100 Reasons Why "Ignition - Remix" Is So Damned Great

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1. The rhythm is really insistent without being hard - it's got this sort of bossanova groove, just bubbling under the song, easing it gently but irresistably across

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link

2. Writing a good "weekend" song is hard to pull off. I fear that the guy who prompted me to begin this thread will say "Nonsense! Anybody can write a good 'weekend' song!" When I see his "weekend" song on the charts, I will concede his point. Until then, I'll note that many, many "weekend" songs are released each year, but very few of them actually poke their heads above the surface. This is because most of them sound forced. R Kelly's greatest gift is his ability to sound natural; engaged; genuine. Even when he's singing in a very mannered fashion.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

3. How is this song in particular a good "weekend" song? For starters, there's the delay in mentioning the weekend. Note a shitty "weekend" song, Loverboy's "Working for the Weekend," for purposes of comparison, which shoots its entire wad in the chorus's first line & then has nothing compelling to say.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

4. Not so "Ignition - Remix." R Kelly delays the song's moment of revelation until the chorus's second to last line:

This is the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
Got evey man in her wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

5. I mean, Jesus Christ, you might as well fault Bob Marley's heartbreaking Wait In Vain because its substance is facile

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

6. "it's not rocket science" right right insofar as rocket science is boring

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

7. But to return to the lyric - what could be funnier than R Kelly's ongoing project of writing new lyrics in which to identify that the version you're hearing is a remix? Think R Kelly doesn't know that that's funny? Where the hell's my boy Trife, he knows what that kind of thinking is called: "racism."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

8. Of course Kelly knows that it's funny to lead of a chorus with a line like "this is the remix to ignition." Kelly's whole persona, aside from his public/non-album one which has gotten completley away from him, is a greatly controlled, beautifully constructed thing. It's the good-time-lovin'/deep-thoughts-thinkin'/survived-it-and-came-to-tell-you-how-it-looks-from -the-mountaintop friend from your own neighborhood, assuming that your neighborhood was a poor neighborhood in the midwest. (More on this momentarily.) He knows his audience, and his audience wants him to keep it light when he's making a party song. That's what this is about.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

9. Here's where that "more on this momentarily" comes in. Your neighborhood probably wasn't Kelly's poor midwestern block, right? Wrong! Of course it was! Because he goes to great pains to universalize that neighborhood, not through long dull paragraphs like these you're presently reading, but by the miraculously casual tone in which he delivers songs that are anything but casual. Try "The World's Greatest": think there was no malice-of-forethought behind the "ad-libbed" part at the end where he substitutes "I done made it" for "I made it"? Think again. That's there by design. It sells you exactly what you're accusing Kelly doing accidentally: it convinces you (successfully, I'd add) that there's no artifice, no craft to it.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

10. Therefore, R Kelly has won and the terrorists have lost.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

11. The extra beat! The extra m*therfu*king BEAT! It's a held chord, is what it is, but it's the last thing you'd expect - right on the line "Bouncin' on 24s," right when you'd expect it to either go back to the tonic or jump into the chorus, and it just

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

12. hangs

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

13. there

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

14. And then we enter into the levels of reference again, which is where I get completely dizzy "Rollin' on 24s/while they say on the radio": what do they say? Oh, good God, they say what critical theory thought they'd say: "This is the remix to igntion"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

15. which is to say that the song describes a party where they're listening to the radio play a song describing a party where they're listening to the radio playing a a song describing a party where they're listening to the radio playing a song describing a party and well you get the general idea

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

16. Which is joy itself! The song has absorbed its creators, its listeners, everybody!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

17. I take back what I said earlier about the song being dumb

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy crap.

David Allen, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

18. I'm saving the rest of this for tomorrow's Last Plane to Jakarta update, I have to be at work in seven hours (it's midnight now) and I can't stay up any later yammering on about a point as glaringly obvious as the greatness of this wonderful, wonderful song

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

you maniac

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

(if anybody's interested, I really will finish this tomorrow, will probably both post it here & to LPTJ - warning, it'll probably also include why "The World's Greatest" is also quite triffic)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

19) Rum and coke is severely underrated and underrepresented in the world of weekend party booty jams.

scott seward, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah but then he mentions crystall and god knows that's overrepresented

