The Sea and Cake: COD/SD etc. etc.

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So I am sitting here in my college radio studio subjecting Ames, IA to all five TSAC albums in a row, so I ask you: classic or dud, search and destroy, and so forth.

Factual reminder for Ned so that he can grouse about John McEntire: he's the drummer for TSAC as well as Tortoise.

Also include for completeness and variety's sake Shrimp Boat, Coctails, band member solo records, etc. (Will also hopefully add to responses to what I fear is a too obscure question.)

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

*grouse* There. What Sea and Cake I have heard I've not minded per se, but they haven't compelled me further. I have taken the claim that Oui would appeal to Laughing Stock fans under advisement, though. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I take it that was Karen's claim? If I made it then I retract it.

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: 'Flat Lay the Water', 'Showboat Angel', 'Parasol', 'Lamonts Lament', 'The Argument', 'The Colony Room'

I got The Biz at the same time as Nassau and ended up listening to it much less, so I don't know which songs to recommend on it. Overall, Nassau is my favorite.

They aren't my favorite band, but none of their work should be destroyed. (Maybe I don't know how to be critical about this kind of music.)

youn, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Only have first TSAC album, which I enjoy but hardly ever listen to. Prefered the same (it seems) schtick on Shrimp Boat's Duende. The Coctails, however, are beyond classic. Search: Waiting For Godot.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't say I know there work, but playing 5 albums in a row by one artist sounds dud to me.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Sea and Cake, like I like - oh, I don't know - parfaits. I never eat parfaits, and they're definitely not substantial enough to sustain me on a daily basis - actually, they're kind of lite and wussy as far as desserts go (sort of like how the Sea and Cake come across to me--not necessarily a bad thing at all), but pleasant. I don't own any of their albums, but from what I've heard, I like _The Fawn_ the most.

Clarke B., Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well lucky for you we are only a .25 kW station, hmm?

(You should try it sometime with some artist you like, it's different.)

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a lot of these answers already. And yes, Karen made said connection, yay.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I forgot to talk about the Coctails. I love everything on the s/t album and 'Postcard' and 'Even Time' on Peel - well, all of it, but those songs especially. With my delayed record buying scheme, I should be able to get The Early Hi-Ball Years the next next time I buy records.

youn, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic! The Biz and Nassau are probably my favorite Sea and Cake albums, respectively, but I listen to all of them regularly. Sam Prekops's guitar solo on "The Biz" is fantastic (I always figured it was Archer till I saw them live), and I'm not usually one to get excited about guitar solos.

Search: Sam's solo disc, Archer Prewitt's In the Sun. Destroy: Archer Prewitt's White Sky.

(Speaking of TSAC shows, I've been to a few, and they always end with "Do Now Fairly Well", which also happens to be the last song on The Fawn. Even when I saw Sam's solo show, he ended with that song. Anyone else notice this? I really like that song, so maybe that's why I remember.)

Aaron, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

See here. Because of this (and the fact that I basically bought 4 of their 5 albums all at the same time) I have trouble searching/destroying etc. I don't think it's just a matter of critical blindness - I like the band quite a bit, but it's not like that. The differences just don't seem to be the kind that engender searching/destroying. Does this make sense?

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic! Great pop-rock group - sometimes they remind me of the Clean or the Chills (big compliment, btw.) McEntire one of the best drummers in the world, really kept the group moving when I saw them at ATP. Not in any sense post-rock despite the Chicago pedigree. Don't think any of their albs are 100% great all the way through - am always mentally compiling my own TSAC comp - but would say that 'Nassau' prob their strongest rec - love the hint of calypso in the some of the tunes. 'Oui' took quite a while to sink in but prob. their best sounding rec so far. The Prekop solo alb produced by O'Rourke also a great summery disc. Also search: 'The C in Cake' by Gastr Del Sol.

