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So, are they any good? I noticed their debut album is 90 in that Spin Alternative 100 list. I never could make it past that cutesy first song. It had a really annoying hip camp counselor vibe.

"We are Maggie and Terre and Suzzy
Maggie and Terre and Suzzy Roche
we don't give out our ages
and we don't give out our phone numbers
give out our phone numbers
sometimes our voices give out
but not our ages and our phone numbers"

Oh, shut the fuck up. So, does it get a lot better after that?

Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 31 May 2003 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to like them quite a bit. Now I have more trouble getting past the cutesy stuff. "Hamond Song," from their first album, is quite good. I think their style of harmonizing is so removed from what musical fashions have been that it's hard to really hear them properly, even when they are at their best. I wouldn't mind getting a copy of the album they did with King Crimson as their backing band--probably the best overall album I have heard by them.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 31 May 2003 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I would probably end up comparing them unfavorably with the Kate & Anna McGarrigle, no matter what they did.

Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 31 May 2003 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Arthur, do yourself a favor & skip Track 1 & give the rest of the album a whirl. The first song is as unbearably cutesy as it gets (tho there are some cute moments that, given your disposition re: the first track, you might find yourself gagging on).

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 31 May 2003 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

what rs and arthur said.

amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 31 May 2003 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the song about the bus ride. And "The Married Men."

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I got Nurds, and there's some cute songs on that, though sometimes it gets too corny (the camp counselor thing is right, though sometimes the subject matter transcends it). I'm definitely curious to hear more.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(what rs said except hammond should have two m's.)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Their "this is who we are, unadorned, take it or leave it" stance is ok if you really have something interesting or attractive to say. Quirky, smart, real and so what.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 31 May 2003 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

QSRASW, muthafuckas!!!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002KK4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I think that album cover is what really turned me against them. They just just looked so incredibly lame in 1979.

I just did a ILM search and it's full of posts from Nathalie talking about how crap they are. Ha!

Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Ironically, this cover is what inspired me to spend the three dollars to get it.

http://64.95.118.51/images/opti/1f/80/138716-music-resized200.JPG

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i LIKE that first song. "...buuuuuut not our ages and our phone numbers..." genius.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i like that song too. and if you don't like it, you're not likely to like them in general. they do harmonising, whimsical, slightly poignant songs. and that's about it. classic, though!

Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Saturday, 31 May 2003 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

oh man, "Hammond Song" is incredible, like, maybe the best song ever. Funny, I've had that album for a few years now, and kind of hated it for a while, but it sure hit me (especially that song) this year. I thought they sounded like a satanic a capella group, which I thought was lame. And then I realized that I REALLY LIKE satanic a capella groups. And dare I say Robert Fripp's finest moment? DARE I?
Incidentally, there's a longish essay on "Hammond Song" in the Oxford American music issue this year.

tylerw, Friday, 2 November 2007 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link

hmmm maybe i'll pull this record out today and give it another try.

artdamages, Friday, 2 November 2007 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, do it! again, i really did not like it the first few times I heard it. A friend gave it to me randomly and for the life of me, I couldn't figure out why. But it kept popping up on my itunes whenever I had it on shuffle and it won me over big time. Fun fact that I learned from that Oxford America essay -- Paul Simon discovered them! They sang on Rhymin' Simon. Weird.

tylerw, Friday, 2 November 2007 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i do like the singing, but right after hammond is another cornball song about waitressing or whatever

artdamages, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"The Train" is fucking awesome. "Hammond Song" got a nice write-up in the new Music Issue of The Oxford American (by John Jeremiah Sullivan), and appears at the end of the issue's free CD.

Matos W.K., Friday, 2 November 2007 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

(sorry, xpost about the OA. should've read more carefully)

Matos W.K., Friday, 2 November 2007 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i love "the boat family"

and what, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Hammond Song is indeed ridiculously amazing. "Losing True" comes close

jaxon, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Hammond Song is an incredible song, one of my favorites, but it's an anomaly for me. The rest of their stuff is OK to pretty awful.

caek, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Hammond Song is indeed ridiculously amazing. "Losing True" comes close

-- jaxon

otm

gershy, Saturday, 3 November 2007 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"Hammond Song" pwns, but "Pretty and High" is almost as good.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 3 November 2007 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Cover of "Married Men" is great!

