The Ramones : Classic Or Dud

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I have to stick with the conventional view that the first three albums are uber-classic and Road to Ruin merely very good.

Especially what do you reckon about 80's and 90's Ramones? I've been listening to disc 2 of the Anthology and whilst it's pretty poor in comparison with the '76/77 bruddas, I'm still enjoying it. Sounds like they were trying really hard for a HUGE stadium anthem for most of the '80s, along with crap-but-fun attempts at thrash-metal, doo-wop metal, synth-pop-metal etc.

Hey Ho, let's go....

Dr. C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Doc: you're going into FAR more detail than I could, and as usual I can only admire the erudition. But my position would be a bit more critical of the band in general. I can't see how they were worth more than a couple of 45s, really. Too limited, too little interest in songwriting, as far as I can see.

the pinefox, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Never liked them. Same thing with The Clash, some irritating quality which I find hard to define. But definitely overrated.

Omar, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The fact that the first two albums leave me indifferent yet I consider 'Rocket to Russia' utter classic, even though they're all THE SAME ALBUM, was a useful education for me in the theory and practice of minimalism.

tarden, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm mostly the predictable old school fan - 1st-3-are-classics, "Road to Ruin" & the Phil Spector one (Phil Spector produced it, big deal, how could you tell if it didn't say so on the cover) & "Subterranean Jungle" are real good too, the rest has its moments but I never bought any of it. My only slight heresy is that the *2nd* album & not the more conventional choices (1st, 3rd) is my favourite. Reason - colour of cover. Sky-blue album covers make me feel happy & optimistic.

duane, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Comparing them to the Clash, man that gives me some insight into why Europeans (except the French) don't care about rock&roll any more - 'cause they never quite got it in the 1st place.

duane, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Well, I didn't actually compare them with The Clash, just said that *as* with The Clash some hard-to-pinpoint quality irritates me. Always prefered The Stooges over The Ramones.

Omar, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

appearences in Hard Core Logo _and_ Pet Semetary = Classic! one, two, three four...

Geoff, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Dislike the first album for the left/right production, still a classic band, hmmm, yeah.

james e l, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I love the left/right production. Try listening to nothing but the bass out of one speaker...it's fantastic!

Michael Bourke, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

So simple it's brilliant. Getting every album would be beyond insane, but as mentioned those first four are pretty damn well genius. The one with Phil Spector should have been great, but alas.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox sez - "too little interest in songwriting".

You're very much OFF the money there, Pinefox. Will explain why in detail later on.

Dr. C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hooray! Can't wait. (Can't begin to imagine what your argument might be, either.)

the pinefox, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Puritanists. Not much mystique in that...

Jason, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Comparing them to the Clash, man that gives me some insight into why Europeans (except the French) don't care about rock&roll any more - 'cause they never quite got it in the 1st place.

Can't quite figure out whether that's a putdown of the Clash, or the Ramones, or neither, or both - and I'm not even European !

Patrick, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They never really made a credible album again after TOO TOUGH TO DIE (and even that was marginal), but did manage to achieve greatness with the odd track every now and again ("Tomorrow She Goes Away" off MONDO BIZARRO, for example, was grade A). Still, the first four albums...let alone IT'S ALIVE (which I maintain is the only album you'd ever need by the band) cement them as a classic, Classic, CLASSIC! Gabba Gabba Hey!

alex in nyc, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Don't tell me that Dr C has realized that the Ramones did, indeed, have little interest in songwriting...

the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

It's too bad the Ramones have become such an institution in our punk worshipping age that no one can really talk about them frankly. I like em but they are sort of a gimmick

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Just hang on, Pinefox - I'll get to it.

