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I wish I had something besides Mass Romantic. Is there anything else?

Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 23:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

new album has been on soulseek for weeks. Also search their cover of "Your Daddy Don't Know"

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 23:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Gracias. I hope it comes out the same as Fountains of Wayne so that I have so much good music I just can't decide what to listen to.

Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/new_pornographers.jpg

Together, new album out May 4th on Matador. Better album art this time around. Slightly more info here.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

i almost missed this, looking forward to some new stuff.

Bee OK, Friday, 22 January 2010 04:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

If the "First Look Video" is any indication, this will be a rock record (i.e., not "power-pop"). It sounds good.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

new song on matablog today

call all destroyer, Monday, 22 February 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Good tune. Also, great cover!

Simon H., Monday, 22 February 2010 16:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

so, theyre trying to go back to the Twin Cinema sound, but sadly, the new song isn't so good. the chorus is ok, but the verse...

Zeno, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

01 Moves
02 The Crash Years
03 Your Hands (Together)
04 Silver Jenny Dollar
05 Sweet Talk, Sweet Talk
06 My Shepherd
07 If You Can't See My Mirrors
08 Up in the Dark
09 Valkyrie in the Roller Disco
10 A Bite Out of My Bed
11 Daughters of Sorrow
12 We End Up Together

Zeno, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

those are some of the worst song titles i've ever heard

Tracer Hand, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Valkyrie in the Roller Disco is quite good in a GBV sort of way..

i bet Daughters of Sorrow is a Destroyer tune

Zeno, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, was going to guess from the titles which ones are Bejar's: Daughters of Sorrow definitely. Maybe Silver Jenny Dollar too.

tylerw, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dig this new song, mostly as a statement of intent (i.e., "this is a rock album -- not challengers pt. II"). not their best, but better than the title track from twin cinema, actually.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 February 2010 17:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

but better than the title track from twin cinema, actually.

no way!!

call all destroyer, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, what the hell is this?

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

otm

Zeno, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

one of those 'oh, they're still going' bands

thomp, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hope i'll be proved wrong, but the AC Newman songwriting formula now looks overused/out-of-date-so-00's now..

Zeno, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's alright, we still have Twin Cinema--the only NP record I've heard in full, and the only record of theirs I'll probably ever need.

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

so 00s hahaha

but seriously I kinda had the same reaction, too.

xpost

Cunga, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

"out-of-date" Newman-style powerpop >>>> 90% of new indie-fux0r shit

Simon H., Monday, 22 February 2010 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

uh yeah, no kidding

tylerw, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry. finding a bigger fan than me of twin cinema, the album, would be hard. but the title song wasn't among my favorites, and i know it was one of the big ac newman "rock" songs on the disc, which is why hearing the new one brought the comparison to mind.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 February 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Twin Cinema (the album) for me was the apex of The New Pornographers as an idea. Supergroups, indie or otherwise, rarely live up to expectations. TNP's had done it on several songs before that, but the Twin Cinema album was absolutely phenomenal (even Carl's title track). Such a thing will probably never happen again, but it took me over a year to really appreciate Challengers... so what do I know.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

challengers is better than it was given credit for. they didn't let the songs soar (i.e., they tried too hard to make a "mature album," but the songs themselves had lots of potential). i don't see why they couldn't equal or top twin cinema.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 February 2010 17:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really like Challengers, it's got some of their best tunes on it. I'd say each record has at least six stone-cold awesome tracks, so if they can keep the quality level up I'll be satisfied.

Simon H., Monday, 22 February 2010 17:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

"out-of-date" Newman-style powerpop >>>> 90% of new indie-fux0r shit

Correct. I rate Electric Version slightly over Twin Cinema for sheer tunedom, though they're both crammed with splendidness. Challengers was not as consistently compelling, but has some really excellent songs, and IMHO "Adventures In Solitude" is probably the best song Newman has ever written.

Freedom, Monday, 22 February 2010 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't snark on a band that is responsible for the existence of "The Bleeding Heart Show."

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 18:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes. bleeding heart show and sing me spanish techo stand at the top of an album of amazing high-points.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 February 2010 18:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Besides being strong from beginning to end, Twin Cinema was also paced really, really well. Opening with "Twin Cinema," closing with "Stacked Crooked"? Excellent.

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 18:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Would have been a perfect record had they lopped off "Broken Beads" and "Three or Four," mind.

Also, I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but Challengers had some great outtakes - esp. "The Speed of Luxury" and "Fortune."

Simon H., Monday, 22 February 2010 18:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Would have been a perfect record had they lopped off "Broken Beads" and "Three or Four," mind.

so true. there's a stretch of semi-mediocre songs that do drag the album down a bit, but that's quibbling, given all the high-points -- twin cinema was my favorite album of the decade for a long time.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 February 2010 18:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like Three or Four a lot, you guys!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 22 February 2010 19:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

both those songs are awesome

call all destroyer, Monday, 22 February 2010 19:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

meh.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 February 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

At least Challengers was better than the last A.C. Newman album Get Guilty. That one never sunk in.

