Tina Turner - Classic or Dud?

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Never liked her. Not even a little bit. Not her 80's comeback stuff, not her early 70's gospel-shouting stuff with Ike either. Much much too drag queen material for me, I'd much prefer Gladys Knight or something.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 25 May 2003 06:12 (twenty years ago) link



Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 06:18 (twenty years ago) link

I remember not minding "You Better Be Good to Me," largely because of the inclusion of Jamie West-Oram's guitars (he from the Fixx, whom I've always had an inexplicable fondness for). Her stuff from the otherwise completely dire "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome," while somewhat incongruous to the film's apocalyptic post-punk aesthetic, wasn't too terrible (this being "One of the Living" and "We Don't Need Another Hero"). Beyond that, I can't really say. I wouldn't call her "dud," but I wouldn't get all excited about her either.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 25 May 2003 11:00 (twenty years ago) link

Solo it's all dud, but the stuff with Ike is mostly classic, including the stuff not with Ike that Spector produced that still has Ike's name on it. It's Ike who was the colossal talent, and someone who is widely underappreciated - his being an utter bastard can hardly help in this, but it shouldn't blind us to his great musical importance and wonderfulness.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 11:40 (twenty years ago) link

Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome is alright. It's just lifted a bit too much from Escape from New York and what's left is a bit of a mishmash that doesn't flow quite as well as the second in the series.

Calz (Calz), Sunday, 25 May 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

Are you fucking kidding? Unabashedly classic chick rock. Dude.

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

You're all out of your f*cking minds. The most classic of the classics. The energy, charisma, balls-out sexiness, and ability to deliver a rock n roll song like a tropical storm.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

Legs, grimaces, menopause, saxophone, and guitar-heavy bridges.... HELLO!?!

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Classic! What the fuck? So many haters! I seriously need to buy that Private Dancer album.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

She's not my thing, and, like Martin said, Ike is the one who deserves most praise, but still mothafucking classic.

oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link


luna (luna.c), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Tina solo is dud.

Ike & Tina is classic.

Tina as Acid Queen is fooking classic.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

Private Dancer is a serious classic.

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 25 May 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

Ike Turner is not allowed in Japan. Because of a 1990 drug bust.
Poor guy, even though he's a total asshole, though probably no more of one than 95% of other people in rock/roll.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

Her stuff from [...] "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome," [...] wasn't too terrible (this being "One of the Living" and "We Don't Need Another Hero").
Am I alone in thinking that the Beyond Thunderdome OST was the best Tina Turner Rekkid? Even better than Private Dancer?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

i liked her Bond theme, the whole 'Foreign Affair' album and anything else by her from that period is quite horrible tho

stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

Wasn't her Bond theme written by Bono & The Edge?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

So classic it's not even funny. Ike and Tina's version of "Proud Mary" is one of the most exciting songs I've ever heard.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

the only thing classic about her is her adoption of the fake accent a few years ago.

keith (keithmcl), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

So classic it's not even funny

i like this sentence of Sean's quite a bit. really.
but i'm still undecided as to which bits from it i'd take to piece together a sentence of my own...

"not", "funny" and "sic", these for sure.
...and not any others, it seems.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

Wasn't her Bond theme written by Bono & The Edge?

yep, and produced by Nellee Hooper

stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

"the only thing classic about her is her adoption of the fake accent a few years ago."

No dear, you're thinking of Madge.

maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

Is it true that she provided the vocals for "Come To Daddy"???

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

tina has a new accent too.

keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

She reminds me of your embarrassing auntie who'll get up at family parties after a few schooners of sherry.

In fact, I have an aunt that does this.

Usually to 'The Best' - surely one of the most hideous songs ever written.

Tina Turner - looks to me like she's escaped from a Ty Phoo advert - and a granny in thick supporting tights and a frightwig - never good.

russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:10 (twenty years ago) link

Tina is Classic. Where's the love.

Ike & Tina amazing stuff.
Private Dancer - one of the defining albums of the 80s (and my first big concert age 11 or so)
she was Auntie Entity - you try walking around in the desert wearing a chainmail outfit that weighs 80 pounds. that's tough.

more recent stuff hasn't done much for me tho thought the song she did for the biopic was pretty good.

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:18 (twenty years ago) link

oh...and did anyone hear her massacre cover version of Unfinished Sympathy? Utter faeces.

Die, Grandma, die!

russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

the finished-off Sympathy was utterly vile, yes.
and there've been other T-Turner'ed cover murders, 'fcourse.