Andrew L, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd always heard TSAC described as having undergone the "electronic" revolution Josh disagrees with occurring. Unfortunately, I'm too weak on them to really discuss in depth. I do think that a similar ambiance can make differentiation tricky. However, as TSAC have obviously evolved somehow, it seems possible simply to ask if the earlier or later stuff is better. And indeed Josh, on his blog, did state some preference (as I recall) for a particular period. But with such an overall cohesive body of work, the notion of S&D (which searches for EXCEPTION) seems to be a bit naff. Far better to ask, perhaps, "moving forwards or backwards". Also the existance of The Coctails who are utterly unique and different and Prewitt et al's solo work tends to liven things up. Question for y'all: how in the hell did The Coctails' goofy sound influence TSAC (I hardly hear it at all)? Or did it not?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

here comes the shocker: i actually love a sea and cake song. it's one of the first couple songs from the fawn. i think it's either "the argument" or "the sporting life." it has a great synth hook i could hum to you if you're in the ottawa area. i think i liked "jacking the ball" as well. i'm not sure that anything else has grabbed me very much. i'd never listen to five albums in a row to find out.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I should work up something better about that, because there obviously have been changes that have come at the same time as some more electronic stuff. I just don't like the pat way people point that out, as if it were suddenly scary ELECTRONICS that caused all the changes. I'm not totally happy with how I've explained what I think, there.

Have they gotten better or improved, also possibly not appropriate, is what I am saying, I think, for similar reasons - maybe I'd say the movement has been sideways, if you will.

Have disappointingly never heard Coctails or Shimp boat so cannot comment. Hope to remedy this in near future.

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and re preference: after hearing them all back to back tonight I can't really stand by my relative dissing of Oui. Which makes my preferences among the albums feel even more me-contingent; before tonight I would've said I preferred the first four anyway, which is hardly just a period. But really I like the first (s/t), third (The Biz), and fourth (The Fawn) the best. I still think the others are good, I just don't feel like hearing them as much.

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Is 'The Sea and Cake' the worst band name ever? Or is it only one of the worst band names ever?

the pinefox, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've almost started a S&C thread a couple times, something along the lines of "Bands You Have Many Albums By And Aren't Sure Why." Every once in a while I flip through my collection and see that I own every album except for Oui. I even had the remix thing once (Did you play that in your set, Josh? That always seemed one of the worst of its kind. But I sold it a couple years ago.)

I think I got hooked by a couple of GREAT songs and then picked up the albums when I saw them used. Every album has two or three excellent tracks ("Parasol," "The Argument" "The Sporting Life" "Jacking The Ball") and then a lot that I just don't remember very well. But I'd say they're an intersting band. Very specific mood & sound they conjure. There is a Steely Dan connection, yes? But I like S&C a lot more than Steely Dan.

Mark, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Shrimp Boat were beyond excellent - much rougher and more rock, though, but doing what they did in Chicago at the time was pretty * bold* and really exciting to watch. I think the one I liked most was Duende and, well, this limited edition CD of their experimental early work when they couldn't play all that well. All of their albums are good if you like them, only the other guy (Ian Schneller) is a bit annoying. I was completely obsessed with them - they were extremely fresh.

I like the Sea and Cake as well - as quiet as they can be, there are some very fine melodies in there. When I need to mellow out without switching off my brain, this is the stuff. And as a girl, uh, I always liked Sam Prekop's voice - it's kinda mumbly-sexy.

Kerry Keane, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Pinefox: See Andrew L's "search" on Gastr del Sol's "The C in Cake." Hence the name, which I've always liked.

Sterling: I think it's harder to see the Coctails' influence in retrospect, now that that particular jazz-ish tinge is common to a lot of Chicago stuff. But when the Sea and Cake were getting started, the "Chicago Sound" still meant Urge Overkill or Smashing Pumpkins, making it a lot easier to tie the Coctails' and the Sea and Cake together. Plus you tag them as "goofy," which makes me wonder what period of their material you've heard most: The Early Hi-Ball Years is decidedly goofy, but their later material was a lot more poker-faced.