Dr. C, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"It's too bad the Ramones have become such an institution in our punk worshipping age that no one can really talk about them frankly. I like em but they are sort of a gimmick "

They became an institution for a reason, Mike. They admittedly worked the gimmick angle (certainly no more so than, say, the much-fawned over White Stripes), but I risk flogging the very obvious point by saying they did it *FIRST*! Respect is due. As for frankness, I don't believe anyone is saying their later work is as significant as their seminal first few albums.

alex in nyc, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The fact that we're even debating this point is shocking, although no accounting for taste, etc., and some people will offer an argument for anything. CLASSIC, ok?

Sean, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hey, nobody ever said the Ramones were automatically perfect...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox sez : "Too little interest in songwriting".

To me this is so far wide of the mark that it completely misses what early-Ramones are all about. The analogies with Brill building and early 60's girlpop songcraft has been trotted out so often wrt The Ramones that it's tempting to dismiss it out-of-hand. There is some truth in it though - I can hear the Shangri-La's, say, in I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend or Babysitter. That's not to say that this automatically makes the Ramones good, of course.

But they're better than good - they're masters. Their best songs are great because they are lean and simple - there's nothing that shouldn't be there. Couple this with a simple melodic hook(nothing fancy - 4 chords max. and another 2 for the middle 8) and a propulsive beat, and you have something irresistable. Add some elements of The Ramones 'own world' imagery (pick from : NY street images, retards, 'nam casualties, glue, girls)and you have genius.

Take "Glad to see you Go" from Leave Home - straight into a Beach Boys/Eddie Cochrane morphed melody and just listen to the way that the song shifts gear slightly on lines 3 and 4 of the verse as Tommy closes the high-hat a touch under the chords and melody. The shift into the chorus is sublime and the sheer rush as it comes back to the last verse from the middle 8 ("I need somebody good, I need a miracle") is like a ride in the space shuttle - on the outside.

Take "Rockaway Beach" - another point on the curve linking "Summer in the City", " Dancing in the Street" and "Baby on more Time". Again - great chorus, great lyrics ("Chewin out a rhythm on my bubblegum") and a sense of PLACE. In less than 3 minutes you feel exactly what it's like to be a teenager in baking hot NY - and you feel it every single time you hear it. That's great songwriting, Pinefox.

Rockaway, Glad..., Listen to My Heart, 53rd and 3rd, You Should Never Have Opened That Door are equals of "Please, Please Me", "California Girls", "My Generation" ..... the list goes on....if you can look past the "punk" thing which is really a red herring as far as The Ramones are concerned.

I guess it all depends on what you look for in a song - they're not Burt or Jimmy Webb, but they tell a story, crank up the adrenaline, and make their own world for 3 mins for EVERY SINGLE TRACK on the first 4 albums. That's classic.

Dr. C, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Outstanding. Wonderfully worded, Dr.C!

alex in nyc, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Dr C: what you say, you say very well. You know your stuff, and you demonstrate it. Not for the first time, you have me admiring your pop knowledge.

I am still not particularly convinced about the overall point. In fact, come to think of it, I'm not at all convinced. But to be reasonable about this, I'm going to have to leave it till I've listened to the Ramones again.

the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Bah

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

the ramones are one of those bands i don't know much about, but would like to get round to hearing. i like beat on the brat but that is all i really know, i shall pick up some of their records soon i think

gareth, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Can't quite figure out whether that's a putdown of the Clash, or the Ramones, or neither, or both - and I'm not even European !
It's a putdown of the Clash.

duane, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Utterly classic. What punk COULDA been. But wasn't. Wasn't at all.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Rest you weary heads: it's a putdown of both ;)

But, Dr.C makes such a good case for Da Ramones that I'm thinking of checking them out again.

But part2, Jason makes a very interesting point that almost gets buried: the puritanism of much punk. I feel it's a key to why I don't like much of the stuff (although most of the time I think of punk as anorexic - no bottom ;) Will go up on the mountain and meditate on this insight.

