Why does anyone like the Fall?

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This question might've been posed before, but there are too many threads to sort through so Im just aking it. They just sound like rubbish. Granted all I have is This Nation's Saving Grace and the Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall, but I just don't see it. I've heard nothing but wonderful things about them, but when I sit down to listen to them, all I hear is an unrehearsed band with a tone deaf lead singer, and absolutley no hooks. I'm not a bubblegum pop-purist by any means, but their appeal eludes me. Is there just something wrong with me?

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The entirety of the SLATES EP and HEX ENDUCTION HOUR (esp. THE CLASSICAL) is my reasoning.

But then, I tend to like things that sound like rubbish to most people.

doug (doug), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes. you're a mess. so sort yourself out now!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funny, those are the only two albums I have and I'm just waiting to earn some more money so I can expand my catalog. Oh and I was gonna go see them this Thursday but then I realized I couldn't afford it. Waiting on money.

No hooks? What about "Barmy" or "2x4?"

Famous Athlete, Monday, 16 June 2003 20:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and "The Classical" and "Industrial Estates"...

Will (will), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

or cruiser's fuckin' creek for fuck's sake.

scott seward, Monday, 16 June 2003 20:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Felcher, it's about repitition. They like repitition in their music, and they're never going to lose it. President Carter likes repitition, do you?

Seriously though, perhaps name one or two bands that you do like?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes, plz do that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I found my first Fall album, The Unutterable, to be quite simply priceless. Mark E Smifh has an irreplicable delivery. Of course he also puts out quite a bit of rubbish, but then who doesn't? If possible always listen before buying. Some of the riffs on I Am As Pure As Oranj are also fine indeed.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There are plenty of catchy Fall songs.

The appeal of the Fall, broken down:

1) Heavy emphasis on rhythm and spoken word - sort of like a purely British of rap.

2) One of the best punk vocalists of all time.

3) Excellent lyrics, often brilliant packaging.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

victoria.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

matthew perpetua has got it right on, especially with pt 3

there is no other band i can think of who have recorded several HUNDRED tracks i like, as opposed to a handful, a dozen or even a few albums worth. and still the lyrics can be endlessly original.

kieron, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yo, Felcher - my 1st 2 Fall purchases were _This Nation's Saving Grace_ AND the 2-CD '84-'89 b-sides collection, both of which didn't do much of a damn thing for me. (I 1st heard about the Fall via Girls Against Boys name-dropping them 76 times (+/- 35) in various interviews.) The stuff that turned my head came from "back in the day" ('77-'83). If you don't have access to Soulseek or some other file-swapping utility, the most economical solution for you would be to seek out _Hip Priests & Kamerads_, which collects a slew of stuff from the Fall's early days. Listening to _TNSG_ in light of knowing where The Fall came from, the album sounds positively (WARNING HYPERBOLE WARNING) godlike. If you're feeling lucky & generous, then you might want to get EITHER _Totally Wired - The Rough Trade Anthology_ (2 CDs) or _Psykick Dance Hall_ (3 CDs). All 3 of the anthologies have some overlap (a hallmark of the Fall discography), so pick your poison accordingly - were I you, I'd proceed in the order I listed the albums.

Be warned - if you're looking for stodgy professionalism & precision in the Fall's method of madness, then backtracking to their earlier releases is not what you want to do. If fact, if you come around to liking / loving / wanting to spoon w/ the Fall, it's this very lack of precision & professionalism that you'll probably fall for 1st.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've got everything from Live At The Witch Trials through The Unutterable (though I'm probably gonna be getting rid of some stuff soon). I just think they're lots of fun.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, you have Stephen Song, Craigness, Disney's Dream Debased, Spoilt Victorian Child and Paintwork and you hear no hooks? I think you'd better just give up.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I just like that he says "-ah" at the end of every line.

And the drummer goes whomp-a-whomp-a-whommmp-a.

I guess I'm easy to please.

(Subthread: Great songs about The Fall: "Mark E. Smith & Brix," Barbara Manning)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Download "Rebellious Jukebox" from the Fall's first album. HUGE hook on that one...