(on the other hand there're also things like "Proud Mary"...)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

I love how Tina gets her foot loose on "What You Get is What You See," my favourite song of hers.

scott woods (s woods), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

You are all insane. Tina Turner is completely fantastic (and yes, I include the "Mad Max" stuff and the "Unfished Sympathy" cover).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

Doctor for Mr Perry.
And quick, too......

russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, "Unfinished".

It's official: ILM hates black people.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

(I estimate that comment is good for at least 300 responses...)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

Is Titi Turner black?
It's kinda hard to see under all that nylon hair and those thick 1,000,000 denier legging-tights.......

russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

(Damn, only 1. I should be more patient.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

Tina Turner sang "River Deep, Mountain High." If she had never done anything else ever, and she has, then she'd STILL be in the Top 5 Female Vocalists list.

(Sorry for the non-racism, Dan. But keep hope alive!)

Neudonym, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

without ike, a short walk to being ethel merman.

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

....maybe Tina will follow in the great Ms Merman's footsteps and release a 'Tina Does Disco' album?

Or has she done that already.....?

RUSS T, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

...and a granny in thick supporting tights and a frightwig - never good.
Helluvalot better than the grumpy grandma with her hair in a too-tight bun who keeps asking you if you have found Jesus yet. (and it takes all my willpower to keep from saying "Yeah, I found him, and then I killed his sorry ass.")
You forget something, russ...Tina looks and sounds hotter now than any 60 year old deserves. Just think: Marianne Faith is actually 8 years YOUNGER and she looks and sounds horrible. Hence, Tina == Classic.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

and if Tina sang backup on a Metallica track, she'd DROWN OUT the band.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

altho Tina's backup vocals sure didn't drown out Frank Zappa...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

Tina sang backup for Zappa? When?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
Wow, "Typical Male" sounds GREAT all these years later.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I went to a high school performance of "Leader of the Pack" recently, and it completely sucked except for this one girl who blew me away with her version of "River Deep, Mountain High." It was way better than a live Turner version I just watched on Youtube.

Tape Store, Monday, 16 April 2007 05:43 (sixteen years ago) link

60's Tina Turner is a rock goddess. all-time great. what's next?

Son House C/D
Muddy Waters C/D
Little Richard C/D
Rolling Stones C/D

nicky lo-fi, Monday, 16 April 2007 06:44 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

one of the best all time performers EVER. but saying that, i dont know how many of ike and tina turners songs i actually like, apart from nutbush city limits, proud mary, river deep mountain high and maybe one or two others. maybe i just dont know enough. but seeing them live must have been phenomenal, going on the dvds ive seen.

titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, 15 December 2007 12:41 (fifteen years ago) link

"ike turner beats tina to death"- i've just seen this headline.

darraghmac, Monday, 17 December 2007 12:44 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

come on you sons of bitchez


Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Even fucking Iggy Pop couldn't do better than that you better kick your sexist ass out of town

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 09:42 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...


Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 6 December 2008 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sad about this death, but in some ways it's good to encounter this sort of untainted closure. Did anyone really have anything bad to say about Tina Turner? She got to live to a respectable age, got to be wildly successful, inspired millions, doesn't really have any dings against her name. This is how you live a life, or relive a life, in her case.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 May 2023 14:46 (one week ago) link

I get all that. Kinda felt the same way about Aretha. Will feel the same way when we (hopefully a long, long, long time from now) lose Dolly.

niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Thursday, 25 May 2023 14:58 (one week ago) link

Is it Claudia Lennear upfront in that TNT clip?

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 May 2023 14:59 (one week ago) link

Looks like she didn't write much after leaving Ike, but I cannot imagine a better autobiographical song than Nutbush


Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Thursday, 25 May 2023 15:15 (one week ago) link

The Bowie/Turner/Keef pic is supposedly from the night that Bowie told the EMI crew "Yeah thanks for your party but I'm going to see my favorite singer" so they all tagged along and that led to her signing eventually and etc. Per Rob Sheffield's story in RS, Ron Wood and the three of them apparently just took over a hotel piano and did Motown covers the rest of the night while getting sloshed. How to live, if you ask me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 May 2023 15:19 (one week ago) link

Holy shit

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 25 May 2023 15:21 (one week ago) link

Yeah, typical masterful Bowie PR tactics at work.

bendy: in my obit I mentioned a couple other Tina-written numbers. I'm fond of this one:


the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 May 2023 15:29 (one week ago) link

I love this line Sheffield quotes from Debby Miller's Private Dancer review: "Last year, I heard Tina Turner sing that awful Terry Jacks song ‘Seasons in the Sun’ on television, and she found something in it that broke her heart. Imagine her doing the same thing to good songs.”

