Claypool hataz: explain yourself.

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Oft maligned on ILM, one of my favorite musos, Mr. Les Claypool.

You hate him/his music. A'ight then, let's hear about it.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 29 June 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't like his album titles.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 June 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like his lyrics

― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i didn't like how it was funny for primus fans to say 'primus sucks'

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

it was funny?

― dave q, Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like his name. Why do 'sweet' bassists always have terrible names anyway?

― Clarke B. (stolenbus), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

'Timothy B. Schmidt' to thread!

― dave q, Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:20 (twenty-three years ago)

'Jason Newsted' is a ridiculous name, sounds like a 'Saved by the Bell' regular

― dave q, Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't hate either mr. claypool or primus. they're not my all-time favorite, but i certainly don't despise them (or les claypool).

better you should ask why folks hate jonsi birgusson!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-three years ago)

"jason newstead" = a grown-up screech.

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Screech will never grow up. He'll be young and at play in our hearts forever.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

he'll be perpetually delivering a logistical beatdown on horshach in mine

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

you want some killer bass and a bad haircut then just check out the zeppelin dvd.

― scott seward, Sunday, 29 June 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the song about Wynona's Big Brown Beaver.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 29 June 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like his twang.
I don't like his frenetic bass playing. ('yes, i see that you can play many many notes...now try to make it swing or som'n')

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 29 June 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like his big ugly nose, his annoying voice, his disturbing claymations, his hometown, his Rushophilia, his collaborating with Fred Durst, his gender-inspecific name, and probably most of all, I don't like his glorification of the bass guitar.

Sike! Sike sike sike! I heart Les.

― Famous Athlete, Sunday, 29 June 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

he did a collabo with Fred Durst and I wasn't INFORMED?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 29 June 2003 21:24 (twenty-three years ago)

he just sucks really bad.

He is Phish/Greatful Dead for people who have deluded themselves into thinking that they are above psych/jam vomit. LC's FFFB was bad news.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)

It all sounds like funky garbage cans and rubberbands stumbling around drunk to the same beat.

― Scaredy Cat, Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

frizzle fry and suck on this are pretty much unstoppable albums from start to finish. you guys are depriving yourselves!

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

If the Velvet Underground corollary is "They might not have had many fans, but each of their fans started a great band", then Primus pretty much invokes the Led Zeppelin corollary, which is the complement of the Velvet Underground's corollary, and hence "They might have deserved a lot of fans, but all of their fans undeservedly started their own band themselves."

In brief, I'm not a Primus hata, but I have my limits. I thought their best stuff was on "Pork Soda", especially the long songs. But Claypool's voice makes me want to cower to as far a corner as possible whenever I hear it. On the flip, they had great taste in covers.. (Residents, XTC, etc.)

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

(haha, not to insult any of you guys who started a band because of Primus or Zep, or anything)

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

if you started a band because of Primus or Zep, you deserve to be insulted.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

thats a snotty thing to say.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 30 June 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I want to append the following to the Led Zep corollary:

"..who happily work at Guitar Center".

Ok, I feel better now.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 30 June 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

hey, its a job, ok?

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 30 June 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

hence qualifying it with the word "happily". ;-) (<--- Ned smiley styleeeee>)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 30 June 2003 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

(and I'm not defending myself anymore! spray me "Snotty" before I tongue the ass of thee most loathed Guitar Center employees)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 30 June 2003 00:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Guitar Center...*shudder*

Wankaz.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 30 June 2003 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

what do you do for a living then, francis?

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 30 June 2003 01:37 (twenty-three years ago)

py-thON

― bob snoom, Monday, 30 June 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.lesclaypool.com/ccbbb/images/ccbbb-claypool.jpg
"You know I'm in the studio with Danny Carey from Tool and Adrian Belew right now?"

― les (nickalicious), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Honestly speaking, he's basically just Weird Al Yankovic with a bass instead of an accordion, isn't he?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Naw...he's the geeky white-guy version of (a failed attempt at cloning) boosty collins.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

i know i'm suppost to be bashing him but i just love the fact he looks completely different in every photograph/video i see him in.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Weird Al with a bass? Geeky white failed Bootsy Collins?

How 'bout something more like:

Tom Waits - whiskey sentimentality + Stanley Clarke x The Residents = Claypool?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Subtracting whiskey sentimentality from Tom Waits removes all that is Tom Waitsian about Tom Waits.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 30 June 2003 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

but tom waits quit drinking like in the 80s

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 30 June 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

quit drinking publicially.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 June 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I read too many guitar magazines in my teenage years to still like Les Claypool. I've been oversaturated.