Omar, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Another great thing about The Ramones is that way that, because their songs have no flab and fuss, little details really stand out and make you listen for them each time. For example, any time they go for any kind of backing vocals it sounds great - the fade-out on "You Should Never Have Opened That Door", the "Oooh, oooh, oooh" bit on "Judy is a Punk". These details are very important and can really make a song (and the Ramones realise this) - little hooks that you may not always keep in mind, but when you play the track you're listening out for them from the opening chords of the song. MOST great songs have these elements.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Comparing them to the Clash, man that gives me some insight into why Europeans (except the French) don't care about rock&roll any more - 'cause they never quite got it in the 1st place.

Which kind of explains why I like so few American bands. Seems that whatever genre they work in, there's always that wide Rock streak that suffuses it all and kind of obliterates whatever else they're trying to do.

CountV/John T, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pssh, there are all kinds of American bands who don't have the dreaded blues taint you're so sensitive about, John. (By the way, welcome to ILM, yo - I remember you from rmp.)

Josh, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Update: I have returned to my (limited) Ramones, and been impressed. OK, I still ca't go all the way with the Doc, but this stuff is slightly more varied and inventive than I remember. And it has a good grasp of the basics, and of pop dynamics (whatever they are). So my opinion has gone up a tad, I think. It even made me want to write Ramones songs.

the pinefox, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

This is indeed good news. What tracks did you listen to, Pinefox?

Dr. C, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

All I have is an extensive best-of. The tracks I re-played included 'California Sun' (good riffing), '...Opened That Door' (adventurous chords), 'Sheena Is A Punk Rocker', 'Sheila [??] Isb A Headbanger' (ooh, what to think of that STOOPID bit at the end when they just sing 'head-ban-ger'?) - oh, and the one that has always stuck in my mind over the years with a little poignancy:

OH-OH-I-LOVE-HER-SO-O-OH.

the pinefox, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Suzy is a headbanger on mine, I guess you have the Australia-only version!

Dr. C, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hey, I can't tell the difference. I know Judy is a punk, though. Isn't she?

the pinefox, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

ah doh wa be berry idda peh seh-u-te-erry, ah doo wa a li my li aggi-i-i. FANTASTIC!!!!! even at their worst.

bob snoom, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Bob - yes it IS fantastic. That's kind of what I was getting at in the original question - their 80's (and early 90's) work still refuses to give up being fun, despite dodgy producers, ill-advised style shifts etc etc. Pet Sematary is a great example. We didn't really explore later Ramones in the way that I'd hoped - and I got sidetracked into trying to establish the case for EARLY Ramones as pop-meisters. (This was worth it in order to budge The Pinefox a couple of inches towards agreement on The Ramones = classic pop issue. He owes me a beer or six.) Best Late Ramones track - "I Don't Wanna Grow Up".

Dr. C, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

!!??!!

the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...
R.A.M.O.N.E.S.

So I went to see what I thought was going to be a bunch of dodgy old punks on Saturday night and ended up seeing a dodgy old Scottish Ramones (this is a good thing).

Then I told my son (Mark, 5 and three quarters) that "Brian's band sound like the Ramones" and his jaw dropped and he said "THE RAMONES? REALLY? COOL!" and I think it's cool as fuck that my kid thinks it's cool that someone his dad knows is in a band that sounds a wee bit like The Ramones.

Then I listened to It's Alive this morning on the way to work and it reasserted itself as not only the best live album ever, but possibly one of the BEST ANYTHINGS EVER!

C.L.A.S.S.I.C.

Anyway, Weird Tales of the Ramones, anyone got it yet and want to tell me why I really need to buy it regardless of what I already own?

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Uhhh . . which one? I've seen three Scottish Ramones covers bands. Which pretty much says it for me on this thread. But if I could keep just one rock album of any kind, it would have to be 'It's alive'

Soukesian, Monday, 22 August 2005 16:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They weren't a covers band. They were a Scottish band who sounded like the Ramones, if the Ramones ever decided to sing songs about Coatbridge Baths and Shereen Nanjiani, that is. They did play Sheena Is A Punk Rocker just so people could go "Ah... that's who they sound like!"