Heresy: All New Pornographers albums would be improved by the removal of Dan Bejar songs except "Jackie Dressed in Cobras" which is awesome.

Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

All New Pornographers albums would be improved by the removal of Dan Bejar songs except "Jackie Dressed in Cobras" which is awesome.

^ this!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really loved A.C. Newman's first solo album, I think that was released in '04

subversive time travel (FACK), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Never got Dan Bejar, honestly except for "To Wild Homes."

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hate destroyer but he's contributed 1-2 good songs to all the new pornos albums

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

!

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Destroyer's Rubies is an excellent record, and 75% of Trouble in Dreams is also solid. "Libby's First Sunrise," the final track off the latter record, is probably one of my favorite songs of his.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

this thread would have been perfect for you, ksh
Destroye's Rubies

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

didnt that get a 10 on pitchfork?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Apparently you thought the thread was "lol."

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

you supply the night, baby, i'll supply the lol

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Let's make lots of money.

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

cad: 8.5

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8970-destroyers-rubies/

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

challops galore. Twin Cinema at #6 fine, fine, but the only way you can say "there’s never a moment that truly bursts from the speakers..." is if you've somehow muted the drum track on "the bleeding heart show."

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 28 August 2017 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Even accounting for the fact that the first two albums have many ardent supporters, there is no way that Twin Cinema should place any lower than #3.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Monday, 28 August 2017 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

I hope it comes out the same as Fountains of Wayne so that I have so much good music I just can't decide what to listen to.

I loved 2003

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 19:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Ordering NP albums is weirdly difficult for me. I got into them around the time of Twin Cinema and bought the first three albums in nearly one go. The first two in particular I have always mixed up - literally, I listened to them combined and on shuffle for years. I can't really think of them as distinct entities.

And if I really zero in on the album I listen to most *as an album* - it's Challengers.

So I kinda want to say it's Mass Romantic>Electric Version>Challengers>Whiteout Conditions>Twin Cinema>Brill Bruisers>>Together

But in my heart I think it's actually Challengers>Electric Romantic>Whiteout Conditions>>>Twin Cinema>>>>I really don't listen to the other ones often even though they're good too.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 28 August 2017 19:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I like the closing track of "Together" as much as I like anything else they've recorded since Electric Version.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 19:59 (two months ago) Permalink

this band is so good

and has been so consistently good

alpine static, Monday, 28 August 2017 20:04 (two months ago) Permalink

mass romantic and electric version have high highs but are honestly kinda fatiguing. i agree that Challengers is the most listenable as an album, even if it might not be the one i'd recommend as an intro to the band.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 28 August 2017 22:22 (two months ago) Permalink

The guy is about as wrong as a person can be about Together, the first half of which is up with their best, before it all goes very dreary after "My Shepherd". I think Electric Version and Twin Cinema are the most consistently great, and it seems unlikely they'll get back to that level again, but all the albums have at least a smattering of gems. I have been very underwhelmed by the few things I've heard from Whiteout Conditions, but we'll see.

Freedom, Monday, 28 August 2017 23:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Whiteout Conditions is fantastic.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:49 (two months ago) Permalink

I really should give it another shot. I like "Play Money" a lot, but my attention drifts soon afterwards.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Brill Bruisers and Whiteout Conditions are next after the first two for me, right there with Twin Cinema.

alpine static, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 06:50 (two months ago) Permalink

I got into them around the time of Twin Cinema and bought the first three albums in nearly one go. The first two in particular I have always mixed up - literally, I listened to them combined and on shuffle for years. I can't really think of them as distinct entities.

Twin Cinema was also my introduction and yeah there was definitely a long while after I got the first two where I could never remember which songs were on which, they do feel very much of a piece (although I've come around to preferring Electric Version). Twin Cinema remains one of my favourite albums of the '00s. My ranking at the moment would be:

Twin Cinema>Electric Version>Brill Bruisers>Mass Romantic>Whiteout Conditions>>Challengers>>>Together

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 08:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Challopian as the Stereogum revive may be (though I do think their top 2 is correct), it has made me play these records again and smdh what a brilliant fucking band this is. Their best hooks are like drugs, I can't even listen to it for hours on end because it's just too much, too glittery, too happy even.

Today this is the best song of all-time for me (and fucking great video, too):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn-LDCRL8Js

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Challengers still mad underrated. It's better than everything that's followed.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:39 (two months ago) Permalink

"Unguided" is a bit of an albatross but "Go Places," "Myriad Harbor," "My Rights Versus Yours" and "Adventures in Solitude" are some of their very best songs

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:41 (two months ago) Permalink

I like hearing this enthusiasm, because I really liked the first two records at the time, but am pretty unfamiliar with the rest of them except maybe Together, so will henceforth explore/relisten.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:46 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh man you have a world to explore then. They are so, so good, also after the first two records. Just dose it according to your preferred intake :)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:53 (two months ago) Permalink

And Simon H. completely otm about 'Challengers'.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:54 (two months ago) Permalink

some day i look forward to old-style polling new pornographers and associated solo acts

Mordy, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Hell yes, I'd be very much into that. AC Newman's solo album is such a treat, too. Let alone Neko.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:23 (two months ago) Permalink

album*s*!

