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saint etienne: a band ive always wanted to get into, but for one reason or another haven't, what's a good place to start?

andrew, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Too Tough to Die, the singles comp, is probably the place to discover once and for all whether you dig 'em or not. Regular- albumswise, I quite enjoy So Tough (1992) and, less so, Good Humor (1999).

M. Matos, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

erm, that's Too Young to Die

M. Matos, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Erm, didn't we do this one? I remember my genius take on St.Etienne as the British Beastie Boys.

Omar, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

omar, what ya talking about? i thought it was me that said that?

gareth, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Heyhey, watch it Gareth: that's the one truly great idea I've had, so there must be a copyright involved here...I'll sue you and take away all your records ;)

To the archives!!!

Omar, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Saint Etienne: Search & Destroy

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sorry omar, it was you. i've always thought it though

gareth, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

But, of course "Too tough To Die" was by The Ramones, and therefore also splendid.

This allows me to mention the Ramones today, as I must.

Dr. C, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well Gareth i'm glad somebody else agrees, doesn't happen very often with my "anyone notice how Timbaland-productions-sound-like- 'OntheCorner'?" comparisons.

[in the background Dr.C starts looking cross-eyed, makes smoking gestures]

Omar, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why not just nab free songs off audio galaxy like everyone else? THen if you like em enough, buy That album taht has Sylvie on it. Good...something. Good tidings?Good Humour!

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Get Foxbase Alpha, So Tough, Tiger Bay and Too Young To Die. I'd be wary about much of their later work (though "We're In The City" is essential), though some here could provide more convincing arguments for their recent stuff.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i think robin hit it right on the head... the old stuff plus "Places to Visit" where you'll find We're in the City"...

by the way robin, we miss you on alt.fan.momus!

mike j, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

If you're going to get Tiger Bay make sure you get the expanded Heavenly release, which turns a good album into a great one. I've been listening to it constantly lately.

Tim, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think I "get" them.

duane, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've never really been able to get into them either. Their singles are almost always top notch, making Too Young to Die the obvious first purchase, but I dislike most of the album tracks on So Tough, Tiger Bay, and Sound of Water. I'm wasn't interested in the slightest in hearing Good Humor after I heard "Sylvie".

palpable, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What were the extra tracks on Tiger Bay, Tim? I know the ace "He's On The Phone" was on there ...

Robin Carmody, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, what's with dissing _Good Humour_? It's a damn fine album. (Could do without the Douglas Copeland liner notes, though - I call for a moratorium on literary types spewing bla-bla in liner notes.) Granted, this is my only prolonged exposure to the Saint, so maybe I'm on the ass end of the curve.

But if you, like I did, can find _Good Humour_ with that extra disc of b-sides attached, GET IT!

David Raposa, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Search out any of the Cd singles between 90 and 93, everyone a winner. Great cover versions, prog whig outs, Aphex Twin remixes, Chris Morris and his Spongbake and a unity to them which makes them real EP's rather than the title track and 3 other throw offs.

Oh and He's on the phone is the work of God.

Billy Dods, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Robin, the extra tracks are "He's On The Phone", "I Buy American Records", "Grovely Road", "Hate Your Drug", "Marble Lions", "Western Wind" and "Tankerville". They're dispersed throughout the album, and strangely it actually flows better. Sadly however, "I Was Born On Christmas Day" isn't on this version.

Tim, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Method Of Modern Love - sadly not a Hall & Oates cover more a 'hey Call The Shots was nice maybe we can finally get that top 10 hit?'

also COLA BOY REMIX

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is GREAT.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 19:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Is that the thing Richard X was supposed to be producing for them or is that still in the pipeline?

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

this one is X-produced yeh

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

wow that's really good

Minister for Compression Issues (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yep, thirded or fourthed or whatever. Fucking awesome!

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

: D

the stickup man from the gripping "wire" television show (omar little), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

I want to believe...but it sounds a bit bland to me.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

must be playing a different track for me cause zzzzzz

expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 20 December 2008 18:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

sarah cracknell brushed past me at a cinema the other day.