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 22 August 2005 18:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone that says Dud is a dud.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Amen, brother.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
Rock & Roll High School is still a fantastic film.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 22 April 2006 02:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

This is looking pretty classic:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ramones-Its-Alive-1974-1996/dp/B000EGEVZK

Finally, the It's Alive footage on DVD, with about, er, 100 other tracks!

DVD1:
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CBGB New York, NY (9/15/74)
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement
Judy Is A Punk

Max’s Kansas City New York, NY (4/18/76)
I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend
53rd and 3rd

The Club Cambridge, MA (5/12/76)
Chain Saw

Max’s Kansas City New York, NY (10/8/76)
Havana Affair
Listen To My Heart

My Father’s Place Roslyn, NY (4/13/77)
I Remember You
Carbona Not Glue

CBGB New York, NY (6/11/77)
Blitzkrieg Bop
Sheena Is A Punk Rocker
Beat On The Brat
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
Rockaway Beach
Cretin Hop
Oh Oh I Love Her So
Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World

The Second Chance Ann Arbor, MI (6/26/77)
Rockaway Beach
Carbona Not Glue

The Ivanhoe Theater Chicago, IL (7/6/77)
Pinhead
Suzy Is A Headbanger

The Armadillo Austin, TX (7/14/77) Early Show
Commando
I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend

The Armadillo Austin, TX (7/14/77) Late Show
Now I Wanna Be A Good Boy
53rd & 3rd
Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World

Liberty Hall Houston, TX (7/15/77)
Loudmouth
I Remember You
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment

Liberty Hall Houston, TX (7/16/77)
Oh Oh I Love Her So
Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World

Don Kirshner’s Rock Concert L.A., CA (8/9/77)
Loudmouth
Judy Is A Punk
Glad To See You Go
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment

The Camera Mart Stages New York, NY (9/3/77)
Swallow My Pride
Pinhead
Sheena Is A Punk Rocker

It’s Alive, The Rainbow Theatre London (12/31/77)
Blitzkrieg Bop
I Wanna Be Well
Glad To See You Go
You're Gonna Kill That Girl
Commando
Havana Affair
Cretin Hop
Listen To My Heart
I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You
Pinhead
Do You Wanna Dance?
Now I Wanna Be A Good Boy
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
We're A Happy Family

Bonus features:
- Dee Dee and Joey - The Beginning (Interview)
- Tommy - Forest Hills High School (Interview)
- Danny Fields - Revelations (Interview)
- Joey & Dee Dee - Influences (Interview)
- Joey & Danny - Artistic Growth (Interview)
- Violence? (Interview)
- What is Punk? (Interview)
- Tommy - How I learned to play drums and we got a record deal (Interview)
- Dee Dee - Coffee And Cigarettes (Interview)
- Johnny - Hard To Stop (Interview)
- Argentina - The First Time (Interview)
- Mandagsborgen (Interview)
- Sha Na Na Shenanigans (Interview)
- It's Not My Place (In The 9 To 5 World) (Video)
- Somebody Put Something In My Drink (Rare Video) (Rough Cut)
- Photo Galleries (Also Ramones fans got chance to send photos taken by them to the DVD).

DVD2:
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Musikladen Bremen, Germany (9/13/78)
Rockaway Beach
Teenage Lobotomy
Blitzkrieg Bop
Don't Come Close
I Don't Care
She's The One
Sheena Is A Punk Rocker
Cretin Hop
Listen To My Heart
I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You
Pinhead

The Old Grey Whistle Test London (9/19/78)
Don't Come Close
She's The One
Go Mental

Top of the Pops London (9/28/78)
Don't Come Close

Oakland, CA (12/28/78)
I'm Against It
Needles And Pins

San Francisco Civic Center, S.F., CA (6/9/79)
I Want You Around
I'm Affected
California Sun

The Old Grey Whistle Test London (1/15/79
Rock 'N' Roll High School
Do You Remember Rock 'N' Roll Radio?