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 May 2023 15:34 (one week ago) link

That did of course start out as a decent song before somebody translated it mawkishly.

Stevo, Thursday, 25 May 2023 15:51 (one week ago) link

I got a really good 2cd of Brel on something like Primo a few years ago that i got into quite heavily at the time.

Stevo, Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:20 (one week ago) link

Did anyone really have anything bad to say about Tina Turner?

I remember, in the 80s, that her performing in apartheid-era South Africa was controversial enough for them to ask her about it in a TV interview.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:02 (one week ago) link

Pete Townshend:


“Sad to hear we have lost Tina Turner. She had been ill for a long time, and struggling to stay in touch with old friends. She will have some peace now.

An astonishing performer, and astounding singer, she was also an R&B groundbreaker. We don’t want to say too much about Ike Turner – her abusive husband – but her early records with him were simply out of this world. She always took flight when she worked with him, leaving him like a fifth wheel, chipping away at his basic riffs. When she was finally free of him her work ascended to new, even higher heights. It didn’t seem possible.

If you ever had the privilege of seeing Tina perform live you will know how utterly scary she could be. She was an immense presence. A female Little Richard. She seemed like a giant: shaking, sexual, physical and stunningly beautiful. In the flesh she was fragile, vulnerable and a truly sweet and empathetic person.

She was of course my Acid Queen in the Tommy movie, and it is often my job to sing that song with The Who, so she always comes into my mind. It isn’t easy to deal with. The song is about abuse at the hands of an evil woman. How she turned that song on its head! All the anger of her years as a victim exploded into fire and bluster and a magnificent and crazy cameo role that will always stay with me.

She has been in my mind for the last ten years, I kept meaning to track her down, and see how she was. I truly thought she would live forever.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:15 (one week ago) link

The South African show was before Private Dancer, which is not to let her off the hook.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 May 2023 18:49 (one week ago) link

Always wondered why she recorded so little after the 80’s

beamish13, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:13 (one week ago) link

Pretty amazing even aside from obv. context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCm99rKA28

dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:14 (one week ago) link

During the blog days I downloaded her country album -- it's no hidden classic but it deserves recognition and absolutely needs to be written about.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:14 (one week ago) link

Haven't heard that!
xpost May not be the best take of this from the vast post break-up spills, but close enough (& omg Bill Withers strikes again)

dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:16 (one week ago) link

The South African show was before Private Dancer, which is not to let her off the hook.

I suspect there were unscrupulous promoters for Sun City who misled many of the acts regarding the true nature of the situation (e.g., that Sun City being in Bophuthatswana meant it wasn’t “technically” part of South Africa, so performing there didn’t violate the boycott). I wouldn’t be surprised if Tina Turner had essentially been tricked into the gig, or at least that the truth about the situation in South Africa, as it relates to performing there, was kept from her.

(To be removed from the UN blacklist, an artist had to issue an apology and refuse to return to South Africa. The O’Jays did, and were apparently deeply embarrassed about the situation. I’m not aware of any others who made an apology. Linda Ronstadt made a point of refusing to do so.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:25 (one week ago) link

xps Don't forget, she more or less retired from recording and performing in 2000 after she had enough of showbiz and came back only for a 50th anniversary tour before retiring again. I think she just had enough - she was in her 50's by the time the '90s rolled around and she toured relentlessly since she was 20. She already recorded a LOT of records, and I think as the '90s wore own, she started winding down. I don't think she really lived both comfortably and happily in luxury until the mid '80s (she was still paying off massive debts for a few years after her own breakthrough) so it kind of makes sense if she wanted have more time off for herself.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:31 (one week ago) link

okay so there's no good way to do this other than acknowledging he was a fucking monster, but I think Townsend's framing here:

"She always took flight when she worked with him, leaving him like a fifth wheel, chipping away at his basic riffs."

is pretty bogus. Ike was a great guitarist, an arranger, session musician. you could argue "Rocket 88" is the ur-text for rock n' roll, a full four years before Chuck Berry releases "Maybelline". His ratty almost proto-punk tone on stuff like "Nutbush City Limits" is striking today. Those Ike & Tina records sound great, even as you have to acknowledge the suffering that went into them.