Fear Of Usic (special guest stars mark bronson), Saturday, 20 December 2008 18:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Foxbase Beta

Journey through the past, part 5.

Rumours have been flying left right and centre, but we can finally confirm that disco dynamo Richard X has taken Foxbase Alpha and re-arranged it into a brand new beast called FOXBASE BETA. Using the original masters, adding cellos, electrix, choirs, and the spirit of Brian Cant he has created something really special - spruced-up yet reverential, it is essentially a 2009 up-date of Foxbase Alpha, given a shot of vodka and a loving caress. We're chuffed. It feels unnervingly like jumping into a Tardis.

FOXBASE BETA will be issued, via the fan club, as a limited, numbered 2CD set of 3,000 copies, which will also include FOXBASE EXTRA, three unreleased recordings from the original album sessions: a just discovered coda to Girl VII (we'd forgotten it existed), a summery instrumental called Richard III, and the first, very different, take of Kiss And Make Up, which was the very first Saint Etienne recording. We cut it one afternoon in January 1990, and then Only Love Can Break Your Heart in the evening! It was all so simple then. These tracks won't be available anywhere else.

There will also be a 'directors' commentary' on the bonus disc. Informative, yes. Pithy, quite possibly.

An un-numbered, single disc edition will be available at gigs and through Rough Trade. It will also be available for digital download (with the commentary but without the bonus tracks).

For club promo, a 4-track 12" is currently at the pressing plant, including extended Foxbase Beta version of Only Love Can Break Your Heart (plus instrumental mix), the FBB version of Girl VII (grrrreat), and Gothenburg's Balearic princes Air France's mix of Spring. We'll have 200 copies of this available through the fan club. As soon as we have them we'll let you know.

Foxbase Beta will be available to pre-order on Monday 21st of September. More details next week.

England in the World Cup finals, 3 Of A Kind's Babycakes playing on my hi-fi, Foxbase Beta finally put to bed. Late summer, early autumn, and all is good.

love

Bob xx

history mayne, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

what is that sound? some kind of metal, spoon-like implement against wood?

history mayne, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

It was all so simple then. These tracks won't be available anywhere else.

Ah, but it's not that simple now, Bob.

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Friday, 11 September 2009 10:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

looking forward to this, i was having a bit of a richard x / girls on top retrospective while i was working the other day.
kiss & make up + only love in one day, thats a pretty productive day imo.

ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://assets.umusic.co.uk/saintetienne/FBBCoverMedium.jpg

DavidM, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok i think i am in love with that girl.

ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Friday, 11 September 2009 17:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Samples of the FBB versions of "Girl VIII" and Only Love..." are up on their myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/saintetienne

one boob is free with one (daavid), Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think X did a good job on Girl VIII but not on "Only Love...". That bassline is a bit tedious IMO.

one boob is free with one (daavid), Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was just listening to "Method of Modern Love" and remembered the little New Order bit:
"There's no sense or reason why we're shot with a bolt of blue..."

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

who wrote the sleeve notes for the latest batch of deluxe versions?

djh, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

also coming soon "songs for the dog and duck" ...

djh, Saturday, 19 September 2009 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

free 3 track live ep for signing up for the fan club right now. great 'folk' version of Like A Motorway.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 19 September 2009 22:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

richard x is working with sound of arrows too.

keythkeythkeyth, Sunday, 20 September 2009 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

so foxbase beta is going on sale tomorrow, but in the e-mail i received it doesn't say what time it's going on sale, just "tomorrow morning"...

omar little, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anyone else going to the Shepherd's Bush Empire show? Annie is supporting, just like she did the last time I saw StEt live in London.

I saw your posse, but now it's me who's bossy (DavidM), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's up now - surprisingly, the site is not dying under the load unlike the last few times they've tried this...

carson dial, Wednesday, 23 September 2009 08:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

omg the new mix of Only Love Will Break Your Heart that just came out on 12" is KILLING ME - total 105 bpm balearic hotness!

mikebee (BATTAGS), Monday, 12 October 2009 21:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

choice

Ismael Klata, Monday, 12 October 2009 22:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

his take makes sense, though I disagree.

top tier: foxbase, so tough, tiger bay, good humor, fairfax high, mess of help, continental
middle tier: finisterre, turnpike house, words and music, fairy tales
bottom tier: sound of water

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'd have put Tiger Bay up higher, but reading that I can see why..

