So what's with this supposed Chic-produced Johnny Mathis Record?

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I hear about it, read in Uncut that there's supposedly some tapes lying around, but haven't seen a damn thing. Does anyone have any idea? Does anyone have any tapes of this? It sounds...weird.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 22 June 2003 06:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I should add that it's supposedly called I Love My Lady, a title that doesn't exactly set the imagination aflutter...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 22 June 2003 06:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

this needs to surface

J0hn D., Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

ya what the hell

s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

Hey, I run the site and I can tell you that CHIC finished a full album with Johnny Mathis in 1981, it was not released because his management at the time thought it would alienate his audience. So it's still on the shelf.

I have a special page on this album with some quotes about it and a audio clip of a demo from that album. Check it out. And if you can try to spread the word and write to Sony/Columbia that you want it released.


pocat, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

you are among friends here

elan, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

i don't think this was produced by Chic, but here's a Johnny Mathis disco track from 79 called "Gone, Gone, Gone" that's fucking great.

jaxon, Monday, 4 February 2008 16:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

^^sounds like boz scaggs of all people

at this point you'd think sony had nothing to lose by putting this out

m coleman, Monday, 4 February 2008 17:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

Mathis had already made an album produced by Thom Bell in 1973 (I'm Coming Home), where they gave him a full-on Philly Sound treatment. And it didn't alienate his fan base, it broadened it for the next six or seven years, giving him a young soul audience that he didn't already have. So coming off of that, what would a record produced by Chic have to lose?

Rev. Hoodoo, Monday, 4 February 2008 19:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Jaxon, no CHIC didn't do that track.

Rev.Hoodoo, I don't know, but something's up with that album he did with CHIC, why else would it sit on the shelf for 27 years?

pocat, Monday, 4 February 2008 21:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The first track (the original first single?) from the album right there. Supposedly some of the album was meant to be coming out as part of a chic box this year.

piscesx, Sunday, 11 July 2010 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

somewhere (on ILM? can't remember) I think Matos has an essay about this.

bug holocaust (sleeve), Sunday, 11 July 2010 16:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I'll just stick with the old Johnny.

Band Fag X (u s steel), Sunday, 11 July 2010 16:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh weird, I hadn't realized there was a thread on this on ILM before -- last year at EMP in Seattle Andy Zax gave a presentation on this album, great to hear. Here's my blog entry on it but I'll just go ahead and copy/paste my summary of it:

Andy Zax, “Lost in Lost Music: Rediscovering Johnny Mathis‘ I Love My Lady” — the opposite of a keynote speech! Clip of the title track played and Andy talks about wanting to do a Chic Organization box set a few years back. Chic felt underappreciated, so time for product! In August 2007 he scrounges the Warner Brothers Vault for tapes — and love the sketchy cataloging! So he scrounges and scrounges. Bring your hand cleaner and check everything because you never know what you might find! Like the Chic/Mathis tapes! A pretty big deal, A GREAT LOST ALBUM! But what does lost mean? A shorthand for a set of interactions, involving availability and knowledge and more. Music removed from the marketplace is another example, out in the world and allowed to disappear. Then there’s undocumented music, mythological music etc. like this unheard album. Clip played, very smooth and lovely, hearing the kick of the bass against Mathis’s voice. Origins of the project detailed, Chic were huge with their work and with others, Mathis was at a career crossroads in turn after years of popularity, had a large audience still and “Too Much Too Little Too Late” promised a new route back to pop. But initial attempts flamed out. So this was a risk — Chic had their process, Mathis his deliberation. Chic had total control of the sound, something to deliver to the artist. In this case, stuff that Mathis “should have been doing.” Recording details offered, less funk and more jazz, like Weather Report but with bright melodic hooks. Sounds like Al Jarreau’s This Time and Steely Dan’s Gaucho (minus the boring stuff!) Fonzie Thorton did guide vocals, a change of pace. Album recorded and ready to go and then… Mathis’s performances are solid but also detached. Rodgers figures that the assembly line approach failed here in the end. Chic continued on but nobody said anything over at Columbia and a best of album came out instead. Who rejected it? Rodgers says that the blame on Mathis management is misplaced, their own track record is solid. Is the album good? Nice but one of those rejuvenation albums like Sinatra’s “Watertown” or the like. Streisand goes rock, Minelli and the Pet Shop Boys etc. Where does that leave us? Sony doesn’t want to release it, Mathis doesn’t mind, the Chic set will have three tracks. Leaks are coming out now, Rodgers would love to see it come out and maybe rerecord bits. Another clip played, “It’s All Right to Love Me,” upbeat and we’re done!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 July 2010 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

that must have been what I was thinking of, definitely remember reading a full length piece about this record.

bug holocaust (sleeve), Sunday, 11 July 2010 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Didn't know Mathis had admitted to his homosexuality.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 July 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I Love My Lady wipes the floor with any of the Minelli/Pets album! Now i say that as a huge fan of the boys.
I can't quite get over how fresh and modern this sounds.

piscesx, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

From F'book:

Hello everyone.

Great news!

Ahead of the forthcoming Nile Rodgers & CHIC shows in London, Isle Of Wight and France, Jazz FM's Ralph Tee has agreed to play another track from the unreleased Johnny Mathis album produced by Nile Rodgers & Bernard Edwards for The CHIC Organization Ltd in 1981.

"Love And Be Loved" will be aired on "Ralph Tee's luxury Soul"
show this Sunday (5th September) from 17:00 hours (UK time). Be sure to listen in to Ralph's show hear this very rare CHIC Organization track.

Big thanks go to Simon and Ralph for making this happen.

Best, Graham.

Here is the link:

Bangelo, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 18:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

buzza, Monday, 1 August 2011 20:20 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Blimey, re. the above.

Until someone gets around to releasing this, here are my thoughts on his 1977 double album chart-topping "best of".

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 11:56 (five years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Some of this has shown up on Youtube.

I gather there's still no official release.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 17 June 2017 04:50 (one year ago) Permalink

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