Brian the Snorf, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"Cristal," actually: personally I liked that weird moment that was all about Alize. Anyway, lovely, John, except the thing about "World's Greatest" is that he does that thing where suddenly he's turned into Sam Cooke, and while that's not nearly a bad thing I still have this reaction where I go "WTF, why is R Kelly turning to Sam Cooke?" and it distracts me from the song itself. (This also has to do with the fact that there's this guy who used to sing in the Chicago subways and was basically a really good Sam Cooke impersonator, and I start feeling like he's on the radio, and that's also disorienting.)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce

adam west (adamwest), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

20. the vocal phrasing on the line "that's why I'm all up in ya grill/tryin' to get you to a hotel", hiccuping extra syllables out of the vowel sounds in a great rhythm which I've most definitely ripped off for a hi-hat pattern.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:12 (eighteen years ago) link

21. in the car, 2 months ago:

me: is this a coke ad?

nancy: yeah, i think so.

me: this sure has been on a long time

nancy: yeah.

me: holy fuck, this is that r kelly song everyone on ilm is talking about!!

nancy: wow.

me: i hope they play it again.

nancy: yeah.

me: is THIS a coke commerical?

nancy: i'm really confused now.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Al, that's a good one.

22. Am I the only one who thinks he sounds like he's been through some shit on this song? Maybe that's my projecting real life onto the song. There's just way too much soul for a song about downing mix drinks, and you can almost here him trying. I mean, it sounds like he really needs to have fun this freakin' weekend or he's gonna stress out.

Actually, that's only in part of the song, and that juxtaposed with his obvious lust for partying has a great effect.

Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

23) i played it at this party and everyone was juiced and all these punk rock girls sang along with the BUT SO WHAT IM DRUNK line!!

trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link

It occurs to me I've not heard this song.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 June 2003 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

24. He spreads the melodies through the lines, in fact he carries the flow of a particular harmony across a whole verse like... er..... Dose One, I guess.

nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 15 June 2003 08:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the colour scheme in the video - it stood out on MTV

'thru ma 'fro' - wordplay. sweet.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Sunday, 15 June 2003 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

25. That synth line in the background of the chorus! It sounds like the Human League!

26. There's something about the production that sounds stripped down just enough so it seems to (cough) "bear the devices"--I'm thinking of the drum fills just before the chorus, and the aforementioned synth line, even the way he double-tracks his vocals ("Sippin' on coke and rum [rum]/I'm like so what I'm drunk [drunk]")....It's like each device calls a bit of attention to itself because the overall production is so sparse (by contemporary standards). Even the relatively langorous way he sings "bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce" (I take it she's bouncing very slowly) calls more attention to that word than a typical R&B/hiphop track where "bounce" would be one of a zillion instructions spit out in 20 seconds or less.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link

27. The asides in the lyrics: "I'm like, 'So what...'"

28. The good grammar: "Food everywhere / as if the party was catered"

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

29. I have to say this song fills me with a slight bit of hometown pride (I know someone who went to R. Kelly's high school! etc.) despite his rather foul offstage behavior. I picture R. hanging out at one of those massive Jackson Park BBQs with ragga blasting out of 10-ft-high amps.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

30. "I don' normally do this but, uh..."

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

31. When in fact he does normally do this - unless there's some Ignition Mega-Mix 12" coming (we should all be so fortunate), Kelly is claiming that he doesn't normally release the remix at all, then saying he'll let you hear a little of it, and then just playing it.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link

32. And, well - precisely: this is more of that quality Kelly brings to the table that has enabled him to stay strong at the cash register longer than many: it's the dreaded "A" word, you know, "authenticity," all the baggage that carries.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

33. Not the authenticity of "here's my soul," though that's in there, too, and more about it later. The authenticity of "here's what I got, seems good, I'm not gonna mess with it much more." The authenticity of sufficiency, not excellence. The authenticity of excellence is exactly why so many people vomit when other people start goin' on about authenticity.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

34. I'm like, so what, I'm drunk.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

35. But what we're going to have to come back to is what Nabisco brings up & it's where any hyperbole in which we've been engaging will really find its feet and start doing the Charleston. "WTF, why is R Kelly turning into Sam Cooke?" because R Kelly is Sam Cooke

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:46 (eighteen years ago) link

36. OK I have to go to work now (it's a quarter 'til seven in the morning), everybody keep the reasons coming

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Sam liked 'em young too. Hopefully R. will not share his ultimate fate however.