roxymuzak, Saturday, 3 November 2007 06:58 (fourteen years ago) link

it's actually their tune (maggie wrote it?)but i guess phoebe snow recorded it first

gershy, Saturday, 3 November 2007 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought it was Janis Ian?

roxymuzak, Saturday, 3 November 2007 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

amg & wiki confirm maggie roche as the writer - maybe janis ian did a cover as well (married women for her amirite?)

gershy, Saturday, 3 November 2007 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Hm! Well, way to go Roches! It's a good song.

roxymuzak, Saturday, 3 November 2007 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

i love "the boat family"

Me too.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 3 November 2007 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I played my friend Hammond Song and he liked it so much he used in the trailer for his movie: http://www.vimeo.com/1524737

Convert your pencil into a large pole (caek), Sunday, 14 September 2008 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha, neat, you inadvertently got me into the Roches! I found that trailer on youtube when I was going through a bit of a Rebecca Pidgeon phase a while back, and I was so taken with the song that I googled the lyrics to find out who it was. Insta-fan! I love that whole first album.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 15 September 2008 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

is Speak worth buying? The reviews suggest it is.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 September 2008 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

xp, haha! glad to have played a part.

Convert your pencil into a large pole (caek), Monday, 15 September 2008 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link

speak! i haven't listened to that in 15 yrs probably. my impressions at the time - not bad. suffers from a sort of bland "updating" of their sound (which is of course oh so dated now). not dissimilar to the mcgarrigle's "heartbeats accelerating" in that sense.

the internets ideal (velko), Monday, 15 September 2008 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"He's miserable
And I am miserable
Weeee are miserable
Can't we have a party
Would he rather have a party?
After all we have to sit here
And he's even drinking a beer
I want to ask him what's his name
But I can't 'cause I'm so afraid of the man on the train"

Matos W.K., Saturday, 15 August 2009 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

"I am trying not to have a bad day" all time great line

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i haven't pulled out these LPs in years. remember really liking 1975's "seductive reasoning" the best. "west virginia" and "telephone bill" were good IIRC. produced by paul simon, and sounds like his first solo LP at times (that is a GOOD thing).

so odd that the s/t album was produced by robert fripp! how did that happen? anyway aside from "hammond song" i can't remember much of anything from that or any subsequent LPs.

their 80s and 90s albums were staples of bargain used CD bins for years. probably still are.

amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

sounds like his first solo LP at times (that is a GOOD thing)

it's as good a thing in that realm as there is

Matos W.K., Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah,

btw "seductive reasoning": http://rapidshare.com/files/197231698/RSDuo75.rar

amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

[since it is out of print]

amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Do I wanna be a dog?
any diddlin' male would do
if I was a damned old dog
I wouldn't be fussy for you

Do I wanna be a housebroken dog
eat better than an Indian
I don't wanna be a damned old dog
I just wanna lick your chin again

I thought that I could convince you
I thought that I could get through
chew out a hole in the fence you
barked up between me and you

Limpin' around in the moonlight
coverin' up what I did
words decompose all around me
nuisances I committed

Do I wanna be a dog
cut the heat out of me
if I was a damned old dog
I wouldn't have to goddamn human be

Joint Custody (ian), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

I used to sing these songs with my older sister to practice harmonies, even though I am not entirely crazy about them. Roxy and I cover the song Married Men when we do our sister folk music project, Easy Company, which rarely gets any of our attention.

I always liked their song Mr. Sellack, which begs a boss to give them their old job back:

Oh Mr Sellack
Can I have my job back?
I've run out of money again
Last time I saw you
I was singing Hallelujah!
I'm so glad to be leavin' this restaurant

Now, the only thing I want
Is to have my old job back again
I'll clean the tables
I'll do the creams
I'll get down on my knees
and scrub behind the steam table

...

Now the only thing I want
Is to have my old job back again
I won't be nasty to customers no more
When they send their burger back I'll tell them that
I'm sorry

Waiting tables ain't that bad
Since I've seen you last, I've waited
For some things that you would not believe
To come true

Kelsey Glamour (Nijoli), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

Mr Sellack is so cute imo.

