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Is XTRMNTR better than Screamadelica? Is Give Out... worse than the awful eponymous one? Is Sonic Flower Groove a load of old namby pamby hippy jangle shite? Are Primal Scream the tenth greatest band ever (regardless of whoever you arbitrarily place above them)?

Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha! I was going to say that they are beyond Classic or Dud and the way you pose the question proves me right ;) Anyway, yes of course they are that tenth greatest band ever (although I probably will be the last one to say it on this thread).

XTRMNTR = not better than Screamadelica, they can't be compared that way, rahter I'd say XTRMNTR is the flipside of Screamadelica, they go together, the alhpa & omega of the 90s ;)

Don't rate them before 'Loaded' though. And Give Out remains embarrasing save Jailbird. Just rediscovered the 'Jailbird' 12" which is really amazing. The Chemicals remix is shite but on the flipside you have a 10-minute Kris Needs remix that's almost exclusively built out of riffs with a bunch of echo's thrown in. And after that you get one of Andy Weatherall's weirdest mixes: dub chapter 3, 12 minutes of star-hopping bliss.

Omar, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked 'Give Out', it seemed like the most radical thing they could possibly do at the time, but...'Screamadelica' and 'Vanishing Point' work purely because of their sequencing (the drug-arc of the former was touching in its adolescent-naif psychonaut way), but XTRMNTR hasn't troubled my stereo since I bought it. They've managed to prove the validity of sampling despite themselves due to their central dichotomy - rock-gang-style posturing while simultaneously hiring different rhythm sections/producers for each track, the better to recreate their record (vinyl, please!) collections. One can get away with this pastiche approach if one is quick enough on the draw but they're slowing down, the joins are starting to show and the tiredness of their approach is starting to become ever more transparent. ("Help, we just ran out of ideas, call up Jonesy at Uncut and tell him to send us some CDs from the archives, now!") ['Received tiredness' - hey, I want to copyright that phrase!]
A perhaps more charitable approach would be that they live and die by their singles - and "Higher than the Sun", "Loaded" (actually I prefer "Come Together", was that a single?) and "Rocks" were great, while "Kowalski", "Star", and "Swastika Eyes" were terrible. (As for the first two albums, they're even paler photocopies of their 'inspirations', which seem more read-about than not.)
Good on them for the Satpal Ram thing though.

tarden, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Read-about' by PS, I mean. As in, they read a list of 100 top albums ever, and decided to buy all of them, and assumed they were all classic and worth re-creating, rather than feeling any one way or the other about whatever they were going to sound like.

tarden, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

(However, before you explode, cf also Tarden's provoco-position on Musical Tourism, which = the opposite of the above...!!)

mark s, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

absolute fucking shite - almost as bad as prefab sprout.

Geoff, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I love XTRMNTR but I really prefer SCREAMADELICA. I would agree that they both represent similar sounds but at different ends of a sound spectrum. They continually amaze me anyhoo.

Kodanshi, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think XTRMNTR is the best record they've made, actually. think it craps on screamadelica, which was one of my favourite records for years, but sounds a bit dated and a bit wishy washy now, to me anyway. Still a classic of it's time, but maybe it's time has passed. And most of their other records are pretty shite.

Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Kowalski", "Star", and "Swastika Eyes" were terrible
The last two I agree, but Kowalski rocks my socks. Vanishing Point and XTRMNTR are both about 2/3 good. Screamadelica is about 1/2, but its growing hopelessly out-dated.

bnw, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

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but its growing hopelessly out-dated

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yeah, but that's also the beauty of it. It's so of its time (that naif-psychonaut thing Tarden mentioned). I like it when albums date and get intertwined with good memories.

So am I the only one who thinks 'Swastika Eyes' is the shit?

Omar, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i still like parts of screamadelica, but then i always had a soft spot for weatherall. i think they're kind of embarrassing now

gareth, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Swastika Eyes is mentalist, and therefore aceness on wax.

Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely 'Primal Scream' is just the name for whoever is in the studio when Gillespie wanders through? Sometimes works, sometimes laughable. _Give Out_ = PAIN. I still like _Screamadelica_ but that could be as much nostalgia fix as anything, but last year's second LA show was fantastic -- though I go to my grave insisting "Rocks" = poo. "Shoot Speed Kill Light" was grand, though, as was seeing both Kevin Shields and Mani in the same place. And Steve Jones for the encore.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

they peaked with 'velocity girl'. problem is they are still a wimpy pop band stuck in death metal outfits. in 20 years, however, their box set might be the most eclectic ever.

keith, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've still never heard Velocity Girl, god knows how I've managed to go this long as a big Roses and Primals fan and not hear it.

Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Primal Scream have always been a bit of a non-event for me. That's not to say I hate them, but there's something that everyone else seems to see in them but I don't. Oh well.

DG, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Vanishing Point I liked at the time but would probably be embarrased by now. Give Out ... bollocks, though "Rocks" is funny. Screamadelica a real period piece, still quite good, but dating very rapidly. XTRMNTR totally embarrassed me and I never had a moment's interest in it. I'm with Gareth on this.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Given that I had little exposure to PRML SCRM prior to _XTRMNTR_ (except for a run-in with the "Rocks" video, which scared me shiteless) (and "Kowalski", which seemed cool but in that who-cares way), I like it. _XTRMNTR_, that is. Only one painfully embarrassing track on there, as I recall - where Bobby's screaming about fucking off & fading away or something, acting all tough. (Oh, that SWEARING is such a turn-on, oh, fuck yeah.)

Sounds to me as though all of you have some history with Gillespe & Co. that's coloring your assessment of his work.

David Raposa, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

David, dude, that's nothing, you should see how it gets when folks here get started on Damon Albarn.

Patrick, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It doesn't take much, really, when it comes to Damon. He just has to open his mouth. Mr. Gillespie needs a little more in comparison, like, oh I don't know, hitting audience members over the head with a mike stand...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

liked the orb remix of higher than the sun, otherwise mediocre - vanishing point - ok at time but now utterly bored with 90s grainy earthy psychotropic bilge - a good indie 12" remix singles band but screamadelica is toss admired by people who don't really like house.

geordie racer, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, I'm Professor House and I love Screamadelica, used to be a great album to get you in gear for a night out. But you're right they are a good on-going remix-project (what Orb rmx btw? The Higher than a Kite rmx? Is that one very different from the Higher than the Orb rmx on the original H.t.t.S. 12"?). Strange enough I haven't heard Velocity Girl either.

Omar, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I hear reliable rumours that The Scream have recorded my song 'Finnegan The Folk Hero (of HTML)' for the album they're preparing for their new label, Boots (The Pharmacist) Records.

Momus, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I have had an irrational love of Bobby G since the JAMC's _Just Like Honey_ video rocked my pre-teen world. So I'm not the best judge on Primal Scream. I love what they have turned into, this sort of Bobby G's Battersea Dogs Home For Lost Guitarists From Influential Bands. It's the closest thing left to an Arkestra that rock still has. What makes them great is the fact that they are "Bobby and Innes and whoever happens to wander through a studio while they're around."

I like the hippie jangle shite, it's the closest to wibbling twee that I will allow near my stereo. I love Screamadelica, it was a life-changing event for me, etc. etc. I won't listen to "Give Up" except to torture my neighbours with "Funky Jam" on endless repeat. Varnishing Point is an underrated classic, the album that slipped through the cracks. Everyone slagged off XTRMNTR for the same reasons that they slagged off Kid A - the whole "Bringing avant guard influences into the mainstream is hardly original" way of thinking. To which I reply with a shrug and a "so what?" Criticise it for "not being avante guarde" enough... fine, it's not supposed to be. I love it anyway.

Oh, and did I mention Bobby G is excessively good looking?