Sundar: Probably it's "The Sporting Life," which has a much clearer synth hook. "The Argument," I think, is utterly remarkable for its intro, during which McEntire manages to layer in little panned-out touches of organic percussion in much the same way jungle artists use breakbeats.

I should also throw my support behind Prekop's solo record, which is perfect from the cover art on in --- it's surely spent more time playing near me than all the Sea and Cake material combined. Which says a lot, as The Fawn and the self-titled album are personal favorites.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to say that the Coctails played with Shrimp Boat, but I'm not positive on that.

Kerry, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like The Sea and Cake, and think it's a good band name, too. The title "Jacking the Ball" makes me uneasy, though.

Sean, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, though I know nothing about them, or--if it's one guy with expensive recording equipment-- him. We listened to Oui quite a few times on vacation and it made everything exceedingly better. Couldn't tell you a single lyric off the top of my head, though. The second song on Oui has a fantastic drum beat-- what is it: "Take me to the top, yes I'll stop you"?? No, of course it's not, but that's how little I hear whatever the guy's whispering. Darn pretty though. 5 albums? Shit. Haven't heard over half of 'em!

Nude Spock, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dud, the musical equivalent of an academic paper. when i hear them it always sounds to me like the band thinks they are doing me a favor by releasing their music. i saw archer prewitt live, he's a serious musician and he is a dud too.

keith, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

*hrmph* I still think the Poster Children were the best band that fucker McEntire's ever been involved with. So HA!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, but they ARE doing us a favor, keith. They are.

I don't really think your acerbic comment about academic papers is very apt. Academic writers wish they could be this precisely, casually graceful. Well, no. They don't (which is the problem with academic writers).

Josh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorite track on The Biz is 'The Transaction'. It sounds like a love song, but then the fantastic drumming makes it sound Olympian.

Question for y'all: how in the hell did The Coctails' goofy sound influence TSAC (I hardly hear it at all)? Or did it not?

Maybe in 'Escort' - parody of music in a James Bond/spy flick? But then I haven't heard the earlier Coctails, so I don't know if this is what you're on about.

youn, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

*hrmph* I still think the Poster Children were the best band that fucker McEntire's ever been involved with. So HA!

McEntire wasn't in Poster Children. You're thinking of Johnny "Machine" Herndon.

As for The Sea and Cake, no comment.

hstencil, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Yes, Johnny Machine (Herndon) was in Poster Children. John McIntire was in Seam at one point, Tortoise, Smog at one point, S&C, The Red Krayola, the Stycastocats (spelling?), Bastro, and Oily Blood Rag among surly more. Johnny was in Five Style, Tortoise, Mistro Subgum and the Whole at one point, King Kong at one point, Uptighty, Aluminum Group at one point, Poster Children at one point, among others.

Shrimp Boat was a very very great band. A really great moment of music in Chicago. Singular. As good as the records are (see: SPECKLY) they were more of an AMAZING live experience. Sam went on to do S&C and solo record, Ian Schneller went on to do a band called Falstaff and makes guitars under the name Specimen, Dave went on to paint, Eric Clairage (Ian's brother) went on to be the bass player in S&C, and Brad Wood (producer of Liz Phair among many many other records) was the drummer/sax-ist. They had another drummer and additional sax player in their final days but some people dont even count that as

Mark, Thursday, 27 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i like this board, or whatever it is. ive never seen so many people knowing about tsac in one place. i think there are some slight traces of all the splinter bands, ie tortoise, coctails, but mostly shrimp boat. there were some songs on duende that could have almost been on the first self titled tsac album. i dont know whats happening with them as far as the electronics are concerned. it seemed that in '97 all the thrill jockey crew were obsessed with drum machines. they can be heard on the fawn, tnt, as well as the mcentire produced-trans am album surrender to the night. though mcentire continues to use them in current productions like the recent rebecca gates album, they seem to have moved away from that sound in oui. i think on the next they should either go back to the electronics or the rockin like in the biz and nassau. the sound in oui is nice, but not half as good as the old stuff.

jordan, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
In the last couple of months I've been listening to my Sea and Cake a lot more, the first ablum and Nassau in particular. And now I want to hear more. So which one of these is best?

