Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

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With the odd notable exception like 'American Beauty', 'Anthem of the Sun' and a few other studio albums, the Grateful Dead have always been about live performance. It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense. And their live albums contain some extraordinary music (as well as some dodgier moments).

But there's just so much of it out there. By my reckoning they released eight regular live albums during the life of the band, but since then the floodgates have opened. There are now 29 Dick's Picks releases, most of them triple CDs, and about a dozen other albums like One/Two From The Vaults, Ladies & Gentlemen, Hundred Year Hall, The Phil Zone etc.

So, what have you heard and what do you like? Are there particular periods (the 80s?) that are no-go areas? Is it only worth bothering with stuff from 68-71?

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You've obviously got to start with 'Live Dead'. I listened to it again over the weekend, and it still sounds extraordinary. There may be better versions of 'Dark Star' out there, but as the first one I heard it'll always be the definitive one for me.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yes can we have some ans here. I need to know what to look out for!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've been piling through a lot of my Dead live Cds/box sets over the last couple of weeks, but I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface. I've got several thoughts about it, but for the moment I'll just say:
1) I've not heard a version of 'Dark Star' that isn't awesome.
2) The quality of the version of a song bears no relation to how good the jamming is going to be after it (i.e. ignore the ropey vocals, there's some good stuff coming along in a minute).
3) Brent Mydland. Oh dear.
4) Donna Godchaux. Oh dear, oh dear.
5) They were something fucking special around 68-71. I feel like trying to pick up every single thing that's been released from this period.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Julio, from the other GD threads you say you really like 'Live Dead'. From that era I'd definitely recommend Dick's Picks 4 (recorded at the Fillmore East in Feb 1970) and Two From The Vaults (from 1968).

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

search: the dead from 1973-74. totally at the top of their game during this period.

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Reckoning -- The traditional "Live" album for LP release. Quiet, crisp performances. No flubs, all first rate versions, and a pleasure to listen to throughout. 9.6

Dick's Picks #4 -- Fillmore East, February 13-14, 1970 -- Better than Live Dead, but do have a chance of finding it? 9.4

Nightfall of Diamonds -- Winterland, 10/10/89 -- Great sound; a bit noodley in places, but right nice. 8.6

Dick's Picks #8 -- Harpur College, 5/02/70 -- Three-Quarters of this is impeccable; good form, nice song selection - one disc acoustic, one disc electric, and one disc rave-ups (i don't much care for their R&B covers like "Dancing in the Streets" and "It's A Man's Man's Man's World"). 8.5

Ladies & Gentleman... The Grateful Dead -- Filmore East, April 1971 -- A good listen, but it delves a bit too much into the Helter Skelter for strict listening. Works better as background -- but is noteworthy for the block of Pigpen's blues numbers. 7.8

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Harpur College

my alma mater! (aka "the liberal arts college of SUNY Binghamton")

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've heard a good bit of Dead over the years, and own a fair amount of albums. I second Dick's Pick's Four... the best album I've heard from them. Live/Dead is of course essential, and I think Europe '72 is as well. It was the first Dead record I bought. It's from a bunch of shows from their Europe '72 tour which is among their very best tours (many would say there best. It's there last tour with Pigpen and their first with Keith). It contains little jamming (disk two has some) and was mainly released because the songs on there had yet to be put to vinyl. It was also a bit touched up in the studio, I believe. I know they recently released another cd from that tour, as well as an expanded Europe '72, though I don't think I've heard either, I believe they're quite good as well.

One From the Vault is strong, too. It's from '75, and was from one of two shows celebrating the release of Blues for Allah. It contains every song from that album (in a better version)--including the title track which is, unfortunately, a total dud, IMO (though I'm hardly alone). The Dead didn't tour in '75 or '76, but this is a strong performance though not essential.

I agree on 68-71 being strong. But so is the Europe '72 tour - 74.Dick's Pick's 12 features the quite famous "Mind Left Body" jam as well as the glorious return of "China Cat Sunflower" to their catalogue.

Pretty much all of '77 is great. 5-8-77 Cornell is their most frequently bootlegged show, and thus essential, though not their best performance. It shouldn't be hard to find. '78 is good too, and then they hit a lull.

I believe it's '83 that I've heard good things about, but I've never taken the time to investigate. '78 was the last time they released a studio album until '87, so I kind of avoid it. In '87 bounced back from a heroin-induced coma, and the band was strong again so I'd seek out some stuff from this era too.