Joint Custody (ian), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

if u go down to Hammond you'll never come back iirc
imo yr on the rong track

velko, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

"Jill of All Trades" is one of my favorite songs ever...I first heard it through the gorgeous cover by Liquorice, and then after hearing the original, I realized that Liquorice got some of the key lyrics wrong. For example, Jenny sings, "Running into love, south of the border. Why you wanna get stuck with a needle and a kiss?" But the original goes, "Running into *luck*, south of the border. Why you wanna get stuck with a needle and a *kid*?"...which is a completely brilliant line, obliquely referring to an abortion performed in Mexico (presumably pre-Roe v. Wade), using mid-sentence rhymes ("luck" with "stuck"), and using two meanings of "stuck" (pricked with a sewing needle, and left with a kid). You don't find songwriting this good very often, folks!

ernestp, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

I think the Fiery Furnaces listen to the Roches. Roches + Sparks = Fiery Furnaces. Makes me like the Fiery Furnaces more, considering that, actually.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 23 September 2010 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

lol largest elizabeth gis
http://www.history.com/images/media/slideshow/new-jersey/new-jersey-elizabeth.jpg

buzza, Thursday, 23 September 2010 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

Roches mix I made for my Mom:

We (The Roches, 1979)
Everyone Is Good (Speak, 1989)
The Death of Suzzy Roche (Nurds, 1980)
Bobby's Song (Nurds, 1980)
Easy (Speak, 1989)
The Married Man (The Roches, 1979)
Troubled Love (A Dove, 1992)
Ing (A Dove, 1992)
The Largest Elizabeth in the World (Keep on Doing, 1982)
Losing True (Keep on Doing, 1982)
My Sick Mind (Nurds, 1980)
Somebody's Gonna Have to Be Me (A Dove, 1992)
West Virginia (Seductive Reasoning - Maggie & Terre Roche, 1975)
The Boat Family (Nurds, 1980)
Big Nuthin' (Speak, 1989)
I Love My Mom (Speak, 1989)
Want Not Want Not (Keep on Doing, 1982)
You're the Two (A Dove, 1992)
Love Radiates Around (Another World, 1985)
Hammond Song (The Roches, 1979)

I don't know what possessed me to leave off "The Train" or "The Troubles" from The Roches.

And to answer Alfred's post from 2008, Speak is excellent. (And A Dove is pretty good too.)

Hideous Lump, Friday, 24 September 2010 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

i'm a big fan of their early stuff but never listened to NURDS

terrible,gay,homo,awful,house,music,Christine,Green,Leafy,Dragon,Indigo (buzza), Friday, 24 September 2010 05:57 (twelve years ago) link

thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brIogcMAXSQ

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Thursday, 16 June 2016 01:38 (six years ago) link

xp oh! I played a gig with The Drink once. Glad to see they're doing well.

TARANTINO! (dog latin), Thursday, 16 June 2016 08:24 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

To the original poster...you only need to sit through two and a half minutes and you get to one of the most beautiful transitions/songs in recorded music!

https://devonrecordclub.com/2016/07/11/the-roches-the-roches-round-91-toms-selection/

yugi ex, Monday, 11 July 2016 11:06 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

RIP Maggie

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 21 January 2017 15:25 (five years ago) link

ah, shit. I really need to pick up some more Roches records beyond the debut.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 January 2017 16:09 (five years ago) link

love them but she was always my favorite, amazing songwriter. very sad to hear this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBqhigRvplo

velko, Saturday, 21 January 2017 16:31 (five years ago) link

https://youtu.be/oh9nlTTygmQ

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 21 January 2017 19:34 (five years ago) link

love them but she was always my favorite, amazing songwriter. very sad to hear this.
📹

That's a great song.

Also, embedded link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh9nlTTygmQ&feature=youtu.be

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 21 January 2017 19:36 (five years ago) link

I was too pat and dismissive in my earlier posts on this thread, although yeah, I still think they were too cutesy at times. Maybe it's just another example of the self-indulgence that you sometimes have to indulge (at least to the extent of setting it aside) in artists you enjoy.