Ben Boyer, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

this is quickly becoming the tone of the thread, but i can't resist asking: if C.R.E.E.P. isn't catchy as all hell then what is~?1?!?

brains (cerybut), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I do really enjoy the Fall, and apparently in the same way as the people who've responded here: the flashes of wit, the repetition, the charming shamble of the band banging and jerking along all primitive while Smith sneers in the space over the top. You do sort of need to enjoy the broken-downness of it all, and maybe the laziness as well. And I'd say the real meat is in the way their hooks and bits of smoothness just clang out from inside all the steady beating so clearly and surprisingly: you get bonk bonk bonk bonk [big clear wide-open guitar riff hook!] bonk bonk bonk bonk.

What I'm more curious about is how the Fall have such serious devotees. Their formula seems to me to result in pretty wide stretches of less-than-necessary stuff, and it's static enough to leave me pretty confident that, say, a two-disc comp of highlights is more than any person could ever need of them. The dedication of their fans, on the other hand, makes me wonder: are there really little gems scattered all through the discography, enough little shifts of personality to make slogging through the whole thing worth it? The fact that people remember the names of their individual songs so readily would lead me to believe they must settle into very different places, but god, my limited Fall listening has not given me much indication that that's the case.

(Good way of testing this, I guess: start an "essential Fall" thread and see how lively and specific and Smiths-like the debate over what tracks count can get.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

this thread makes me sad.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why I like The Fall.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

are there really little gems scattered all through the discography, enough little shifts of personality to make slogging through the whole thing worth it?

In a word, yes. Sometimes it is often necessary to immerse oneself in a prolific artist's work to fully understand it all. Mark E Smith has changed a lot over the past 30 years, and it shows in his work. The Fall certainly can reward those with a casual interest, but if you really want to appreciate the nuances and details, you can't just be a dilletant with a best-of cd.

(Jess's list is pretty cool, by the way)

If you start an "essential Fall" thread, you will find that a lot of people like a lot of different Fall songs, and it probably won't make getting through the huge discography any easier on you.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i don't think the fall have really done a thing worth a good goddamn for the last 18 years, nitsuh, and i'm not really interested in picking over their scraps from those years to pick out a handful of classic songs. but they did enough in those first 8-9 years to justify their acclaim to me...that's like 10 albums/records right there, at least 6 or 7 of which are solid start to finish. which is a damn sight more than most bands ever release.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that's it jess! pistols at dawn!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'll second James. I refuse to let alleged fall-oid give up until after Code: Selfish. And even then I think they should get Light User Syndrome.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, i have cassette copies of "extricate" (?...i might be getting this wrong) and "light user" (bought in an ohio goodwill!) and i cant remember the last time i felt the need to play them

and i swear this has nothing to do with them being cassettes

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I cant remember the last time I felt the need to eat a slaw dog! doesn't mean I can live without em!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

B-b-b-but Spinetrak! SPINETRAK! SPINETRAK!

Extricate is pretty weak, I'll admit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

what about those hotdogs with the cheese inside em?

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

those are disgusting

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Jess, have you heard the Unutterable album? There's some great songs on that one, and there's a couple good ones on that last one with the words Missing Winner in the title.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

big ups to everyone big upping The Unutterable on this thread

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

can someone compile all the best bits from the last 18 years?

gaz (gaz), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

If Mark E. is a singer, then anyone could be vocalist, rock-star, anybody, if he/she really wants. Mark gives us hope.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

b-b-but, i don't want to be a singing rock-star

gaz (gaz), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

totally coincidentally I'd made a "20th Century Fall" (Witch Trials through Unutterable) track listing for my website today. When I put it up there I'll put it up here too. I should be getting a CD burner soon so I can make copies if anyone wants one (it'd be a double CD).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I really do think there are, as nabisco puts it, gems scattered throughout their discography, though the Slates/"Elastic Man"/"Totally Wired" period has the greatest concentration of them. But "Inch" from _Levitate_ is one of their three or four greatest moments ever as far as I'm concerned, and yesterday when I had my iPod on random "The Real Life of the Crying Marshall" from _The Unutterable_ reached over and whacked me upside the head (in a good way).

