Kristin Hersh (solo) - C/D, S/D, OPO, RFD, &c.

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First two albums are classic, sez me, especially Strange Angels.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sunny Border Blue is excellent, too.

Search:
"Your Dirty Answer," "37 Hours," "Candyland"

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wasn't as keen on the second album, but top marks for the first one. I rate it better than any Throwing Muses albums.

Chewshabdoo, Monday, 28 April 2003 18:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Throwing Muses is another championship. It's a completely different ball game, I would say.
On the acoustic singer/songwriter field, Kristin takes the cup everytime. All of their solo albums are good, but Hips and Makers is indeed best.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Monday, 28 April 2003 18:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I loved Hips and Makers to death until I got Strange Angels, and then I couldn't let that go. Really couldn't, to the point where I've still not gotten into Sunny Border Blue because I just keep putting Strange Angels on when I want to hear her. Good problem to have, though.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 28 April 2003 18:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hips and Makers and Strange Angels are both classic, Sky Motel is the weakest. I haven't listened to Sunny Border Blue enough to place it, lately I've been playing The Grotto. But there is nothing she has done that you could possibly call dud. Never miss an opportunity to see her live. Speaking of which, if you really lurve Kristin, go to the 4AD website and order the live CD they have by her. It's two discs and it's fantastic, from Spring 1998. Also the Strings EP is essential for Uncle June and Aunt Kiyoti and The Key (I think in the UK they're only on the Your Ghost EP).

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hips and Makers is one of my favorite albums ever; for the longest time I was disappointed by Strange Angels because it just couldn't measure up to its predecessor, but it grew on me and now I consider it to be a pretty solid album. I liked Sky Motel's back-to-electric vibe but the songs weren't there; I don't think KH really didn't regain her bearings until Sunny Border Blue, which ended up being my second favorite album of hers.

As for The Grotto... uh... I've tried to listen to it but it's so meek and timid that it barely registers. It's like she put all her energy into the Throwing Muses album and had none left for this one. I'll keep listening to it, but I'm not confident that it'll end up being a favorite.

Nick Mirov (nick), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I The Holy Single.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 28 April 2003 23:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I love The Holy Single, I mean)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 28 April 2003 23:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the first track on the new one completely kills me

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hips and Makers still does it for me. I don't know whether it captures a period or a time or whatever for me but I still think it's the best thing she's ever done in or out of the Muses.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
...and now continuing the thread a bit, if you've not heard the Strings EP, which consists of a Martin McCarrick-arranged string section working with Hersh on rerecordings of four Hips and Makers songs, you have no idea how you're missing out. It's absolutely wonderful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yes, those are the definitive versions of those songs to me, particularly Me and My Charms.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I liked "Your Ghost" a lot; Michael Stipe sounds like a pedophile on it. (I was a Tanya Donnelly fan when the Muses were around)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, maybe y'all can trainspot a tune of hers (I think??!!) for me. '93-'94-ish, big, BIG string quartet, and lyrics along the lines of:

"you don't inspire / a metric tonne of trust"

and

"and we dance all night"

It's been ear-worming on me these past few days.

Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"The Key"

Si Carter (Si Carter), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That would be "The Key," which originally appeared in the UK on the Your Ghost EP and in the States on the American version of Strings.

Bah xpost!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks!

Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

see! i was right!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


yeah fhazel OTM.

jergins (jergins), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

me likes *some* of that children's songs rekkid also.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

But at heart you are a child, my dear Balt. (I am a zygote.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you keep your zygote zipped, ol' ned, or else i'll call me mum!!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pervert. To the western islands with you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Anyway, I did finally get a copy of said kid's record Murder, Misery and then Goodnight -- sitting around used at my fave record store, sorta much to my surprise as I'd never seen a copy anywhere, and used at that! Really enjoyable, actually, and on relistens might yet be one of her best albums, but I'll have to see how that goes...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 01:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ahh, I've been trying to find that for ages!

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Thursday, 9 June 2005 01:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's available from emusic, if that helps.

dlp9001, Thursday, 9 June 2005 02:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sky Motel has, over the past year or so, become one of my all-time favorite records

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 03:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Her just released 'Learn to Sing Like a Star' joins Hips & Makers, Sunny Border Blue and Sky Motel as my top 4 - all equal #1, of course.