Anyway, she was a great songwriter, overall.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 21 January 2017 20:14 (five years ago) link

RIP. My favorite of her songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MyJIQkdruo

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 January 2017 20:38 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBQSJLRb-mw

My favorite of hers, written from the point of view of her father who was in the late stages of Alzheimer's; the "she" in the song is her mother.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 21 January 2017 23:55 (five years ago) link

Thanks, and good to know that kid sister Suzzy is still active, touring in '16 w daughter Lucy Wainwright Roche, who also works solo and with Martha as The Wainwright Sisters. Mom and daughter did this song and video, re Suzzy's novel Wayward Saints:
http://www.roches.com/suzzy/

dow, Sunday, 22 January 2017 00:08 (five years ago) link

So sorry to hear this, I grew up listening to the first two Roches albums - the first is covered very well upthread, but the 'Nurds' is also absolutely worth checking out. The title track starts off sort of MOR and almost gets like Roches do Kleenex/LiLiPUT after a bit which is pretty unexpected if you're going through their LPs in order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWnAxwLriig

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 22 January 2017 01:11 (five years ago) link

Does anyone know the story behind the stuff they shout it in "Nurds?" I'm guessing some of it might be actual school girl taunts.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 22 January 2017 01:41 (five years ago) link

My pal Steve just uploaded this, it's apparently an off air copy and has a Q&A that was never broadcasted, the second part is uploading as we speak I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsRB0xH55P4&feature=youtu.be

MaresNest, Sunday, 22 January 2017 18:31 (five years ago) link

Dang, one more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsRB0xH55P4

MaresNest, Sunday, 22 January 2017 18:32 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

the prince was confused, so he asked the magician

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:22 (five years ago) link

i just heard "hammond song" for the first time. what a remarkable song. the odd lyrics and those harmonies playing around with the guitar Frippery. yum

― tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:35 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ Me right now.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:23 (five years ago) link

absolutely love Hammond Song. Go-to drinking song tbh

Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:30 (five years ago) link

Don't know if the Roches have any true heiresses, but The Unthanks come to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyAPZaey7PQ

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:33 (five years ago) link

Soz, meant this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPnDO4gJk84

Folk evolving into British Sea Power-esque proggy bliss where stakes are honestly high.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:35 (five years ago) link

I am probably half of the dedicated Unthanks thread at this point

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 14 July 2017 01:37 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Suzzy & Lucy got a new alb out Oct. 30, details here (didn't know this site, got a lot of Roche-Wainwright-and-otherwise-relateds/compatibles):http://storysoundrecords.com/news

dow, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:59 (two years ago) link

Nice. I've been meaning to check out the others they've done, or really any of the various solo and duo Roche albums. So much stuff released between A Dove and Moonswept, in particular, and those are both great.

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Friday, 18 September 2020 00:52 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

oops, just saw this:
hello from NYC!
just wanted to let you know that my mom and I will be doing an online show from my apartment - tonight at 7:30 eastern!

don't worry - if you can't make that time, the concert will remain up and watchable for a few days. if you CAN make it, YAY!
Here's how to find us tonight:

Suzzy and Lucy
Songs From Home - November 18 - 7:30pm

YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWH0NNf98hY
Facebook:
www.facebook.com/lucy.w.roche

Instagram :
@lucywainwrightroche

Sending love from Brooklyn!
xo Lucy (and Suzzy!)

dow, Thursday, 19 November 2020 01:26 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Maggie Roche wrote an 8-minute song about how much she loves her winter coat, and it's utterly delightful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3SBuAqbxz4

J. Sam, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 02:04 (one year ago) link

So charming! I'm not familiar with much of their stuff beyond the first few albums (and Seductive Reasoning), but I came across this song at some point and it's been a favorite of mine ever since.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 14:54 (one year ago) link

Roches' Christmas album is a longtime favorite.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 19:23 (one year ago) link

That was, indeed, charming.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 31 December 2020 06:48 (one year ago) link

Don't always like that first song they play on that Song From Home concert, but they got through to me.

Dog Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 31 December 2020 14:10 (one year ago) link

Okay, “My Winter Coat” is great.

