Music Documentaries + Films -- S/D

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Bands can be good, bands can be bad. But films about bands almost always suck. There's the odd one that is successful (Buena Vista Social Club), there's the classic (Decline of Western Civilization), even the mockumentary (Spinal Tap -- and the DVD, on which the trio has a commentary track complaing about how bad Reiner made them look is amazing).

Overall, tho: What makes a good music film? Which ones are worth going back to, and which should be forever binned?

bucky wunderlick (bucky), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Athens, GA. Inside/Out ala Dexter Romweber

Instrument: Ten Years with the Band Fugazi

200 Motels

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haven't seen "The Compleat Beatles" lately .. but I seem to remember it as being a good film. Maybe because it was narrated by O, Lucky Man.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

A Hard Day's Night is probably the only REALLY essential music-movie.

I hate concert films/videos.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

A Hard Day's Night is probably the only REALLY essential music-movie.
in terms of rock music leastways.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with the FUGAZI recommendation...it's well done, and it's funny.

gage o (gage o), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and add the Pennebaker/Dylan Classic, Don't Look Back -- but only for the off-stage material.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Hype!"

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Incredible String Band - Be Glad For the Song Has No Ending (demonstrates where mixing LSD and Scientology can lead you)

Popol Vuh - Sei still wisse ICH BIN (lots of people in white wander about the Sinai Desert following a Jesus-like "prophet" who is played by a woman in a beard - all to the accompaniment of Popol Vuh's weirdest album)

The Residents - Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats? ("...deals with the community of Vileness Flats, a town populated by round one-armed midgets")

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

let me try posting again, didnt work first time...anybody remember name of thelonius monk movie that was really great? some of you may know him as "the lonliest monk" %}

M.Slaughter, Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

straight no chaser

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I recently enjoyed Lightning Bolt's "The Power of Salad"

& don't sleep on the Led Zeppelin Danish TV special from 1969.

Bin that negatively creepy Radiohead movie, couldn't watch it.

I hear "the Osbournes" is a good show

autovac (autovac), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nico: Icon is terrific. That one European guy who says "I never liked Delon...he was from a family of sausage makers, you know. Once you are a sausage maker, you are always a sausage maker!!!" or the guy who did the unauthorized Nico autobiography: "So we get to the border, and she hands me a can of syringes, and tells me to hide them! That was...very deliberate."

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

One thing that makes music documentaries "work" is when unexpected events/conflicts are introduced into the musicians' lives during the filming/production, thus instead of just a series of interesting moments in the band/artist's ongoing goings on, it becomes an honest to goodness story.

A pretty good, quite recognizable example = I Am Trying to Break Your Heart...

an AMAZING, not-as-recognizable example = Genghis Blues

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks thomas, yeah it was straight no chaser. made me go buy a lot of monk, a great movie.

M.Slaughter, Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stop Making Sense, obviously.

Beat Street, Wild Style and Krush Groove are all worth checking out.

Standing In The Shadows Of Motown was pretty decent too.

Mil, Friday, 2 May 2003 00:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wild Style just got a release on double DVD stateside. Exciting.

I really enjoy 'Friends Forever'. Not the most popular band in the world, but I find the film terrific.

Millar (Millar), Friday, 2 May 2003 00:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The Artist Formerly Known As Captain Beefheart" UK TV documentary that first turned me on to the great man.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

What I really want to see is the TV commercial for "Lick My Decals Off" which was shown once only in the States - according to Mike Barnes' Beefheart biography it was, errrrm, somewhat unconventional.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Vinyl", that film about record collectors from a few years back, was quite good.

harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Comic Strip's "Bad News" and "More Bad News" almost managed to out Spinal Tap Spinal Tap.

