"old albums" or "what time periods are best represented in your collection"?

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there's probably been quite a few threads where this was discussed, but anyway...

just wondering if any of the other ILXers are as unintersted in buying old albums as i am (i'm not talking about canonical albums, necessarily). why exactly should i bother with some hoary old rock "classic" when there are plenty of current bands who will provide me with a poppier, more enjoyable, more contemporary take on the oldsters?

Generally, i'd be faced with a choice. i'd read a review, or get a recommendation of a current rec saying "Really great dreamy electronica!" or "Fantastic hook-laden pop songs!" and i'd know that there is a 95% chance that a purchase would be money well-spent. or else i could buy some "essential" old album. experience has taught me that this will prob result in me hauling my way through something i have no interest in out of a duty to have some older recs in my collection.

i'd be interested to know what periods of time are best represented in your collection. i'd like someone to make a convincing case as to why i should be listening to more old records, too.

don't get me wrong, i listen to and enjoy a few old albums, and i'm not prejudiced against them from the off. it's just, more often than not, i'm disappointed...

opinions, please...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

It varies from genre to genre:

Rock: probably the 80's (unfortunately)
Salsa: 70's and 90's (because I started buying what was available at the chains in the 90's, and most of my back catalog purchases have focused on "classic" 70's salsa)
Arabic music: probably the 60's (unfortunately--since the 40's and 50's are better, in my view)
Jazz: 60's
R&B/Soul: 70's
Other: not sure

I have kind of the opposite experience: I am usually disappointed with current albums. I don't know if I care enough to try to convince you to listen to older material. If I preferred newer material, then that's what I would want to listen to as well.

In my case though (since I'm 37), many of the older albums came out when I was a kid, so they don't seem as old as things that were released before I was born. Lately I've been wanting to buy CDs by Neil Young, Black Sabbath, the Kinks, David Bowie, the Carpenters, etc. all stuff I have been exposed to already.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 28 April 2003 12:22 (twenty years ago) link

Personally most of my stuff is pretty much based in the 70's. Mainly because it is a very hectic and diverse period, 71 onwards very rock, mid 70's a fantastic array of funk came through and as the decade began to close punk, hip-hop and new wave from accross both sides of the Atlantic came through (this is a generalised breakdown of the decade so PLEASE don't read too much in to it)

So why is most of my stuff from that period, in truth it isn't a conscious pursuit of the decade more that the modern takes of older styles just lack something crucial, i think we live in a relatively sanitised time - "back in the days" there was a lot of social and political up heaval and i believe this created a diversity in music that had power and emotion, i think it is this i react to.

james (james), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

Ha, I know exactly what you mean. I used to trawl through 'canonical' stuff to see what the fuss was about loads, didn't get it, couldn't relate to it, and shied away from older stuff for a few years. Recently I've got more balanced; while most of the stuff I listen to is 'new', that's just becasue a; I write about new stuff at Stylus, and b; it's new so it's totally new so it's new to everyone so there's more new stuff being newly released so it's about now, blah, etcetera, it's new. Older stuff that I've revisited I've either been able to get into much more, because being that bit older and with that slightly broader palette I can seewhat the good things were about it, or else I can definitely decide that something does little for me and not be worried about the history and gravitas of it.

As for what constitutes most of my collection; stuff from 1995 onwards, largely, growing each year until now. I imagine I've got way more 00s albums than 80s albums, and more 90s than anything else (just cos that was the period of me being between 10-20), but in another three years or so the 00s will have taken over.

Had an amusing thought the other day; after a point about midway through 2001, indie and mainstream guitar-based pop/rock music seems to almost completely dry up in my collection.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ha, and that's when I finished uni!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

1978-1982

Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

hm...

"why exactly should i bother with some hoary old rock "classic" when there are plenty of current bands who will provide me with a poppier, more enjoyable, more contemporary take on the oldsters? "

I can understand that attitude to a point, but i really don't share it. i still get excited about new music, but usually it's only a handful of active bands or a couple particular 'scenes' at a time, often bands I get to see live on a regular basis. plus i'm generally at least interested, if not necessarily excited (though i sometimes am) about what's going on in modern pop and hip hop.

but i would find it difficult to buy as many new albums as i buy old ones (and believe me, I've tried). there's just so so so much out there that was before my time, or that I missed the first time. I don't really feel an obligation to be up on the 'canon' and own the classics, unless I already have an interest in the artist. so while I might get bored if I was just waiting around for the next new thing to catch my ear, there's always something from the past that I've been meaning to check out and am happy to make time for, be it some SST chestnut or an Elvis Costello album I don't have yet.

also, I've noticed while looking at my CD collection that the ones that I truly have no interest in listening to again (though I simply don't have the heart to sell) are generally things I bought when they were new, partly because they were 'new'. not sure what that means exactly, besides maybe that I don't like the risk of buying new releases by artists I don't already love, because it's not as safe as buying something old that there is already an understanding of its value. and i really really don't trust reviews by pretty much anyone about anything, so I find it difficult to take anyone else's word on what to check out.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 April 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

"why exactly should i bother with some hoary old rock "classic" when there are plenty of current bands who will provide me with a poppier, more enjoyable, more contemporary take on the oldsters?"

