Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

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With the odd notable exception like 'American Beauty', 'Anthem of the Sun' and a few other studio albums, the Grateful Dead have always been about live performance. It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense. And their live albums contain some extraordinary music (as well as some dodgier moments).

But there's just so much of it out there. By my reckoning they released eight regular live albums during the life of the band, but since then the floodgates have opened. There are now 29 Dick's Picks releases, most of them triple CDs, and about a dozen other albums like One/Two From The Vaults, Ladies & Gentlemen, Hundred Year Hall, The Phil Zone etc.

So, what have you heard and what do you like? Are there particular periods (the 80s?) that are no-go areas? Is it only worth bothering with stuff from 68-71?

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

You've obviously got to start with 'Live Dead'. I listened to it again over the weekend, and it still sounds extraordinary. There may be better versions of 'Dark Star' out there, but as the first one I heard it'll always be the definitive one for me.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

yes can we have some ans here. I need to know what to look out for!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been piling through a lot of my Dead live Cds/box sets over the last couple of weeks, but I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface. I've got several thoughts about it, but for the moment I'll just say:
1) I've not heard a version of 'Dark Star' that isn't awesome.
2) The quality of the version of a song bears no relation to how good the jamming is going to be after it (i.e. ignore the ropey vocals, there's some good stuff coming along in a minute).
3) Brent Mydland. Oh dear.
4) Donna Godchaux. Oh dear, oh dear.
5) They were something fucking special around 68-71. I feel like trying to pick up every single thing that's been released from this period.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Julio, from the other GD threads you say you really like 'Live Dead'. From that era I'd definitely recommend Dick's Picks 4 (recorded at the Fillmore East in Feb 1970) and Two From The Vaults (from 1968).

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

search: the dead from 1973-74. totally at the top of their game during this period.

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Reckoning -- The traditional "Live" album for LP release. Quiet, crisp performances. No flubs, all first rate versions, and a pleasure to listen to throughout. 9.6

Dick's Picks #4 -- Fillmore East, February 13-14, 1970 -- Better than Live Dead, but do have a chance of finding it? 9.4

Nightfall of Diamonds -- Winterland, 10/10/89 -- Great sound; a bit noodley in places, but right nice. 8.6

Dick's Picks #8 -- Harpur College, 5/02/70 -- Three-Quarters of this is impeccable; good form, nice song selection - one disc acoustic, one disc electric, and one disc rave-ups (i don't much care for their R&B covers like "Dancing in the Streets" and "It's A Man's Man's Man's World"). 8.5

Ladies & Gentleman... The Grateful Dead -- Filmore East, April 1971 -- A good listen, but it delves a bit too much into the Helter Skelter for strict listening. Works better as background -- but is noteworthy for the block of Pigpen's blues numbers. 7.8

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Harpur College

my alma mater! (aka "the liberal arts college of SUNY Binghamton")

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I've heard a good bit of Dead over the years, and own a fair amount of albums. I second Dick's Pick's Four... the best album I've heard from them. Live/Dead is of course essential, and I think Europe '72 is as well. It was the first Dead record I bought. It's from a bunch of shows from their Europe '72 tour which is among their very best tours (many would say there best. It's there last tour with Pigpen and their first with Keith). It contains little jamming (disk two has some) and was mainly released because the songs on there had yet to be put to vinyl. It was also a bit touched up in the studio, I believe. I know they recently released another cd from that tour, as well as an expanded Europe '72, though I don't think I've heard either, I believe they're quite good as well.

One From the Vault is strong, too. It's from '75, and was from one of two shows celebrating the release of Blues for Allah. It contains every song from that album (in a better version)--including the title track which is, unfortunately, a total dud, IMO (though I'm hardly alone). The Dead didn't tour in '75 or '76, but this is a strong performance though not essential.

I agree on 68-71 being strong. But so is the Europe '72 tour - 74.Dick's Pick's 12 features the quite famous "Mind Left Body" jam as well as the glorious return of "China Cat Sunflower" to their catalogue.

Pretty much all of '77 is great. 5-8-77 Cornell is their most frequently bootlegged show, and thus essential, though not their best performance. It shouldn't be hard to find. '78 is good too, and then they hit a lull.