(When is someone going to bring all the Comic Strip stuff out on DVD?!?)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

My brother once told me that Beefheart made a TV commercial for Coke that had a slow zoom in to a bottle of Coke on a table, with a weird hippie-type guy grabbing it and then saying to the camera, "Eat Coke!" I don't know if Coca-Cola ever actualy commisioned him to make a commercial and this probably wouldn't have aired, but it makes a good story.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Sign Of The Times"

"Help!"

"Melodie Nelson" French TV Special

Can't wait for the Zeppelin Live DVD's.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Zeppelin live DVDs, you say? Do tell.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
cracked actor
24 hour party people
bbc's 'dancing in the street'
show from '96

piscesboy, Monday, 21 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Zeppelin live DVDs are both great and awful at the same time.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 21 March 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Could anybody please tell me more about this "Melodie Nelson" French TV Special and where it would be available?

Jena (JenaP), Monday, 21 March 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone see the Momus documentary, Man of Letters? anyhow, on my S: i really liked Dig! on my D: Low in Europe

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

New Order Story is my favorite. Great interviews, and the round table is classic.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The Lick My Decals ad was shown in a John Peel narrated Beefheart doc that was on the BBC 5-6 years ago. Had some amazing footage on it - excellent wee film.
Apparently the ad can also be seen at the MOMA in NYC.

stew, Monday, 21 March 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

really surprised Depeche Mode 101 hasn't been mentioned... one of my absolute faves and i'm not that much of a fan of the band.

john'n'chicago, Monday, 21 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Dig! is great. Ramones End Of The Century is supposed to be great, just came out on DVD. And Metallica: Some Kind of Monster is a classic as well.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

May I recommend Hail! Hail! Rock 'n Roll?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Festival Express has a lot of great concert footage of The Band, The Dead, Janis, Buddy Guy (show stealer) and Mashmakhan, but it all resides in a rather boring and self-congratulatory documentary about a dickhead canadian concert promoter and the riots and protests that surrounded the shows. The new interviews are all really dire but the archival footage is second to none. Great party shots on the train that took the whole festival across Canada in 1970.

Trip Maker (Sean Witzman), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I freakin love that MC5 doc.

Will(iam), Monday, 21 March 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Dig! again and MC5: A True Testimonial

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 21 March 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and Wattstax for godsakes

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 21 March 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Could anybody please tell me more about this "Melodie Nelson" French TV Special and where it would be available?


Jena - Here you go. Anna , with Anna Karina and Jean Claude Brially singing Gainsbourg songs, is great, too.

I just watched the Electric Miles documentary and think it's outstanding.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 21 March 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, any word on the status of MC5: A True Testimonial??? I still haven't seen it. Are there any digital copies floating around?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 21 March 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Jay Vee, I'm almost ready to place an order for it. But is it really only 28 mins long?

Jena (JenaP), Monday, 21 March 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Straight No Chaser on Thelonious Monk 1989. (thought Ken L would list this for sure.) And MC5 - A True Testimonial seconded, thirded and fourthed. Maybe the best rock doc I've seen. Somebody should do a similiar job on the New York Dolls. I saw their national TV appearance on Midnight Special way back when, and I'd guess there's more footage available on them than on the 5.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 21 March 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Straight No Chaser on Thelonious Monk 1989. (thought Ken L would list this for sure.)
Me? Perhaps you're confusing me with The Tempestuous One. I would have put it but I haven't seen it since it came out, although I consider doing so every few days. Memo to self: Search Straight, No Chaser!

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 21 March 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Dowd and the Language of Music

http://www.thelanguageofmusic.com/

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 21 March 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

good one, the Tom Dowd. I liked Last Waltz very much. Concert for Bangledesh, what parts I saw.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 21 March 2005 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Jena - yeah. It's that short - it's the entire album, however, as a longform music video. Pretty great (especially Jane B.'s silly dancing). The interview they tack on at the end is also cool if it's the same one I have at the end of my Melody VHS (which I bought from these same folks a few years back).

