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classic and sadly neglected no wave trio from NY. Griller is a terrific blast of a record. I also have half of theit live record and that's so brilliant it hurts.

(maybe the best thing in that no wave primer in the wire was a pic of ut)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I have (and like) "Conviction" and that double 12". I sold off "Griller" a long time ago; to me it sounded repressively flat.

mosurock (mosurock), Sunday, 11 May 2003 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

well griller it is more 'conventional' and it did take a while to grow on me but its definetely a good one.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 11 May 2003 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to have In Gut's House but sold it ages ago. Not bad, just didn't stick with me.

hstencil, Sunday, 11 May 2003 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
*revive*

got 'conviction' and 'in gut's house' through slsk and from the one unattentive listen I gave it really good stuff.

really needs a reissue.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i usedta have a UT badge...it was pink, came with their live cassette which i might still have round somewhere

duane, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the first two EPs (Ut & Confidential) as well as the three studio albums. All wonderful, but Griller is probably my favourite. Fucking great band if you ask me, but always really underrated. I saw them a couple of times, once supporting Dinosaur Jr in Leeds IIRC, which was my first encounter with them, and maybe again with the Band of Susans. They were pretty shy, but Jesus, they could really stoke up a racket if they wanted to - lots of clanging and slashing and wailing, more about intensity and texture than anything else. Then after each song, they'd all shuffle round one place and swap instruments, ready to throttle the shit out of something else...

My friends hated them BTW, but what the hell did they know anyway?

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah griller is really great: if anyone has a copy of the live alb and could tape that for me then lets trade plz!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Slightly off-topic here: thinking about Griller again, and I just remembered that Tim Hodgkinson (of Henry Cow) was involved with that album. I think he'd played with Ut earlier than that too. I saw him playing with Kevin Martin's band God about a dozen years ago as well, they did a really noisy gig in London with all these big pounding tribal drums and stuff. And he was doing improv stuff with Lol Coxhill round that time too.

Last time I saw his name in print was on an article he'd done about Siberian ritual and shamanic music that was published in some musicological journal or other. I *must* get round to properly investigating this man, I've got a hunch that there'd be some terrific stuff going on there...

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

My God, just found this re: Hodgkinson...

He made a record with Skullflower - the man's a friggin' champ! The Work sound great too. From 1980:

"For the International Festival of New Music at Reims, this group prepared a set of highly structured instrumental music. But in summer began a process of collective song-writing and the emphasis moved towards rhythm, noise, and the unmuted clash of electric guitars..."

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i think he's on _argon_ (the skullflower record most skullflower fans hate) and _adieu all you judges_ (the skullflower/ramleh split, which runs a close second).

ut is great, i've heard everything except _griller_ and it's all been pretty cool. i do wish they'd reissue it, though.

what about jacqui ham's post-ut group dial? can dial get some love? _infraction_ has to be some of the ugliest basement rock since prime dead c.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

argon isn't too bad (though not their best).

'griller' is also on slsk so if you have it then get to it null.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

NickB - yeah, the Work is great!! Their Slow Crimes disc is the only one I've heard, but it kicks my ass.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
REISSUES! Mute is putting out Griller and In Gut's House in August. I pray for bonus material, even though I have cd-r's of Early Live Life, Conviction, and some other stuff. :D

Parts 1 and 2 of a great recent 3-part interview are now up at Warped Reality, along with several choice mp3s.

An acquaintance recently described Ut as sounding "like Sleater-Kinney if S-K had been a lot more original." I think this does both bands a disservice but there might be a particle of truth in it.

xero (xero), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Warped Reality: http://www.warpedrealitymagazine.com/

xero (xero), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Cool! thanks, xero.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Great news!

For the longest time, I could only hear "Evangelist" (from In A Gut's House) off that Blast First! comp Nothing Short Of Total War, which was all mastered on one track, so I had to fast forward to the track manually to grab it.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

conviction fucking slays

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

It does and then some.

Next we will need a CD of the Gynecologists, Nina Canal's pre-Ut no wave band. Apparently the only extant recording, a live tape recorded by Dan Graham, is in the possession of one T. Moore.

xero (xero), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Are the reissues out? I haven't seen them anywhere?