Top of the Pops London (1/31/80)
Baby I Love You

Sha Na Na L.A., CA (5/19/80)
Rock 'N' Roll High School

Mandagsborsen Stockholm, Sweden (10/26/81)
We Want The Airwaves

TVE Musical Express Madrid, Spain (11/17/81)
This Business Is Killing Me
All Quiet On The Eastern Front

US Festival San Bernardino, CA (9/3/82)
Do You Remember Rock 'N' Roll Radio?
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment
Rock 'N' Roll High School
I Wanna Be Sedated
Beat On The Brat
The KKK Took My Baby Away
Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
Chinese Rocks
Teenage Lobotomy

The Old Grey Whistle Test London (2/26/85)
Wart Hog
Chasing The Night

Obras Sanitarias, Buenos Aires, Argentina (2/3/87)
Blitzkrieg Bop
Freak Of Nature
Crummy Stuff
Love Kills
I Don't Care
Too Tough To Die
Mama's Boy

Provinssirock Festival, Seinäjoki, Finland (6/4/88)
I Don't Want You Anymore
Weasel Face
Garden Of Serenity
I Just Want To Have Something To Do
Surfin' Bird
Cretin Hop
Somebody Put Something In My Drink
We're A Happy Family

R.I.T., Rochester, NY (10/8/88)
Do You Remember Rock 'N' Roll Radio
Wart Hog

Rolling Stone Club Milan, Italy (3/16/92)
Psycho Therapy
I Believe In Miracles
I Wanna Live
My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes To Bitburg)
Pet Sematary
Animal Boy
Pinhead

Top of the Pops London (6/29/95)
I Don't Wanna Grow Up

River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires, Argentina (3/16/96)
I Wanna Be Sedated
R.A.M.O.N.E.S.
Blitzkrieg Bop

StanM, Monday, 27 August 2007 18:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(also, LOL at those reviewers going on about this without looking up the tracklist)

StanM, Monday, 27 August 2007 18:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oof -- might have to pick this up.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 27 August 2007 18:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Forgot to hit that "convert to BBcode" button. Rookie mistake.

JRN, Thursday, 20 September 2012 21:47 (six years ago) Permalink

welcome rookie.

mark e, Thursday, 20 September 2012 21:48 (six years ago) Permalink

nicholas cage's johnny impression!!

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 September 2012 21:48 (six years ago) Permalink

aw that nicholas cage thing is actually really sweet

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 22:22 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The Ramones meet Regis and Kathy Lee

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 December 2012 16:24 (six years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, on the 6 train...

Mark G, Monday, 10 December 2012 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

awesome clip - thx!

Twerkin in a coal mine (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 December 2012 16:52 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost -- I see you noticed that as well.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 December 2012 16:56 (six years ago) Permalink

i don't know if i've ever seen a human male with skinnier legs than joey ramone.

the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 10 December 2012 16:57 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

inventing post rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MPEqGJqqSI

how's life, Friday, 1 February 2013 17:53 (five years ago) Permalink

has anyone read johnny's book?

― fit and working again, Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:02 AM (5 months ago

Yep. It's a great read. Not brilliantly written - it jumps all over the place, he skips a lot, repeats a lot and a few other problems. But you really get a sense of his character - and what a character he is. He's a grouchy, conservative, misanthrope with a chip on both shoulders who won't tolerate bullshit of any kind and loves baseball, movies and punk music (in that order). He's paranoid about the Ramones' image but loves them and is so proud of them, regards as the best ever and loves his celebrity friends (there are probably hundreds of photos of him with famous people). Seems like he and Joey were complete opposites and Joey made him crazy. Dee Dee he loved and he really respected him, while openly admitting to bullying him and considering him a fuck-up. There's good, non-judgmental insights into the various drug problems etc that they went through. He writes about each album and rates them etc, like a true music geek. There's lots of lists actually. Then it ends as he is dying and it's pretty touching as he does the "I couldn't have wished for a better life" routine. Worth your time if you love the Ramones.

everything, Friday, 1 February 2013 19:01 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Here's an interesting question that was asked on twitter...who played the keyboards on "Let's Dance"?