It's really REALLY good.

gutpageant (Sans Sushi), Monday, 29 January 2007 11:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

current #1 on metacritic too

I think I'm gonna make this year the one I finally get round to investigating Kristin's post-'Strange Angels' (which I didn't like much) solo stuff. Starting here, and 'Murder, Misery and then Goodnight' which I've been meaning to get for too long. Only recently discovered the pretty damn great 50Ft Wave record...

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 01:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I just played a track off of thi on the radio! Didn't even know it was out. It was good. I need to listen to the whole thing to see if it comes close to Hips & Makers, which is still my fave.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 01:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

First impressions:

1. Relentlessly downbeat (even for Kristin). Veering close to self parody at times.
2. Dave Narcizo drums on nearly all the tracks. This helps make the overall sound a lot closer to Throwing Muses than most Hersh solo LPs have been (a plus for me). I like the string arrangements too.
3. A couple of good tunes, but no obvious standout tracks.
4. Her voice is completely shot these days. Does this make the album title ironic?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm so embarrassed i haven't heard any kristin solos. really big on throwing muses - it's kind of exciting tho cuz i have this whole world to discover.

the world of kristin. alone.

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

where should i start?

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink


I've never really been able to get into her solo stuff all that much. I'm hoping this new one will be more up my alley.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Start @ the beginning, sur - Hips & Makers. JBR OTM wrt that & Strange Angels being her solo peaks (tho Sky Motel's pretty good in a University-era TM manner, if I'm remembering it right). The other stuff - Sunny Border Blue, The Grotto, that olde tyme Murder, Mystery OOP CD, & zee new one - I can't speak on so much.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Start @ the beginning, sur - Hips & Makers. JBR OTM wrt that & Strange Angels being her solo peaks (tho Sky Motel's pretty good in a University-era TM manner, if I'm rememb

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thanks!

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

WTF is up w/ ILX cutting me off half-way thru posts?!?!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lol it 1.5x ur post

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

4. Her voice is completely shot these days. Does this make the album title ironic?

Yeah, I have a 2005 live recording by her and it's a bit sad to hear her settling into her late-70's Marianne Faithful phase.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i dunno i mean her voice has always been about how she uses it, right? how bad can it get?

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

But it was always clear and not gravelly. I'm a bit afraid of what it sounds like on the new album but the praise on this thread is giving me some hope.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

IMO, her voice hasn't always been clear - in fact, in my mind, one of the defining characteristics of her voice has been not necessarily gravelly but

scratchy, for lack of a better word. like it always made sense to me that she sang about kissing gravel on Limbo.

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If you like "scratchy" then you'll love how she sounds these days!

You're right in that she is fairly limited, vocally ... she doesn't have much range, so her voice is easily stretched. This isn't a bad thing, mind you (it gives the songs a "gutsy" quality), and for the most part she can sing powerfully enough to pull it off. But now, she sounds hoarse even the middle of her range.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i see

no but totally not a bad thing - i always LIKED the "gutsy" stretching stuff

lots of character

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Start with "Sunny Border Blue" then work back then go with the post SBB albums (Muses and solo).

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Has her voice changed much compared to the 50 Ft Wave full-length?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

throwing muses are my 2nd favorite band of all time. i think. right? yeah.

i have to hear the 50 ft wave.

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You can get a free 50 Ft Wave album off her website (throwingmusic.com).

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've just been listening to my tape of Hips & Makers again. What features or tracks does anyone now think is good about it?

...and now continuing the thread a bit, if you've not heard the Strings EP, which consists of a Martin McCarrick-arranged string section working with Hersh on rerecordings of four Hips and Makers songs, you have no idea how you're missing out. It's absolutely wonderful.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005

I haven't heard this for years, if ever, but I think Raggett is right. There was this STUNNING song called 'The Key' way back when (1994?) - did it appear on that ep? don't know - but if she did more work like that then I would like to have it.

the pinefox, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Kristin Hersh is a working mother, with an unusual job.

the pinefox, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Lots of lines (and the delivery thereof) worth treasuring on H&M.