T. Weiss (Timmy), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Me neither. Didn't know about them til this revive.

I've got Griller & Early Live Life on LP but still need the other stuff.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Eh, I hadn't heard anything about this either. Cool news if it happens.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Oo 'eck, a MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/Ut3girls

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link

AWESOMMMMME

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone who doesn't know the track needs to listen to Canker.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Did these guys actually invent Throwing Muses?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Part three of that interview is up:

http://www.warpedrealitymagazine.com/2006/07/ut_part_three.html

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link

(Bruce Russell reviewed these reissues in wire.)

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

The Mute site gives 3 October as the release date for both reissues. Doesn't look like there'll be any extra material on them.

Anyone who doesn't know the track needs to listen to Canker.

YES. It's on their MySpace page. (Equally awesome from Griller: "Safe Burning" and "Rummy.") ...Their MySpace page describes them as "Indie / Alternative / Grunge." WAHT.

Did these guys actually invent Throwing Muses?

Ha, the same thing has crossed my mind more than once.

(Bruce Russell reviewed these reissues in wire.)

Hm. It's not online, is it?

xero (xero), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Jacqui Ham is putting out a new CD with her band Dial soon as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Cool! Dial's album Infraction (1997) is still available from Forced Exposure. It has been described to me as "noisy ramblings a la Dead C, though w/ a drum machine [...] The first tune sounds like Dead C crossed w/ Big Black." MUST. BUY.

xero (xero), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Curious to hear the new album. I haven't listened to Infraction in a long time.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

That Dial album is nearing completion. Should be on its way soon.

VisaForViolet, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link

sweet. i loved the other ones.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 7 June 2007 02:38 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

OK, that new Dial album, 168k, will be out very shortly. Forced Exposure, Carrot Top, and NYC shops like Sound Fix + Other Music should have copies really soon, if not NOW.

There's a nice review + MP3 over at Marc Masters' NoiseWeek blog and another here.

VisaForViolet, Sunday, 16 September 2007 05:01 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Apparently there was an Ut reunion show in London last week. It was unannounced and only four songs were played (Big Wing, Hotel, Swallow, Confidential) but there are other shows planned.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 05:15 (twelve years ago) link

Now it's leaked that they'll be playing in NY at Issue Project Room as part of something called the Theoretical Music Conference, something organized by David Grubbs.

dan selzer, Saturday, 17 July 2010 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

Wow I missed Elvis's post before - wonder where that happened, I had no idea!

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

It was at a Dial show at the Luminaire, Dial being Jacqui Ham's band.

Look! : http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=4405026&blogId=536728354

A prog venn diagram for you to think about (Matt #2), Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

Link to info on NYC "Theoretical Music Conference" show on November 5th: http://events.myspace.com/Event/5799909/Theoretical-Music-Conference#

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 18 July 2010 00:55 (twelve years ago) link

Really hoping they'll make it out west.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 18 July 2010 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

That Ut live record is still great.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 July 2010 10:30 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.as220.org/images/calendar/UT.jpg

vehemence is mine (Edward III), Thursday, 7 October 2010 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

Also this date:

http://www.issueprojectroom.org/2010/09/26/theoretical-music-concert/

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Thursday, 7 October 2010 21:09 (eleven years ago) link

t/s: ut vs ui

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 7 October 2010 21:16 (eleven years ago) link

vs un

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Thursday, 7 October 2010 21:18 (eleven years ago) link

would even sfj choose ut over ui? obv he'd prefer esg. too bad there will never be a 3tkf reunion.

dan selzer, Thursday, 7 October 2010 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

there are quite a few feuds in this scene that continue to this day

sarahel, Thursday, 7 October 2010 21:22 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI_dD3SMaIg

