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One of the great lost bands? Classic Or Dud? Search & Destroy etc

Gringo, Saturday, 17 May 2003 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Picked up that box set that came out for a ridiculous $15 or something used -- figured for that price I could/should give it a chance. And it was pretty good -- sorta like them and Enuff Z'Nuff were weird twin brother bands with the same metaseventies-via-Beatles dreams somehow but Jellyfish were the ones with more (self-defined) artistic goals. Though Enuff Z'Nuff lasted longer in the end...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 May 2003 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Too melodic.

Geir Funkro, Sunday, 18 May 2003 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Near classic, although the members who went on to form The Grays did a better job (and Jason Faulkner's solo albums aren't too terrible).

Paul Cox (paul cox), Sunday, 18 May 2003 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link

when i lived in LA, i had a really cute scenester friend who was in love with Jason Faulkner. when she was out at a bar with him, and really drunk, i think she either said, "I want to know what you taste like" or "I want to fuck you in the mouth"

haha, my kinda girl

JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 18 May 2003 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Jellyfish's second album was rilly good*, and Jason Falkner's first solo album was rilly good, and the one Grays album was OK.

*for the playing and production; the lyrics and vocals were sorta bad.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Also search: Falkner's cover of "Do Ya."

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

and yeah, he's QUITE the k-rowr:

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I have the Imperial Drag album, and it's pretty good. I used to play "Are You a Boy or a Girl" when I used to dj. Has anyone else heard this?

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 18 May 2003 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not so into the Imperial Drag record; it's just not songy enough.

But this thread inspired me to dig out the Merrymakers' Bubblegun (a great little Swedish power-glop album from 1997, produced by Jellyfish's Andy Sturmer). It's held up better than I thought it would; I thought the mid-'90s corporate-alternative production was a bit hard to stomach at the time, even though I liked the band.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

(Jody I knew you'd have it)

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 18 May 2003 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I just put on Spilt Milk. I find Sturmer's voice a little boybandy, but I don't mind it if I recontextualize Jellyfish as a boyband making really ace proggy Beatles-pop.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, and there's even a song on here called "Bye Bye Bye"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 03:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Search - a hyper-goofy B-side called Ignorance Is Bliss that's about Mario Bros. Oh, and New Mistake. That's a practically perfect song.

Kim (Kim), Sunday, 18 May 2003 05:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Search this at least: Andy Sturmer has written and produced much of Puffy's output since 1999 or so, from (I think) the "Ta Ra Ra Ran" single onwards. It certainly helps to give them that almost-indie western-sounding song structure that sets them apart from other J-pop.

darren (darren), Sunday, 18 May 2003 11:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"spilt milk" is the bomb. one problem: andy sturmer has a nice voice, but why does he have to enunciate so precisely? jellyfish lyrics give me headaches. what the heck does "the ghost at number 1" mean? "sebrina paste & plato?"

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 18 May 2003 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
im listening to "New Mistake" now, I still like it.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow. It's a year later and we're still talking about Jellyfish.

I think "The Ghost at Number 1" was all about how pathetic it is to over-idolise rock stars just because they're dead.

"Sabrina Paste & Plato" was just about high school lurrve.

Agreed - search for "Ignorance is Bliss" - it's the anti-Mario song.

And "Bellybutton" was a great boyband / powerpop album.

Neil Street (Herbie 4000), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I really love that boxed set.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm really surprised there isn't more love for Jellyfish—Harry Nilsson's favorite band when he died—here on the ILM...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i adore spilt milk! i remember i got into the band because WHTG in new jersey [which is what i listened to when i wasnt checking out WPRB] played "he's my best friend" all the time. ditto for paul weller and matthew sweet.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link

There we go. I knew I could rely on you, Maria. Have you heard the box?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

nope but i will check it out!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

"That is Why" was a nice song.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

...and "The Ghost at Number One" is a brilliant one.

Which reminds me: a friend of mine just asked me if the whole Spilt Milk record was written from the perspective of a ten year-old girl. I told him that since "New Mistake" was about loving the kid you didn't mean to have in the first place, I didn't think so. But...maybe it was. Anyone know?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

The video for "The King Is Half-Undressed" was pretty far out for my high school mind; picked up the record and dug it, even (especially?) the sappy ballad "I Wanna Stay Home". "Baby's Coming Back" has some nice pop staying power. For some reason I couldn't ever stand Spilt Milk, except for the single "Glutton of Sympathy".