I believe it's '83 that I've heard good things about, but I've never taken the time to investigate. '78 was the last time they released a studio album until '87, so I kind of avoid it. In '87 bounced back from a heroin-induced coma, and the band was strong again so I'd seek out some stuff from this era too.

Hope this helped a little. I also have to highly recommend the Jerry Garcia Band (which is mostly just a cover band) release Don't Let Go from '75 with Keith on acoustic piano. It's a very tight, mellow session. With only one guitar in there, you can really hear how good of a guitarist Jerry was when he was on.

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The other thing about '77 is that it's when they became really, really funky. That's why it's so popular. And as usual, when they were on--which was often that year--they were really on. Many would say it's their best year, and I agree it's definitely one of them.

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

''Julio, from the other GD threads you say you really like 'Live Dead'. From that era I'd definitely recommend Dick's Picks 4 (recorded at the Fillmore East in Feb 1970) and Two From The Vaults (from 1968).''

will do

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

apologies for the faulty spacing there...

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Dick's Picks #4 -- Fillmore East, February 13-14, 1970 -- Better than Live Dead, but do have a chance of finding it?

You can still get any of the Dick's Picks from the Dead's own site ( DP4 is $21 plus postage.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

No shit? I've been looking for a "gift" copy for years -- Thanks, JB.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

The new Dick's Picks 39 is a six-disc set of two 1977 shows.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoops, that's 29.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing with a lot of live Dead stuff is that even the better gigs have a lot of average stuff on them, but they're worth hearing for the moments where the inspiration hits and they really take off.

So I don't know why they don't release more albums that take stuff from a variety of performances (and eras), cherry-picking the really juicy tracks. 'The Phil Zone' is a good example of this - it's got a great range of stuff, even some not-bad performances from the late 80s. And it's got an absolutely monster version of 'Hard to Handle', which not only rocks like a bastard, it's from an audience tape so you can hear everybody going mental as they crank it up.

(I also wish you could hear more audience on a lot of the Dick's Picks. They capture the music well, but not always the whole occasion. OK, I know they're mostly taken from the mixing desk so maybe that's not possible.)

Aaron or chaki - could you recommend any good Dick's Picks from 73-4 or 77?

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been meaning to contribute to this thread, but I wanted to wait for a free moment to audition a bunch of my stuff again. One good thing this thread has done is get me to finally listen to the package of Dick's Picks I got a couple months ago but hadn't listened to yet (well, I threw them when I got them but wasn't able to listen as closely as I'd like): 22 and 26. So far, 26 sounds great! A bunch of rare live Aoxomoxoa songs!!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

#4 and #8 are my favorites (though i kinda stopped paying attention after 16 or so - not for lack of interest but lack of cash)

search GRAYFOLDED - Oswald's "plundering" of over 100 versions of Dark Star from 69-95. Essential drone

Anthem of the Sun and Live/Dead are pretty much perfect legit albums btw

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 July 2003 06:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I was thinking of getting 26, Mr D. The track listing looks very promising, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

And I've just looked at the tracks for 22, that also looks tempting. I listened to Two From The Vaults over the weekend, from the same year (and with a similar set). There's something about the sound of the band/Garcia's guitar from that time (68/69). I can only describe it as having a lot more bite.

Completely agree with you roger about Live/Dead - that's the benchmark for me, both the version of Dark Star and the album as a whole.

I was surprised the first time I heard Grayfolded how 'ordinary' a lot of it sounded i.e. not ordinary as such but just like a great extended version of Dark Star, the first CD at least. The vocal 'swooshes' and 'folds' sound good though.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 7 July 2003 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link


James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link


James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Revive, please.

Just listening to vol 12's lovely version of China Cat Sunflower, as mentioned above by Aaron M.

Any new opinions?

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I really like #16. I feel like the only Dead I ever buy is stuff from 68-70. I just saw #4 at a store and it looks great, after reading this I've decided I need it. Hundred Year Hall is a great set and I enjoy a lot more than the Europe 72 album, which I think sounds kind of neutered. There is a lot of inspired jamming and an absolutely beautiful Pigpen vocal on "Two Souls in Communion." I haven't listened to it in years, though, since my copy was stolen. I have a hard time buying Grateful Dead discs sometimes, although I have no problem listening to them.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Closing of Winterland looks promising.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
the dvd? it's fucking awesome! Possibly my favorite music DVD ever!

i'm too tired to elaborate, but if you consider that Neil Young has Candian citizenship, and if you exclude the American contingent of Fleetwood Mac at their absolute peak, The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time.