True. Ike Turner is exhibit A when it comes to great talents who are exactly the opposite of what we would hope they would be in their personal lives. In terms of the records he made without Tina, I have Rhythm Rockin' Blues from Ace (a collection of Modern recordings he was involved with) and Trailblazer from Charly (a collection of Federal recordings). The latter probably features his best work, particularly for the guitar playing - it's the closest thing to the 1976 Red Lighting' compilation I'm Tore Up on CD, an LP Robert Palmer highly recommended in Deep Blues. I also have the 1993 Cobra Records box set where he plays on a lot of tracks and has some credited to him and his band. Nearly all of these recordings feature a lot of different singers fronting them, all before Tina.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:13 (one week ago) link

One thing that's frightening about Ike is when I first saw him on a PBS special on Sun Records. He was interviewed with Sam Phillips and there was no mention of his wrongdoings, just his involvement at Sun (which took me by surprise - I didn't know or forgot that "Rocket '88" among others was recorded there). He was actually jovial and turned on the charm. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was an all right guy who may be a lot of fun. To be honest, I'm sure that's why he was able to abuse so many women - if he didn't have any charisma, I don't think he could've drawn so many under his influence and manipulate them the way he did. It's not until I saw his other TV interviews (check for Arsenio Hall and I think Whoopi Goldberg on YouTube) that he revealed himself to be an unrepentant shit. Not an iota of remorse when he was questioned about his past.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:20 (one week ago) link

The take of "Use Me" I have (somewhere) is on the apparently legit comp Golden Empire, with the Pre (?)-Princely/totally I & T title track and other analog funktronic support, incl. a bit of pleasingly primitive synth (or something), going good w guitar & voc; some of these were demos for the Stones, according to liners

dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:24 (one week ago) link

you could argue "Rocket 88" is the ur-text for rock n' roll, a full four years before Chuck Berry releases "Maybelline".

If you haven’t already checked this out, I highly recommend it: https://500songs.com/podcast/rocket-88-by-jackie-brenston-and-the-delta-cats/

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:38 (one week ago) link

it’s a natural digression so i’m not saying don’t talk about him ever… but if there is to be extended deep diving into him then i’d appreciate if you could do that on another thread (there’s at least three or more)

Tina is not synonymous with Ike and hasn’t been for 40 years and i want to make sure that boundary is clear to everyone ITT

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:45 (one week ago) link

FWIW, even if Ike wasn't such a monstrous shit, there was still something missing about his overall body of work - maybe a lack of artistic vision, but it says a lot that once Tina came into the picture, she seemed to remedy the problem to a certain extent, and you really see what she had when she found success with other collaborators. It's probably a good basis for an entire book, how the right singer fronting the band isn't necessarily just a voice or an interpreter for someone else's songs. I think that's partly why someone like Rod Stewart had such tremendous respect for Tina, because he knew what she was bringing besides her voice and stage presence.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:47 (one week ago) link

Sounds right, thx
btw xpost

and other analog funktronic support
***for her***

dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:51 (one week ago) link

Are: Tina in the 2000s

She cut a handful of tracks for hits collections, but mainly stuck to touring occasionally and working in Vegas. Her 2009/10 tour was pitched as a farewell. She had a major stroke in 2013, which she a few years recovering from.

i also love love love her cover of Help
she does it in the style of the John Farnham version from 1980 (which i also love) and wow talk about taking you to church


Wow, I saw the documentary but somehow missed or forgot about this.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:47 (one week ago) link

VG - totally understood, apologies for the digression I think there something about Townsend's dismissiveness of R&B playing as basic that rankled me but as you said it's not the time

Ike was a horrible person who was a marvelous producer. We talk about his guitar -- what about his Moog touches? Wonderful.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:52 (one week ago) link

Townsend's dismissiveness of R&B playing as basic

Not to drag this out, but Townshend absolutely revered Jimmy Reed and Steve Cropper. And I think what he said about Ike was primarily“this is neither the time nor place to discuss him.”

(Apologies for the “Yeah! Stop replying-all, everyone!” but I just thought that point needed clarifying.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:58 (one week ago) link

Re Tina playing South Africa, had a vague memory of this from reading I Tina for a college class and if I recall correctly the South Africa tour was right after divorce when Tina was saddled with all the debts to promoters, IRS etc and supporting 4 kids and taking any job she could get.

She later described herself as naive about the South Africa situation - knowing it was segregated but feeling ‘well I grew up in a segregated country, and the shows are integrated, not white only’ and she later turned down offers from Sun City and other gigs and apologized.