I'd like to hear R. get busy a capella like on the second track of Night Beat.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to drive 8 hours today and I haven't slept a wink!

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

37. YOu don't even need to own a copy to hear it all the time, just turn on the radio, or if you live in the city open the window.

nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

38. i dislike it profusely

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

39. It makes me want to buy a shotgun.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

40. stevem and Alex are...The No-Fun Brigade!*

*I have also expressed the same feelings about this song, but I was wrong.

Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

41. Because the video has a 360-degree shot of R.'s incredible braidwork, and a funny "white guy learns to dance" part, and shout-outs to dead homiez.

Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

don't get me wrong - i don't think its THAT bad, i just have no real feeling for it at all thats the problem. it doesn't excite me, it doesn't make me smile or anything. i wouldn't dance or wave a bottle of beer to it. thats not a flaw on my part or a flaw on the part of the song. JOhn makes good points about the track that i appreciate. and if you're able to ignore the fact that R Kelly is a complete tosspot then more power to you.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"I remember its creamy confidence"

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 January 2020 20:53 (one year ago) link

tmi

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 20 January 2020 21:11 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Hey John, do you still want to piss on me?? I might not be as big as you as a writer, but type my name. I might be googleable enough for you to rethink your public opinion.

Robert Lashley, Monday, 27 September 2021 22:06 (two weeks ago) link

Hate to break it to you, but I just checked your post history and the relevant threads, and JD never said that to you. The fact that you're fixated enough on a seventeen year old mis-remembrance to come onto a thread and make vague threats is a little worrying to me.

mod, Monday, 27 September 2021 23:52 (two weeks ago) link

Wait so is this solicitation open to like anybody orrrrr

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 September 2021 23:58 (two weeks ago) link

lol

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:00 (two weeks ago) link

I googled him and this turned up, not sure why he would want to bring it to JD's attention 17 year later on a thread. Must not like small doggies.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/dogs-rspca-animal-courts-injury-20505119

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:17 (two weeks ago) link

It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat

That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:20 (two weeks ago) link

That totally makes sense, and yeah, reading old R Kelly threads is definitely a fucked-up experience. I've talked about it a lot with friends irl, too - while we may not have known the extent of what he was like, we heard accusations and rumours and completely took part in the diminishing of them to salve our own consciences. Fucking fucked up.

emil.y, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:39 (two weeks ago) link

I can’t check back on the thread but imo anyone lashing out about long-ago hurt on an R Kelly thread gets a pass today, a day in which Kelly has been found guilty and faces life in prison

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:46 (two weeks ago) link

(RL’s post made me check & learn the above, so it’s likely that other posters today are operating without that context too)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:52 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks, sic. I was missing that context.

emil.y, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 01:03 (two weeks ago) link

Just read up on it too, so apologies for my flippant post to Robert.

Not a fan of r kelly's music, I honestly could only name one of his songs, and have always found him creepy (I remember the allegations he was married to Aaliyah when she was 15 more than anything about his music) but he certainly deserves to spend a long time in jail for what he has done.

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 01:04 (two weeks ago) link

I see Robert Lashley won the WWE championship earlier this year, so congratulations Mr. Robert.

Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:24 (two weeks ago) link

It's a light jam, it's kinda hard to hate on even discarding the token hype or knowing what kind of person the artist is (which I certainly didn't when I first heard Ignition remix). I'm kinda flummoxed by people's zeal to reevaluate and declare artists off-limits to protect their own online reputation and integrity. "I never", "I always", "I, I, I" - does anybody care ? I guess the shadow of scandals is nothing new in entertainment, but that's not a good place of judgment, and for me that would be super inconsistent with the criminal artists I keep on my playlists (whether it's Ranking Dread, Michael Jackson, or Burzum).

Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:56 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not aiming at anyone in particular btw, just the internet.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:59 (two weeks ago) link

Think you should try not to judge others on the morally bad musicians they listen to, except in the cases that they are giving said artist money to pay for lawyers (so buying their records, if they are alive) or if it's like Skrewdriver and they are getting brain worms.
As far as I'm concerned personally it isn't even a choice, I couldn't bear listening to RK now, even MJ makes me feel a bit queasy.

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 11:13 (two weeks ago) link

The sad thing is that even long after MJ's death, his estate is still actively paying lawyers to fight his victims and "protect his legacy".