1) Oui
2) Sam Prekop solo
3) Prewitt solo (which album?)

Thanks for any help...

Mark, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesting. The only thing I own by TSAC is 'Two Gentlemen', which I'm guessing isn't representative...

dan, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, Two Gentlemen is not representative at all. They're a smooth pop/rock band, for the most part.

Mark, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

mark, the prekop solo is one of the best records of the 90s. easily.

jess, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed!

Andrew L, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

don't believe the hype ... the sam prekop album seems deliberately obtuse. open close listening the songwriting is weak (but good sounding) and if you heard the album being piped down a disused elevator shaft you'd think it was the perfect fusion between pop and jazz. i think either the saving grace or the damnation of this album is the result of that infernal meddler jim o'rourke ... hard to decide.

the ride out on the last track with strings and funky bass is absolutely, unbelievably sublime though. worth the price of admission for that alone.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody has mentioned Shrimp Boat's album CAVALE, and in specific the song "Small Wonder"? I'd trade that song for The Sea and Cake's entire discography any day. (Although I admit to only owning NASSAU, and not having listened to it for years and years.)

doug, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I disagree with 'Salmon" about the Sam record. I think it is not only some of the best of all of Sam's different bands and closest to 'singer'songwriter' as Sam has ever gotten, but I would think that this is an album jim o'rourke bairly 'touched' musically speaking. It is mostly a straight forward four piece group playing minamally behind Sam. Sure, Jim may have helped with a string section hear and there and maybe a few of those crazy electronic tricks but in comparison to what Sam and Archer have shown on past releases, the 'meddling' seems at a minimum. I think the record is smokin'! Plus when Sam whet on the road with just guitar and Archer backing on another guitar, it was amazing, almost showing all other things were unimportant to those songs, all stipped away.

don't believe the hype ... the sam prekop album seems deliberately obtuse. open close listening the songwriting is weak (but good sounding) and if you heard the album being piped down a disused elevator shaft you'd think it was the perfect fusion between pop and jazz. i think either the saving grace or the damnation of this album is the result of that infernal meddler jim o'rourke ... hard to decide. the ride out on the last track with strings and funky bass is absolutely, unbelievably sublime though. worth the price of admission for that alone.

-- fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon@yahoo.com), April 03, 2002.

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mark, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
today i have bought this prekop lp, and have now played the second side about 6 times in a row. the last time i had played a new record this much was probably moon pix. and if anyone understands how i feel about cat power, that is saying something. im really liking it, in other words. thanks ilm

Ron, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm positively giddy. For the longest time I was desperately trying to convince everyone around me that they were complete fools for being so interested in the Prewitt records and not paying any attention to the Prekop, which -- well yes, it's completely shameful that it's never considered as quite possibly the best record to come from that entire Chicago era, if not one of the best records of those years period. Mini-infection here on ILM, thankfully: maybe next I will be able to convince people of the monumental brilliance of Graham Coxon's first solo record.

nabisco%%, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but are you going to say anything about WHY you think it's better, nniatbsiushco? I haven't listened to it much yet but offhand I'd guess you have something in mind like that it has more of that real band in a room stuff over the studiometrickery and krautische dronism of tsac. (which by itself doesn't sound convincing enough to me)

Josh, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd guess you have something in mind like that it has more of that real band in a room stuff over the studiometrickery and krautische dronism of tsac.

Hahaha Josh: okay not everything I think relates to my pet theory of last summer, and besides, the whole reason I was so whole- hog taken with the Chicago post-rock concepts was that I really do go for the studiometrickery and krautische dronism. But ... umm ... yeah, that is sort of part of it: Jim O'Rourke's real contribution to the Chicago bunch was that crisp roomy realistic production of his, and maybe 15% of the Prekop's greatness revolves around the thrill of hearing that a lot of the studio-y post-rock aims could be stripped back and accomplished more naturally as well. (I.e. in some sense it's argument is that the core of what works about Prekop's post-rock isn't the post-rock textural stuff: it's really just Prekop himself.)

