MICHAEL JACKSON: Are we sticking by the man or is he seriously not all there?!

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I'm sure there's alot of passionate supports out there and sometimes I consider myself one of them, but I question it...
The man is... a few french fries short of a meal?!?

― Emma, Sunday, 1 June 2003 09:30 (twenty years ago) link

sure he's mad. its why we wub him!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 1 June 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

i'm sure he will sort his massive debts out somehow, surely he can sell half the junk he has amassed and be fine...i hope the financial plan does not include making anymore records

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 1 June 2003 11:57 (twenty years ago) link

no no I'd like more recs and plenty of videos too. especially videos since i won't buy any records.

should be fun in a jerry springer sort of way.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

man, the Michael Goes Shopping segement of that BBC docu was just priceless.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

you mean the Martin Bashir thing? it wasnt BBC if so

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 1 June 2003 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

think there's been a thread about this?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

The butter slipped off his noodles a long time ago.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

we've had french fries and noodles. any more food analogies?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

my theory: being a shut-in celebrity with no life outside of his music, at some point MJ decided it was FUN to act crazy and scare people, so he has devoted the remainder of his life to this droll pursuit, like one of Batman's arch-nemeses.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Is he not all there? Well most of his nose isn't there anymore for starters.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

zing!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

Emma has the best email address I've ever seen.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 1 June 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

He's completely crackers.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 June 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck him.

― Evan (Evan), Sunday, 1 June 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

''Emma has the best email address I've ever seen.''

heh. yeah. haven't seen her around so welcome to ILM emma!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 1 June 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

I wish he'd get help or die.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 June 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

we've had french fries and noodles. any more food analogies?
My personal fave "food euphemism" for crazy is "puts mustard on his Froot Loops."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

haven't seen her around

ha!

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

we've had french fries and noodles. any more food analogies?

I've never seen the appeal of Jacko, post '70s; he was fantastic as a child...that's it, I reckon. I mean, anyone can do those dance moves (moonwalk excepted) and that hiccups singing style is plain irritating. I find the larger-than-life status attributed to the like of Jacko, Prince & Madonna really odd. I think Madonna must have decided to burst her own bubble to avoid being lonely on the way down.

Oh yeah, sorry, food analogies...

... a few sandwiches short of a picnic!

― Jez (Jez), Monday, 2 June 2003 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

food analogies...

Alex's is the best one. "He's Crackers"

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 2 June 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

Bananas
Nuts
Fruit
Cheese fell off his cracker
Butter fell off his pancake

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

no more so than David Gest, where are all the David Gest hatas

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

Fruitcake

Lemon (I've never understood that one)

Silly sausage

― Jez (Jez), Monday, 2 June 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

Michael Jackson hAS done somethings that nobody has not done in history of human. For instance, the way of dancing, singing, and the way he makes everyfan to cry or to be excited of what he does. Michael Jackson is the father of these groups which are Backstreet, Britney, and NSync. These groups have learned how to dance as a group, but I don't mean thier style of dancing is similar to what Michael Jackson and his friends(his group dancers) do, no way. Eventhough these groups which are Britney, Backstreet, and NSync have tried to copy some style of Michael's dancing and his group dancers, they could't do anything. Britney and NSync have copied the Bacstreet's style of dancing and singing, so Bacstreet is more better than the two other groups.Michael Jackson is the only musician that has succeeded in making each of his performance difference from his other performances. As a result, Michael Jackson can still be a pop phenomenon after any group. Besides,none of the groups which are Britney, Backstreet, and NSync are not phenomenon they are just trying to dublicate what michael jackson has created before. I love MICHAEL Jackson, and he will be number one forever. Shame on everyone who do not like Michael Jackson, and tries in some way to hurt his feelings and his fan's feelings. I am 25 years old, and the only singer make me happy is him. God bless him and America.
-- Dustin Bonakdar (dbonakda...), July 28th, 2002

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

Lemon (I've never understood that one)
Maybe related to a clunky malfunctioning peice of equipment being a "lemon" (ie. the person's bR4n3 is a "lemon")

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

The moment that MJ changes to suit these cubicle-bound rock writer shitheads is the moment that I stop loving him. It could be worse, he could be on some small MTV soundstage apologizing for "Like A Virgin" and singing about the Kabbalah, or holed up in a Paisley Park and writing about the pleasures of Larry Graham, veganism, and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Give me a elvin-eared pop space monkey who thinks he'll never die ANYDAY bay bee.