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I highly recommend End Of The Century too...lots of great interviews, great footage..and don't miss the outtake feat. Tommy titled 'Who Wrote What On The First 3 Albums' (v.funny/strange)
Others:
Westway To The World The Clash
The Kids Are Alright The Who
and I can't think of any more now but I know I will...

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps you're confusing me with The Tempestuous One.
I should have said The Tempestuous One For Whom There Is No Cure.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link


Search:
Gimmie Shelter
The Filth and the Fury
The Last Waltz
The Buddy Holly Story
Woodstock
Round Midnight

Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link

< quick thread hijack...>
Ah, there's a question I've repeatedly forgotten to ask!...
"Great Rock and Roll Swindle" vs "Filth and the Fury"
which ones closer to the (heh) "Truth"
which one is more entertaining?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 04:14 (nineteen years ago) link

MC5 info, anyone?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

As bad as he is--and he's awful, right from the opening credits--even worse is Dave Grohl's shtick with the backstage spread.

clemenza, Friday, 29 April 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Link to press release (w video etc) re new DVD re George Crumb & Voice Of The Whale---looks promising:
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1102557630070&ca=3125f200-79ee-4dc3-a670-ecaabf524ca1

dow, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link

clemenza's latest post reminds me of this---finally saw & posted about it on ILE's Last (x) movies you saw:

The Decline of Western Civilization Part III (1998) Part I was a (near-?) contemporary report on early West Coast punk etc bands, Part III moves among "gutter punks," homeless teens, squatting and partying and panhandling ("Spare change sir? C'mon, save an old lady from gettin' mugged, spare change, spare change? Fuckit then." Theft is mentioned, but not shown; ass-peddling is neither. Lots of brief interviews, checking back in with several, in various settings (not too various, but some kids are more candid alone with Spheeris and her camera in a quiet side room, others as couples or in groups, relaxing in the latest living room or fave patch of sidewalk/alley.
They make it into some shows, incl. a band proudly claiming to be homeless too, which may (been a while) be the same one with a practice space in the random living room of a member's mom, a hoarder. Another band, Naked Getail, I think, is proudly Musical as hell, yet raw enough in sound design to get unreserved gutter punk response.
Fatalism for the most part, surprising optimism from a few ("I'll try to---I *will* get a job," though camera pulls back to show his friend rolling on the pavement with laffter). Death by misadventure, discussed at end, then credits and a final note that one of the kids is now in jail for fatally stabbing boyfriend (a fairly mellow couple onscreen). Currently on YouTube, though I saw it On Demand in weathered Suburbia: not so much a home invasion as a wall suddenly decaying again.

dow, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link

"Naked Getail," sheeit. Wikipedia lists the bands in this doc as: Final Conflict, Litmus Green, Naked Aggression and The Resistance.

dow, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

I mentioned this on the Netflix thread, but the Jaco Pastorius doc that's streaming now is quite good.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

my friends jake and neil made a doc about milford graves. gonna be at film society of lincoln center this spring. you should go!

https://www.filmlinc.org/daily/lineup-announced-for-the-2018-edition-of-art-of-the-real/

geeta really liked it:

http://4columns.org/dayal-geeta/milford-graves-full-mantis

scott seward, Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link

If you look in the bowels of Netflix and Amazon Prime Video (in the UK at least) you'll find a fair few interesting documentaries, Of Montreal, Death, Tad, St Thomas, Lo Sound Desert (Kyuss etc:), Mudhoney, Pentagram, Colin Hay, Some nice Punk/Hardcore/SxE ones, Bad Brains/HR, tons really.

MaresNest, Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link

The Colin Hay one was nice enough. Also a surprisingly similar Tom Paxton one.

I watch all of these. I mean, ALL, even if I don't like the artist in question much.

