Why does anyone like the Fall?

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This question might've been posed before, but there are too many threads to sort through so Im just aking it. They just sound like rubbish. Granted all I have is This Nation's Saving Grace and the Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall, but I just don't see it. I've heard nothing but wonderful things about them, but when I sit down to listen to them, all I hear is an unrehearsed band with a tone deaf lead singer, and absolutley no hooks. I'm not a bubblegum pop-purist by any means, but their appeal eludes me. Is there just something wrong with me?

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The entirety of the SLATES EP and HEX ENDUCTION HOUR (esp. THE CLASSICAL) is my reasoning.

But then, I tend to like things that sound like rubbish to most people.

doug (doug), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yes. you're a mess. so sort yourself out now!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Funny, those are the only two albums I have and I'm just waiting to earn some more money so I can expand my catalog. Oh and I was gonna go see them this Thursday but then I realized I couldn't afford it. Waiting on money.

No hooks? What about "Barmy" or "2x4?"

Famous Athlete, Monday, 16 June 2003 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and "The Classical" and "Industrial Estates"...

Will (will), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

or cruiser's fuckin' creek for fuck's sake.

scott seward, Monday, 16 June 2003 20:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Felcher, it's about repitition. They like repitition in their music, and they're never going to lose it. President Carter likes repitition, do you?

Seriously though, perhaps name one or two bands that you do like?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yes, plz do that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I found my first Fall album, The Unutterable, to be quite simply priceless. Mark E Smifh has an irreplicable delivery. Of course he also puts out quite a bit of rubbish, but then who doesn't? If possible always listen before buying. Some of the riffs on I Am As Pure As Oranj are also fine indeed.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There are plenty of catchy Fall songs.

The appeal of the Fall, broken down:

1) Heavy emphasis on rhythm and spoken word - sort of like a purely British of rap.

2) One of the best punk vocalists of all time.

3) Excellent lyrics, often brilliant packaging.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

matthew perpetua has got it right on, especially with pt 3

there is no other band i can think of who have recorded several HUNDRED tracks i like, as opposed to a handful, a dozen or even a few albums worth. and still the lyrics can be endlessly original.

kieron, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yo, Felcher - my 1st 2 Fall purchases were _This Nation's Saving Grace_ AND the 2-CD '84-'89 b-sides collection, both of which didn't do much of a damn thing for me. (I 1st heard about the Fall via Girls Against Boys name-dropping them 76 times (+/- 35) in various interviews.) The stuff that turned my head came from "back in the day" ('77-'83). If you don't have access to Soulseek or some other file-swapping utility, the most economical solution for you would be to seek out _Hip Priests & Kamerads_, which collects a slew of stuff from the Fall's early days. Listening to _TNSG_ in light of knowing where The Fall came from, the album sounds positively (WARNING HYPERBOLE WARNING) godlike. If you're feeling lucky & generous, then you might want to get EITHER _Totally Wired - The Rough Trade Anthology_ (2 CDs) or _Psykick Dance Hall_ (3 CDs). All 3 of the anthologies have some overlap (a hallmark of the Fall discography), so pick your poison accordingly - were I you, I'd proceed in the order I listed the albums.

Be warned - if you're looking for stodgy professionalism & precision in the Fall's method of madness, then backtracking to their earlier releases is not what you want to do. If fact, if you come around to liking / loving / wanting to spoon w/ the Fall, it's this very lack of precision & professionalism that you'll probably fall for 1st.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've got everything from Live At The Witch Trials through The Unutterable (though I'm probably gonna be getting rid of some stuff soon). I just think they're lots of fun.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, you have Stephen Song, Craigness, Disney's Dream Debased, Spoilt Victorian Child and Paintwork and you hear no hooks? I think you'd better just give up.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just like that he says "-ah" at the end of every line.

And the drummer goes whomp-a-whomp-a-whommmp-a.

I guess I'm easy to please.

(Subthread: Great songs about The Fall: "Mark E. Smith & Brix," Barbara Manning)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Download "Rebellious Jukebox" from the Fall's first album. HUGE hook on that one...