I've been on the other side of the Blue Ridge, seen the Shenandoah rolling there

Start with your eyes when they eye me in twilight

I fell to the bottom of Thales' well, caught like a thief with a lamb

Love Kristin, P.S.: Keep them coming

Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

"The Key" is on the American release of the Strings EP, but not the UK one. In the UK, it was on the Your Ghost single. Also "Uncle June and Aunt Kiyoti" which is equally amazing.

f. hazel, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i guess the comparison to Johnny Cash musta been made before now, but i'm only putting the words together in my mind now. it makes a lot of sense.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 15:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I've unexpectedly found myself back into Hips & Makers after all these years. I revisited with it around 2001 but couldn't really bring it into a present context at that time, it was more about memories for me. This time it's resonating with me in the present moment. It's funny that I always tend to think of it as an good album with a few really standout tracks, but in reality it all hangs together very well and feels very complete, like taking a journey through different parts of a forest or something.

I was so disappointed in Strange Angels that I quit paying attention to her work at all after that. The way I remember it, the songs that appear on Hips & Makers are ones she'd been saving up for years.

Haven't heard this Strings EP mentioned upthread...will have to track it down.

Also this line especially gets me - "I've been on the other side of the Blue Ridge, seen the Shenandoah rolling there" because I grew up in Virginia and it makes me remember the mountains there.

I wonder who his history bitches are and if they approve (Bimble), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Strange Angels isn't all that bad, although it is a let down after Hips & Makers, which she's never really come close to in her solo work since then IMO

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

see i thought h+m was patchy - stuff like beestung and velvet days i find a bit trite. prefer the grotto, sunny border blue and learn to sing like a star. her current track-a-month-to-download output is pretty great too.

joe, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Going to restate that Strange Angels is (to me) far superior to Hips and Makers. It's her best album, in fact.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 18:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

ooooh the strings version of Sundrops! WOAH! WOAH!

which was a bit synth-cheese-tastic for my tastes (Bimble), Friday, 3 July 2009 19:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Have you listened to Uncle June and Aunt Kiyoti yet? Or the Key?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 3 July 2009 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

sky motel still my favorite, hugely underrated

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Friday, 3 July 2009 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

Listening to the Key now. Poor Mike Kozelek, he's just not QUITE as good as her. Not QUITE. Almost, though. He just edges it.

which was a bit synth-cheese-tastic for my tastes (Bimble), Friday, 3 July 2009 21:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Whoops! MARK Kozelek, of course.

which was a bit synth-cheese-tastic for my tastes (Bimble), Friday, 3 July 2009 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Anyone read Rat Girl yet?

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 13:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

not published yet, is it?

akm, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oops — perhaps. A close friend of hers told me she was half way through it. Probably an advance copy.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yep, you're right. Amazon has it coming out Aug. 31.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've got it on reserve at my library. I may be the only one, and it looks like the county library system is getting three copies.

a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ha, I did the same thing. Only one library in Rhode Island has reserved it so far.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

So this interview with Hersh is beyond kickass.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 August 2010 20:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

100 pages into Rat Girl and I can't recommend it enough. So endearing.

john. a resident of chicago., Friday, 5 November 2010 00:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

I really need to buy that book.

Sunn O))) Sundae Smile (Trayce), Friday, 5 November 2010 01:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

UK title: Paradoxical Undressing. The book version of her latest album is really good as well!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 November 2010 03:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Good interview in the Guardian:
"Yeah, I hate music. Everyone knows that about me. Even my kids hate music. When they're watching a kids' show on TV, as soon as a song comes on, the TV is muted." She reconsiders. "Maybe hate is the wrong word. We can't bear it. The intensity of good music is too much to bear. And bad music is so offensive that that's also too much to bear. I'm in heaven when it's good, but that doesn't happen very often. And anyway, you don't want to be crying over the breakfast table. I don't want that life."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/aug/22/kristin-hersh-memoir-interview-edinburgh

john. a resident of chicago., Thursday, 25 August 2011 12:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

i interviewed kristin in 2007 and she told me the same thing. sadly i can't seem to find the article i wrote about her online at the moment. love her, of course -- i might even like the solo stuff more than the muses.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

For anyone interested, there are still a few copies of Kristin's 2015 Record Store Day single 'Sundrops'/'The Cuckoo' available via the label's website (heliospheric.co.uk).