Things US Netflix has that I've watched:

Ethan Hawke Chet Baker thing (interminable and overprecious)
Bowie: Man Who Changed the World (okay though true heads scurry over to HBO for the Last Five Years thing)
History of the Eagles (long and tedious of course, with moments of Walshian crazy that make it worth it)
Now More than Ever: The History of Chicago (honestly you can skip this)
Tom Petty: Runnin' Down a Dream (long but watchable)
What Happened, Miss Simone (highly recommended)
Mr. Dynamite: Rise of James Brown (okay but the biopic had more pizazz)
The Wrecking Crew (quite good, a good companion piece to Shadows of Motown and
Fred Armisen Standup for Drummers (nah, skip it)
Long Time Running (Tragically Hip, pretty good)
Anvil: Story of Anvil (highly regarded but a bit snoozy for me)
Glen Campbell: I'll Be Me (meh)
Miss Sharon Jones (good)
We Are Twisted Fucking Sister (okay)
It Might Get Loud (already discussed to death)
Beware Mr. Baker (meh)
Hired Gun (good)
Jaco (okay)
Danny Says (meh)
The Winding Stream (non-bad Carter Family doc)

Things on Netflix that I haven't watched yet but will report back:

Nat King Cole: Afraid of the Dark
Biggie & Tupac
Coach Snoop (the "Snoop Lion" Jamaica doc was entertaining)
When You're Strange
Parrot Heads (I may not get to this)

Amazon Prime right now has:

BOTH Sign O the Times and Graffiti Bridge.
Also a bunch of good DC punk/hardcore stuff.
And Stop Making Sense!
And 808, a really nice documentary about the Roland drum machine of the same name.
A reasonably charming thing about Pulp's last show in Sheffield.
And the LCD Soundsystem doc "Shut Up and Play the Hits."

Frankly all the streaming services are doing a decent job with this lately.

yamnesia (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link

I love Pulp and always will but that documentary put me off them for a good couple of years

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link

XP - The 808 Doc is great, really enjoyable

MaresNest, Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link

Fair enough, Camaraderie. As I say, I watch these regardless of my feelings about the artist, I find something to relate to in all of them. I watch them even when they're unpleasant and frankly terrible.

I liked the club kid interviewed by the river who said (more or less) that when you get mugged in London it's insulting and offputting, but when you get mugged at home it's kind of comforting, because you'll probably see the fuckers at the pub later and you can get back at them.

My favorite thing about the Jaco documentary was Joni Mitchell complaining about a bass player who quarreled with her about a note, saying, "that's not even in the chord!" And she said, "well, it WILL be, when you PLAY it."

Seriously these movies are like crack to me. There are dozens I forgot to list. Upside Down (the Creation Records one)! The Punk Singer. 20 Feet from Stardom.

yamnesia (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link

I enjoyed the Lamb of God one on a recommendation from a friend, it has some unexpected twists and very little of their music in it, which was wise.

MaresNest, Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link

Thanks, MaresNest.

Also HBO has a dramatic, reasonably well-acted 2pac one right now (All Eyez on Me)

yamnesia (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

Omg guys, New on Netflix: a series called "once in a lifetime sessions."

Very nicely done. Great mix of live performance, interview, and studio footage. Vastly better than the usual hasty clip assemblage.

Currently watching the Nile Rodgers one and I'm in heaven.

There's also Moby and TLC and a Gallagher...

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link

There's also Moby and TLC and a Gallagher...

I was about to ask if the Gallagher was the watermelon-smashing comedian or one of the schmoes from Oasis, and then I realized it didn't make any difference.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link

Hah, left it open that way on purpose because I don't care about any of the three of them. Pretty sure it's Noel and even though I don't care about him or Oasis, I will probably still watch it. I watch pretty much all music documentaries, regardless of my feelings for the artist.

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link

That's interesting... I go the other way. I've seen music docs that have resulted in me liking the artists less afterward. They're really hard to do well, IMO

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link

Some of the better music docs I've seen -- Dig! is one that springs to mind, and the Ginger Baker doc was great when the director stayed out of it -- are about artists I don't really care about/for.