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 30 June 2003 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

*blows nose*

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

there is SO not enough talk about Wynona's Big Brown Beaver on this thread. It's his finest accomplishment (aside from maybe that XTC cover).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Praising that song is like saying Hitler wasn't such a bad guy because he actually did do a couple good water colors before the holocaust.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

*blows nose again*

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

and he could dance the PANTS off Churchill!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

that's how you got into office back then, isn't it¿

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 01:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Primus is great; you're all weird.

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 02:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.fln.vcu.edu/struwwel/daumen3.gif

That is all.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

He had the good taste to stop playing fretless when he realized that his intonation wasn't ever going to get any better, for which I doff my cap.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

It's his finest accomplishment (aside from maybe that XTC cover).

Messrs. Partridge, Moulding and Gregory and should have promptly sued the right royal bejesus out of those Bay Area Babboons for libelous defamation for their butchering of "Making Plans for Nigel," if that's what you are referring to.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Claypool luhvaz -- explain yourselves...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing to explain rilly; the guy's written and recorded some hellaciously good songs* and has played with some of my favorite musicians evah**, for that I can forgive his definitely-an-aquired-taste vocal twang and occasionally too silly sense of humor.

*for reference, see also:
"Cosmic Highway", "Shattering Song", "Buzzards of Green Hill", "Barrington Hall", "Toys Go Winding Down", "Welcome to This World", "Is It Luck?", "The Heckler", "Ecclectic Electric", "Nature Boy", "The Ol' Diamondback Sturgeon", "Fish On", etc.

**for reference, see also:
Tom Waits, Bernie Worrell, Buckethead, Stewart Copeland, Trey Anastacio, Adrian Belew, Danny Carey, Isaac Hayes (thanks to South Park!), DJ Disk, Ozzy Osbourne, Skerik, etc.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

he and his primus buddies kinda spoilt tom waits' for a lot of us

― bob snoom, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

snoom is right on that point.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

But DOOD "Big In Japan" fucking ROCKS! "Coattails of a Dead Man" ROCKS! "The Earth Died Screaming" FUCKING ROOOOOOOCCCKKKSSSS!!!!!!!!

< head explodes >

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i guess claypool also rings a bit empty for me -- too goofy just for goofiness's sake plus all the jam and prog tendencies mixes together to form something i personally don't fancy.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.bassland.net/jamerson.jpg

Les, you are guilty of turning an entire generation of bass players into noodling wankers who have no respect for the GROOVE. The hook and I own you!

― James Jamerson (mjt), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

whoa! i came here to say he should take some pointers from Mr. Jamerson. weird.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, James Jamerson is one of Les's favorite bass players!

To say Les has no "respect for the GROOVE" is like saying Geir Hongro has no respect for the complex melodies...what kinda crack are you people smoking?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 12:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, Colin! -- I know you're reading this, so could you take a look at the NYCFAP thread -- I have to ask you something.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a Primus fan, Nickalicious (no, really, check the AMG), but I think the point a lot of the posters are trying to make re: Jamerson is that understatement is as much a part of what he does as anything else, that hooks can sneak up on you rather than just spazzing in yer face.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Say baby, do you wanna lay down with me?
Say baby, do you wanna lay down by my side?
Baby, do you wanna lay down with me?
Say baby
Say baby

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah Ned, I know, I'm just being difficult now. :D

(One thing about Claypool; in recent years [like with Frog Brigade stuff], he has specifically been pursuing that more subtle/sneak-up-on-ya approach that honestly he probably never once tapped into during the pre-Brown Album Primus years. Listening to songs like "Barrington Hall" and "Dee's Diner" on Purple Onion and then listening to songs like "Pudding Time" or "John The Fisherman" offa Frizzle Fry makes this shift in his playing/writing style like PAINFULLY obvious.)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

thirteen years pass...

This was a surprise listen to me, especially considering going in cold on the tunes. It's pretty a pretty good psych rock band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajrnY_fGDk

― earlnash, Saturday, 1 October 2016 03:34 (nine years ago)

two years pass...

the new Claypool Lennon Delerium album that came out today is great! what a cool listen I had this morning.

― akm, Friday, 22 February 2019 21:55 (seven years ago)

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