Hope this helped a little. I also have to highly recommend the Jerry Garcia Band (which is mostly just a cover band) release Don't Let Go from '75 with Keith on acoustic piano. It's a very tight, mellow session. With only one guitar in there, you can really hear how good of a guitarist Jerry was when he was on.

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The other thing about '77 is that it's when they became really, really funky. That's why it's so popular. And as usual, when they were on--which was often that year--they were really on. Many would say it's their best year, and I agree it's definitely one of them.

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''Julio, from the other GD threads you say you really like 'Live Dead'. From that era I'd definitely recommend Dick's Picks 4 (recorded at the Fillmore East in Feb 1970) and Two From The Vaults (from 1968).''

will do

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

apologies for the faulty spacing there...

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dick's Picks #4 -- Fillmore East, February 13-14, 1970 -- Better than Live Dead, but do have a chance of finding it?

You can still get any of the Dick's Picks from the Dead's own site ( DP4 is $21 plus postage.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No shit? I've been looking for a "gift" copy for years -- Thanks, JB.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The new Dick's Picks 39 is a six-disc set of two 1977 shows.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Whoops, that's 29.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The thing with a lot of live Dead stuff is that even the better gigs have a lot of average stuff on them, but they're worth hearing for the moments where the inspiration hits and they really take off.

So I don't know why they don't release more albums that take stuff from a variety of performances (and eras), cherry-picking the really juicy tracks. 'The Phil Zone' is a good example of this - it's got a great range of stuff, even some not-bad performances from the late 80s. And it's got an absolutely monster version of 'Hard to Handle', which not only rocks like a bastard, it's from an audience tape so you can hear everybody going mental as they crank it up.

(I also wish you could hear more audience on a lot of the Dick's Picks. They capture the music well, but not always the whole occasion. OK, I know they're mostly taken from the mixing desk so maybe that's not possible.)

Aaron or chaki - could you recommend any good Dick's Picks from 73-4 or 77?

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to contribute to this thread, but I wanted to wait for a free moment to audition a bunch of my stuff again. One good thing this thread has done is get me to finally listen to the package of Dick's Picks I got a couple months ago but hadn't listened to yet (well, I threw them when I got them but wasn't able to listen as closely as I'd like): 22 and 26. So far, 26 sounds great! A bunch of rare live Aoxomoxoa songs!!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

#4 and #8 are my favorites (though i kinda stopped paying attention after 16 or so - not for lack of interest but lack of cash)

search GRAYFOLDED - Oswald's "plundering" of over 100 versions of Dark Star from 69-95. Essential drone

Anthem of the Sun and Live/Dead are pretty much perfect legit albums btw

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 July 2003 06:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was thinking of getting 26, Mr D. The track listing looks very promising, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

And I've just looked at the tracks for 22, that also looks tempting. I listened to Two From The Vaults over the weekend, from the same year (and with a similar set). There's something about the sound of the band/Garcia's guitar from that time (68/69). I can only describe it as having a lot more bite.

Completely agree with you roger about Live/Dead - that's the benchmark for me, both the version of Dark Star and the album as a whole.

I was surprised the first time I heard Grayfolded how 'ordinary' a lot of it sounded i.e. not ordinary as such but just like a great extended version of Dark Star, the first CD at least. The vocal 'swooshes' and 'folds' sound good though.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 7 July 2003 13:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
Revive, please.

Just listening to vol 12's lovely version of China Cat Sunflower, as mentioned above by Aaron M.

Any new opinions?

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I really like #16. I feel like the only Dead I ever buy is stuff from 68-70. I just saw #4 at a store and it looks great, after reading this I've decided I need it. Hundred Year Hall is a great set and I enjoy a lot more than the Europe 72 album, which I think sounds kind of neutered. There is a lot of inspired jamming and an absolutely beautiful Pigpen vocal on "Two Souls in Communion." I haven't listened to it in years, though, since my copy was stolen. I have a hard time buying Grateful Dead discs sometimes, although I have no problem listening to them.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Closing of Winterland looks promising.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
the dvd? it's fucking awesome! Possibly my favorite music DVD ever!

i'm too tired to elaborate, but if you consider that Neil Young has Candian citizenship, and if you exclude the American contingent of Fleetwood Mac at their absolute peak, The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time.

Trux and the Drive By Truckers are tied for me personally, but we're looking through history's lens here, people. The Dead. the fucking DEAD!!!!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I spent last weekend listening to Ladies and Gentlemen... the Grateful Dead, that 4cd set that Arista put out a couple years back. Fucking PRIME '71 era shit. Absolutely G=god-like. Rog, you gotta get that one if ya don't have it...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also, I really want to see this..