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmmm... I wait with nervus anticipation to hear THAT. (Finegan by Primal Scream). I hope they don't Annie Lenox it or something. I would rather hear Brian Eno do it.

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Umm....i was going to say the same thing as masonic boom. classic zeitgest. the only thing to stay away from would be the second album 'cetp for I'm losing more than I'll ever have.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Is XTRMNTR supposed to be avant-garde, though? Were people actually claiming that for the record? How odd.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Scream are the most rewarding band. They take you on a journey of byrdsdubfreakoutbasslinessoundeffectshousegaragerockrandbrollingstones ...

They bring in people cause it's what is best for the songs not the egos. Like Lou Reed and Velvet Underground getting Nico to sing songs, or Maureen Tucker...

Brillant brillant brillant band.

xtrmntr is complete punk rock. burns my head when i listen to it.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I know I shouldn't, but I can't help myself. I absolutely despise primal scream, and all they stand for. They seem to me to epitomise the whole "never mind the music, check our references" ethos of the nineties, and their references are so predictable. The pantheon of "Mojo" & "Q" magazine-approved underground/cult classix. Yawn, y'know, and NOT ONCE have the scrm EVER taken one step beyond what their supposed heroes did. I despise them and what they've achieved so much, that I don't want to get too deeply into it, lest I offend or upset posters who I like. I mean, really, it's best that I don't go there. Suffice it to say that for me, the two good bits of music the scrm have EVER put out are the jim beattie's rickenbacker 12-string solo at the end of "gentle tuesday" and the bit from the beginning of "gimme gimme teenage head" IE BEFORE BBBY starts off on his horrible singing. Aaahh fuxit - I've owned "Screamadelica", and have actually enjoyed listening to it, but sitting here now, I can't actually remember a single bit of the music from it. "exterminator" just sounds to me like some lame-a$$ hybrid of hawkwind, sigue sigue sputnik and the sisters of mercy, except not as good as any of them, yea verily, not even the sputnik. In fact, all of the bands stylistic changes over the years seems to me like unto a broken straw, blowing this way and that in the wind. If BBBY GLSSP even once stopped worrying about how cool he looked, and how his references came across, then perhaps they might have lived up to some of the baffling hype that this band has had from the brit weeklies over the years. I mean, have they ever had a really bad review? I can't remember one.

Pah. The only message I get from the scream's total recorded output is this:

"We own a cooler record collection than you"

fuck them.

bbby htr, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaawwwww... but... but...

Bobby G is so very very good looking, Norman!

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a lot of the music, but Bobby Gillespie and the rest of the band are teeth-grindingly irritating with their ethos of living this mythical rock and roll lifestyle that they read about in some old article about the Rolling Stones. Most of the time it's really all about obtaining license to be an asshole and treat other people like garbage (hence Bobby G hitting people in the audience with microphones).

Still doesn't stop me from loving Screamadelica, though.

Nicole, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Alright...

Those are valid points about the scream, norman, but still, the reference points actually work. Bob's a magpie, for sure. Everyone's a prostitute, etc..etc...

But he samples rock and roll of the 20th century. I think that is the ethnos that was brought out after screamadelica. You can say...Ummm....but it's just all done before. But it's dunno..very tired and moaning after drunken argument in club but 'a melting point/pot' *posh voice* of sampling.

When I was younger, Primal Scream was the first band that I had gotten into, loved, obsessed, na'er do wrong....

But the reference points, just broadened the musical knowledge and teh desire to hear more.

I mean, Soup Dragons, case in point, they do the same thing but they get it wrong.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to generalize here, but with the exception of some Anglophiles, nobody in the States gets worked up over Primal Scream. I mean, they're ok and all, but come on. And Bobby isn't even good looking.

Sean, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Kate: Bobby G is so very very good looking

Me: Uuuuurrrghhhh....shudder uuuunnggghhhh....

Cor, Kate.....

this< /a> is what I call good-looking. However, this certainly isn't.