First Fall I ever heard was _The Wonderful and Frightening World..._, which did nothing for me at the time. _Palace of Swords Reversed_ was my conversion experience.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Best-of comp I made for a friend about 4 years ago:

1. Prole Art Threat (1981)
2. How I Wrote “Elastic Man” (1979)
3. Totally Wired (1981)
4. Inch (1999)
5. Fortress/Deer Park (1982)
6. New Face In Hell (1980)
7. Free Ranger (1992)
8. Black Monk Theme, pt. 1 (1990)
9. Masquerade (1998)
10. U.S. ’80s-’90s (1986)
11. Kimble (1993)
12. Slang-King (1984)
13. Repetition (1977)
14. Hit The North (1988)
15. Leave The Capitol (1981)
16. Edinburgh Man (1991)
17. Put Away (1978)

I believe almost every band I've ever been in has covered a Fall song at some point, and sometimes it wasn't even my idea... I have vivid memories of playing "U.S. '80s-'90s," "Frightened" and "Fantastic Life."

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My first Fall record was the A-Sides collection, which is probably about as consistently "pop" as a Fall record is going to get. I highly recommend it as a starting place, even if it means you won't hear songs like "I Am Damo Suzuki" "Repetition" "How I Wrote Elastic Man" "Hip Priest" "New Face In Hell" "The Classical" "I'm Into CB!" or any of the songs from Slates right away.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I burned myself out on the Fall during my big Fall obsession period, by indulging in too many live CDs. The Fall were the first band by whom I ever enjoyed hearing lots of live versions of the same songs - even, in some cases, preferred them to the album versions. I made it to "Extricate" and went "blah" around the same time I couldn't muster up the enthusiasm to hear another echoey version of "Totally Wired," or, indeed, any Fall at all (for awhile). But I've been waiting to catch my second wind, and sample '90s-and-beyond Fall. (As mentioned on another thread, I'm hoping seeing them for the first time this week may kick my ass in that direction.)

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

as far as albums go you really only need Bend Sinister, The Frenz Experiment, I Am Curious Oranj, Live At The Witch Trials, Dragnet, Hex Enduction Hour, Peverted By Language, The Wonderful and Frightening World Of The..., and 458489 B-Sides. It's simple, really.

scott seward, Monday, 16 June 2003 22:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and the other ones that i forgot.

scott seward, Monday, 16 June 2003 22:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I made the mistake of starting with the first album, which I thought was an odd and somewhat neat, but it didn't compel me to explore any further. It wasn't until several years, and an encounter with "Hex Enduction Hour," later... (I still think "Witch Trials" is not much fun to listen to; something about the way it's recorded...)

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I made a Fall compilation for a friend, and though I can't remember the order of the songs, it went something like this:

The Classical
New Face In Hell
I'm Into CB!
Repetition
I Am Damo Suzuki
New Face In Hell
Hip Priest
Couldn't Get Ahead
Dr. Buck's Letter
Living Too Late
Hit The North
Cruiser's Creek (live from Seminal Live lp)
Dktr Faustus
CREEP
Clear Off!
Oh! Brother
Impression of J. Temperance
Prole Art Threat

Hopefully this, in addition to what Douglas and others are posting, will give you a nice long list of songs to download from your favorite p2p.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the totally wired comp is actually quite a good introduction, even though it only covers the rough trade years

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Victoria

That's a Kinks song, Mike!

Anyway, I think the hype is a bit overblown, and they sound like absolute shit on pot, but they have their moments. Eh.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

here's that "20th Century Fall" deal. It's pretty pop (though I didn't put "Victoria" on it, though for the double CD version - this is for a c90, I'd definitely make the cut.


1) “steppin out”
2) “rebellious jukebox”
3) “dice man”
4) “rowche rumble-live”
5) “pay your rates”
6) “fit and working again”
7) “totally wired”
8) “the classical”
9) “room to live”
10) “lie dream of the casino soul”
11) “i feel voxish”
12) “c.r.e.e.p.”
13) “rollin’ dany”

14) “couldn’t get ahead”
15) “living too late”
16) “frenz”
17) “wrong place, right time”
18) “dead beat descendant”
19) “black monk theme part I”
20) “free range”
21) “strychnine”
22) “hey student!”
23) “life just bounces”
24) “spinetrak”
25) “touch sensitive”
26) “hands up billy”

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

what they said = why i like the fall. though i have only heard everything they did up to perverted by language.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Starting with Palace of Swords Reversed was a very good thing for me, I realize. Most recent Fall acquistions: the rerelease of Fall in a Hole and Listening In. Must get the solo spoken word thingy oh yes. Excuse me, my headache is still doing me in.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Because they sound like absolute shit on pot.