I do have to admit, I didn't get that excited about Closing of Winterland though. THen again, I watched it at like 3 in the morning a couple months ago when I was pretty wiped out. I'll give it another go.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm a ridiculous Godchaux apologist, FWIW.

haven't tracked down that Arista set - 71, eh? I'm more a 72-77 kinda guy, but will check it out - thanks!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, a 72-77 guy! I'm impressed. I'm still trying to get with the Godchaux era. I think it will come to me in due time. Do you have that One From the Vault? That one's pretty good, as I recall.

Yeah, the Ladies and Gentlemen thing is '71 but it's pretty song-oriented. Sort of midway between the psychedelic blow-outs and the Europe '72 stuff. It's a nice, pleasant listen. GREAT version of "Bird Song".

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

im a 73 guy and yah the new dvd is great!!

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ok, fuck it, Chaki I trust you.. I will watch it again!! It just kind of seemed goofy to me. With the whole dude riding in on a joint at the beginning of the concert. Like, you almost want to shake Bill Graham and the Dead and say, "the 60's are OVER!! Didn't you guys watch 'gimme shelter'??" Plus, the Godchaux. And "Fire on the Mountain" goes on entirely too long. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Dead, don't get me wrong, but that 'FOTM' just goes on too long, sorry. But I will check it out again, as I said...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm.. I just started watching it again, midway through the set. You know what? This version of "Friend of the Devil" is really kind of beautiful! Even Donna is kind of endearing right here! Mea culpa.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Even Donna" - wtf?

Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.

She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.

The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Disk one of Vol. 23 rules. I have to admit, though, that the "China Cat Sunflower" / "I Know You Rider" medley gets sooo tiresome after listening to Dick's Picks.

Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the "Dark Star" on Rockin' the Rhein is eyeball-melting

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I bought Dick's Picks 22 on a fleeting whim a few days ago.
I'm a little regretful of it now.
Feb '68 show at a Lake Tahoe bowling alley. Vocals are rarely audible (which I guess isn't always a bad thing, har har).
Now I'm wanting Rockin the Rhein.
I think I need a break from the Dead.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just listened to Reckoning this past Friday night. Always a treat to pull that one out.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'Two From the Vault' is's mastered or mixed really well for headphones. And at the end of 'Morning Dew' the house pulls the electricity from them, great moment.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense."

Au contraire. Au contraire.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time."

i take umbrage with this comment.
and so would CCR.

me rawk.
you snow.

eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Regarding my last post, in case it's not clear, I mean to say that they SUCK LIVE. I don't get it.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Blues for Allah is the best thing they ever did, according to me

Help/Slip/Frank rules

Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Donna's "soulful" scream at the end of "Scarlet Begonias" on Dick's Picks 7 is the most out-of-key singing I've heard on an officially released record.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

apparently there's a letter to the editor in the new Arthur from me regarding The Dead, but i haven't seen it. i can't get it here

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
HELP - I'm visiting a well-stocked Deadhead (over 300 shows) who has kindly offered to let me borrow whatever I want from his stash - any suggestions as to what I shld look out for - keep in mind that I generally prefer Dead Stuff w/ LOTS of guitar solos, the freakier the better, and am less concerned abt 'songs' per se

Thank You

Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I just got this Jerry Garcia Band 3-CD Kean College set from 1980 that Rhino put out last fall. S'good! I'm just a dabbler in the Dead, but this is close to perfect -- nice sparse 4-piece, warmly recorded, the grooves don't overwhelm the songs and vice-versa -- I mean, the grooves are songlike, and the songs are groovelike. And maybe because he doesn't have to work to make himself heard, Jerry's playing is even more loose and gentle than usual. The solos are like barstool conversations. I think I'm going to be listening to this a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yah that shit kicks ass

chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Brent sang some soaring harmonies during the chorus of Touch of Grey in the early 80s (thinking specifically of Merriweather 6/21/83, he's pretty high in the mix). Such a drag they cut his harmonies on the studio version until the very last refrain, and even then it's absurdly low in the mix.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 August 2017 16:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

dude sounds like grover

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 7 August 2017 16:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

lol true

1:08:27 tho... his singing is amazing, fits the songs perfectly, not Grovery at all

flappy bird, Monday, 7 August 2017 17:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

discovered the bird song from 'ladies and gentlemen...' gentle and gorgeous

global tetrahedron, Monday, 7 August 2017 17:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

deep into the dead right now. one of those periods when they about 90% of what i'm listening to. goddamn i love the internet archive

marcos, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:57 (three months ago) Permalink

past few nights i've been making art and listening to different versions of "black peter" over and over. this one from 1970-05-15 is killer

marcos, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:59 (three months ago) Permalink

been really enjoying late 73 shows lately. find it hard to get into pre-71 stuff outside of 'live/dead' tbh. and can't get into black peter! it's so lugubrious