^ could listen to this forever btw

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Thursday, 7 October 2010 21:27 (eleven years ago) link

there are quite a few feuds in this scene that continue to this day
― sarahel, Thursday, October 7, 2010 9:22 PM

omg, is that ever true...watch your step around one particular member of ut--just wow

iago g., Thursday, 7 October 2010 22:13 (eleven years ago) link

Just pulled out a review I wrote of In Gut's House for the Boston Phoenix in 1988. Haven't listened to the band at all since almost that long, I don't think; pretty sure I used to have the first four records on vinyl (Ut through Gut's House), all of which I mention in the piece, but I sold them decades ago. Anyway, I was clearly fishing for ways to describe what I liked about their music in the review, and didn't have much luck doing it. I compared them to the Raincoats more than anybody else, though there were parts of "I.D." and "Homebleed" that sounded like Eno and Penguin Cafe Orchestra to me. My Gut's House copy was on Blast First, with "10 songs stretched over two 45 RPM EPs" (not sure if that was the only version or not), and I called it "the most affable, least polyrhythmic, least abrasive record Ut have made, and it features their most decipherable songs (that's not saying much). All of which might explain why it's a bit less charming than its predecessors." I thought the one great cut on it was "Mosquito Botticelli," which apparently had lots of dub echo and cut-and-splice, plus double drums and double harmonica parts; called it "outrageously silly," and thought it ranked w/ "Confidential" (from Conviction and the Confidential EP, reminded me of Patti Smith) as their "finest mesh of noises and voices." So there you go.

xhuxk, Thursday, 7 October 2010 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

At their best, there was just something wildly transcendent about Ut as a band and the individual characters involved. My favorite Ut moment is "Safe Burning," the first track on Griller, where Jacqui and Sally both sing and then they're all singing and making noises together at the end. (I think Nina is on there, too.)

timellison, Friday, 8 October 2010 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

New site up:

http://www.utmusic.net/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

Did anyone get along to any of their shows?

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

ask me on tuesday

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Saturday, 6 November 2010 18:02 (eleven years ago) link

ut was great. very... ut-like? weird, playful, caustic, austere. members switched between gtr/bass/drums on almost every song. they did 3 or 4 songs without drums (including "rummy") which was kind of strange. pretty long set, they closed with "sham shack" from the first 12".

talked to nina after the show, asked her about a reissue of conviction and she said they are trying to dig up some backstock of it. sounds like they have returned for the time being and plan to keep doing shows.

about 60 folks showed up, a decent turnout for a rainy monday night in pvd. kind of surprised at the response to their revival, I can't remember that many ut fans running around when they were active in the 80s. they're playing boston tomorrow night.

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

Nice!

members switched between gtr/bass/drums on almost every song.

Yes, they did this both times that I saw them in the 80s too. THink they also had a bloke playing the drums on some of the rockier songs then though iirc. The name Charlie springs to mind.

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

Never seen band members switching in between, ever - sounds fun.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHhnHVrLHgk

^ sounds fucking great

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8-5peQ-toE

^ SHam SHack

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bxnImehvyc

^ Hotel

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

was at that brooklyn show. they were good but they literally took anywhere from 1-5 minutes in between every song. really kinda killed the momentum!

original bgm, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

well, it was their first headlining gig in almost 20 years.

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 21:15 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, I still had a good time. not a diss. just gave things a basement show vibe, which has its charms.

it was pretty disorienting because I couldn't see them at all (stage wasn't elevated) and they didn't really address the audience in between the songs either. I just found out they were switching instruments by reading this thread!

original bgm, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:00 (eleven years ago) link

"^ sounds fucking great"

In total fucking agreement. They need to come to London.

And I need to pay attention when they do.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 12 November 2010 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

If they do come to London pls bump this thread

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 13 November 2010 02:34 (eleven years ago) link

If they come to the west coast pls bump this thread

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 13 November 2010 09:01 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

Remember very well seeing their LPs on the shelves >20 years ago, but never actually heard them; then I bought Griller from the cheapo 2nd hand bin today, and damn this is pretty great!

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 May 2011 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

Is there any authoritative info on how their name is pronounced, btw? Regarding orthography, I see that discogs use all-caps ("UT"), while e.g. Wikipedia and musicbrainz go with "Ut". Silent-H "Hut"? "Oot"? "U.T."?

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 May 2011 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

ut as in kick your butt

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

ut as in gut's house

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:49 (eleven years ago) link

!!!