OK, google tells me shows were in 79 and knew Dusty Springfield was deported from South Africa in 64 for insisting her shows be integrated, and I just found out Gram Parsons quit the Byrds in 68 rather than play in South Africa so there were def. people who were aware enuf but others continued to play even after the UN Cultural Boycott came into effect in 1980.

(Side note, my passport growing up had a stamp in it - good for all countries except South Africa - and the first Olympics old enuf to remember watching ’76 Montreal was boycotted by most African countries to protest New Zealand’s participation as they were breaking the sports boycott with the All Blacks playing in South Africa)

Reason I’d originally come back to thread was I found myself oddly moved yesterday when looking at the Martyn Ware twitter thread Ned had posted above.

He’d been happily posting about football and going to Wembley, then posted “Tina’s gone” and then there was an hour gap before next post when he paid tribute to her. It just felt like he saw the news, had to say something and then gather himself before writing a statement.

H in Addis, Friday, 26 May 2023 08:42 (one week ago) link


I have a story about Tina Turner. I worked for CBS News in the 1990s, and one assignment I had at "60 Minutes" was to watch old raw (unedited) interview footage, for some reason I can't recall. So I watched the raw footage of a 1996 Mike Wallace interview with Tina Turner.

— Leslie Molson (@lesliemolson) May 25, 2023

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 May 2023 10:48 (one week ago) link


xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 May 2023 11:01 (one week ago) link


Lizzo. Did. That.

That’s a fucking tribute. 💜pic.twitter.com/6FAAf9M9Ft

— LoLo Vonz (@LoLoVonz) May 26, 2023

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 26 May 2023 19:53 (one week ago) link

Sirius/XM's Soul Town channel #49 is all-Tina for at least today!

Sirius/XM is also free this weekend for curious how listeners.

They just played this Bowie-penned number:


^^"Girls", from Break Every Rule

That Lizzo clip is amazing.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 May 2023 21:06 (one week ago) link

TIL that Ike & Tina borrowed half of their "Proud Mary" arrangement from the Checkmates Ltd.


as C grisso mentioned, Soultown on sirius XM, which is ostensibly concerned with the soul diaspora from, say, 1961-1975, has been the Tina channel since saturday. I've heard "A Fool in Love" twice, a very clearly not 1963 recorded remake of "It's Gonna Work Out fine," "Nutbush City Limits" (i do love that moog break) each once, and "Proud Mary" and "River Deep" not once… the overwhelming majority played is the Private Dancer and post-Private dancer music… and since I never fucked with her 90s shit, hearing whatever song she does with Barry White is a treat! as is her version of "Unfinished Sympathy"… but its giving me the impression that, unlike peers like Aretha, before P.D., she doesn't have a lot of hugely enduring hits…like, have normies who like soul/R&B ever heard "A Fool In love?" or is it like expecting said normies to know "Rocket 88"? It appears that before P.D., her legacy rests on her live show, where she would do Stones covers or whatever songs happened to be big that she could do nice andf rough… what other songs did she do prior to PD other than the five I mention above could someone interested in R&B in the 1960s reasonably be expected to know?

and when I hear "The best" or "Steamy Windows," it makes me think that she must have had access to the same pool of songs and songwriters that Cher had in the late 80s… I can hear Tina doing ""heart of Stone" or " I Found Someone," same production ethic, same everything, really…

veronica moser, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 18:53 (two days ago) link

Ace of Base's "Don't Turn Around" was written for and performed by Tina.

Re your original point: no, she was never in the U.S. a major crossover artist other than the exceptions.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 18:56 (two days ago) link

She is NOT Aretha.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 18:56 (two days ago) link

this is wild and awesome

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

there's a special place in my heart for tina turner singing "gonna give you every inch of my dick"

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:22 (two days ago) link

wow there are dogshit opinions at the beginning of this thread

saw a cool post on facebook, paraphrasing:

the jist was "Nutbush City Limits" was a big hit in Australia the year that AC/DC formed. It was also apparently the first song they asked Brian Johnson to sing during his audition for the band. Listening through that lens the influence is very apparent especially in the guitar riff/tone...Johnson is such a dude I wouldn't think Tina until now but I could definitely see her influence on him.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:32 (two days ago) link

hadn't heard this one before:

Tina Turner - Unfinished Sympathy (Extended Olympic Mix)

rincton monkspoon (NickB), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:51 (two days ago) link

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