Could the new Liz Phair be any worse

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Not that whitechocolatespacegg was anything to write home about.

Not that whip-smart was any good.

But this thing is a fucking turd.

I'm not sure whether Liz Phair is even a waste of talent. I'm not real convinced there was actual talent there to begin with.

don weiner, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There wasn't. Exile in Guyville is one of the worst albums I've ever heard in my life.

Evan (Evan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

WHY IS IT A TURD?!?!?!!?

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

qualifying for turdom:

1. a stupefying blandness
2. songs sound like Sheryl Crow throwaways
3. phair is still not a singer--she's a stylist. But here they once again try to make her sound like a singer
4. the rock songs are canned crap
5. she seems to have no personality
6. obligatory masturbatory song hot white cum is unbelievable contrived. Worse, it's boring.
7. "Take a Look" is the only thing that recalls her earlier work, though it's embarassingly overproduced. Who the fuck does that lame solo/bridge in the bridge? Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
8. Virtually every song has the grubby handprints of a song doctor--yes, the Matrix has been here. So has Michael Penn (though you'd never be able to guess) and others.

Liz is foxy. At her best, she was a snarky cocktease with a dirty mouth and lapsing empathy.

don weiner, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I misread that as lap-teasing empathy. Calum to thread.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really really liked the first 2 LPs, but WCSE was so bad I wasn't even considering buying this.

Aaron A., Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks Don.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

lap-tease sounds just fine IMHO

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"the male gaze": classic or dud?

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The three songs I've heard on her site are just horrifying--they could be anybody, but they've got the withering remains of her name's cred tacked onto them.

Just to make sure, I went back last week and listened to the Girly Sound tapes. 11 years later, they still stun me. I can't think of anyone else of my indie-rock generation who has so completely betrayed his or her talent.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 02:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If you're using the Matrix and Antares Autotune as your output machines, why would you need Liz Phair as input? You could use any random human. (And I love most of her material, not all like Exile, but I play all her albums equally.)

Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 02:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's been a long time since I felt much pride in invoking my no-fi credentials, but the Matrix? Antares Autotune? I have absolutely no idea of what you people are talking about.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Slick-ass producers, John. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;) But these really are the kind of sounds that make you long for a cassette-only release.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No, not all producers. The Matrix are the songwriting team from Avril Lavigne's record. Antares Autotune is the software that retunes vocals, popularized (by being abused, fairly brilliantly) by Cher's "Believe." It's that way that *everything* sounds every now and then in a pop song circa 2002. Compare whitechocolatespacegg and the new stuff and you'll hear it in five seconds.

back to normative pride...

Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

autotune should be wiped out. NO EXCEPTIONS.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Liz Phair is not that foxy! However, I do like a few of her songs on each of her albums though I haven't heard her latest. Is she overrrated? Perhaps. Still, in midst of all the turd like songs she cranks out are a few genuine gems. And, I probably would not fuck her. There a lot of other chicks I'd drop a load on before her.

Flying and Lying, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thank y... nevermind.

jm (jtm), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Exile was classic. Whipsmart was a modest follow up. WCSE had some great songs but suffered from too much filler. The only way this album could suck more is if she decided to start rapping about bitches and mazdas and even then it might be an improvement. The songs I have heard are 100% interchangeable with Avril singing them. But Liz has admitted she's in it for the fame and money and maybe she'll get to be on TRL one day and won't give 2 shits about the critics or past fans.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

writing a half-decent record would have been a good start

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have not heard the new one but could it really be that bad?
She's written some pretty good songs IMHO. Even on White Chocolate there were a couple of good ones (Henry not included)... Big Tall Man, for instance.

ipod, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I quite liked Whitechocolate, far prefer it to Whipsmart really.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think Whitechocolate is weakened a bit by the performances -- it has kind of a generic "session guy" rock sound, and that lets down what are, otherwise, really good songs. Liz has always been a great songwriter. Sigh.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 04:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just downloaded all the new songs from Soulseek, and in the middle of playing the first track, my computer started freaking out badly. I shut it down immediately and deleted the files. Just a heads-up -- I wouldn't put it past these files to have something nasty attached to them.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 05:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"I can't think of anyone else of my indie-rock generation who has so completely betrayed his or her talent."