Mark G, Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh, and "I love to paint" has been good to me..

Mark G, Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

All kinds of wrong. I'd more or less flip his ranking

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

My order would currently be..

1. So Tough
2. Foxbase Alpha
3. Tales From Turnpike House
4. Words & Music
5. Tiger Bay
6. Good Humor
7. Finisterre
8. Sound Of Water

kitchen person, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Foxbase Alpha
So Tough
*you need a mess of help to stand alone*
Tiger Bay
Good Humor
Sound of Water
Words and Music
Finistere
Tales from Turnpike
--

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

One of the odd things about that was we went to clear the samples we put in between tracks, and it was almost impossible to clear any American samples. The only thing we could was Rush let us use the sample from "The Spirit of Radio." They were very kind and said, "We can't imagine why you'd want to ruin your very beautiful song with a horrible guitar sound."

brimstead, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

wow I've been working my way thru their entire discography and "Sound of Water" is GREAT, I think I like it more than "Good Humor"?

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

also ugh there are so so so many overlapping compilations! At this point the 2nd discs on all the Deluxe Editions are prob the definitive way to go, no?

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Good Humour isn't a favorite. I also prefer SOW and – better – Finisterre.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Sound of water is amazing!!

Yeah Stevie, the deluxe editions mop everything up pretty nicely

brimstead, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 14:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think fan club discs "I love to paint" and "built on sand" were incorporated, though

brimstead, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 14:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

looks like they're about to re-release all the deluxe editions, too. which is good because they're getting expensive in the secondhand market.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oh thank god

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the first 3 major fan club comps were re-released in their "boxette" set a few years back. i think their xmas songs were all compiled too, in 'a glimpse of stocking'.

i want to fill in the gaps on my deluxe sets. i've got foxes alpha/so tough/tiger bay/finisterre. the good humor one, not sure if i need that...i have the original 2-cd release w/fairfax high, iirc the deluxe is the same?

nomar, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

shit, i need to sell my duplicates real quick then

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

v strange that the deluxe Tiger Bay edition doesn't have "He's On The Phone" or "Grovely Road" from the superior 1996 Creation Records rerelease

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah last year I decided I finally need to get those deluxes (and everything else) and realized a number of them only go for crazy money. (Thankfully I had the cash; yay freelance work.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

deluxe edition of good humor has 4 or 5 more tracks beyond what's on fairfax high, yeah.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

v strange that the deluxe Tiger Bay edition doesn't have "He's On The Phone" or "Grovely Road" from the superior 1996 Creation Records rerelease

― he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:04 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well idk how much the band had to do with that configuration so it makes sense to me; it makes an already-disjointed record way more disjointed, much as it's my preferred sequence

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

v strange that the deluxe Tiger Bay edition doesn't have "He's On The Phone" or "Grovely Road" from the superior 1996 Creation Records rerelease

They're on the Continental deluxe edition.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oh you meant it's weird that they're not on the bonus disc, sorry steve

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ahhhh I see, it's "Groveley" on Continental and "Grovely" on Tiger Bay and it looked like it was literally only available on 1996 Tiger Bay and on no other compilation or deluxe ed

tbh with 2-3 versions of each album I like the idea of the deluxe eds presenting a "canonical" sequence on disc 1 and putting all of the other additional songs from other territories on disc 2

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i guess i missed the US tour announcement

https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/03/saint-etienne-announce-first-us-tour-in-five-years/

still tix for NYC

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

why u hate third coast saint etienne, houston and new orleans want to love you

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ugh I'm just going to delete everything I have when I get home and slsk all of the deluxe editions, Boxette, and A Glimpse of Stocking

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

WAIT HOLY SHIT HOME COUNTIES IS OUT ALREADY!??!?!?!