What d'you think? :)

Doompatrol? Any opinions to offer? Is bbby a htty?

x0x0

"Una Persson", Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Umm...

I've always thought that bobby looked really cool. Dodgy around give up but don't give out...but the jesus and mary chain bobby, yes, screamadelic bobby, stonestarchild....

I'm sorry Norman, can't budge. Must admit, I love primal scream, the only band that I will buy cd singles for...

ps. getting some peter hammill tonight. tell you what i think about a week from now...

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

gawd. K-l33t HTML skillz on display again. Try cutting & pasting this for yer lamer's idea of "good"

http://www.malcolm-mcdowell.com/Gallery/Wallpaper/wp10.jpg

And paul, it's not that it's been "done before". I don't actually care if it's been done before. It's that they, or more precisely BBBY, are always banging on in the musick press abt how they're a reflection of their ultra-cool influences, but they never get close

xoxo

"Una Persson", Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry Norman, can't diss the scream. Without them I would have never started my life long obsession with the byrds/velvet underground/can/stones.........................

By the way, Spirit...didnt like.....arrgghh.....

the drum and bass covers of garage rock classics like 96 tears...how can you go wrong?

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

You forgot to include a picture of Bobby for comparison. I am not the only person who thinks so. Don't MAKE me start posting links to the Primal Scream Fan Fiction archives again.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I have to agree with Norman, I do find their Rock'N'Roll cliche nonsense a bit embarassing, but I do like a few of their songs.

DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Alright kate!!! I give up!!!

this is the link to BBBY I screwed up.

Paul - which spirit album did y'get???

xoxo

Norman Fay, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No..no..

Not rock and roll nonsense. They were the first band to make me BELIEVE in rock and roll! Defined rock and roll for me and loads of other people.........

primalscream/stoneroses/happymondays

They made it sexy again!

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Awww, but Norman, he's still so lovely. I will hear no slander against my Bobby G's loveliness. La la la la la. ::sticks fingers in her ears:: Oh wait, you've cried uncle already. Mwah hah hah.

They made it sexy again!

Good lord, I'm agreeing with Doompatrol. Somebody call the doctor. Yes, they made it sexy again. But this is Bobby G we are talking about, he could make being a LIBRARIAN sexy again.

It's called BEAUTY!!!!! Either you have it or you don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the first one, i think, borrowed off of my hippie neighbour and his anorexic girlfriend.

i havent lived with it enough to give an honest opinion...will tell you later on.

(I'm talking about spirit)..

primal scream = rock and roll.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing with bobby is that he is freak/geek god made cool. primal scream is music for outsiders...

it's the manifesto.........

so many highlights, that I can never put them in a group other than CLASSIC. The closest would have been Richard Ashcroft up to A Northern Soul. But the other two, would have to be, Super Furry Animals and Spiritualized as the two other bands that I can believe in...

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Pah. Oddly, all the posturing and silly slogans you like so much DP have exactly the opposite effect on me. 'Music for outsiders'? Like who? Or is this just some silly Scream bid to wish into existence a long dead 'counterculture'? It's not 1969 any longer (thank goodness), and I think all that silly leather-trousered rock star bullshit should have been left there.

DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ahhh...

But DG (the man who hated doompatrol)...it's not 1969 for the Scream. It's the present. It's the future. It's the past. It's everything.

One listen to the scream theme Screamadelica will make anyone dance.

It's not silly it's the scream spirit, man o man.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm scared, you're starting to make Bobby sound like a superhero.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, he does have his superhero theme...

Plus he could take Spidey. Look at his action with the mic stand (classic iggy by the way)...

dmptrl@html.cm, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

He is a superhero, he is Record Collection Man! See how he has that rare Stooges bootleg that you don't! Hear how he obtained that ultra- obscure MC5 live album recorded on a dictaphone in Bognor Regis! Laugh at his amusingly naive politics!

DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

He sounds like he may be related to The Reader. Tom n Al should get to work on this.