Agreed.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 19:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If this sounds like Auto-tuned Avril Lavigne, then I'll check it out!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 20:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it is poor poor. poor. it's like the Matrix opened their recycle bin and dragged some tunes into an email and sent them to Liz Phair's manager. very, very bad.

david day (winslow), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 21:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and it will exclude most of her old fans and garner her no new ones. it will bomb. the bomb of the year, perhaps.

david day (winslow), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 21:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

what about the new Jewel?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 21:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like jewel. She gets shit on a lot, but she has songwriting talent [I still like that Race Car Driver song].

A re-styled Phair is the dream of some cigar-smoking VP of marketing, and it will be his demise. What happened to her own stuff? [Now I'm wondering if it ever was her "own"].

david day (winslow), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 21:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but David, have you heard the new single?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 21:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No one in marketing wants anything to do with this rekkid. That's why it's been delayed so many times. And that's why it's going to stiff like an adolescent boner.

FWIW, Phair has been bragging that some legal loophole allowed her to regain the ownership of the Exile masters and the Girlysound tapes. This being the ten year anniverary of that release and all, she's alleging to do an expanded release late in the year.

don weiner, Thursday, 1 May 2003 00:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

LIZ PHAIR JOINS AXIS OF AVRIL

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Thursday, 1 May 2003 01:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

maybe Liz Phair can have Exile and the Girlsound tapes remixed by the Neptunes to improve the songs' profitability in the marketplace.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 01:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

or maybe she could just stuff them up her greedy ass

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 1 May 2003 01:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(did you forget!?)

LIZ PHAIR JOINS AXIS OF AVRIL
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Aaron A., Thursday, 1 May 2003 01:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Um, after someone has resigned themselves to SINGING BACK-UP FOR THE EX-BACK-UP SINGER-TURD known as Sheryl Crow, what the hell did you expect?

Vic (Vic), Thursday, 1 May 2003 02:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I got an advance copy of this, and it is pretty grim. But I didn't like wcse at first and it grew on me. I'm hoping this will too.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 1 May 2003 02:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What transformation was worse? Suzanne Vega to Suzanne Vega 2 or Liz Phair to Liz Phair 2?

Boy Justice, Thursday, 1 May 2003 06:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

SHE SUCKS SHE SUCKS SHE MOTHERFUCKING SUCKS!!

And she's NOT hot.

Evan (Evan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 11:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It is not that bad at all. It has some major clunkers, but it also has some GREAT pop songs. "Extraordinary" and "Why Can't I" are just yummy.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, did Liz ever not have possession of the Girlysound tapes? Or did she license them to Matador at some point?

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well a few of the songs were released on that (Matador) "Juvenelia" EP, so she must have given the go-ahead for that.

I used to wonder if maybe the reason "Girlysound" wasn't released commercially is because so many of the songs are "covers" and/or use elements of other songs, and Matador can't afford to pay all those royalties. But Matador has released at least one all-covers record (Cat Power), so that can't be right. (And I know nothing about the economics of royalties.)

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Liz either sold the rights of the Girlysound tapes to Matador or licensed them, but for some reason I think it was the former. And I don't think her Girlysound tapes contain enough previously copyrighted material that would detract from releasing them.

If you are hard up for Liz info, check the mesmerizing website. Coy little skank that she is.

don weiner, Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

OK, the more I hear about this, the more fascinated I am. The Austin Statesman practically pissed itself saying how fucking awful she was at SXSW. Would somebody who's got the album kindly do a full-out review on this thread? As many people as possible, please. This sounds like the sort of train wreck that can yield all kinds of interesting talk.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm just trying to figure out who was all pantingly awaiting this album in the first place.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

matador made the right move leaving her behind when they split from capitol. boy did they get shafted.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

FWIW, Phair is scheduled to play a "solo acoustic" set opening for The Flaming Lips later in the month, so I'll report on the damage.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Most comments in this thread don't even offer an opinion of the album at hand.