And then there's something like 30th Century Man, about an artist I'm fanatical about, and I barely made it through one viewing.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link

What is particularly fresh about this Netflix series (so far) is that it focuses on the music to the exclusion of the personalities. These are new renditions, performed live, and you get to hear the whole song, interspersed with a discussion of its creation and meaning and structure.

I am a sucker for the "classic albums" series where the producer and the artist sit at a mixing board and solo / mute things and talk about them. But in those, it's mostly recorded music and old MTV or Rockpalast clips, not new in-studio recreations.

Of course I also like the "behind the music" stuff. Early struggles, touring to empty clubs, skyrocketing to fame and fortune, groupies, nightmare descent into drugs and alcohol, rehab, comeback, etc.

But I vastly prefer musk stuff about "yeah we had this little bit in D minor and I thought it was cool, then Eno said 'add a glockenspiel' and the rest is history.

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link

Musk? Muso. Muso stuff.

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link

Just wait for the Grimes doc with the Musk stuff.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:17 (five years ago) link

Heh

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link

Just noticed the Grant Hart doc is up on Amazon Prime video.

MaresNest, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:55 (five years ago) link

Yeah that's a top one. He's wistful and funny.

I guess that's a third category. cf. "The Punk Singer" (K. Hanna) and "Hit So Hard" (Patty Schemel).

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link

Yeah, my enjoyment of a documentary and performance videos is only very loosely coupled with how much I like particular records. With this past year's releases, I'm meh on the Khruangbin album, and love the Olden Yolk album. Yet I'm hypnotized by every gig video on youtube for the former, and couldn't make it through a session of the latter.

Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link

search

bjork live at royal opera house
roxy music (any live DVDs)
dj shadow-cut chemist live
pj harvey - please leave quietly (uh huh her tour with rob ellis and josh klinghoffer on drums)
bjork volumen (complete music videos)
goldfrapp - black cherry tour dvd

eris (Ross), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link

I liked parts of the PBS series "American Epic" on Amazon.

Much of it is historiography about early recording - blah blah Carter Family, Son House, etc.

The last episode is a bunch of recent and contemporary Americana ppl recording on reconstructed 1930s recording equipment, direct to vinyl.

Content/trigger warning: Jack White's fingerprints are all over it, but many bits shine in spite of his presence.

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link

the series on dre was really great

honestly i prefer youtube interviews with musicians like the rick rubin kendrick lamar extended interview, though the older i get the less i care about what a musician has to say outside of their music, it is like demystifying the experience..the lyrics can give me what i need. im probably just an asshole tho

Ross, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

A very cuddly Quincy Jones doc is up on Netflix

I've moped on a moped and cooed with a coed (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 22 September 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

There's a feature doc about ubiquitous NYC superfans/ merch couple Dennis and Lois (known to all local Mekons fans, for starters):

http://www.docnyc.net/film/dennis-and-lois/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DoBDSH_P9s

Eighty Big Ham Tents (sic), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Is there a general thread on early rock critics? Couldn't find one.

I don't have much sense of Ben Fong-Torres as a writer. I've never read any of his books, and though I've known his byline probably since I first started reading rock critics, he's not in Stranded and he's not in my edition of The Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock & Roll (second, I think)--Charles Perry, who goes hand-in-hand with Fong-Torres in my mind, gets both California chapters--and those two books are largely my frame of reference for early American rock critics. He does have a list in Gambaccini's first Top 200 book, and he must be somewhere in The Rolling Stone Record Review Volume II, a book I consult all the time, but I scanned a couple of sections and couldn't find him.