Dog Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 31 December 2020 14:22 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Mountain Stage recently re-broadcast Suzzy & Lucy's December set from home, and it's pretty involving,in some unexpected ways, like when voices infiltrate the big acoustic guitar---not boomy guitar, just something about the home recording plus the typically quirky Mountain Stage sound, at least on radio---haven't listened to the archived set yet, though incl. songs that didn't make the broadcast time constraints, from a very strong, variegated, cohesive li'l trip through originals and covers (Connie Converse, from the 50s, I think they said, comes across like a Roche, Suzzy's hip youngest aunt maybe), also "Factory Girl," not the Stones alas, but a vivid British folk song: Audio and playlist are herehttps://www.mountainstage.org/archives/Pages/playlist.aspx?playlistid=212

dow, Sunday, 11 April 2021 18:33 (one year ago) link

"when voices infilrate" that's mainly a passage in one song, I think; voices are up front most of the time.

dow, Sunday, 11 April 2021 18:35 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

Mother's Day show ov Lucy & Suzzy will be up for a while; if this link don't work check their Facebook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExW86ZJ7b5U

dow, Sunday, 9 May 2021 21:38 (one year ago) link

Wow. Sounds incredible. Thank you

scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 9 May 2021 23:43 (one year ago) link

Oh, hi. Probably not quite the time or the place, butch thinking of doing a poll in Lucy’s dad in the near future, if there is any interest. Happy Mother’s Day!

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 May 2021 23:45 (one year ago) link

Butch = been.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 May 2021 23:45 (one year ago) link

in=on

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 May 2021 23:45 (one year ago) link

I wish you were butch until...sorry

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 May 2021 23:46 (one year ago) link

Maggie Roche wrote an 8-minute song about how much she loves her winter coat, and it's utterly delightful

The 8+ minute title track is also amazing. Starting to think that's secretly one of their best albums.

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Monday, 10 May 2021 20:20 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Bracing live track here: https://pathwaytoparis.bandcamp.com/track/cold-october-day-live-lucy-wainwright-roche-and-suzzy-roche Some others here by them, Martha, Nicole Atkins (whom curmudgeon and I think sounds like 60s Laura Nyro, but def w her own songwriting style), David Johansen, others, sep and together--might have to get this benefit.
Which led me to the original "Cold October Day" and a lot more:https://lucywainwrightrochesuzzyroche.bandcamp.com/album/mud-apples

dow, Friday, 15 October 2021 18:41 (eleven months ago) link

That was pretty great.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 16 October 2021 04:54 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

Singer-songwriter Terre Roche of the legendary NYC sibling folk trio, The Roches has announced the release of Kin Ya See That Sun, a collection of previously unreleased live recordings and original songs written and performed by Terre and her late sister Maggie. The 15-track album arrives digitally Friday, October 21.

Kin Ya See That Sun will also be released as a limited-edition book featuring illustrations by Terre, song lyrics, rare photographs, exclusive new interview excerpts, and additional background about the project (all book purchases receive a digital download of the album). The book is available for pre-order now.

Kin Ya See That Sun is heralded by today’s premiere of the title track which is the first song Terre and Maggie wrote together as children.

“I was 12 years old, and Maggie was 13,” says Terre Roche. “We were just learning to play guitar. We’d learned off a PBS special called ‘Folk Guitar with Laura Weber’ – I’ve always regretted that I never wrote Laura Weber a fan letter, and sadly she has passed away, but she taught us a bunch of guitar chords, strums and very cool folk songs we had never heard before. Maggie gave me this set of lyrics and I wrote the music for it. Though we had never traveled beyond our New Jersey home we had a longing to go out West.”

Listen to "Kin Ya See That Sun"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KEU2dCPXE

Terre and Maggie Roche grew up in Park Ridge, NJ where they first fell in love with folk music before setting off to perform their own songs at college campuses around the country. The sisters toured the US by themselves, for more than two years, with 17-year-old Terre completing her senior year of high school by doing homework and exams while on the road. Paul Simon met them when they crashed his songwriting class at NYU. He would come to produce part of their album Seductive Reasoning and enlist them to sing background harmonies on his blockbuster third solo album, 1973’s There Goes Rhymin’ Simon. With his support, the sisters made their official debut with 1975’s now-classic Seductive Reasoning, featuring production from Simon and the renowned Paul Samwell-Smith (Cat Stevens, Carly Simon, Jethro Tull), with backing by the famed Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section.