What was with that weird early 90s pop-psych revival thing? World Party, the first Lenny Kravitz record, Jellyfish. For the most part it's a sound that hasn't dated well...nor has the clothing, cf. the cover of Bellybutton, which'll remind you of what it was like at the first Lollapalooza (cat in the hat hats, etc)

dyngus Tatis (aarana), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

The singer in Jellyfish sounds too much like Richard Marx.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link


Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Well I've been subscribed to the Jellyfish mailing list for the last 8 years so you'll get no argument from me as to their classic status. Two great albums and if you like those then the box set is well worth it though i would guess hard to find now. Great live also, sounded really impressive and could hit all those harmonies.

A lot of great related records - Umajets, Falkner solo, Moog Cookbook, Imperial Drag also worth checking out and of course Roger Manning has played keys for everyone (incl. Johhny Cash and the last Morrissey record). It's just a shame that Sturmer has been writing for others - Puffy, Brady Seals etc rather than doing something himself. Apparently he's just not interested in it.

mms (mms), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link

if the whole Spilt Milk record was written from the perspective of a ten year-old girl

I'm starting to think that the title Spilt Milk refers to the accident that produced the New Mistake and the rest of the album consists on the implications of it on everyone in its sphere, including the child herself.

But the album, while nearly classic, is nowhere near the gorgeosity of the Bellybutton album, and I give all the love in the world to "Baby's Comin' Back," which is in my someday-wedding mix.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link

It's interesting -- I think there are just some people who hear knowing, metapoppy, wink-wink music like Jellyfish and find it thrilling, almost the way jazz fans would appreciate a great player brilliantly navigating chord changes. And like jazz, there are some (many, even) who just find the whole thing obnoxious and/or boring. There's definitely a sense of inside baseball.

I can't remember what they said about it in the box liners, but I would imagine that Nilsson's endorsement meant a lot to them.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I have "Spilt Milk" and I like it, mostly. A bit Queen-y for me at times, maybe. My fave by far is "Russian Hill," a gorgeous song, and I also like "Joining a Fan Club." Just very musical at their best.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

But, my god, they were shitty dressers -- in that inimitable early '90s way.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

So were The Posies, Alfred, and, well, everyone else from the West Coast in the early '90s.

And Edd, for me the Queen thing is part of their appeal. And you see: I HATE QUEEN.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Anybody got the Logans Sanctuary record that Manning did a few years back?I found it second-hand last week. Falkner plays guitar and sings on one song. Its not bad, Keyboard wank in parts but some of its almost funky, which Jellyfish never were, for all their virtues.
Bellybutton>Spilt Milk, btw.

David N (David N.), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I give all the love in the world to "Baby's Comin' Back," which is in my someday-wedding mix.

Better that than "I Wanna Stay Home", that's for sure...

Also, Falkner and Manning's TV Eyes synthpop band is really fun. Great songs, terrific arrangements -- alas, no record deal that I know of...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, maybe it's not exactly Queen-esque. I don't mind that one Queen album "Sheer Heart Attack," it's all right. anyway, what I most like about JF is the Jimmy Webb-ness of it all, I suppose, which is why I think "Russian Hill" is the best thing they ever did.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Queen are an abomination -- which is precisely what makes Jellyfish's appropriation of them on Spilt Milk so genius...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, and here's a video for Falkner's TV Eyes:

I think Jody Beth might like this'n...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

new falkner rekkid this spring.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Jellyfish is the best band in the world ever. Ever.

John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 07:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Didn't know that Nilsson had said he liked them although they did a really good cover of Think About Your Troubles from The Point on a Nilsson tribute record so maybe it came off the back of that.

Some of the TV Eyes stuff is really good and by all accounts the couple of live shows they did were really cool with synced projections behind them whilst they were playing. I just think they might have missed the boat in terms of the songs since they have that kind of 80's electro thing going on that The Killers and so on have picked up on. It would have been perfect timing had they released it when it was first recorded (must be at least 3/4 years ago now). Hopefully someone will pick it up and I know they were remixing the record again so fingers crossed.