But the majority of its goodness (and this is a slightly-related point but isn't so much about sound as it is about songwriting) comes from the fact that it erases a lot of what people slag off in Chicago post-rock: for one thing, it has this weird sense of humility about it, insofar as it erases a lot of the showy grooves and pulses in favor of this incredibly pretty and incredibly graceful light-on-its- feet feel. Also and most importantly it's just a really solid composition: a lot of post-rock records seem very much rock, insofar as they're trying to be sort of expansive and groovy, whereas the Prekop has a weirdly Satie-ish sense of being very much a composition and an arrangement in ways that the Sea and Cake (who themselves were pop to post-rock's rock) never were.

Also the simultaneous Prewitt and Prekop solo records were really telling, insofar as it became clear that Prewitt wanted to work with a much much more traditional singer-songwritery format (which people disappointingly paid way more attention to) whereas Prekop went for this highly-composed and very unique territory that comes around to some really terrific pop at lots of points on the record -- which is sort of what I go for most in music, interesting visions that coalesce into really great pop from directions one wouldn't expect.

Last argument revolves around the fact that the Prekop solo sort of reveals Prekop as the bigger definer of the Sea and Cake sound -- and so when I'm really really enjoying the Prekop, it's easy to look at some Sea and Cake stuff and see it as the essence of what's great about Prekop but blanketed and sort of obscured with a lot of other people's very of-the-moment "post-rock" ideas. In this sense it's good that the Prekop came toward the end of Chicago post-rock seeming very vibrant and relevant, as I think it -- with its more singular Prekoppy vision -- will for a good while seem like the diamond in there, the timeless one.

That said, I've gone back and forth a lot over whether the Prekop is really better than The Fawn, which I also love: the fact that The Fawn is more of-its-moment (and thus essentially "dates" now that I'm "getting over" post-rock) might be what makes me, a few years later, prefer the Prekop, which I'll admit might be a critical bias.

Dude, you asked.

nabisco%%, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

my guess involved your old pet theory because the record sounds so much like that! but I don't quite follow you on this composition stuff. I was listening last night and noticing how lots of the songs tend to have a really serial form, in that they'll do something for a while, then do something else for a while, then something sort of ending-sounding (like the strings). that strikes me as not as 'compositional' as it could have been - could've been more done to unify those parts somehow. the end of the record trails off some for me, and I wonder if that isn't the reason why: without the tighter song structures gotten by putting those parts together, the songs just sound sort of directionless (not in the good stasisy way) when the parts aren't as good. 'faces and people' sounds like the ideal thing to have burst into a lazy, joyful indie-house-glitch-pop song, but then it just sort of repeats itself forever. that's kind of disappointing to me, though I got used to it. I find comparisons to gastr's camofleur instructive - I've seen it mentioned a lot in reviews. things that record does differently: the string-things-out compositional strategy is done by stringing DIFFERENT things out, letting the songs shift, rather than stringing out what sound like they could be extra layers in the same song. uh, sorry, I only had one thing in mind.

why doesn't prekop just make an all-bossa nova record?

Josh, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
'one bedroom' is my new favorite song!!

ron (ron), Saturday, 18 January 2003 02:31 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
What time signature is the song "Biz" in?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 June 2005 01:30 (fifteen years ago) link

hee hee, mark greenberg's post up there fails to mention precious wax drippings.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 June 2005 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

god the first album is fucking untouchably great

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 June 2005 02:28 (fifteen years ago) link

showboat angel! they never got fun like this again

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 June 2005 02:28 (fifteen years ago) link