Out of curiousity, to what "new" bands are you referring?


earlnash, Monday, 28 April 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

other than the right now, for single years I would guess 1995 is the most represented, since that was the year I graduated HS and in lieu of going straight to university I worked and lived in my parents' basement, which meant that 100% of my income was disposable. Cigarettes and beer were a lot cheaper then, and I spent about half of every paycheque at the record store.

though the 30s, 40s, and 50s are also up there what with my olden blues and early rockaroll stuff.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

shold also note very very very little 60s or 70s stuff.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

ï only buy old music mostly 1977-1983 but also some sixties of various kind (soul, garage, soft rock, outsider)

Jens (brighter), Monday, 28 April 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

My collection is probably heavily heavily slanted towards the '70s. I'm familiar with the "I bought it cuz it was 'new' and now can't remember what I ever liked about it in the first place" phenomenon, so I end up selling that crap and end up keeping older stuff because I keep finding other historical paths to go down...

But the 70s have the widest array of stuff that appeals to me and that I'm still hunting down and exploring: glam, funk, rock, jazz, punk, country, krautrock, dub, power pop... so much stuff was bubbling in the 70s, a lot of the music sticks with me. I still buy a lot of new stuff too, but when I'm just browsing and being a "completist", more often than not I end up looking for stuff recorded between 1968-1982.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 April 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

Thinking of the recent albums that are held most dear -- no matter how much they are enjoyed -- don't reflect the leveling perspective that only time can provide. Great albums will always be great -- and quite possibly, only a small percentage of the "new stuff" will have enough leggs to be reverred beyond the next decade.

My stuff:
1/3 Rock 1950s-Current (includes R&B & Soul)
1/3 Jazz 1920s-1970s (includes Blues)
1/3 Country 1920s-1970s (includes Folk and indigenous)

christoff (christoff), Monday, 28 April 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

I think I have a majority of 90s albums despite liking music from earlier times better. Probably has something to do with the CD age, and the availability of 90s material compared to 70s or 80s material.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 28 April 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

I have no idea. I've never even thought about it that much. Let's just say I've probably got more old stuff in my library then new. I'm 20 now, and I started seriously buying music when I was 14. I wanted to hear EVERYTHING that was good, so I read reviews and stuff like the AMG religiously to find out what was good. And old was good. I mean, when you start actively listening at such a late date, you've got a lotta history to catch up with, right?

When pushed though, I think the 70s takes up the biggest space in my collection (more so if you count my vinyl).

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 28 April 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

Kilian, I've got to say I'm the opposite - I buy way more old stuff, and only the occasional new album.

Out of the last two dozen or so CDs I bought, only one came out this year and that was by a bloke in his sixties (Wayne Shorter - 'Alegria'). At the moment I'm getting more country and jazz than anything, mostly from the 50s, 60s and 70s. As for rock, I probably buy at least twice as much stuff from the 60s or 70s as anything more recent.

Having said that, because I started buying records in 1980, I've obviously got a ton of stuff from the 80s and a fair bit from the 90s. I reckon my collection breaks down like this:

20s - very little - the odd Louis Armstrong, Jimmie Rodgers, Bessie Smith LP or tape
30s - again, not much, some blues, country, jazz
40s - bit more jazz, blues, country, some early Sinatra
50s - I reckon well over 100 albums, as well as the 3 genres mentioned above there's obviously rock 'n' roll and soul coming in.
60s - in the hundreds, loads of rock too
70s - probably more than the 60s - I think I've got more here than any other decade, particularly rock and soul
80s - the decade I really started getting into music, tons of alternative rock
90s - less than the 80s, by now I was buying more back catalogue
00s - still buy new stuff, but mostly by old fuckers.

To some extent it might be a genre thing. There's plenty of interesting things going on now in rock, pop, dance, whatever. But if you want to listen to country you're better off investigating Merle Haggard or the Louvin Brothers than what comes out of Nashville nowadays. And I'm hearing a lot of jazz albums from the 60s that still sound musically adventurous to these ears.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 28 April 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

49%=60s 49%=70s 1%=90s 1%=other

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Monday, 28 April 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

i tend not to deliberately retrace and buy stuff i've "lived through" unless i made a major mistake in avoiding something, or just plain missed it. if i see something for a buck i might pick it up.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

60% pre-Britney
40% post-Britney

Adam A. (Keiko), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

'98 - '01 (when I spent the most money on new records)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

But Adam, Britney isn't over.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

mostly '60s, '70s, and '80s, with a strong emphasis on the '70s.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

The old are set in their ways and the youngsters suck. Therefore, destroy music. (Repeat as needed.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

er..?

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

why exactly should i bother with some hoary old rock "classic" when there are plenty of current bands who will provide me with a poppier, more enjoyable, more contemporary take on the oldsters?

ha ha, see i sorta feel the opposite, why should i bother to keep up w. new stuff when there's all this old stuff that's [value judgmement suspended] that i can get cheaper?

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

or more expensive, depending on collectability

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

if it's expensive i don't buy it, that's like, the point

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

that really is my main criterion for record buying, cheap stuff. it sounds pretty lame i know but it works for me, i've ended up w. a pretty good record collection.

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

no i understand that. up to a point i do the same, really.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link


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