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:06 (three months ago) Permalink

oh man it is possibly my favorite dead tune or at least rotates that spot w/ a couple of other tunes

marcos, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:48 (three months ago) Permalink

i'll give it a shot once i wrap up my 11/11/73 listening :)

i do enjoy the studio version

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:51 (three months ago) Permalink

fwiw, someone asked Geologist from Animal Collective at the Sung Tongs show in NYC recently what his favorite Dead show was, he said October 12, 1968 - Avalon Ballroom - San Francisco, CA

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 19:06 (three months ago) Permalink

^ the second chunk of cryptical envelopment here rips, thanks!

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 20:52 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

so many 73 sugarees I am digging

i love this band so much. they are getting me through the winter man

marcos, Sunday, 21 January 2018 04:44 (one month ago) Permalink

live stuff finally clicked for me in the last few months after being a longtime workingmans/beauty fan and it's been an amazing ride, so much music to discover and enough variations to keep me happy for life i feel...

however, try as i might, i just can't get into dark star, can't even get my head around it. it's not the length- i can listen to a 30 minute love light or morning dew or 30 minutes of the same dancehall riddim or minimalist composition no problem but ds i just get lost and have nothing to grab onto, just sounds like a bunch of noodling to me.

i really WANT to like it. have mostly listened to 1969-70 versions, is there a different era of stars i might dig more?

oiocha, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 18:45 (one month ago) Permalink

68-69 are my favorite dark stars. iirc a lot of folks swear by 72-73

marcos, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 18:47 (one month ago) Permalink

this one has some nice panache, last one before their hiatus and it shows

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:11 (one month ago) Permalink

i have never gotten behind the '69 dark stars. the stuff i first got into are the 1972s, which sound like shitty "live/evil" (that's a compliment). since then i've gotten into some of the better 1970s.

have you tried 1970-11-05? that's an interesting one for me because it's not very exploratory at all, it's kind of like a recap of everything they'd accomplished by jamming the song up to that point.

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 January 2018 01:46 (one month ago) Permalink

I love '69 Dark Stars personally - I learned to love them listening while driving, which I recommend if it's an option. I do feel like they're a good example of how a recording can't replace the actual experience of a show though.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 25 January 2018 02:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh yeah...think it might be tyme to repost "Grayfolded," a trip through many Dark Stars---a few notes of this one, more of that---full album here:

dow, Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Got tix the other day to see Dead and Co. this summer with my pops. I've never seen any incarnation of the band in concert but I've heard good things about this group. Consider myself a very mild fan up until now but I'm starting to play catch-up and I'll admit it's pretty addictive to stalk the Dead through different eras and different versions of songs. Once you get in their headspace it's very easy to not want to listen to anything else. case in point I feel pretty guilty at how much Dead I ended up listening to last night and this morning instead of The Fall.

evol j, Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:32 (one month ago) Permalink

there's a fantastic app called 'relisten' which lets you store archive shows offline... it's dangerous

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:21 (one month ago) Permalink

triggering word there----evol j, you know about this right?

dow, Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:33 (one month ago) Permalink

yes i do, i'll probably get there eventually though i'm content with what's on spotify for now.

evol j, Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:03 (one month ago) Permalink

john perry barlow died?

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:46 (one month ago) Permalink

RIP, seemed like quite a character ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:41 (one month ago) Permalink

he was quite likable in the doc- also, one of the only 'cool' republicans i can think of??

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:44 (one month ago) Permalink

haha, i thought he was a "cyber-libertarian" ... which maybe is just republican, i dunno.

tylerw, Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:00 (one month ago) Permalink

rip he seemed like an okay guy

marcos, Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Never Not Funny Anecdote from the Annotated Dead lyrics site:

Steven Finney wrote:
> I posted this a few years ago, but it bears a repeat...I read an
> interview with Barlow (aka "the Barlitos" those who know the band)
> many years ago in an English music magazine, and the following was
> one of the original lyrics to "Hell in a Bucket" which Bobby chose
> not to sing...(hey! This could even be taken as an HS reference!)
> "And while you were saying your mantra
> I was humping your very best friend
> And comparing myself to Sinatra
> 'Cause I did it my way in her end".