How do you like the 2nd Prekop, Nitsuh?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I just dialed it up on Spotify, out of curiosity. One of these guys is heavy on the Lou Reed-aping vocals! (that's not meant as a knock, half the indie guys in the '90s sang that way...)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:08 (two years ago) link

part of the appeal, surely

niels, Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:15 (two years ago) link

haven't heard a sea and cake album since One Bedroom, I should go back and listen to what I've missed. the debut is one of my favorite albums of the 90's.

akm, Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:53 (two years ago) link

there was a thread on RYM about artists who's best tune was the first song on the first album. Sea & Cake immediately came to mind. Obviously they've done plenty of great stuff but man, "Jacking the Ball" is so perfect

for me The Biz is still the one that sticks out. I discovered it on accident. I was looking for "Cake" and someone cut out "The Sea And" on the file so I saw "The Biz" and was like, hmmm never heard that one before. There is something particularly mesmerizing about that tune, the way it just sorta gets lost within itself. The entire album is great.

as for the later stuff, I still really have an affinity for One Bedroom, it feels more exciting and solid than Oui or The Fawn. part of that might have been the fact that it was my second TSAC disc. there's sort of a diminishing returns with them. haven't really given their stuff after that much of a fair shake but according to iTunes I've played Everybody and Car Alarm a lot

frogbs, Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:00 (two years ago) link

I have those opening riffs of 'jacking the ball' in my head once a day, and have for like 20 years.

akm, Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:33 (two years ago) link

looking forward to boot & saddle philly represent may 18

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 April 2018 00:58 (two years ago) link

I have those opening riffs of 'jacking the ball' in my head once a day, and have for like 20 years.

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Time to change your ringtone.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 13 April 2018 01:14 (two years ago) link

here comes the reddening SOUL

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 April 2018 01:46 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

they sound reinvigorated

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 5 May 2018 16:25 (two years ago) link

They sound exactly the same

calstars, Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:45 (two years ago) link

The bits and pieces I've heard from the new one have all sounded really good. But, just throwing this out there: Runner will be hard to top.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 5 May 2018 20:42 (two years ago) link

I could imagine holding both reggie and calstar's thoughts in my head.

djh, Saturday, 5 May 2018 21:19 (two years ago) link

the first three songs are really great! the rest is just a mass of sea and cakey niceness so far. more listens might open up those songs more i guess.

mizzell, Sunday, 6 May 2018 18:50 (two years ago) link

That’s a leak right? I thought it didn’t come until later in the month.

calstars, Sunday, 6 May 2018 19:23 (two years ago) link

i preordered it from bandcamp and it came last week

mizzell, Sunday, 6 May 2018 19:31 (two years ago) link

ooh thx for the tip mate!

calstars, Sunday, 6 May 2018 20:07 (two years ago) link

Listening to the new one, opening track is probably the most “aggressive” (in a laid back sense) I’ve ever heard them

calstars, Friday, 11 May 2018 12:19 (two years ago) link

So funny this popped up. Was thinking of reviving a Sea & Cake thread yesterday because I was listening to some solo Prekop and had the realization that it sounded like Prairie Home Companion jazz.

(NB, I do actually like these guys.)

Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 May 2018 12:30 (two years ago) link

Yeah, was surprised to find a new album waiting for me on spotify just now. I've had a love/hate/ennui relationship with their last couple albums. Nothing bad, but nothing that gets me excited either. I'll give this a try, but don't have high hopes at the moment.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 May 2018 13:26 (two years ago) link

This is sounding pretty nice. They seem to maybe be getting past their regular rock n roll band phase, back to something a bit more stylized and nuanced.

I feel like I should go back to some of their more recent releases, maybe I didn't give them a fair shot.

Is Everybody the only one th at McEntire did not produce?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 May 2018 20:34 (two years ago) link

They feel reinvigorated on this one - might be their best in many years. That said it’s still predictably Sea and Cakey. It starts to lose me in the second half. Perhaps that will change after more listens.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 12 May 2018 17:17 (two years ago) link

hard to believe it's been 5 1/2 years since Runner

calstars, Saturday, 12 May 2018 18:06 (two years ago) link

This is predictably excellent.