Trux and the Drive By Truckers are tied for me personally, but we're looking through history's lens here, people. The Dead. the fucking DEAD!!!!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I spent last weekend listening to Ladies and Gentlemen... the Grateful Dead, that 4cd set that Arista put out a couple years back. Fucking PRIME '71 era shit. Absolutely G=god-like. Rog, you gotta get that one if ya don't have it...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, I really want to see this..

I do have to admit, I didn't get that excited about Closing of Winterland though. THen again, I watched it at like 3 in the morning a couple months ago when I was pretty wiped out. I'll give it another go.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm a ridiculous Godchaux apologist, FWIW.

haven't tracked down that Arista set - 71, eh? I'm more a 72-77 kinda guy, but will check it out - thanks!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow, a 72-77 guy! I'm impressed. I'm still trying to get with the Godchaux era. I think it will come to me in due time. Do you have that One From the Vault? That one's pretty good, as I recall.

Yeah, the Ladies and Gentlemen thing is '71 but it's pretty song-oriented. Sort of midway between the psychedelic blow-outs and the Europe '72 stuff. It's a nice, pleasant listen. GREAT version of "Bird Song".

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

im a 73 guy and yah the new dvd is great!!

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:23 (sixteen years ago) link

ok, fuck it, Chaki I trust you.. I will watch it again!! It just kind of seemed goofy to me. With the whole dude riding in on a joint at the beginning of the concert. Like, you almost want to shake Bill Graham and the Dead and say, "the 60's are OVER!! Didn't you guys watch 'gimme shelter'??" Plus, the Godchaux. And "Fire on the Mountain" goes on entirely too long. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Dead, don't get me wrong, but that 'FOTM' just goes on too long, sorry. But I will check it out again, as I said...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmm.. I just started watching it again, midway through the set. You know what? This version of "Friend of the Devil" is really kind of beautiful! Even Donna is kind of endearing right here! Mea culpa.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:45 (sixteen years ago) link

"Even Donna" - wtf?

Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.

She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.

The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Disk one of Vol. 23 rules. I have to admit, though, that the "China Cat Sunflower" / "I Know You Rider" medley gets sooo tiresome after listening to Dick's Picks.

Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link

the "Dark Star" on Rockin' the Rhein is eyeball-melting

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I bought Dick's Picks 22 on a fleeting whim a few days ago.
I'm a little regretful of it now.
Feb '68 show at a Lake Tahoe bowling alley. Vocals are rarely audible (which I guess isn't always a bad thing, har har).
Now I'm wanting Rockin the Rhein.
I think I need a break from the Dead.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I just listened to Reckoning this past Friday night. Always a treat to pull that one out.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

'Two From the Vault' is's mastered or mixed really well for headphones. And at the end of 'Morning Dew' the house pulls the electricity from them, great moment.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense."

Au contraire. Au contraire.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

"The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time."

i take umbrage with this comment.
and so would CCR.

me rawk.
you snow.

eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Regarding my last post, in case it's not clear, I mean to say that they SUCK LIVE. I don't get it.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Blues for Allah is the best thing they ever did, according to me

Help/Slip/Frank rules

Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Donna's "soulful" scream at the end of "Scarlet Begonias" on Dick's Picks 7 is the most out-of-key singing I've heard on an officially released record.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link

apparently there's a letter to the editor in the new Arthur from me regarding The Dead, but i haven't seen it. i can't get it here

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
HELP - I'm visiting a well-stocked Deadhead (over 300 shows) who has kindly offered to let me borrow whatever I want from his stash - any suggestions as to what I shld look out for - keep in mind that I generally prefer Dead Stuff w/ LOTS of guitar solos, the freakier the better, and am less concerned abt 'songs' per se