Siegbran, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 12:20 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations where strong even then.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations were strong even then.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

*were not where

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:52 (two weeks ago) link

You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:57 (two weeks ago) link

sorry about that

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:58 (two weeks ago) link

Fucking zines centered on indie and rock just couldn’t do without their token r&b pick, could have just filled the spot with Mark Kozelek or Ryan Adams or Real Estate.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:02 (two weeks ago) link

I was just thinking how, like in 2012, there were so many "Ignition. Is. The. Greatest. Song. Of. A. Generation." articles and then the entire song was basically memory-holed in the last few years

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:06 (two weeks ago) link

xpost Which you couldn't do for, say, "Billie Jean" or even "Rock & Roll (Part 2)"

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?

― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Let's not forget that people lost their minds when Spin DARED to put Beyonce on the cover in 2006. Times change.

https://www.gawker.com/180780/the-new-spin-dont-you-know-things-can-change-things-can-go-your-way-or-not

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:08 (two weeks ago) link

You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

r. kelly was a massive star with number one hits in multiple decades. the pass he was given for far too long is despicable, and it diminishes the sin on the part of the industry and fans to reduce him to just the "ignition" guy

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

otm

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:23 (two weeks ago) link

What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.

― Nabozo, Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

You've never heard I Believe I Can Fly?

J. Sam, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

or "You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:45 (two weeks ago) link

like my bank accooooooooount

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:47 (two weeks ago) link

Or Bump N Grind, or Your Body's Callin', or Fiesta, or Step (In The Name of Love), or World's Greatest, or about a billion other songs that got a shit-ton of play all over the place (let alone how long he dragged out Trapped In The Closet)

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:51 (two weeks ago) link

"Step (In The Name of Love)" is one of the few I can stand these days.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:56 (two weeks ago) link

"You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history

That video was the first I saw of him, and still the only song of his that I've really heard; based on that I thought he was something like the R&B Tenacious D.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 20:10 (two weeks ago) link

you should (shouldn't) hear "the zoo"

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 20:32 (two weeks ago) link

Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:24 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix

xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 20:57 (two weeks ago) link

all over the place

it is possible that Nabozo lives in a different place

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 21:17 (two weeks ago) link

not sure whether this has also been ruined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuY1rt4qp5M

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 21:17 (two weeks ago) link

He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix

― xheugy eddy (D-40)

By not giving him money via streams or buying his records I was indirectly not helping him pay for lawyers to continue with all the raping. Some people would rather believe that over-selling his music as “best song of a generation” and writing articles about it and voting for his music in End of Decade lists in fucking 2010 is all in good fun because there’s no way he received any money from it right?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

Abused in his youth… an addict as a adult… Ike Turner served 18 months in prison.. Rick James did similar time. Ike came out a changed positive human being. How long should R Kelly spend in prison -and does a USA system give a man a chance for a man to change his world around?

— Chuck D (@MrChuckD) September 28, 2021

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 22:51 (two weeks ago) link

(xpost)

Hail Moka, full of taste, preiscience is with thee. Blessed art thou among ilxors and blessed is the fruit of thy music purchases. Holy Moka, accountent of ethics, have mercy on us listeners now and in the future should an artist we enjoy be exposed as a sexual preditor. Amen.

BrianB, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 23:21 (two weeks ago) link

If there's a civil suit and Kelly's future royalties get awarded as damages to the plaintiff, do the songs become ethical to stream again

Nature's promise vs. Simple truth (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 01:32 (two weeks ago) link

no bc spotify still gets some iirc

balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 01:55 (two weeks ago) link

It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat

That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point

yeah Robert was right in the thread he's ref'ing and few who posted to it, myself included, have much/anything to be proud of.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 02:22 (two weeks ago) link

Ok I did see Space Jam - have not heard any of the others - and I do live in a "different place".

Nabozo, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 05:41 (two weeks ago) link

Hardly prescient, he’s been a known sexual predator since 1994.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 09:18 (two weeks ago) link

it's not *really* comparable but watching how Nicki Minaj has tried to use the R Kelly model and failed to distract from some serious allegations about her and her husband, I feel a bit more optimistic that there won't be anyone getting a "pass" on this level again, and I hope this marks a serious change in how the industry deals with situations like this.

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 09:25 (two weeks ago) link


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