Also if you go here Roger Manning has a solo album though alas no deal yet for a CD release. He also has a website here htpp://

mms (mms), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I just dl'd that Manning record this morning — it's incredible, actually.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link


John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link

recently picked up that imperial drag album. not made it to the end yet. love LOVE track 2 though. will deffo dig it out for tomorrow.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link

new falkner rekkid this spring

say more plz

caspar (caspar), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link

and god damn what is wrong with that Weed Share site. Do they not want anyone to listen to music, ever again? Roger, I'm sorry for owning a Mac. I hate the fact that artists have been forced into being platform advocates, I doubt the guy gives a shit. Anyway, is it good? Should I find my old Dell laptop to listen to his music? What a disgusting sentence that was.

caspar (caspar), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Also on that weedshare site are 34 Imperial Drag demos. Basically everything they had on their one album and a whole lot more. Well worth listening to if you liked that record.

There has been noises about a Mac version of that weed stuff but there's nothing available yet.

The Manning record is good, my fave is What You Don't Know About The Girl. But then I'm a sucker for a one man band pop record.

mms (mms), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link

The Manning record is good, my fave is What You Don't Know About The Girl. But then I'm a sucker for a one man band pop record.

Holy christ, yes. That song is like some piece of long lost AOR genius. When it comes to this sort of thing—melodic, hyper-arranged, metapop—Manning's really in a class of his own. It's kind of exciting, really.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I, too, really liked Spilt Milk, all the while enduring a "wait, I HATE Queen" dissonance.

OUt of pure procrastination, I just read Manning's history of the Moog Cookbook on his website, it's like, such a sweet, positive thing.

I've never heard them tho.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd agree with all that.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link

And so Matt learns the pitfalls of Debate 101: never state as fact an assumption, no matter how certain you may be.

In this instance that assumption was my belief that Jellyfish's motivation for adopting the Queen thing on Spilt Milk was via the Beach Boys. Frankly, I have no idea if that's true, since I don't believe they ever discussed it publicly.

But given that any debt to Queen is nigh impossible to detect on their debut, it's hard to argue that they were so much as an influence, to say nothing of a primary influence.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i have Beatnik Beach (was that the pre-Jelly band? It was something like that) on a cassette around here someplace, along with some other demo-y stuff from 80s Jelly playas.

And the way Ira Robbins savages Jellyfish in the Trouser Press book is pretty classic. Even though he was wrong, wrong, wrong.

Also, check out the first two Brendan Benson records, who are very Falkner-esque and in the same vein as Jellyfish (which is logical given Falkner's involvement in the writing and production.)

check out the Falkner fan site for more details on the new album.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, Beatnik Beatch were the pre Jellyfish band that Roger and Andy were in. There are a couple of Jelly b-sides Watching The Rain and Worthless Heart that were originally Beatnik Beatch songs. Not much cop compared to what they did after.

It's actually amazing to think of the number of records that the Jelly guys have had their fingers in over the years from Johnny Cash, Morrissey, Alice Cooper, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Puffy, Merrymakers, Brendan Benson, Magnet, Grays, Travis, Umajets, Moog Cookbook, Air, Brady Seals etc etc. Amazing.

mms (mms), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link

But you only need to hear their debut, Bellybutton, to know they don't "owe their very existence" to any one band.

You have a totally valid point. I should have limited my opinions to Spilt Milk. Ironically, I was a HUGE Jellyfish fan back in high school. The "King is Half Undressed" video blew my mind, and I listened to both Bellybutton and Spilt Milk (as cassettes) religiously. I even owned several 12"'s. They did a great live version of "Jet".

My criticism is harsh because I recently listened to BellyButton, and I was bummed out. I honestly thought it sounded a little too close to Richard Marx at times. I wish it was just a bit stranger. As for Spilt Milk, which is stranger and much better, I actually never heard A Night at the Opera until years after my Jellyfish phase, and when I finally did hear it, I seriously thought I was listening to the "real" Spilt Milk. (I know you are cringing at that statement!)

But, for what it's worth, I did spend alot of hours during my teens thinking about girls while Bellybutton was on my stereo (and Material Issue!)

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link

What the fuck? Haven't I been in this thread before?


Search everything apart from their greatest hits compilation. The only reason for destroying the latter is that it contains nothing crucial that isn't already on those two flawless albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Btw. whether or not you count Queen as a crucial influence I think depends on which album you prefer. There seems to be a lot of love here for "Spilt Milk", which is an excellent album IMO, and certainly heavily influenced by Queen.