Ben Boyer, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this is quickly becoming the tone of the thread, but i can't resist asking: if C.R.E.E.P. isn't catchy as all hell then what is~?1?!?

brains (cerybut), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I do really enjoy the Fall, and apparently in the same way as the people who've responded here: the flashes of wit, the repetition, the charming shamble of the band banging and jerking along all primitive while Smith sneers in the space over the top. You do sort of need to enjoy the broken-downness of it all, and maybe the laziness as well. And I'd say the real meat is in the way their hooks and bits of smoothness just clang out from inside all the steady beating so clearly and surprisingly: you get bonk bonk bonk bonk [big clear wide-open guitar riff hook!] bonk bonk bonk bonk.

What I'm more curious about is how the Fall have such serious devotees. Their formula seems to me to result in pretty wide stretches of less-than-necessary stuff, and it's static enough to leave me pretty confident that, say, a two-disc comp of highlights is more than any person could ever need of them. The dedication of their fans, on the other hand, makes me wonder: are there really little gems scattered all through the discography, enough little shifts of personality to make slogging through the whole thing worth it? The fact that people remember the names of their individual songs so readily would lead me to believe they must settle into very different places, but god, my limited Fall listening has not given me much indication that that's the case.

(Good way of testing this, I guess: start an "essential Fall" thread and see how lively and specific and Smiths-like the debate over what tracks count can get.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this thread makes me sad.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Why I like The Fall.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

are there really little gems scattered all through the discography, enough little shifts of personality to make slogging through the whole thing worth it?

In a word, yes. Sometimes it is often necessary to immerse oneself in a prolific artist's work to fully understand it all. Mark E Smith has changed a lot over the past 30 years, and it shows in his work. The Fall certainly can reward those with a casual interest, but if you really want to appreciate the nuances and details, you can't just be a dilletant with a best-of cd.

(Jess's list is pretty cool, by the way)

If you start an "essential Fall" thread, you will find that a lot of people like a lot of different Fall songs, and it probably won't make getting through the huge discography any easier on you.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i don't think the fall have really done a thing worth a good goddamn for the last 18 years, nitsuh, and i'm not really interested in picking over their scraps from those years to pick out a handful of classic songs. but they did enough in those first 8-9 years to justify their acclaim to me...that's like 10 albums/records right there, at least 6 or 7 of which are solid start to finish. which is a damn sight more than most bands ever release.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that's it jess! pistols at dawn!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'll second James. I refuse to let alleged fall-oid give up until after Code: Selfish. And even then I think they should get Light User Syndrome.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, i have cassette copies of "extricate" (?...i might be getting this wrong) and "light user" (bought in an ohio goodwill!) and i cant remember the last time i felt the need to play them

and i swear this has nothing to do with them being cassettes

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I cant remember the last time I felt the need to eat a slaw dog! doesn't mean I can live without em!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

B-b-b-but Spinetrak! SPINETRAK! SPINETRAK!

Extricate is pretty weak, I'll admit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

what about those hotdogs with the cheese inside em?

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

those are disgusting

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Jess, have you heard the Unutterable album? There's some great songs on that one, and there's a couple good ones on that last one with the words Missing Winner in the title.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

big ups to everyone big upping The Unutterable on this thread

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

can someone compile all the best bits from the last 18 years?

gaz (gaz), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If Mark E. is a singer, then anyone could be vocalist, rock-star, anybody, if he/she really wants. Mark gives us hope.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

b-b-but, i don't want to be a singing rock-star

gaz (gaz), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

totally coincidentally I'd made a "20th Century Fall" (Witch Trials through Unutterable) track listing for my website today. When I put it up there I'll put it up here too. I should be getting a CD burner soon so I can make copies if anyone wants one (it'd be a double CD).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really do think there are, as nabisco puts it, gems scattered throughout their discography, though the Slates/"Elastic Man"/"Totally Wired" period has the greatest concentration of them. But "Inch" from _Levitate_ is one of their three or four greatest moments ever as far as I'm concerned, and yesterday when I had my iPod on random "The Real Life of the Crying Marshall" from _The Unutterable_ reached over and whacked me upside the head (in a good way).