It's true! I was hanging out at Weir's a bit in those days, and there
were some gnarly ideas batted around for that song. Gerrit Graham (who
wrote "Victim or the Crime" with Bobby) was around for some of these
sessions, too.

I was actually able to contribute a little to "Hell in a Bucket": I
suggested to Bob that he change "You imagine me kissing the toe of your
boot" to "You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot." Barlow
seemed slightly miffed about it, but I'm pretty sure he got over it.

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 February 2018 07:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Fresh Air re-ran a Barlow interview today--- he saw that his kind of early small town experience in Wyoming was disappearing, America was becoming "Generica," but then he realized that "the Deadheads were going to The Well, an online village green" founded by The Whole Earth Catalogue's Stewart Brand and some of his crew. I started hearing about this thing in the 80s, though the only specic news item I recall is from the mid-90s, maybe: a guy who had been detailing his love life on there for years eventually decided to run for office and wanted at least some of these posts removed---caused a big furor on there, because the main doctrine on there always has been (just checked, it's still there) is, "You own your words": they belong to you alone, and you're responsible for them. Anyway, any ilxors been there? I tried an ilx search, bur gave up, "well" too common a word in thread titles.

dow, Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:36 (one month ago) Permalink

"The Epic Saga of The Well"---from '97, but looks good:

dow, Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:44 (one month ago) Permalink

"Estimated Prophet" is one of the best jams of the disco Dead.

earlnash, Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:45 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah that song grows in stature for me, I didn't used to love it as much as I do now

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 10 February 2018 11:35 (one month ago) Permalink


marcos, Saturday, 10 February 2018 12:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Fun fact: Barlow worked for Dick Cheney on his 1978 Wyoming House Rep campaign! Seems like he split w/ the Republicans when neoconservatism became dominant. His politics seem pretty squarely libertarian, though. Was cool to see JPB show up in HyperNormalization; less cool that Curtis used him/EFF as stand-ins for naive utopians unwittingly ushering in commercial control of the web.

Wrote many of my least favorite GD songs but "Looks Like Rain" from Without a Net is a booming track and probably best case scenario for a Barlow/Weir tune.

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:46 (one month ago) Permalink

I always think of Estimated Prophet as envelope filter dead more than disco dead but there is a lot of crossover there

joygoat, Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:33 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

2/27/69 vinyl for RSD!!

Brakhage, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:30 (one week ago) Permalink

This will be nearly impossible to obtain but glad they're doing it

Brakhage, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:45 (one week ago) Permalink

how do deadheads have so much money

tylerw, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Legal Weed Sales

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:26 (one week ago) Permalink

deadheads truly exist in almost all walks of life therefore there are many many rich deadheads

marcos, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:28 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, true — just seems crazy the amount of cash some people must be dropping on the endless reissues, various shows, cherry garcia in bulk ...

tylerw, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:33 (one week ago) Permalink

how do deadheads have so much money

― tylerw, Friday, March 9, 2018 2:16 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tech Bros.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:35 (one week ago) Permalink

yea was gonna say there has always been that silicon valley / burning man kind of overlap between very wealthy people who "still need to live, maaaan"

marcos, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Legal Weed Sales
Tech Bros.

I saw Phish at the Gorge in Washington State a couple years ago and was really surprised at how many BMWs / Mercedes / Lexuses there were waiting in line to get in, plus a non trivial number of really, really nice VW busses that had obviously been restored.

I'm sure there were a ton of tech bros there and I overheard a lot of conversations and networking about the weed business - people talking about their stores, testing labs, grow ops, banking/money laundering ventures, etc.

joygoat, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:49 (one week ago) Permalink

isn't al gore a deadhead?

also: deadheads are _old_. lotta broke-ass olds, of course, but more old people with money than young people with money.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 10 March 2018 14:17 (one week ago) Permalink

When Jerry died there were TV obits focused on Wall St. bankers crying in the streets. They’ve been a yuppie band since the 80s

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 March 2018 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Out on the road today I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.
A little voice inside my head said:
"Don't look back, you can never look back."
I thought I knew what love was.
What did I know?
Those days are gone forever.
I should just let 'em go, but

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:51 (one week ago) Permalink

About a year ago, I randomly caught the 7/4/81 Austin TX set playing on the SiriusXM Grateful Dead Channel; it had the most crackling "China Cat" I've ever heard!

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:55 (one week ago) Permalink

(The last Dead thing I bought was the 2-disc Cornell 5/8/77 set... it lived up to the hype, but I had become kinda burned out on the SiriusXM channel at that point, so I’ve only played it a few times.)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:59 (one week ago) Permalink

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