Terre and Maggie were soon joined by youngest sister Suzzy as The Roches. Hailed for their irreverent, beguiling, and original approach to traditional folk songcraft and three-part harmony, the trio made a spectacular debut with 1979’s The Roches (produced by Robert Fripp, with whom Terre also collaborated on that same year’s milestone LP, Exposure), followed by a long series of recordings, tours, and TV appearances (including a memorable 1979 performance on Saturday Night Live).http://www.roches.com/television/snl79.html

Sadly, Maggie Roche passed away in 2017. Two years later, out of the blue, Terre received live recordings from two different people who had recorded her and Maggie performing in 1975 and 2000. Here were many of the songs from Seductive Reasoning as they were originally arranged, just two voices and two guitars. Highlights include powerful performances of fan favorites like “Telephone Bill” and “Damned Old Dog” (recorded during a 1975 promotional tour) and the classic “If You Emptied Out All Your Pockets You Could Not Make the Change,” the latter recorded during Terre and Maggie’s acclaimed run of concerts in 2000. All live recordings featured on Kin Ya See That Sun were restored and mastered by Thomas Millioto.

Kin Ya See That Sun further collects never-before-heard songs such as “The Colleges” and “Apostrophe to the Wind” alongside exclusive outtakes from Seductive Reasoning including “Pretty and High” (later re-recorded for The Roches’ eponymous debut) and the previously unreleased gem, “Moonruns,” both produced in London by Samwell-Smith.

“Working on this project has brought me back in touch with the deep spiritual connection Maggie and I shared at a point in our lives,” Terre Roche says. “You can hear that connection in these songs. Hearing the music we made together amazes me after all these years. And I feel her gratitude toward me, wherever she is now, for shepherding the songs in their pure form through some tough terrain and on out into the light for everyone to hear.”

Terre will celebrate the release of Kin Ya See That Sun with a special performance at New York City’s City Winery on October 18 at 7:30pm. Tickets are on sale now.

Tracklist:

Apostrophe to the Wind

Damned Old Dog

Down the Dream

If You Emptied Out All Your Pockets You Could Not Make the Change

Kin Ya See That Sun

Malachy’s

Moonruns

Pretty and High

Telephone Bill

The Burden of Proof

The Colleges

The Mountain People

West Virginia

Wigglin Man

Blabbermouth

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dow, Thursday, 25 August 2022 18:32 (one month ago) link

This has eight of the ten songs from Seductive Reasoning, which I think may be better than any of their first three records as the Roches. They're not relying as much as they would later on cleverness and whimsy, and there's a ghostly quality to a song like "West Virginia" that they didn't quite recapture later. Maybe the harmonic variety of writing and performing on piano as well as guitar gives it a greater range, too.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 August 2022 19:54 (one month ago) link

Seductive Reasoning was the first one I heard and the others were disappointing in comparison.

Cow_Art, Friday, 26 August 2022 20:49 (one month ago) link

I first heard (and saw) them in 1979 on SNL. My 14 year old self had no idea what to make of them. I thought it was some kind of joke.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 26 August 2022 21:02 (one month ago) link

Buying this for my mom. Am I to understand that there will be no physical audio release? Just the book and digital? If this is the case, I'd say they are leaving some money on the table, given the age of their fanbase. Maybe I'm missing something. The website isn't super clear

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 26 August 2022 22:44 (one month ago) link

This has eight of the ten songs from _Seductive Reasoning_, which I think may be better than any of their first three records as the Roches. They're not relying as much as they would later on cleverness and whimsy, and there's a ghostly quality to a song like "West Virginia" that they didn't quite recapture later. Maybe the harmonic variety of writing and performing on piano as well as guitar gives it a greater range, too.


Seductive Reasoning is about even with the first three Roches albums for me. It’s strange though: those three piano ballads on it are a big reason why I rate it so highly, but that style is entirely absent from those early Roches albums. As much as I love large portions of them, I don’t find any of those albums consistently great — maybe they would have been improved by the occasional piano ballad. "West Virginia" in particular, yeah, is really haunting and beautiful.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Sunday, 28 August 2022 03:45 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Everything about that record is A++++, even the jokey songs.

I second this, though my 8yo absolutely hates this record

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 13:43 (two weeks ago) link

Another World is puzzling, it's hard to tell what they were trying to do with the production or whether they just acquiesced to it. It's simultaneously slick and cheap, which is a particularly bad combination in terms of 1985 sonics. There isn't even a lot of the goofy stuff that sometimes weighed down the previous records, but it's not generic enough to actual imagine it breaking through on the radio of the era.
This came out the same year as Suzanne Vega's debut, which I've heard discussed as a spearhead of a folk revival; I wonder if that would have been a better sound for them.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 September 2022 16:00 (one week ago) link


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