RE: Claridge's involvement
Sam answered a question on an Instagram post yesterday and said that, unfortunately, Eric had succumbed to serious carpel tunnel in his fretting hand and is now unable to play as frequently as recording and touring would demand. Really too bad. Hope he's doing well otherwise.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Thursday, 17 May 2018 04:09 (two years ago) link

Ah, I'd been wondering about that. Just saw them at the Empty Bottle in Chicago, and Doug McCombs was on bass.

jaymc, Thursday, 24 May 2018 06:14 (two years ago) link

Apparently, McEntire is moving to Nevada City, California:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-ott-sea-and-cake-interview-0518-story.html

jaymc, Thursday, 24 May 2018 06:16 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Hey new Sam Prekop! https://samprekop.bandcamp.com/track/summer-places"">And it's pretty good!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:17 (three months ago) link

"Boy, I blew that!"
-Leo Kottke

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:18 (three months ago) link

Solid advance single!
As someone esp drawn to Prekop/S&C tracks like "Early Chicago" off the Two Gentleman EP (although I do like the fully abstract stuff, too) am really curious about this.

mr zbow (Craig D.), Friday, 24 April 2020 02:29 (three months ago) link

I dig it. Reminds me a bit of Wax Stag.

jaymc, Friday, 24 April 2020 02:47 (three months ago) link

hope it's not all instrumental

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 24 April 2020 16:21 (three months ago) link

I think his last solo album was all instrumental iirc. Personally not a fan of his bleep bloop stuff

calstars, Friday, 24 April 2020 16:41 (three months ago) link

He's had two albums and an EP of electronic stuff. Hasn't done the solo songwriter thing in years.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 24 April 2020 16:43 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

and another new one. i'm gearing up for this to be one of my top picks of the year. very excited.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 10 May 2020 20:42 (two months ago) link

Yeah, that second advance single off Comma convinced me to just bite and bullet and preorder it--looking fwd to its release.

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 10:57 (two months ago) link

the bullet rather, ha

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 10:57 (two months ago) link

Yeah this is sounding rather exciting! Tbf I did miss both aforementioned electronic ep's, so this is new to me.

two months pass...

WE WANT WHAT'S HOLY NOW

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 26 July 2020 21:42 (two weeks ago) link

sam's new album has been postponed until 11 september. curses.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:26 (one week ago) link

ok but my q is: when will we get another archer prewitt album??

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:30 (one week ago) link

fr, wilderness is a masterpiece.

fun fact: when i saw ts+c live i told archer i loved him in a quiet between song moment. he picked up his guinness, tipped it in my direction, and winked as he had a gulp. was p cool.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:35 (one week ago) link

yeah some of the earlier records are hit/miss for me but Wilderness is a chilled-out melancholia classic

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:40 (one week ago) link

Always wished S&C would do an album where Sam and Archer traded off a bit more.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:43 (one week ago) link

Sam is great, but he kind of sings the same melody in at least 75% of their songs.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:52 (one week ago) link

always thought if Wilderness had come out a little later it would have made more of a splash, well-executed MOR stuff was not as well regarded at the time, I don't think

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:54 (one week ago) link

I'm thinking of stuff like Kurt Vile as a comparison point

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:58 (one week ago) link

i may regret saying this later, but i think on most days that wilderness is the best thing that anybody associated with the sea and cake ever did.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:51 (one week ago) link

It may not be "better" than peak S&C but it's the one I revisit the most often, especially in the fall.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:57 (one week ago) link

I was more into White Sky and Three at the time but agree that Archer's solo stuff is underrated.

jaymc, Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:58 (one week ago) link

I need to revisit. I remember Three sounding nice but a little TOO airy and lush for its own good

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:09 (one week ago) link

three is hit and miss, but it's for sure got a few big hitters (especially 'the race').

i actually think gerroa songs, while not my favorite, is the one i go back to most often. just something about it that's very warm and unique. it's fairly short too, which makes for an easy listen.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:32 (one week ago) link


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