However, their best work was "Bellybutton", which is more of a Beatles/Beach Boys/Byrds/Badfinger/Crowded House classic powerpop effort, only with somewhat less power and more pop than for instance Big Star.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i got that manning record for the Holidays from a windows-owning brother! It is very, very good. The lyrics are a bit earnest but that's my personal non-preference to deal with. Highly recommended if you like the brion/falkner/penn axis.

caspar (caspar), Thursday, 5 January 2006 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Baht Yolk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

the 2008 Manning record catnip dynamite is (another) pretty awesome i'd say. shame to ignore him/it.

Zeno, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

Listening to said Catnip Dynamite album right now. "Down in Front" is essentially a dual tribute to cheap-and-cheery UK glam *and* Denim's revisiting of same.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 20:35 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

I basically ignored them b/c of those stupid hats and their record covers...

john. a resident of chicago., Friday, 7 October 2011 02:19 (eight years ago) link

The big problem I have with Manning's recent solo albums is that every track seems to have either lack of editing or bad songwriting. It's like he got so excited about coming up with a good hook ("Wish It Would Rain", "Creeple People", "You Were Right") that he couldn't help but stretch the track out into a 5+ minute rhapsody, while the snappiest songs tend to have weak choruses ("The Loser", "What You Don't Know About the Girl"). Then there are the tracks that are in all around bad taste ("Dragonfly", "Til We Meet Again"). But at least most of Solid State Warrior/Land of Pure Imagination is memorable, unlike most of Catnip Dynamite.

Meanwhile Falkner's stuff is unimpeachable. TV Eyes is really fun - pretty mindblowing first listen if you are expecting something in the Jellyfish/power pop vein.

skip, Friday, 7 October 2011 03:51 (eight years ago) link

xp, i think their stupid hats contributed to their position as my least favourite band when i was ten years old.

I've never really appreciated Jellyfish for more than their obvious craft but Andy Sturmer's work with Puffy stands as some of the best pop music of our generation.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Friday, 7 October 2011 07:28 (eight years ago) link

Classic, imo. Spilt Milk has something ridiculous like a 6 song unfuckablewith run.

I know what you mean about Manning's album - once the shock wears off that it kinda sounds like a lost Bruce Johnston solo record, the songs aren't there. I'll say that What You Don't Know and Wish It Would Rain are the standouts, tho

I'm not going leftfield on you... (hypehat), Friday, 7 October 2011 09:20 (eight years ago) link

God, just seeing this thread title has got "Joining a Fan Club" stuck in my head.

piper at the goats of j0hn (rustic italian flatbread), Friday, 7 October 2011 12:44 (eight years ago) link

great video!

skip, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:37 (eight years ago) link

I listen to "Glutton of Sympathy" when my hutch is being cleaned and I'm rolling around in my bunny ball. I replace the word "sympathy" with "green frisee."

bunnicula, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:45 (eight years ago) link

ten months pass...

So has anyone heard the new live album yet?

skip, Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:59 (seven years ago) link

I wonder what the chance these guys ever reform is.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:40 (seven years ago) link

fuckin a, retro 90s album cover

doin it right imo.

how's life, Thursday, 30 August 2012 18:42 (seven years ago) link

I remember buying Spilt Milk in the mid-90s and thinking that I should like this, but I don't. At all.

Poliopolice, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:28 (seven years ago) link

I like a lot of Spilt Milk, although I don't own it anymore for some reason. Jellyfish is one of those bands where I presumably don't have a lot of the reference points for though. I wonder if I knew more power-pop and Queen or whatever, if I'd like them as much.

how's life, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:33 (seven years ago) link

I dunno, you either embrace the cheese or you don't.

skip, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:40 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

a little over a week ago, I was in this record store in Knoxville and asking the owner for recommendations for "really ornate studio-as-instrument stuff - I'm going through a bigtime Van Dyke Parks/Brian Wilson/etc phase right now." he IMMEDIATELY asks me if I've heard Spilt Milk, I say "no, never heard of it." he starts cackling, jogs over to the only copy he has left, drops it on the stereo without saying a word, cues it up to "Bye Bye Bye," and presses play. I made it about a minute before literally shrieking "PLEASE SELL ME THIS RECORD."