So I spent the first half-hour of Like a Rolling Stone: The Life & Times of Ben Fong-Torres wondering why the film was made: seemed like a nice guy who had lots of big names advocating for his importance, but there was a disconnect there for me. Gradually, it did become clear how central he was to the first few years of Rolling Stone, and I guess that in and of itself is historically important. (If this were a film on Brooklyn Dodgers '50 dynasty, he's not Jackie Robinson or Duke Snider or Roy Campanella--he's more like Carl Furillo.) Like Mikal Gilmore, but in a very different way, he has a brother who figures prominently in his life--that section was interesting. And while I imagine some people will recoil, I liked his scenes with Cameron Crowe. Crowe comes across like the 15-year-old version of himself in Almost Famous, still in awe of Fong-Torres.

The best parts are audio snippets from some of his '70s interviews: Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Jim Morrison. Morrison comes across as much more soft-spoken and thoughtful than I would have guessed.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 02:42 (one year ago) link

I like your Brooklyn Dodgers comparison. Carl Furillo....

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:01 (one year ago) link

I was watching it thinking, 'man, some of those interview cassettes look beat'

If they haven't already, I hope someone takes the initiative and digitizes them soon.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link

The Ray Charles excerpts were pretty pointed.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:46 (one year ago) link

Got to see the forthcoming Aquarius Records documentary (still in festival only mode for the moment) -- a fun treat, and I have a nice little bit near the end (and an even smaller one in the opening credits).

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Author Ned S8blette showed the "Omara" film doc tonight that has just been at movie festivals. He publicized the Vimeo showing vis his email list. It's a doc on Cuban singer Omara Portuondo, who came to fame for many via her role in the Buena Vista Social Club. After the screening on Vimeo, Ned had a Q&A with filmmaker Hugo Perez. A knowledgeable interesting guy. Great doc w/ archival footage, plus recent tour footage of her in NY, NJ, Cuba, Mexico City, South Korea . I didn't know she was the daughter of a white Cuban mother and a black Cuban father. Her mother got excommunicated from her well-to-do White family in 1927 for marrying her Dad. Dad was a baseball player and sang at home with Mom and the kids

curmudgeon, Friday, 22 December 2023 21:51 (four months ago) link

Director hasn’t been able to get a company to purchase rights to film to distribute it to theaters, plus while some of the footage in it is “fair use”, other clips require payments to record companies that director can’t yet afford

curmudgeon, Friday, 22 December 2023 21:54 (four months ago) link

Omara is a really well done film

curmudgeon, Sunday, 24 December 2023 05:05 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

‘Catching Fire: The Story of Anita Pallenberg’ Filmmakers on Working With Her Son to Capture His Complicated Mother’s Life: ‘Marlon Encouraged Us to Go Deep and to Go Dark’

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/catching-fire-documentary-anita-pallenberg-impact-1235990639

dow, Saturday, 4 May 2024 19:51 (six days ago) link

xpost Ned Sublette has done some incredible work for Afropop Worldwide:https://afropop.org/search-results?q=Ned+Sublette
And I really enjoyed his album Kiss You Down South--looks like it might be OOP, but still on spotify.

dow, Saturday, 4 May 2024 20:21 (six days ago) link

This looks like it could be interesting, I really wish this mania for cheap animation in music docs would stop tho, it doesn't work at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9cQSENpysQ

Maresn3st, Sunday, 5 May 2024 13:19 (five days ago) link

I really wish this mania for cheap animation in music docs would stop tho

That ain't workin'
That's the way you do it
Get your money for nothin'
And your chicks for free

Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:57 (five days ago) link

Billy was an odd duck and at almost every Boston gig I attended in the 90s. This should be a fascinating inside look into the whole scene.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 5 May 2024 20:39 (five days ago) link

I'm two episodes into Break it All: The History of Rock in Latin America and it's definitely worth checking out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWprHs86xao

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 23:20 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I watched Rompan Todo last year and really enjoyed it.

Even if you don't want to commit to the full six episodes, the first two are amazing in the amount of old footage uncovered. I had never heard of the Avandaro Festival before and certainly didn't know how important it was.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 May 2024 05:23 (yesterday) link


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