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 04:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Craig Leon. This is mentioned in Mickey Leigh's book "I Slept With Joey Ramone".

everything, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 04:36 (five years ago) Permalink

The two of them, plus other people like Arturo Vega added quite a few tiny details on top of the bass/guitars/drums/vocals of the Ramones after the formal recording of the album - handclaps, a few "ooooohs" here and there, that weird tss-boom sound on the chorus in Havana Affair etc. For Let's Dance he specifically mentions that Leon played a huge pipe organ that was in the studio.

everything, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 04:45 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Via Facebook via Rolling Stone--the Sun Sessions 1974:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4EDSw3K3A

Tommy (who I seem to remember from the documentary had a more normal rock group pedigree): "I can't take it."

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Weird--seems to have been taken down seconds after I posted.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:35 (five years ago) Permalink

seems to not have been taken down to me. nice show.

how's life, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Because of the Rolling Stone piece, maybe the link was overwhelmed for a while. I love that they don't seem 100% sure of what image they want to project yet. Joey's swishing around bipperty-bopperty during "Basement," while Johnny's bare-chested, like he's Iggy Pop or Robert Plant or Roger Daltrey (amazing close-up at 3:30). The music's already in place, though. Sept 15, 1974: "I Shot the Sheriff" #1 song, Chinatown film, new president about a month in office.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 23:02 (five years ago) Permalink

"#1 film"

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 23:03 (five years ago) Permalink

love the argument at 2:00, it's like Mean Streets dialogue.

Joey: I DON'T WANNA GO DOWN TO THE BASEMENT!
Marky: Aw come on, let's do Loudmouth alright?
Dee Dee; I wanna do I Don't Wanna Go Down To Basement too!
Johnny: Yeah, come on, it's three against one.
Marky: Fuck you all.
Johnny. OK OK Let's go. Quick. Lively.
Dee Dee: 1-2-3-4!

brio, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 00:28 (five years ago) Permalink

tommy, not mark

sleepingsignal, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 00:55 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah of course right

brio, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 01:52 (five years ago) Permalink

In honor of July 4th, I posted a bunch of Ramones clips on fb. I especially dug this one, a PBS story on them from '78. It was recorded in Minneapolis--I wonder if any future 'Mats or Husker Du-ers were in the house?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1QG8MJ7jv4

Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 02:29 (five years ago) Permalink

I love that they don't seem 100% sure of what image they want to project yet. Joey's swishing around bipperty-bopperty during "Basement," while Johnny's bare-chested, like he's Iggy Pop or Robert Plant or Roger Daltrey

Did they ever really resolve this tension? It always seemed unlikely that Joey and Johnny should be in the same band. Part of their charm, I'd say.

o. nate, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 03:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Fascinating to see those two clips next to each other. There's assurance and speed after four years, but so much is in place in 1974, even as it drips with stage fright. They already can't control what they've created, like there's only one direction this can go. Impossible to separate what they wanted to do from what just came out that way.

bendy, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 11:34 (five years ago) Permalink

xp johnny's leopard skin lapels show the glam influence just as much as joey's posturing.

sleepingsignal, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Ramones filling the State Theatre with 3,000 people in 1978 explains so much about Minneapolis. Love the Batman tee!

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 13:34 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

RIP Tommy Ramone. Does this make the Ramones one of the few bands where every original member is dead? Sad, regardless.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 July 2014 12:53 (four years ago) Permalink

see this thread for more:

Tommy Ramone RIP

curmudgeon, Saturday, 12 July 2014 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5pN9xU6HHc

Keep an eye out for ironing at 3:40 mark.