It is very Avril-polished-pop, but I think most of it is great polished-pop.

I have a feeling I'm going to spend the rest of the year very alone when it comes to this album.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This thread began with a succinct opinion of the album at hand, Catherine. Different than yours, but an opinion. And judging from the opinions by people who have heard it, you are the only one calling it great polished pop.

I fear that calling her album a "fucking turd" has led to some confusion.

Let me go track by track so that everyone has a more clear idea what we're talking about here:

1 - "Exraordinary" - this would be a decent Liz Phair song if it was a recognizable Liz Phair song. But they've rubbed her vulnerable personality (or whatever it was circa 1992-3) into something indistinguishable.
2 - "Scared" - a total Avril ripoff with half the heart and half the chops. Liz Phair is not a singer, and her vocal talents are thin. This is being generous. These songs were not written (er, produced) with her in mind, and this song is a perfect example. It sounds like a song that didn't get accepted for Avril's album.
3 - "Why Can't I" - More egregious filler material in the form of overproduction. The cadence of this song is right off Dawson's Creek. It sounds like product placement.The lyrics are even worse.
4 - "You're In Love With Me" - There's all this space age electronica going on in the background of what once could have been a decent song. Picture a 5th-rate Mirwais at the board with a rack of fake guitars and you get the picture.
5 - "Rock Me" - so clean, so polished, so fucking tuneless. At this point, the producting is outright distracting. The chorus is kinda cool, except for the unbelievably trite lyrics. Dude, she talks about Xbox in this song. What-evah.
6 - "Take A Look" - sounds like a whitechocolatespacegg song. I like this song, actually. An album full of this was what I expected.
7 - "My Mother Is Fine" - a pretty sparse song, considering the company on this album. And actually, it would be great if it was even more sparse. But the piano takes it to Gilmore Girls territory.
8 - "Firewalker" - another decent, more traditional Phair song completely smothered by a thousand cooks and a million dollars in the kitchen.
9 - "My Favorite Underwear" - The lyrics are as bad as you think, and the singsong melody is paired with a generic chorus in a fashion that turns this track into something sensationally nondescript. But hey, if you've got a crap song, throw in some "provocative" lyrics and maybe people won't notice the mediocrity.
10 - "It's a War" - this is kind of a fun rock song, in kind of Styx sort of way--kind of that carnival keyboard deal that really ups the pagentry factor and all. Except that Liz Phair's voice has no business being on this song. The lyrics are a disaster--cloying, cliched, zzzzzzzzzzzz.
11 - "Hot White Cum" - The worst song she's ever committed to tape. Maybe this was funny or affecting when she demoed it, but after they autotuned her and let her play with a metronome (or whomever the studio drummer was) they managed suck every bit of life out of this song. Not that it took much. "Hot White Cum"? How charmingly insightful (and oh so coy!) for a 36 year old.
12 - "Bionic Eyes" - led in yet by another daring space age loop, Liz hooks up her deadpan vox with a vapid bunch of verses. The chorus is decent, but the rest of the song sounds like it was put together by a committee reading an instruction book. Strip this song down and it would sound at home on Whip-Smart.
13 - "Friend of Mine" - Another sort of mature, sweet song that sounds like something left off of whitechocolatespacegg. Second best song on the album, but who the fuck thought some sweeping strings (okay, so it's sythns w/chorus effect) would make this better?
14 - "Let the Night Come" - I swear to you, the multitracked harmonies on this track occasionally recall the Carpenters,except of course that we all know Liz is not Karen nor does she have Karen's alto. But I think Sheryl Crow has a couple songs like this in her catalog that turned out better.

There are two problems with this album, and they are obvious: 1) the songs just aren't all that good and 2) the production does not bring out the best of Liz Phair. Instead, it covers it up.

don weiner, Friday, 2 May 2003 02:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe she will tour with Jewel. Rolling Stones "New Wet Dream Tour"

Jake, Saturday, 3 May 2003 01:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

worst journey ever

1967 Dragnet episode (Z S), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

"cocksucker blues" anyone? Metal Machine Music maybe? nah! she couldn't be that smart, amirite?

deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

a song by song response to machine metal music is her next project

buzza, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

called Liz Can't Dance.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think Liz should star and direct a Graffiti Bridge-like movie to tie all these songs together.