Mordy, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Ha, verily! (my bad)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:30 (two months ago) Permalink

D@n and I squabbled amicably about his rankings on FB, with which I mostly disagree but who cares? Most of the writing is sharp. I'd no idea until a couple years ago that Twin Cinema is the consensus pick -- it got excellent reviews at the time but remember no real euphoria. Then not long afterward the ground shifted.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I didn't have any objections to Whiteout Conditions other than my boredom with power pop.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:38 (two months ago) Permalink

I never experienced Twin Cinema as the consensus pick, but then that's only in relation to my 'bubble'. Always thought the quintessential NP album was, still, Mass Romantic tbh.

But you are so right: it doesn't really matter when your discography is this consistently great.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Electric Version was my first NP album and it will always be the consensus #1 in my eyes

Mordy, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:43 (two months ago) Permalink

I think I probably burned out on them pretty early on, because power-pop, but that's my problem, not theirs.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:27 (two months ago) Permalink

challengers is their best album imo but yeah the distinction is meaningless

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:30 (two months ago) Permalink

I read the Stereogum article and ended up spending some time with the catalogue as well. I'd always had TC #1, but the production is kind of lacking there.
New #1-Electric Version. (I think they could have recorded Twin Cinema the song on a boombox and it would still be great though).

campreverb, Thursday, 31 August 2017 05:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Speaking of Newman's solo albums - how does everyone rate them? I had the first one and liked it fine, though it kinda felt like diet cola compared to NP material. Never followed up with his subsequent solo stuff but have been meaning to.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:07 (two months ago) Permalink

i like all of them but new pornographers lite is a good description

Mordy, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:15 (two months ago) Permalink

get guilty is maybe my fave

Mordy, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:28 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah same, i think the best of get guilty hangs with peak nps but wouldn't say that about the other two

call all destroyer, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:30 (two months ago) Permalink

I've never warmed to Destroyer the way I have his NP tracks.

campreverb, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:38 (two months ago) Permalink

love The Slow Wonder, never got into the rest

niels, Friday, 1 September 2017 08:02 (two months ago) Permalink

True story. I was listening to the new OMD (which is good). Next up in the queue was (I learned retroactively) "Brill Bruisers," which I'd literally never heard. The OMD album is playing when my wife pops in, but she doesn't say anything. Then seconds later I notice the music has changed.

"What is this?" she suddenly asks. "It sounds familiar."

"Well, it had been OMD, so it should be familiar," I say. "But I was just wondering what it was myself, because I think the album switched."

"Hmm," she answered. "Reminds me of the New Pornographers."

Which I think is nuts impressive, because she likes the NPs when they're on, but they're almost never on here, and she's never asked to hear them, but was immediately able to identify an album I'd literally never heard or played before (and neither had she) as the NPs. Good for her, I say. And good for them!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:12 (two months ago) Permalink

we should just poll them at this point, I've spent so much time listening since that Stereogum article. Thanks Dan!
Current ranking:
EV
TC
MR
BB
everything else.

campreverb, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:06 (two months ago) Permalink

Thank you again, thread revive, because I think there was a better than average chance I might not have ever listened to this band on purpose ever again, for no good reason, the ultimate taking a group for granted. But I'm loving them today.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 18:08 (two months ago) Permalink

I sort of fell into a state of ambivalence toward them for the last couple of years but Whiteout Conditions totally rekindled my love for them. It's one of my favorite records of the year.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:47 (two months ago) Permalink

best recorded catalog of the past 2 decades, imo

alpine static, Friday, 1 September 2017 23:50 (two months ago) Permalink

not bad. jessica numbers would be the biggest omission for me.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 September 2017 02:22 (two months ago) Permalink

We have arrived

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Too late to play

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Hard to argue with that list. "Divine Right" would replace "Testament" in the top 5, but the other 4 are pretty undeniable, especially the vocal octave leaps and drops in the chorus of "Spanish Techno," or the end of "The Bleeding Heart Show" when it goes all "Pleasant Valley Sunday."

(Psst... "Mass Romantic" is on twice.)

Hideous Lump, Monday, 4 September 2017 17:52 (two months ago) Permalink

easy to argue with that list. "the bleeding heart show" is their best song and remains unmentioned. talk to me about the stooges without mentioning "fun house" or run DMC and "raising hell" and i tune you out

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Uhm, 'Bleeding Heart Show' is Alfred number one?

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 4 September 2017 19:05 (two months ago) Permalink

aaahh. no arguments with alfred's list. i thought you were talking about the challopsy stereogum dude's. sorry!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:43 (two months ago) Permalink

I'll give you something to be sad about

Star Star City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:32 (two months ago) Permalink


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