UT
Friday 23 September
The Lexington, 96-98 Pentonville Road, Islington, N1 9JB

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 16 May 2011 10:42 (eleven years ago) link

!!!

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Monday, 16 May 2011 10:45 (eleven years ago) link

Conviction is a great record; don't sleep on that one...

excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

i almost picked up In Gut's House this weekend, but it was $20 and i didn't know what it sounded like. i knew it was post punk and i think it was on souljazz's new york noise comp, but no one at the store could help me out, so i passed.

jaxon, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:59 (eleven years ago) link

Of the top of my head, I think the track on the soul jazz comp was earlier. In Gut's House is pretty great though I mostly return to two longtime faves...Evangelist and Mosquito Botticelli.

dan selzer, Monday, 16 May 2011 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

UT
Friday 23 September
The Lexington, 96-98 Pentonville Road, Islington, N1 9JB

― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 16 May 2011 Bookmark

No fking way!! *marks calendar*

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 May 2011 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

xp, yeah, the track on New York Noise 2 (if that's the Soul Jazz comp people are referring to) is "Sham Shack," from their 1984 debut EP.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

here's what you missed out on jaxon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONqP2rnCKo

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

I prolly listen to in gut's house and the first EP more than anything else by them

they never made a bad album, or a non-interesting one

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:51 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

so the uk shows are imminent. who's reachin?

brighton show this sunday - cannot wait! listen to 'in gut's house' all the time, so dense & fractured. love the dead c reference upthread.

ennui soundsystem, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 09:09 (ten years ago) link

I'm going to the London show on Friday.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 09:14 (ten years ago) link

I'll be at the Brighton show too. I know that Bruce Russell was a big fan of the band cos I remember he talked about them in a review of the Dial album that he wrote in Opprobrium.

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 09:24 (ten years ago) link

got my eye on Bristol on Saturday but I need transport, also I am going to a cheese festival in the daytime which normally leads to me eating so much cheese I need to lie down all evening

the wrong terry to fuckwit (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 09:37 (ten years ago) link

would love to hear all yr thoughts after yr respective shows. i'm also keen to find a copy of bruce russell's wire review of the ut re-issues.

mencap, being "with cheese" shouldn't stop you going out and having fun like everyone else, but i guess i understand.

ennui soundsystem, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 10:24 (ten years ago) link

I'll be at the Brighton show too. *excited*

Should actually listen to some other stuff aside from In Gut's House on repeat, mind you.

emil.y, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 12:00 (ten years ago) link

I'm trying to free up my diary to get to Bristol.

50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 12:03 (ten years ago) link

I'll be at the Brighton show too. *excited*

Hooray! Their last album, Griller, is on spotify btw (along with In Gut's House):

http://open.spotify.com/album/7GoWZB4mnyBDgod9AAWRBI

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 12:22 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

I really liked Quint, Sally Young's later folky-proggy outfit. Their lp Time Wounds All Heels is pretty god though they may have been better live.

Stevolende, Sunday, 1 July 2012 09:42 (ten years ago) link

I had no idea they'd reformed until I saw this thread. Thought it would have come up somewhere else.

Stevolende, Sunday, 1 July 2012 09:44 (ten years ago) link

Great video Tim, thx

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 1 July 2012 09:46 (ten years ago) link

Makes me crazy and mad that i missed them though!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 1 July 2012 09:47 (ten years ago) link

They were pretty great in Brighton, I will say.

I'd heard of Quint, but never made the connection. Might see if I can find some youtubes.

emil.y, Sunday, 1 July 2012 13:02 (ten years ago) link

six years pass...

From show in Paris earlier in the month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ax_OFb1w4

timellison, Saturday, 27 April 2019 04:51 (three years ago) link

I used to have all of their records. I wish they were available on streaming - it kind of sucks that I can't put tracks of theirs in a mix.

Early stuff is here:

https://utmusic.bandcamp.com

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? (I M Losted), Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:15 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

bought a copy of 'in gut's house' from a guy on discogs marketplace, he included a photocopy of a review penned by none other than mark s!

donna rouge, Friday, 5 August 2022 22:02 (one week ago) link


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