First Fall I ever heard was _The Wonderful and Frightening World..._, which did nothing for me at the time. _Palace of Swords Reversed_ was my conversion experience.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Best-of comp I made for a friend about 4 years ago:

1. Prole Art Threat (1981)
2. How I Wrote “Elastic Man” (1979)
3. Totally Wired (1981)
4. Inch (1999)
5. Fortress/Deer Park (1982)
6. New Face In Hell (1980)
7. Free Ranger (1992)
8. Black Monk Theme, pt. 1 (1990)
9. Masquerade (1998)
10. U.S. ’80s-’90s (1986)
11. Kimble (1993)
12. Slang-King (1984)
13. Repetition (1977)
14. Hit The North (1988)
15. Leave The Capitol (1981)
16. Edinburgh Man (1991)
17. Put Away (1978)

I believe almost every band I've ever been in has covered a Fall song at some point, and sometimes it wasn't even my idea... I have vivid memories of playing "U.S. '80s-'90s," "Frightened" and "Fantastic Life."

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My first Fall record was the A-Sides collection, which is probably about as consistently "pop" as a Fall record is going to get. I highly recommend it as a starting place, even if it means you won't hear songs like "I Am Damo Suzuki" "Repetition" "How I Wrote Elastic Man" "Hip Priest" "New Face In Hell" "The Classical" "I'm Into CB!" or any of the songs from Slates right away.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I burned myself out on the Fall during my big Fall obsession period, by indulging in too many live CDs. The Fall were the first band by whom I ever enjoyed hearing lots of live versions of the same songs - even, in some cases, preferred them to the album versions. I made it to "Extricate" and went "blah" around the same time I couldn't muster up the enthusiasm to hear another echoey version of "Totally Wired," or, indeed, any Fall at all (for awhile). But I've been waiting to catch my second wind, and sample '90s-and-beyond Fall. (As mentioned on another thread, I'm hoping seeing them for the first time this week may kick my ass in that direction.)

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

as far as albums go you really only need Bend Sinister, The Frenz Experiment, I Am Curious Oranj, Live At The Witch Trials, Dragnet, Hex Enduction Hour, Peverted By Language, The Wonderful and Frightening World Of The..., and 458489 B-Sides. It's simple, really.

scott seward, Monday, 16 June 2003 22:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and the other ones that i forgot.

scott seward, Monday, 16 June 2003 22:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I made the mistake of starting with the first album, which I thought was an odd and somewhat neat, but it didn't compel me to explore any further. It wasn't until several years, and an encounter with "Hex Enduction Hour," later... (I still think "Witch Trials" is not much fun to listen to; something about the way it's recorded...)

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I made a Fall compilation for a friend, and though I can't remember the order of the songs, it went something like this:

The Classical
New Face In Hell
I'm Into CB!
I Am Damo Suzuki
New Face In Hell
Hip Priest
Couldn't Get Ahead
Dr. Buck's Letter
Living Too Late
Hit The North
Cruiser's Creek (live from Seminal Live lp)
Dktr Faustus
Clear Off!
Oh! Brother
Impression of J. Temperance
Prole Art Threat

Hopefully this, in addition to what Douglas and others are posting, will give you a nice long list of songs to download from your favorite p2p.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the totally wired comp is actually quite a good introduction, even though it only covers the rough trade years

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


That's a Kinks song, Mike!

Anyway, I think the hype is a bit overblown, and they sound like absolute shit on pot, but they have their moments. Eh.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

here's that "20th Century Fall" deal. It's pretty pop (though I didn't put "Victoria" on it, though for the double CD version - this is for a c90, I'd definitely make the cut.

