed to hear Turiya Sings in this context”
10. Kirtan: Turiya Sings is released with just the oldest, stripped down version of the songs.
(11?) the original 1982 cassette version remains out of print (if it can ever be considered in print at all)
(12?) the water wars begin in earnest

sounds about right

The new version (without the synths) is over an hour long according to Apple Music, so the 2-LP preorder is likely just the new version. Perhaps the deluxe edition with the original version will be announced later?

i should have read the finer details before ordering. madness!

is this somebody here upped this?
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=708979

Alice Coltrane Sextet: 'Live At The Berkeley Community Theater 1972'

Contrast clause:

Different source and lineage to this torrent http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=652513

Label/Cat#: BCT Records – BCT-1972
Country: Germany
Year: 21 May 2019
Genre: Jazz, Folk, World, Country
Style: Avant-garde Jazz, Free Jazz, Space-Age
Format: 2 × Vinyl, LP, Album, Limited Edition, Unofficial Release

Lineage: Technics SL-1200M3D w/AT 440MLb -> Rane MP2015 -> Logic Pro X -> iZotope RX7

Tracklist:

A – Journey In Satchidananda
B – A Love Supreme
C – My Favorite Things
D – Leo

Credits:

Bass – Charlie Haden
Drums – Ben Riley
Harp, Organ, Piano – Alice Coltrane
Sarod – Aashish Khan
Tabla – Pranesh Khan
Tambora, Percussion – Bobby W.

yes, that was me!

oh wait, I did the original one, not this new one

lol

but you put out the original one, but now this there's this other one floating around that's similar. i see

yep that's correct, KM

man I am pissed abt this reissue remix nonsense, dammit Ravi

(that being said, I can see the logic in releasing both, but just this? c'mon)

that's a nice lineage on the new one but IMHO my MMF-5 turntable smokes any Technics esp with some generic AT cartridge

I was not aware that technics were known for their audio quality, thoight it was the durability/performance

I wonder if it's a situation where the extra sounds were originally dubbed directly to the "master cassette", which may have been lost, and all that's available in good quality is the original organ and vocal track.

also a thought that crossed my mind.

in any case, it will hopefully lead to more people listening to alice coltrane. i am firmly of the belief that the more people there who listen to her music, the more bearable the world will be.

good point

(points, both posts there really)

OK listening to the original now and, holy shit

Was just browsing the Dusty Groove site and apparently her final album, Translinear Light, is being reissued next month as part of a Japanese 60th anniversary Impulse! series. (I just bought CDs of Pharoah Sanders' Summun Bukmun Umyun and Live at the East, both of which have been out of print on CD forever — in fact, I don't think Live at the East was ever released on CD in the US.)

Slightly off topic, but thanks for the tip unperson. Grabbed a copy of Live at the East myself, sadly looks like I just missed out on Summun Bukmun Umyun.

Weird that one's been OOP as they've 2-fer'd so many Pharoah albums that aren't as well regarded. Then again they remastered all that stuff louder than the 90s CDs so might be for the best.

Sorry, also OT.

yeah, thanks for those tips---hadn't heard of Translinear Light! Describe, please. I've only got the Luaka Bop comp, and Spiritual Eternal: The Complete Warner Brothers Studio Recordings double-CD, typically done up right by Real Gone.

Translinear Light was released in 2004; Alice plays piano and organ (no harp as I recall) with two different rhythm sections: Charlie Haden and Jack DeJohnette on four tracks, James Genus and Jeff "Tain" Watts on three others. Ravi Coltrane plays tenor and soprano sax on about half the album, and his brother Oran plays alto sax on one track. It's good, but always felt a little slight to me, despite having 11 tracks and running 73 minutes.

Oh yeah, that sounds like some of the Warner Brothers double-disc collection: works better there than it would as a stand-alone.

dow you need to listen to her Impulse! records (start with Ptah, the El Daoud maybe). I'm sure some people around here would disagree, possibly vehemently, but IMHO you've essentially got the weakest parts of her catalogue.

FTR, I do like the Luaka Bop/Turiya stuff, but I've never recovered from my Indian American partner thinking it was extremely bemusing that I was intently listening to the kinds of songs she was forced to listen to and sing at religious functions as a kid (i.e., imagine if a bunch of hipsters all got into the music you sang in Xian youth group, deeming simplistic songs about Jesus transcendent and sublime lol). Her reaction didn't ruin it for me, but I def have more appreciation for her 1968-72 albums than anything after.

another classic entry point is Journey in Satchidananda. From the very first notes, it dives deep into her warmest music

that's my usual suggested entry point too. Not sure why I switched to Ptah except that I somewhat randomly heard "Turiya and Ramakrishna" a couple days ago, and I both knew every note and found it immensely moving

And don't miss The Elements with Joe Henderson. Proper fire music.

yeah every home should have a copy of journey

otm. When pressed I tend to say that's my favourite album (of all time, not just AC), though I also stammer, hem and haw while doing so because I hate answering that question

PROSECUTOR: rob, i must press on this. answer this once and for all: what is your favorite album...
*rob gulps*
PROSECUTOR: ...OF ALL TIME?!
DEFENSE ATTORNEY: objection, your honor! you know the defendant hates answering that question.
JUDGE: overruled.
*rob hems and haws*
PROSECUTOR: take all the time you need, rob, but i think we both know the answer here
ROB: J-j--j-jo-
PROSECUTOR's SHADOW ...say it....
DEFENSE ATTORNEY: don't follow the putrid, yellow light! follow the clear light!
ROB: J-ourney to Satchidananda
DEFENSE ATTORNEY: *slams table with fist*
JUDGE: false. Journey IN Satchidananda
*trap door to hell opens underneath rob*

lmaoooo

but Your Honor, with all due respect, I implore you to check the name of track 6 on the Ecstatic Music compilation and then go fuck yourself

JUDGE: i told you i can't read, goddammit! burn in hell!

activist judges aside, I do like that the title is IN not TO and wonder if that's an error on the Ecstatic comp

no, i think that's the title on the original release, Glorious Chants! i think it's a purposeful distinction

interesting, thanks!

Woah, a diff take:
I just got Translinear Light and listened to it a couple times today. I think it's possibly the album of the year for me so far, al-out heavy and emotional. The first track actually sounds a bit like the Theatre of Eternal Music. I don't think I've heard organ playing like the playing on this album before, with all those pitch bends making it like guitar and sax solos. The saxes just cut through. I like the synth washes a lot myself.

The only thing I don't get is the need to end with a track of Sai bhajan chanting. I'd visit my parents' friends on weekends if I wanted to hear that. But, whatever, I guess it has meaning for her.

― sund4r subramanian (sund4r), Sunday, November 28, 2004 And Dr. Benway said the Japanese edition incl. cover of "A Love Supreme Pt.1."

I like Transliner Light more than any of the Warner releases fwiw

got my ship notification for the new reissue this morning. hells yes.

is Ptah ever going to get reissued?

Ptah is maybe #1 on my wishlist of reissues, but I'd heard that the (tape) master was in that universal fire which is why it hasn't been reissued with others. I would love to be wrong about that though!

I'd be fine with a digital master or copy frankly, just get it out there

I bought a non-boot copy of Ptah on a CD issued by Impulse this year.

Yeah, Ptah is not hard to come by. Amazon has it in stock right now.

well, I meant on vinyl since I stopped buying CDs. I have it digitally and have forever.

Ironic username / post from leading manufacturer of DACs.

https://www.akm.com/us/en/products/audio/audio-dac/