I have now listened to the rest of it and fuck he was right. how in the hell did this record exist for 21 years without me knowing about it?

a duiving caTCH, a stuolllen bayeeeess (jamescobo), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 02:47 (five years ago) link

As there's supposed to be reissues in a month, he could have at least told you THAT.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 02:48 (five years ago) link

Yep, Spilt Milk is kind of a masterclass in Pet Sounds/Sgt Pepper-esque baroque pop. However, imo one of the things it demonstrates is how you can make a record like that, and not really be popular. I think the "Ghost at Number One" is actually about that! (haha, "Mrs. Lynn, the fruit of your labor")

Dominique, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 02:54 (five years ago) link

my copy is green and didn't actually cost that much. plus I have it NOW.

seriously, I went through a MASSIVE Jon Brion phase a couple of years ago when his mix of Extraordinary Machine hit the internet; I am stunned that this album managed to slip under my radar during that period.

a duiving caTCH, a stuolllen bayeeeess (jamescobo), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 03:01 (five years ago) link

spilt milk is one of my top 5 records of the '90s.

the pursuit of ha'pennies (get bent), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 03:02 (five years ago) link

What does Tim Ellison think of this band?

You Never Even POLL Me By My Screenname (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 03:17 (five years ago) link

Definitely hearing a Nilsson influence, even before I scrolled upthread and saw his name.

You Never Even POLL Me By My Screenname (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 03:26 (five years ago) link

Guess I can hear the Queen too, sort of, although I would have said Queen by way of The Darkness, if that wasn't chronologically impossible.

You Never Even POLL Me By My Screenname (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 03:29 (five years ago) link

album is some kind of awesome charming miracle imo

ale burphard iii (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 03:44 (five years ago) link

one of the best ever

maura, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:26 (five years ago) link

was thinking, man, i think there are better examples of the album's baroque greatness than "bye bye bye" to spin in store, so i listened to it and shit, i think there are tuba, accordion, banjo, and clarinet all playing together there in a rock era pop song, so... nope, that pretty much makes his point.

relistening to all is forgiven, it's really much better sounding than i remember.

ale burphard iii (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 15:34 (five years ago) link

Joining a Fanclub box is ace if you're a nerd for demos of this kinda thing. If you needed any evidence that Roger Manning is a genius, there you go...

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 11 April 2014 14:18 (five years ago) link

holy crap this album is amazing
i instinctively ignored the hell out of these guys from jump. This is NOT what i expected them to sound like.

The twinkling straussian celeste at the outset was jon lewis bait in excelsis.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 April 2014 20:56 (five years ago) link

The coda on New Mistake is the best thing ever. Perfect song/album.

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 11 April 2014 21:31 (five years ago) link

No love for Glutton of Sympathy? That song is a national treasure.

r. bean (soda), Saturday, 12 April 2014 01:51 (five years ago) link

Of course

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Saturday, 12 April 2014 02:10 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

There is a book out about Jellyfish now, but apparently it's not really in large retailers. I heard about this when Dean Delray interviewed Roger Joseph Manning Jr. last month, but forgot about it until now.

how's life, Thursday, 10 November 2016 15:40 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

How in the hell did I manage to avoid Ignorance is Bliss until now?

White Knuckle Scorin'! This is insane!

how's life, Friday, 3 November 2017 14:49 (one year ago) link

Ignorance is Bliss is how I first became aware of Jellyfish, which led me to look into their other stuff.

MarkoP, Friday, 3 November 2017 14:56 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

i never listened to imperial drag until today. it's good, better than i had expected. by the time it hit the salvation army band song, i was surprised at the ground they were willing to cover. don't love the singer's voice much but it feels very of its time, fwiw. it's less how he does it, more that he can't do too much.

Hunt3r, Monday, 4 February 2019 17:52 (eight months ago) link

ps- imperial drag is meh+ not so very good

but surprisingly to me, tv eyes is fucking fun as hell, how could something like broken bells be successful and this missed in 2003, in 2006, and again whenever it was re-re-released in like 2014. Even with characteristic falkner vox which i find a bit flat feeling, this is great.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 10 February 2019 02:33 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

Manitobiloba (Kim), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:05 (one month ago) link

loved that. too bad it wasnt about the better album.

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:45 (one month ago) link

exxxxxactly. and even on a production basis?? not smart enuf to say really, but from an arrangements pov it must be so. Also was he referring to sam phillips? she’s from usa, but totally from that proto froom, attractions school in _indescribable wow_ which is AWESOME imo.

liked this a lot thx, but i’m not good enuf to get a lot of it.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:55 (one month ago) link

on that channel theres another 1.5 hours of him talking about other production stuff

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:02 (one month ago) link

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