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not a Pere Ubu fan at all, and I could easily do without a lot of Fall stuff from after about 1986 or 1987, but I find the deterioration of both quite sad.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:03 (nine months ago) Permalink

I legit almost teared up at A Message to All

the underground is pass-agg (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

He's so Brian Clough.

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

The day I've been dreading.

"It is with deep regret that we announce the passing of Mark E. Smith. He passed this morning at home.... 1/2

— Fall news (@fallnews) January 24, 2018

Brakhage, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

no nono no no no

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

I've just been investigating this, looks to be true :(

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

exit mark

#TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh man

faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

damnit I figured this was gonna be the next bump :/

frogbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

RIP Mark E. Smith

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

Goddamit.I've been dreading this day for a while now. Without hesitation, I say he/they were the single greatest influence on my musical/esthetic life. I simply can't imagine how different it would been without him. For all his character flaws(and they were numerous) i loved and respected him (though we never met) very much. Hard to think of another artist who "stood their ground" artistically as he did. Raw primitive music with really weird vocals. For all their stylistic changes over the years, he never really go of that ideal. I don't believe we'll ever see the likes of him again. Personally this hits me WAY harder than all proceeding rock deaths. And I know how I'll be spending my day. Watching the awesome Fall dvd from Cherry Red and after that any one of the dozens of ops by The Mighty Fall. bye Mark. You will be terribly missed by me and many others. This world will be a much less interesting place without you.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

Stupid spell check that's lps of course

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

No you guys
No
I don’t want to say goodbye to that mind

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh fuck. Playing Slates now.

kraudive, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

no no fucking no

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

as someone who always feels a little bit weird abt public grief over celebrities I have to say I feel fucking devastated and honestly don;t know what to do with myself

an inferno of a human being and a monster poet who shaped my perspective from a young age and more than any other artist electrified my thoughts and inspired me to keep moving sideways

I'm so full of gratitude to him for refusing to ever rest in peace. I hope that now he can.

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

we're also mourning/talking over here

RIP Mark E. Smith

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

My main regret is that reformation post tlc did not sound even slightly like the mammoth hawkwindesque show they played here when the Americans and the current Britishes were briefly all in the lineup together

― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:42 PM (seven months ago)

Jon is this the gig you were thinking of?

North 6, Brooklyn, NY 2004-10-15

TRACK LISTING

DISC 1 (57:08)

01 Bo Doodak................................(3:50)
02 Boxoctosis...............................(3:30)
03 All Clasp Hands..........................(2:57)
04 Theme From Sparta F.C....................(3:56)
05 Mod Mock Goth............................(4:41)
06 Wrong Place, Right Time..................(2:55)
07 I Can Hear The Grass Grow................(3:14)
08 Mr. Pharmacist...........................(2:06)
09 Mountain Energei.........................(4:42)
10 What About Us?...........................(7:37)
11 Janet, Johnny + James....................(3:12)
12 Green-Eyed Loco Man......................(5:10)
13 Blindness................................(7:01)
14 White Lightning..........................(2:08)

LINE UP

July - December 2004 : lineup # 51 : Mark E. Smith (vocals),
Elenor Poulou (keyboards), Ben Pritchard (guitar), Jim Watts (guitar),
Steve Trafford (bass), Spencer Birtwistle (drums).

sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 02:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

No... it was definitely in greenpoint not Williamsburg and it was Tim Presley and the other American guy still left over from the post-implosion lineup, plus the newly added Dave the Eagle et al

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Monday, 29 January 2018 02:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

thanks, I'll keep looking :)

sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 03:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

ah, found the gig listing at least:

Friday, 2 June 2006 Southpaw, Brooklyn, NY

http://thefall.org/gigography/gig06.html

I do have a recording of that lineup in Pomono CA around 3 weeks prior, 2nd gig with the improvised new lineup, hit me up offline for a copy

sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 03:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Pomona" sorry

sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 04:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh thanks but I’ve got Pomona and a few other shows from immediately after the implosion, it was so much fun to hear those as the tour progressed

Southpaw sounds right venue-wise

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Monday, 29 January 2018 04:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