It was only released in the UK, so this is the best chance for US and European fans to get hold of a copy before they all go. The two songs are acoustic versions recorded for a never-broadcast local radio session in 1994 while Kristin was in the UK touring 'Hips and Makers', and have never been released until now. They are fab and all KH fans should hear them!

strangeangel, Friday, 1 May 2015 07:05 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Wyatt At The Coyote Palace streaming now at NPR:

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/27/499145143/first-listen-kristin-hersh-wyatt-at-the-coyote-palace

Jeff W, Saturday, 29 October 2016 18:12 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Saw her in Cambridge MA tonight. I haven't followed her work in a decade but it was a great voice and guitar performance with lots of anecdotes and poetry between songs.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 19 December 2016 02:41 (one year ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

oh shit new throwing muses AND new solo kristin hersh next year (I really need to renew my lapsed subscription)

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 1 December 2017 16:37 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

aforementioned new solo tracks are arriving; this has a bit of a "Rubidoux" feel https://pitchfork.com/news/kristin-hersh-announces-new-album-shares-new-song-listen/

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:49 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.normanrecords.com/records/172053-kristin-hersh-possible-dust-clouds

(Shocked to see it isn't on 4ad ... but perhaps she hasn't been with them for years??)

djh, Thursday, 4 October 2018 22:01 (two months ago) Permalink

think her last 4AD release was Learn to Sing Like a Star in 2007 (or the Throwing Muses Anthology in 2011)

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 4 October 2018 23:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Haven't really been paying attention (obviously).

djh, Friday, 5 October 2018 06:10 (two months ago) Permalink

and a UK tour next March: https://www.kristinhersh.com/appearances/

including a few places off the usual tour circuit, such as my home town - hooray! I confess I have also not been paying attention but perhaps this is a good motivator to do so

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 5 October 2018 10:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh wow, KH at the Phil (ok, not the pub) in L'pool in March sounds like it's worth a trip. Almost the 30th anniversary of seeing the Muses for the first time in L'pool. Jeez.

I doubt I can get to Rough Trade East after work in three weeks' time for that appearance.

Michael Jones, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:03 (two months ago) Permalink

x-post. Thanks for the tip-off re the shows, Spacecadet. The Holywell Music Room in Oxford seems a tiny venue for her but having checked Wegottickets sales seem fairly stagnant. That said, I hadn't noticed anything about the show.

djh, Saturday, 6 October 2018 16:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Ooh, I'm ready for new stuff. Strange Angels and Sky Motel have been sounding so good to me recently. Don't know why I never spent much time with the latter.

geoffreyess, Saturday, 6 October 2018 22:30 (two months ago) Permalink

sky motel is so damn good

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:00 (two months ago) Permalink

this is a good album. is she even capable of making a bad album? I've never heard one.

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 03:15 (two months ago) Permalink

like, all muses albums, all her solo albums, the 50 ft Wave stuff...all of it's great. some greater than the rest obviously but I will always listen to one of her records all the way through.

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 03:16 (two months ago) Permalink

btw did she play everything on this? I can't find any decent credits or liners online. Who sings backup on Halfway Home (my favorite on the album; I listened to that on repeat 4x yesterday)

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 22:56 (two months ago) Permalink

if you ask her on twitter she'll probably tell you!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 8 October 2018 04:04 (two months ago) Permalink

My song of the day was "Gin". I heard it on a radio podcast walking home after work without knowing who it was and I thought I know that voice from when it was not as broken (which is by no means bad). Great song which catapulted me back into the early nineties. The Throwing Muses was one of the first indie bands I got to know. In the podcast the radio dj said something about her being bipolar. I hope the music helps her to get through the day.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 8 October 2018 18:42 (two months ago) Permalink

she did a recent interview where she said it turns out she was not bipolar, she has some kind of deep PTSD from childhood that manifests in different ways, mainly through music; and that she often has no recollection of writing songs, performing them live, or even knows what they mean.

akm, Monday, 8 October 2018 19:43 (two months ago) Permalink

"Gin" is great yeah; my favourite from the new LP.

btw did she play everything on this? I can't find any decent credits or liners online. Who sings backup on Halfway Home?
Mostly all done by Kristin but there are five other credited performers, three drummers and two bass players - one of which, Chris Brady, is also credited with backing vocals.

Jeff W, Monday, 15 October 2018 11:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I should go buy this rather than listening off apple music.

akm, Monday, 15 October 2018 16:39 (one month ago) Permalink

the new album is incredibly good, glad Sky Motel was brought up because it's the clear predecessor here

("Gin" is from the Crooked sessions from when it was called Speedbath, FWIW; maybe one day we'll get "Around Dusk" released)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:37 (one month ago) Permalink

(actually, "Gin" was intended to be a Throwing Muses song? or at least it was back then https://www.kristinhersh.com/gin/)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:33 (one month ago) Permalink


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