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

don't forget foxbase beta it's beautiful

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Does anyone else have the urge to buy certain already-owned discs when seen used, to somehow correct the crime that these discs have been given up for cheap? The rarer Blue Nile singles and AMC (Johnny Mathis' Feet single w/ bonus live disc) cause this itch. Pertinent here, since as a Seattle resident, I regularly see the 2cd Sub Pop version of Good Humor with the Fairfax High bonus cd. Saw one last week at Easy Street for $4. Oh, the humanity.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

don't forget foxbase beta it's beautiful

Yup. And if you can, find the 2-disc version of that too!

WAIT HOLY SHIT HOME COUNTIES IS OUT ALREADY!??!?!?!

Dude you missed the thread!

Saint Etienne -- Home Counties

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There's some good stuff on the deluxe editions but they're boomy and over-compressed; Sound of Water particularly suffers, a lot of the subtle layered sounds get hammered into mush. "Dilworth's Theme" at the end of F.A. has lost its pleasantly ghostly "recorded surreptitiously on a Dictaphone outside the rehearsal room" quality.

"Blofeld Buildings" on disc 2 of S.O.W. has the music starting about a minute earlier in one channel, turning it into an overlapping mess. You'll need Boxette for the proper version (unless they correct it on the re-release). If you're a completist (bit of a futile but fun endeavor), the U.S.-only tracks from Turnpike didn't turn up on the deluxe version, nor did the Wooden Hills bonus disc songs.

Dusklawn, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Easy Street has to sell them for cheap because who in their right mind goes to West Seattle? I can get music shipped to my house with less stress and effort than driving to West Seattle demands. I think I also bought my 2CD copy very cheap second hand. Also picked up the Sub Pop 2LP best of compilation that came out a while back. Shame about the art on that one though. It's pretty shit.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Do we have a source on the deluxe ed rereleases?

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Water-Saint-Etienne/dp/B06XSYJ35F/

Some available June 23rd, some June 30th. I can see Amazon getting one wrong, but not seven or eight... everything from Foxbase through Turnpike is listed.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

don't forget the two disc deluxe editions of Words and Music, nor the tour only edition of Words and Music.

also Nice Price, their rarities fanclub comp that is not included in Boxette.

nomar, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 18:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

christ i keep forgetting about the U.S. release version of Turnpike House...so the two disc deluxe version doesn't have the songs from that? i'm totally okay with spending more money on them, I want them to have chill and moneyed existences.

nomar, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 18:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Nice Price is just a bunch of demos and alternate versions, not essential unless you're a devoted fan.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 18:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

But the Misadventures of Saint Etienne, their soundtrack album to the Misadventures of Margaret from 1999... none of that appears on any deluxe editions. Well maybe Jack Lemmon? Anyway some great songs.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 18:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

And that flexi of The Fall's "Chock Stock"

Not even kidding..

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 20:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've got that somewhere.

Apparently it appeared on a comp, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7drvy1U5E

djh, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 20:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Did it? Never seen that..

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 21:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ah, massive clue there..

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 21:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

£3.26 at Discogs ...

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Trademark-Of-Quality/release/1580744

djh, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 22:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Plus whoa! Postage..

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 22:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

shipping from the mid-90s is expensive

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 22:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Playing Sound of Water again for the first time in a long time, and so far, Side 1 has been perfect. Very lovely on a dreary day.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 16 June 2017 02:57 (one week ago) Permalink

I think I've always found 'Sound of Water' difficult to love because nothing really lives up to the downbeat stomp of 'Heart Failed,' which may be my fav Saint Et track. 'Downey, CA' and 'Don't Back Down' are gorgeous, though.

PS Home Counties is stunning

KevRus, Friday, 16 June 2017 03:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, I played Home Counties on a loop Saturday. Doors and windows open, album blaring. It does get better with repeat plays.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 16 June 2017 03:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Sound of Water is really great, esp "Boy is Crying" and "How We Used To Live"

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 16 June 2017 15:07 (one week ago) Permalink


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