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

But her comeback is fucked now that "H.W.C." can't be her "Gett Off."

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes, that is why her comeback is fucked

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

cocksucker blues and metal machine music were both listenable, of course.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

also artists usually drive themselves into the ditch when they're in the middle of the road, not when they've been stuck in their garage for five years

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Holy crap, "Smoke" makes "Bollywood" sound like "Fuck and Run".

Fifi live from gay Paree (staggerlee), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sounds like a SNL parody of something from Beck's Odelay. Horrific.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

I fucking love this song more and more every time I hear it and I need to hear this album ASAP

the aztec mystic pizza (Stevie D), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Bollywood" totally winning me over, but I say this as somebody who feels "This Is Ponderous" is one of the great overlooked singles of my lifetime.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 25 July 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

omg smoke hahahah, this is pretty great. When does this record come out again? Is the whole thing just a string of these goofy cut-up skits lampooning her own life as a washed-up onetime famed person? "I don't know John Mayer... I met him..."

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 25 July 2010 17:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp:

Princess Superstar fronting 2NU.

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kkvgz, Sunday, 25 July 2010 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean granted it's all horrendously dated-sounding but most of the jokes have been funny at least once...I'm in favor of this direction for her.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 25 July 2010 17:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

can't believe the same girl who wrote Shane could've written this new stuff. don't get it.

it's kind of shockingly sad

you gotta have fear in ur heart.

janice (surm), Saturday, 31 July 2010 21:16 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
one year passes...

Hmmm:

"I’m working on a proper rock record, a good, old-school rock record. Finally. I had a lot of issues to work out," Phair says, laughing and slinking into her chair.

"But this record has been a very beautiful experience. I’m not going to screw up the production, either. I’m going to get this one right. I have my head screwed on right. I haven’t been this way in a long time."

She credits her performance in 2010 at the Matador's 21st anniversary concerts in Las Vegas as reinvigorating her approach to music. Phair shared a stage with the likes of Guided by Voices and Yo La Tengo, and even dueted with Ted Leo.

"Oh, my God, what a godsend that was," she says of the experience. "What an amazing homecoming. That ended a whole cycle of pain. It was a rebirth. I remembered who I once was, and they remembered not to hate me so much. They remembered that it’s not all that ferociously awful, what I have done."

As for her new record, Phair says she's targeting a more stripped-down, stark approach. She cites a few artists as inspiration. "I want the production to be kind of Jack White-ish, Ryan Adams-ish, that style of production," she says. "I want it to sound (messed)-up, but at a level of mastery that is respectable."

And for those still confused by the scattershot production of "Funstyle," which ranged from Bollywood to spoken-word goofiness, get over it. There's more where that came from, but Phair is now reticent to release it.

"I was going to do ‘Funstyle,’ ‘Funnerstyle’ and Funnererstyle.’ I’ve got all these songs, but I can’t handle people freaking out," she says. "There’s just all this bad material that really ought to be heard at some point."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:37 (five years ago) Permalink

"I had a lot of issues to work out."

god

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:38 (five years ago) Permalink

I want the production to be kind of Jack White-ish, Ryan Adams-ish, that style of production,

god

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:38 (five years ago) Permalink

"There’s just all this bad material that really ought to be heard at some point."

This is why we need publicists.

Cunga, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:40 (five years ago) Permalink

"I can't think of anyone else of my indie-rock generation who has so completely betrayed his or her talent."

ahhhh old ILM

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:42 (five years ago) Permalink

I thought that was said about Alex Chilton?

nickn, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Greil Marcus re: Rod Stewart iirc

a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:45 (five years ago) Permalink

Google says you're right, but I remember reading that said about Chilton many years ago.

nickn, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:46 (five years ago) Permalink

The beginning of this thread is still so gross to me.