Thank You

Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I just got this Jerry Garcia Band 3-CD Kean College set from 1980 that Rhino put out last fall. S'good! I'm just a dabbler in the Dead, but this is close to perfect -- nice sparse 4-piece, warmly recorded, the grooves don't overwhelm the songs and vice-versa -- I mean, the grooves are songlike, and the songs are groovelike. And maybe because he doesn't have to work to make himself heard, Jerry's playing is even more loose and gentle than usual. The solos are like barstool conversations. I think I'm going to be listening to this a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (fifteen years ago) link

yah that shit kicks ass

chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I once mistook her for Kate Bush when a housemate was playing a Dead show

― sleeve

ts: donna's version of "babooshka" versus her version of "escape (the pina colada song)"

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 00:49 (ten months ago) link


Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 00:50 (ten months ago) link

Those were good. I loved the 19 cover with the wheat field.

My unofficial ranking of the Dick's art:
lightning bolt (19-24)
tape box (1-6)
mailers (26-30)
cosmic moving fractals (31-36)
fractals (13-18)
one off Dick plaque (25)
flying carpet (7-12)

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 13:59 (ten months ago) link


☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 15:33 (ten months ago) link

four weeks pass...

The new Dave's Picks 32 confirming that there are still loads of great '73 shows to be mined. You know it's a good show when Phil pretty much nails the "Box of Rain" vocals.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 November 2019 16:39 (nine months ago) link

My parents were at the vol 24 show. It was their wedding night.

brimstead, Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:31 (nine months ago) link

haven't gotten to it yet but 30 from earlier this year fuckin knocked me over. one of the best shows ever.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 9 November 2019 23:16 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

I've just bought Dick's Picks vol 36 for a high, but reasonable price.

Duke, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:13 (six months ago) link

Hesitated because I've got lots of 72 Dead. But went for it because I love 72 Dead

Duke, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:14 (six months ago) link

Hell yeah, September 72 might be their single best month

J. Sam, Friday, 31 January 2020 02:25 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Listening to the first set from Get Shown the Light from 5/5/77 and I've rewound the guitar solo on "Peggy O" three times now.

Revolutionary Girl Utrenja (Tom Violence), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 23:25 (three months ago) link

i was spinning "the eleven" from 1970-04-24 for a couple friends just now (those of you who can't fuck with AUDs are missing out, that performance is fire) and it has me thinking again that i really am curious as to what a "power trio" dead would have sounded like, just jer, phil, and billy

of course they never played in that performance but it does make me wonder if the stems are out there of any of the multitrack shows from back in the day, if anybody's tried it, just mixing out bob and keith or tc or whoever else was with them that day

like, uh, you know, if you've ever heard the raw mix of "maggot brain" and there's a really prominent vibraphone part, or the way david cross is basically mixed out of the "red" version of "asbury park"

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 April 2020 01:25 (three months ago) link

There are some interesting '74 single drummer shows on the Archive where the sound mix is jacked such that you can hear different incarnations of the band, like the Bertha from is basically just Jerry, Bill and Keith, not sure if there are any from this era that just capture Jerry, Bill and Phil though.

BrianB, Thursday, 30 April 2020 16:07 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I've heard some weird mix shows and I definitely like hearing them. Half the time the Dead sound good it just seems like an accident! With all the tapes out there, there's so much room for fucking around... What Oswald did was interesting but it was all based on 2-track mixdowns, and it was 25 years ago now, and I'm tantalized by how much more is possible!

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 April 2020 16:21 (three months ago) link

Lotta soundboards from this period sound wonky for the first 1-3 songs because they were just dialing in the sounds, people ever actually listening to these was the furthest thing from their mind (as opposed to Betty Boards and audience tapes)

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 30 April 2020 18:11 (three months ago) link

like, here's an AI trying to do "king solomon's marbles":

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 April 2020 20:21 (three months ago) link

happy anniversary

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:55 (three months ago) link

Wow man! Must check.

dow, Saturday, 2 May 2020 19:12 (three months ago) link

like, here's an AI trying to do "king solomon's marbles":

― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:21 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol, sounds like The War on Drugs!