Mike j'Abo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 January 2015 15:09 (three years ago) Permalink

"The Raymones" ...Joe's pronounciation. RIP Joe

curmudgeon, Sunday, 25 January 2015 17:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Indeed

Mike j'Abo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 January 2015 17:20 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
two years pass...

I've been listening to the 40th anniversary mono mix of the debut and it's fantastic.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 26 July 2018 07:51 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I've been on a big listening binge on The Ramones for the past few months. Their sound was so streamlined and perfect. Thinking about how it all went, I am curious to find out what the best biography of the Ramones to check out? I have read "From the Velvets to the Voidoids" and "Please Kill Me", but I know there have been a few Ramones biographies that have come out in the recent years.

Having a mono LP of the debut would be cool.

earlnash, Friday, 30 November 2018 00:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Their sound was so streamlined and perfect

yeah the first album in particular is one of the great formal breakthroughs IMO. just a remarkable synthesis that seems obvious in retrospect but required a real leap.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 30 November 2018 00:11 (one week ago) Permalink

so sad that the ramones story turned out to be a tragedy.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 30 November 2018 00:12 (one week ago) Permalink

i just read marky's book and was surprised to learn that they all could barely tolerate each other as early as when he joined the band. it's amazing they lasted as long as they did.

visiting, Friday, 30 November 2018 00:46 (one week ago) Permalink

i've read a bunch of books about them and, while i'd be hard-pressed to name a "best", i'd recommend the books by everett true and tour manager monte melnick.

visiting, Friday, 30 November 2018 00:57 (one week ago) Permalink

And while not a book, the End of the Century documentary is well worth your time.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 30 November 2018 01:39 (one week ago) Permalink

Marky's book gives the best insight and is the best autobiography by quite a way. Dee Dee and Johnny's books were cool but much more limited and personal in completely different ways. Fans should read all three.

everything, Friday, 30 November 2018 07:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Watching the Anthony Bourdain episode called Lower East Side where he had a meal with Danny Fields has me listening to "Danny Says" (both the original and demo versions).

curmudgeon, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

What about the documentary of the same title?

My Ital Rival (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 November 2018 14:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Yes, that too

curmudgeon, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:04 (one week ago) Permalink

stumbled upon 'the job that ate my brain' from mondo bizarro the other day. a 1992 gem! huge production!

meaulnes, Monday, 3 December 2018 00:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Their sound was so streamlined and perfect.

Those first four albums are amazing. I may be alone in thinking Leave Home is the best of them (Leave Home > Ramones > Road To Ruin > Rocket To Russia), but they all sit together as a set, too. I recently came back to them after not having listened for years, and even their '80s stuff - albums like Too Tough To Die and Animal Boy - is shockingly strong.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 00:33 (one week ago) Permalink

The 70s set being topped off with "It's Alive", which also kicks ass.

For a band that had such a focus, they had more range in production and guitar sounds than one might expect. I love the first albums sound with the bass all up in the mix.

There are definitely lots of good nugget tunes on all of their records.

I loved and still love Acid Eaters which was their current LP when I saw the band. They have quite a few really ace covers. I think they do the best "Surfin' Bird" this side of the Trashmen original.

earlnash, Monday, 3 December 2018 01:04 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't get to see them live until 1989 or 1990; CJ had just joined the band. They were amazing, though; I swear they played 40 songs in 75 minutes. The show was crazy violent, though, because the opening acts were GBH and Warzone. Lots of fights between old-school punk types and NYHawdCoah knuckle-walkers.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:16 (one week ago) Permalink

that they produced those four albums (plus It's Alive and End of the Century) in the space of barely more than three years is astounding, such a great hot streak, it rivals any other run of consistently great material in the ~history of rock~

Neil S, Monday, 3 December 2018 08:57 (one week ago) Permalink

1987 Ramones show I saw was the most crazy violent gig, too. They drew in a large array of outcasts with different expectations and altered states, not the typical HC pit.

eva logorrhea (bendy), Monday, 3 December 2018 12:42 (one week ago) Permalink


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