1) “steppin out”
2) “rebellious jukebox”
3) “dice man”
4) “rowche rumble-live”
5) “pay your rates”
6) “fit and working again”
7) “totally wired”
8) “the classical”
9) “room to live”
10) “lie dream of the casino soul”
11) “i feel voxish”
12) “c.r.e.e.p.”
13) “rollin’ dany”

14) “couldn’t get ahead”
15) “living too late”
16) “frenz”
17) “wrong place, right time”
18) “dead beat descendant”
19) “black monk theme part I”
20) “free range”
21) “strychnine”
22) “hey student!”
23) “life just bounces”
24) “spinetrak”
25) “touch sensitive”
26) “hands up billy”

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

what they said = why i like the fall. though i have only heard everything they did up to perverted by language.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Starting with Palace of Swords Reversed was a very good thing for me, I realize. Most recent Fall acquistions: the rerelease of Fall in a Hole and Listening In. Must get the solo spoken word thingy oh yes. Excuse me, my headache is still doing me in.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Because they sound like absolute shit on pot.

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This lot have been in situ since Imperial Wax Solvent! Longest stable line-up ever

imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah basically
This is almost all the people who made OFYC so potential for stupendous excellence is real

or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink

love OFYC

i dunno, honestly i was hoping he would shake-up the lineup a bit i feel like this band has codified this sort bruising, precise repetitive heavy riff thing a bit too much

though the one aspect of the i DIDN'T want to see go was Elena...though I suppose that change has zero to do with music.

lord i bet she could write a book and a half

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:46 (four months ago) Permalink

My post-OFYC mixtape:

Taking Off
Dedication Not Medication
Mister Rode
No Respects Rev.
Auto Chip 2014-2016
Jam Song

imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:36 (four months ago) Permalink

i have no idea who's in The Fall of the 21st century besides MES.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:50 (four months ago) Permalink

xp I would also like to put in a word for All Leave Cancelled.

Jetplane and Loadstones are two of his best songs regardless of era imo.

cwkiii, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:11 (four months ago) Permalink

man, I really need to catch up on the last few. I know they're on Spotify, I should just buy CDs.

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:17 (four months ago) Permalink

I thought Sub-Lingual Tablet had some winning Grotesque-like moments

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:34 (four months ago) Permalink

can anyone comment on the CD vs LP differences on that one?

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:49 (four months ago) Permalink

Some versions of tracks are quite different (the recording/arrangement even) between the two versions. I heard the CD first so that might have prejudiced me, but overall it seems to me the material there is sharper. When The Quietus gave the album a bad review (sort of bizarrely, given that they usually support the band and arguably SLT is their best work this decade), one of the commenters mentioned that several of the review's criticisms seemed to pertain to the vinyl version and were redressed by the CD. I would concur.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:31 (four months ago) Permalink

thank you! I see one song is also slightly longer on CD

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:33 (four months ago) Permalink

I liked SLT a lot

Re-Mit is fun too, this lineups version of a party record

or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:37 (four months ago) Permalink

I just snapped up Ersazt and Re-Mit, will pick up SLT soon and that'll catch me up to the new one

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:39 (four months ago) Permalink

My main regret is that reformation post tlc did not sound even slightly like the mammoth hawkwindesque show they played here when the Americans and the current Britishes were briefly all in the lineup together

or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:42 (four months ago) Permalink

was that lineup recorded live?

imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:43 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't think so... live hammersmith does not have the American kids right?

I keep hoping I'll find an audience recording of that one I was at (greenpoint, Brooklyn, 2007)

or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:46 (four months ago) Permalink

The Hammersmith CD/DVD does actually have the American band, or at least some of them.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 23:11 (four months ago) Permalink

In combo with Dave the eagle and them?

or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 23:28 (four months ago) Permalink

new track isn't too bad you know

imago, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 11:12 (four months ago) Permalink

holy fuck "Loadstones" is incredible

sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:33 (three months ago) Permalink


Fizzles, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 05:34 (three months ago) Permalink


cwkiii, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:06 (three months ago) Permalink

but... why do some of you abbreviate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Future_Our_Clutter to OFYC ? Is it because of the first track?

StanM, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:45 (three months ago) Permalink

iirc spine and cover have the title in different orders

sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:46 (three months ago) Permalink

oh, and also, (I should have read my own link) - "The album had previously been referred to as Our Future Your Clutter."