He Ain't Heavy D, He's My Brother (PBKR), Sunday, 3 May 2020 03:40 (three months ago) link

Anyone been listening to the 36 From the Vault podcast? I find it's been pretty useful for me contextualising different time periods for the band as I've only just been getting into them over the last year or so. Also made with the assumption that people who listen to Dead live shows have a lot of patience for fucking around, which is probably fair.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 3 May 2020 08:06 (three months ago) link

The out of tune guitars in the acoustic set of Dick's Picks 8 make me wince.

Duke, Sunday, 3 May 2020 12:41 (three months ago) link

I love the Dead, but I struggle with their acoustic sets.

Duke, Sunday, 3 May 2020 12:42 (three months ago) link

So now Live/Dead" bummer, and what the Hell, man?? I realize we already had the Beyond-Deluxe Complete 1969 Fillmore Concerts or whatever the exact title may be, but can't afford that! Just the reremasted orginal and a bonus show would be fine.

dow, Thursday, 7 May 2020 03:51 (three months ago) link

I love Vol 8. The Viola Lee Blues on that slays.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 May 2020 04:14 (three months ago) link

One of my local record stores just posted on Facebook that a customer has sold them a complete CD set of Dick's Picks.

Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Thursday, 7 May 2020 11:58 (three months ago) link

xpost - Apparently there's a real dearth of good quality 1970 shows in the vault, which is why they jumped ahead for this '71 Capitol Theatre show.

I figured they would have done something for Live/Dead, but I guess not. My dreams of the '69 Ark box live on.

Meantime, this new Dave's Picks from 6/23/74 at the Jai-Alai Fronton is sounding fantastic and tiding me over. Long been a fan of this show, great to have an official release. The bonus disc from the night before is terrific too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:25 (three months ago) link

That one contains "the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock." I don't think they ever delivered a version of "Around and Around" that I liked, so that is not going to sell me. I'll check it out though.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:22 (three months ago) link

Haha, that's nowhere near the peak of the show, but the "Let It Rock" does slay - I like it better than most of the JGB versions I've heard and it makes me with the Dead worked it into their Berry rotation more often.

It's the "Dark Star > Spanish Jam" and the jam into "Ship of Fools" that are the selling points for me on the main show.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:39 (three months ago) link

(in re: to the discussion above about wonky mixes, etc)

tylerw, Thursday, 7 May 2020 22:45 (three months ago) link

Apparently there's a real dearth of good quality 1970 shows in the vault, which is why they jumped ahead for this '71 Capitol Theatre show.

IMO the whole thing about lack of '70s shows in the vault is overstated. There IS stuff there. Granted not always in the greatest quality or full shows, but some do exist. Enough to fill 2 CDs surely.

Almost certainly, there are a handful more outtakes/alternative mixes in the can that haven't seen release from 1970 as well than what's been officially (Though, in both cases maybe more from the American Beauty era).

I think the reason that '71 show was picked had more to do with it being a full pristine 16-track recorded show (from the run that would become the '71 Grateful Dead/Skullfuck album) than anything.

Personally, I would have rather seen a two bonuses disks of assorted 1970 live rarities, outtakes, what have you, but given the heavy live focus that GDP has had on recent reissues, that was just not going to be the case.

gregorianpants, Friday, 8 May 2020 05:40 (three months ago) link

Oh I don't think you are wrong, I'm just going with the somewhat official line about the lack of '70s shows. I have no doubt they could compile something much better, but they seem to be really all in on the full shows being packaged with these reissues.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:54 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

One of the good things about lockdown is that I've been able to get through the extensive live catalogue like never before. I'll soon be racking up a Gladwellian 10,000 hours expertise...

I've finally pushed past '72, and I'm really coming round to see the virtues of '77.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:04 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

feeling like more of a deadhead than ever these days. must be the summer.

dick’s pick’s 12 (June 26 & 28, 1974, providence & Boston) is a new discovery for me. This Spanish Jam is sick!!

brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 03:18 (one week ago) link

Reading through this thread like YES GIMME MORE
Is there a definitive book/bio for a relative noob?

incapacitant hairdresser society (rizzx), Friday, 7 August 2020 19:22 (one week ago) link

Having trouble setting up some kind of listening plan here too. Tips are surely welcome

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Friday, 7 August 2020 19:26 (one week ago) link

A Long Strange Trip By Dennis McNally may be deifinitive.