I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:48 (five years ago) Permalink

we'll always butthurt fans

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:49 (five years ago) Permalink

we'll always have butthurt fans too

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Are there any fervent Liz Phair fans remaining? Seems like every fan horrified by the realization that um actually she was Sheryl Crow -- that EIG represents the inevitability of recording with no money instead of an ethos -- is a dumb straight guy.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:53 (five years ago) Permalink

fervent FEMALE fans, I should say. I need dinner.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:53 (five years ago) Permalink

Seems like every fan horrified by the realization that um actually she was Sheryl Crow -- that EIG represents the inevitability of recording with no money instead of an ethos -- is a dumb straight guy.

I want to take issue with this statement, but I just haven't listened closely enough to her later albums to feel like I'd be on solid footing. (Never even heard the one that Christgau loved and everyone else compared to Avril Lavigne.) I do know that there's nothing on albums #2 and #3 that come anywhere close to "Divorce Song" or "Fuck and Run" for me--some good songs, but not close. None of which rules out me being a dumb straight guy.

clemenza, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Agreed on Whip-Smart but WCSE is close to her best album: a Sheryl Crow production with Liz Phair songs. I can't listen to "Divorce Song" without thinking of "Go On Ahead," "Uncle Alvarez," or at half a dozen WCSE tracks as sequels.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:16 (five years ago) Permalink

i.e. the continuing story of a self-aware woman who likes sex but loves her son and is trying to fit into situations she's outgrown

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:16 (five years ago) Permalink

btw clem I'm reacting to the angst expressed at the beginning of this thread, started in 2003. I'm surprised that even in 2003 fans couldn't see that a novelty song about hot white cum was the means by which Liz Phair scored her biggest commercial coup.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:20 (five years ago) Permalink

oddly, i think what i find disappointing about every album after 'exile' is how confident and professional her singing sounds. what i like about 'exile' is how tuneless and weird she sounds on almost every track, like the almost drone-y tone she gets on 'flower.' i love those unexpected phrasings and random emphases: "and BOXED it up and buried it in the GROUND."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Hmm. She still has an uncertain relation to pitch up until 2005 to my ears.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:27 (five years ago) Permalink

I'll grab WCSE for the car tomorrow. When Scott and I did that Facebook thing, there was some interesting commentary on how severe the backlash against her was. (You just quoted one of my favourite lines from "Divorce Song"--that and "I guess I already am."

clemenza, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:30 (five years ago) Permalink

Give it another shot.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:44 (five years ago) Permalink

i repped for the 2003 album lots when it came out, but i can't really get into most of it anymore. i do like most of 'whip-smart.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 01:09 (five years ago) Permalink

I was going to do ‘Funstyle,’ ‘Funnerstyle’ and 'Funnererstyle'

just... wow

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 11:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I've never known any artist ever that had more people go "I know exactly what she *should* be doing, and I will immediately stop her from doing what she *is* doing in favour of my vision" than her.

Fairly, unfairly, correctly or no, I have no idea, I only heard "Fuck and Run" by her...

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 11:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I keep waiting for her to do the inevitable kids album. The press release and reviews would pretty much write themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg055XfRnzY

dlp9001, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:09 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Ten years since the release of the eponymous album. Fabulous interview: http://noisey.vice.com/blog/the-other-liz-phair-anniversary-this-week

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink

I remember my A&R guy was Ron Laffitte and he was like, “Well, what would you do differently?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp9PGzGroMc

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Good interview! Got me to check that record out for the first time. Really baffling that so much fuss was made - it's not a dramatic shift away from whitechocolatespaceegg and despite some kind of wince-inducing production choices here and there, and a couple of plodding numbers that never find a shape ("Friend of Mine") the songwriting totally feels like vintage Liz.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 29 June 2013 03:11 (four years ago) Permalink

"Why Can't I?" is surprisingly durable.

Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 June 2013 07:25 (four years ago) Permalink

My favorite track from that album is Red Light Fever.

how's life, Saturday, 29 June 2013 11:13 (four years ago) Permalink

I interviewed her after this album came out and she told me she was just happy to hear her songs played at the gym.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2013 13:58 (four years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

actually, Funstyle is great.

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:07 (two months ago) Permalink


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