― maria b (maria b), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

But the new music sucks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, after his past few years — the alleged money troubles, the baby dangling, the bizarre marriages, the much-raking documentaries, the still-looming spectre of pedophilia and his declining popularity as a musician — I don't know how it could get much worse.
He's morphed from a respected pop musician into a ... fuck, I'm struggling for appropraite words ... one-person sideshow. And this still fails to even remotely encompass his "eccentricity."
The man is, to use a food analogy, many apples short of a bushel.
I don't care if Madonna is still discovering the world's religions or The Artist Again Known As Prince is a vegan recluse, MJ tops them all in terms of sheer grotesquery.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

But the new music sucks.

you're not just talking about Michael Jackson here are you Neddy boy....you obviously received that 'best of 2002' CD of mine in the post then ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

Oh Christ, Ned. Invincible is infinitely more listenable than American Life or The Rainbow Children. Granted, it's the nadir of MJ's career, but still.... a big "so what."

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

His new music is fine (and, yes, way better than American Life or The Rainbow Children), but if the man isn't well he should be taken care of, and if he's guilty of any of the crimes he's been charged with, he should probably be in jail. Though I find his shenanigans fascinating, I'm starting to wish something would be done so that he's not a danger to himself or others.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

Good God....Invincible, American Life, The Rainbow Children, and The Rising...the four mainstream musicians that most made 1984 (MY year) so awesome have hit the fucking wall, hard. Painful, just painful.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

Unreleased MJ tracks for download!

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think his next recording should be a spoken-word comp of his reaction to Rorschach blots, and it should include those of his children too

― dave q, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:42 (twenty years ago) link

Also, he's broke right? Well (hint, hint...) - how much did the Osbourne family get? The J's would be light-years beyond that one! Cameo appearances by Latoya and Joe would be the highest-rated shows in history

― dave q, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

Like if they did it 'surprise guest' style, only the TV producers would know that behind the closet door Joe would be hiding, holding a paddle with holes drilled in it. The look on Michael's face when he opened the door would be priceless!

― dave q, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:48 (twenty years ago) link

if they don't photograph parts of his body, including his penis.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

oh wow some of those unreleased tracks are truly spectacular in all the wrong ways, esp. "There Must Be More to Life Than This," which I defy anyone to sit through without cringing

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'm much more with Mike D than Maria and Anthony on this one (except I rather like The Rainbow Children, musically at least).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

You know, I've always wanted to support Michael Jackson, though I don't much like his later music. There's just something about him that has made me protective.
Problem is that I can pretty much understand and agree to every argument I hear against him, as he DOES seem like he's a bit of a sordid lobster nowadays.

I dunno, maybe he's sort of like a nestling that has fallen out of the nest,a nd is hopping around pathetically, filling my eyes with.. uhh.. whisky (phew, for a sec I almost lost my totally masculine badass image!)

But the world is a much cooler place now than it would've been without Michael Jackson about.

― Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

Okay...okay...I'm going to say it, because it needs to be said.
I've reached a point where I don't care if Michael Jackson ever gets his shit together. But I would really, really, reaaaallllly like Prince to stop screwing around, hire someone with taste to EDIT his releases down to something managable and release a single disc album as good as "1999" or even the friggin "Batman Soundtrack"
...
There...now that I've got that off my chest...I feel better.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sick of defending American Life, but I wonder if half the people who slam The Rainbow Children have even heard the record. Or if they heard that weird-sounding voice murmuring something religious and immediately shut it off. Custos is right about it being on the long side, though.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Hasn't the last 3 Prince "albums" been box sets that are roughly 70-80% filler? Or am I hallucinating?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

the Rainbow Children has some good stuff on it, as did Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic. They are both too long, and they aren't even close to being on a par with his 80s stuff, true, but imagine dealing with that kind of artistic albatross around your neck... crikey... at the very least they are INTERESTING, in that Prince still has the capacity to induce "what the fuck is he on about?" headscratching, which I think is a very good thing.

Michael Jackson, on the other hand, just induces painful head shaking and a sort of morbid curiosity/disgust. And to equate him with Prince is just shameful, I think - MJ can't write or play jack fucking shit. He's only written, what, 4 or 5 great songs in his ENTIRE CAREER?!? I mean, who cares about this loser? His personal artistic output is pathetic - we're talking maybe three or four album's worth of good material TOPS, and on more than half of it all he did was sing/squeal.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha u guys fukin crak me up. thanks for the posts n welcomes. im thinkin im gunna stick by wacko jacko... hes made an incredible contrib. to the music industry and has some of the best lyrics i've ever heard. gotta respect that ;)

― Emma, Monday, 9 June 2003 11:41 (twenty years ago) link

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