The best document of the 'American line up' - who remain my favourite of all the iterations of The Fall I saw live - or the best document that I've heard at least, is the DVD of the Last Night At The Palais (the CD mix is a little thin). I was there and it remains the best rock show I've seen in the last 15 years. The band bar Smith came on really late - even by their own standards, about 11pm, so pretty much at curfew - and there was a really tense atmosphere in the venue (aided no doubt by that weird VJ they used to have on in support around that time doing abrasive glitchy cut ups of Coronation Street or whatever and the fact that quite a few gigs round this time had fizzled out early, so I reckon a lot of people feared a no show) but then they opened with Senior Twilight Stock Replacer extended (on the fly I guess) into this incredibly heavy, taut jam and the already agitated crowd started getting *irate* at the idea that the plug was going to get pulled before he even bothered to come out on stage but were still going mad* to the locked groove. I remember the way that the gaps between Presley disdainfully looking to the wings got shorter and shorter until his nibs finally deigned to come on stage just to wrap the song up in about 30 seconds. If it had ended there it still would have been one of the best Fall shows I saw but when they played Blindness it was near perfect. I felt like I was about to start levitating about six minutes in. During the encore of Reformation the stage filled up with security and then there was the 'Thank you for letting us into your security area, we're off to civilisation, goodnight, thank you' goodbye. When the houselights came up some guy in the audience wanted a souvenir and ripped this huge 7' tall brass standard lamp out of the floor and charged out of the front door with it and sprinted off down the middle of the road with two bouncers in hot pursuit. Such a massive sound that line up made. Such a loss.

*this is the relative madness of Fall fans in London in 2007 I'm talking here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwuRkcqOAbI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_DqeOVOaxc

Doran, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 00:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

great description. listening to this now, it's goddamn mighty

imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 00:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

whenever mark e smith, a 'non musician', commandeers a keyboard, he seems to make the most amazing music with it. it's weird

imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

Yes I had an audience recording of that Palais show and that is a Blindness for the ages

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzAOiA4dH_o

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

I liked the American lineup best of all the later Fall groups. Don't know why that album seems so unpopular.

timellison, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:59 (seven months ago) Permalink

The album just sounds kinda weak compared to how those guys played live. I tried to feel it but just couldn’t.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk1TP5EkLS4

"Totally Wired" was the first fall song i heard.

You don't have to be strange to be strange
You don't have to be weird to be weird

dammit its so good. i have always loved their writing: "Pay your rates" "Industrial estates" "Hex induction hour" so many great phrases and word combinations.

i love the messy keys too! love the noisy guitars. The Fall is so awesome

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:04 (seven months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC9htnMBGE

really like this cover of "A Day in the Life"

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

The American group just had more musicality than what I've heard from the others. "Fall Sound" sounded to me like a celebration of the fact that he, at least momentarily, had some people in the band that really got it. Something like "Coach and Horses" is the kind of thing that the old band used to provide for him.

timellison, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

I just bought a copy of that "American lineup" DVD, thanks y'all

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lt4ia-PYQ

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 11:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

Apologies, intended for the MES thread, not being The Fall.
Or: "Von Südenfed is an incarnation of The Fall": discuss.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYcaaxgFJUU

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

Von Südenfed were the German line-up!

imago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

Sudenfed album is so great

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

I bought it on mp3 but then found a copy lying on the sidewalk in Chelsea a month later

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

dear dead friends

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

I was in my gaaaardennnn

imago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:59 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Old news at this point I guess, but just learned that the rest of the group will be continuing under the name Imperial Wax.

https://www.facebook.com/Imperialwaxband/

cwkiii, Monday, 23 April 2018 03:37 (four months ago) Permalink

That's nice

imago, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:42 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The Levitate reissue (my favourite Fall album!) has a killer second disc. Christmastide and a completely altered live Ol' Gang are revelatory

imago, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 13:52 (two months ago) Permalink

when did that come out?

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 15:48 (two months ago) Permalink

like two weeks ago? the extra tracks are all from either the bonus disc from 1st pressings or the B-sides of the three "Masquerade" singles.

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 15:53 (two months ago) Permalink

the bonus disc was always a favourite with the best version of pilsner trail/plaster on the hands and some v good remixes and minor tracks.

masquerade remixes are lasrgely yawn.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 23:14 (two months ago) Permalink

and yes imago otm about ol gang.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 23:15 (two months ago) Permalink

the name of this thread makes me mad every time I see it

akm, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 23:22 (two months ago) Permalink


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