Searching For Th eSound by Phil Lesh was quite good
So was Bill Kreuitzmann's memopir but you might want to be better versed when you read that, not sure how important taht is.

Could do with a new take on the Deadhead's tape comapnion vol 1 now that the full gigs are avaialble and more of tehm.
THought that was good when most of the sets available seemed to be trading incomplete and Dick's Picks hadn't been set up fully yet.
Could be taht something like that is already around? But chronological layout is pretty important I think.

Stevolende, Friday, 7 August 2020 19:28 (one week ago) link

yes thanks a lot, just ordered Long Strange Trip

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Friday, 7 August 2020 20:16 (one week ago) link

Having trouble setting up some kind of listening plan here too. Tips are surely welcome

Help is on the way! Because I'm a detail-oriented type, whenever I decide to explore the discography of an artist I like but never got around, I tend to make a "syllabus": read a biography, listen to the records and any live bootlegs as I go, read contemporary press. Anyway, when I got into the Dead a few years ago, I did the same with Long Strange Trip.

Here's a link to a Google doc that goes chapter by chapter. It's by no means complete--I got bored with "prepping" by 1972--and I don't remember my criterion for choosing shows, and they are all obvious choices I'm sure. Let me know if it is any use--after all that research, I don't remember if I ever managed to make my way through the shows, ha.

blatherskite, Monday, 10 August 2020 13:36 (five days ago) link

Hey thanks! I'm kinda doing that now, watched the Long Strange Trip doc and ordered the McNally book. So i'm checking out all threads, reading and listening all day long (as much as possible) don't know why exactly i'm obsessing over them right now. Doesn;t seem important to know either. I'm just living in the moment and enjoying the ride

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 08:47 (three days ago) link

the mcnally book is really good

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 14:13 (three days ago) link

Also worth reading:

This is All a Dream We Dreamed: An Oral History of the Grateful Dead - Blair Jackson & David Gans (perfect companion to the McNally book, with a wide range of sources quoted/consulted)
Fare Thee Well - Joel Selvin with Pamela Turley ( interesting, sometimes dispiriting account of what happened to the Dead after Garcia's death)
Growing Up Dead - Peter Conners (memoir of a teenage deadhead, the best book on the subculture)

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 14:30 (three days ago) link

That Selvin book is really key for learning more about where the Dead went after Jerry die, but it's a depressing read. Phil and his wife look pretty awful.

I recently read both Phil's and Billy's books, which are good for different reasons. I liked reading about Phil's classical music background and his take on the music, while Billy's is a much lighter take and it sounds just like you are sitting next to him at the bar listening to him spin tales.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 15:02 (three days ago) link

"after Jerry died"

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 15:03 (three days ago) link

One from the Vault is tight, enjoying this one a lot. Amazing opening with Help on the Way/Slipknot/Franklin

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Thursday, 13 August 2020 13:29 (two days ago) link

5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR - China Cat Sunflower > Rider. Gorgeous version!!

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Saturday, 15 August 2020 08:16 (five hours ago) link

Don't forget to the get the roadies perspective as I really liked the two books by Steve Parrish and Rock Scully. Add those other books and you get almost a Roshomon view into the Dead. Don't know that there is another rock band that is covered in quite the same way as in some ways there is less of a distance to what was actually going on in the day to day.

They all end up sad as I think in the end you realize, it did not have to end the way it did for Garcia. In many ways, he is a prime example of being a prisoner of his own success.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 August 2020 09:04 (four hours ago) link

Thinking about it, I would say the early NY punk scene has a similar view, as there are 4-5 books with different angles on same story too. I don't quite get the same thing from say the Beatles or Elvis or Led Zep books - there seems to be a distance where the Dead books are often more oral history.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 August 2020 09:07 (four hours ago) link

The Bill Graham book is also another one that has a unique view on the Dead as they did so many big shows together.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 August 2020 10:30 (two hours ago) link

Playing in the Band, Hec Edmundson Pavillion, Seattle 5/21/74 - Waaaayooo terrific freak out in first quarter of the friggin JAM XXXL

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Saturday, 15 August 2020 10:58 (two hours ago) link

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