StanM, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:52 (three months ago) Permalink

9/11 and 9/17 NYC dates added!

cwkiii, Saturday, 24 June 2017 00:14 (three months ago) Permalink

still binge-listening to Ersatz GB and Re-Mit, fully back on the Fall kick and will get SLT soon, maybe will write up more thoughts later but Re-Mit is surprisingly solid. MES voice is used primarily as instrument, lyrics are secondary and IMO much missed compared to glory days, but the primal power remains.

sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 01:47 (three months ago) Permalink

holy fuck "Loadstones" is incredible

― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:33 (three days ago)

fuck yeah! i didnt dig "re-mit" much at the time. i think a re-listen is due

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 24 June 2017 02:23 (three months ago) Permalink

that winding riff is the best, esp the little run on the 3rd beat

sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 02:25 (three months ago) Permalink

I also love the tense groove and stare-you-down vibe of the keyboard-driven "Victrola Time"

sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 02:27 (three months ago) Permalink

The Fall is a great group to discover, to get soaked in their long albums with their different moods and instrumental choices, always revolving around the same structures.
But to listen to individual songs and "singles", casually ? Horrible. So it's one of these bands I've listened a lot of albums from, but only a couple times.
As opposed to many other 80s bands like The Cure that are interesting every day.

Nabozo, Saturday, 24 June 2017 08:27 (three months ago) Permalink

... except for "Big New Prinz" which is unquestionably their best song and amazing in isolation.

yesca, Saturday, 24 June 2017 13:08 (three months ago) Permalink

you're both very wrong, but hey thanks for dropping into the thread

sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 14:12 (three months ago) Permalink


imago, Saturday, 24 June 2017 16:43 (three months ago) Permalink

Picking on individual songs and then burrowing into the albums was the best way to get into The Fall ime.

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 24 June 2017 16:50 (three months ago) Permalink

So many great tunes in isolation!

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 24 June 2017 16:50 (three months ago) Permalink

that's too bad elena is gone, i feel like she has beenin this band the longest beyond MES and I liked how she smoked cigarettes.

akm, Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:11 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Finally got round to reading Renegade, Mark E Smith's autobiography. It's pretty disappointing. It reads like it was transcribed in the pub from him rambling away and could've used a serious edit. Or even better, someone to guide him into different topics. Barely mentions anything of interest and certainly few insights. "Nobody understood but I was right" is his take on practically everything. There was a page about John Peel that sounds sincere but otherwise this amount of sustained MES-isms leaves him looking like insecure old fart.

Steve Hanley's book is the best book about the Fall and tells you a lot more about MES than this book does.

everything, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:53 (one month ago) Permalink

The mick middles book is good

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:28 (one month ago) Permalink

everything otm, very disappointing book.

albvivertine, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:33 (one month ago) Permalink

I've heard that Mr Smith is not well at all, and the multiple NYC performances next month are doubtful.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:46 (one month ago) Permalink

Word is that U.S. dates have all been canceled, but the NYC dates are going to be rescheduled.

JRN, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:13 (one month ago) Permalink

That's per the organizers of the festival in Kentucky that The Fall were scheduled to play next month.

JRN, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:14 (one month ago) Permalink

All US dates postponed until 2018 per the manager's Instagram account due to MES health concerns

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:17 (one month ago) Permalink

And while certainly a bummer this is about the least surprising announcement ever.

New album is great.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Anybody read the Steve Hanley book - it sounds like it might just about be the best account out there of prime time Fall.

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 26 August 2017 00:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I enjoyed it a ton, definitely worth checking out.

cwkiii, Saturday, 26 August 2017 01:05 (one month ago) Permalink

this is the post on instagram mentioned above btw: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYOQaRvDUT5/

StanM, Saturday, 26 August 2017 08:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Hanley's book is a definite must-read if you're seriously into the Fall - you do get the typical time-skip in the late-80s-90s era where tends to condense stuff, but if prime era to you is dual Hanley/Karl stuff you're in for a good time. The amount of bullshit he puts up with from MES over the years/pages is mind-boggling too.

whitehallunity, Saturday, 26 August 2017 23:39 (one month ago) Permalink


more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:34 (one month ago) Permalink

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