Nicole, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Vanishing Point is their peak, imo, followed by Echo Dek, then Screamadelica. Never played XTRMNTR because of the Shoot Speed song and one of the songs I heard had some obnoxious guitar on it. Also the collab with Bernard Sumner was shit. Probably should listen again.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 20:58 (two years ago) link

Assuming you're talking about accelerator, which is a vital blast of noise. You'd probably like the rest of the record other than those two songs, which seem to benefit
Most from the influence of Kevin shields.

tinnitus the night (Ross), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 21:33 (two years ago) link

wtf the Shoot Speed song is awesome

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

as is obnoxious guitar

i play MBV ARKESTRA loudly in the car every couple of months

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

Feel like accelerator is one of those songs that lives up to the title. It's like full on nitro bliss

tinnitus the night (Ross), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 21:45 (two years ago) link

I saw a burnt out wheelie-bin earlier, pure anarchy.

calzino, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 21:46 (two years ago) link

"Is that some cunt oan ILX rippin' the pish oot o' me again?"

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01145/arts-graphics-2003_1145250a.jpg

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 22:02 (two years ago) link

obsessive favourite band in screamadelica era - saw them live 1992 while pumped full of substances and it is one of the handful of live shows in a lifetime of gig-going that actually fulfilled the transcendent promise/potential of the concert experience (drugs + fandom + dancing + band self-awarely in their "imperial phase" is a great combo)

tried to keep the fire alive during "give out..." era in face of diminishing returns, got pretty hard into vanishing point and xtrmtr, then out

their massive record collection schtick feels corny/tired in retrospect but grateful to them for pointing pre-internet young suburbanite me onto various cool things - coltrane/mc5/can/dennis wilson whatever

happened to listen to dirty hits last week, first spin in a decade-plus - the screamadelica stuff feels really lame now IMO, vanishing point and xtrmtr stuff holds up better than i would have guessed, some of those later tracks (miss lucifer kind of era) were fun to hear again

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 22:44 (two years ago) link

Kill all hippies will always be a jam

tinnitus the night (Ross), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:09 (two years ago) link

their massive record collection schtick feels corny/tired in retrospect but grateful to them for pointing pre-internet young suburbanite me onto various cool things

yep... screamadelica sent me to both dance music and the rolling stones.

new noise, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:31 (two years ago) link

Listening to XTRMNTR now and I remembered I have 2 12”s from this album. Two Lone Swordsman mixes of Swastika Eyes that I love and a 12” with If They Move Kill Them. Kill All Hippies sounded great right now.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:32 (two years ago) link

Was really digging Pills until this ending. Oh dear. Poor Bobby.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:41 (two years ago) link

i saw Primal Scream about two years ago here in Los Angeles, it was a great show. seen them now around ten times, always a good time even the Give Out but Don't Give Up tour was amazing. no joke, they were touring with Depeche Mode for that album and then they did a Hell's Angel concert at the Whiskey A Go Go on Sunset. that show was probably their best show that i saw and they were high as hell. don't care for all the stuff and some is probably really dated but there are more hits than misses in their catalog over the years.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:48 (two years ago) link

i actually went to that Depeche Mode show and left early, must have been the Songs of Faith and Devotion tour. today, i'm thinking why the hell did i leave early? David was really wasted from what i remember thou.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:57 (two years ago) link

Pills is a good Automator beat but that ending will always be eh

tinnitus the night (Ross), Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:12 (two years ago) link

i saw a scream show at shepherd's bush empire xmas 94 that had the sabres of paradise live band as support, a dj set from chemical bros (when dust bros), an unannounced acoustic set from noel gallagher and an encore of so sad about us and dark end of the street (and the remix version of jailbird maaaaybe?) with primal scream, NG and paul weller

i posit to you that this is the most 1994est night's indie entertainment of all 1994

umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:13 (two years ago) link

Interesting about Dark End of the Street. I just checked out this playlist Bobby did for the Guardian and he bookends the playlist with different versions. https://open.spotify.com/user/primal-scream/playlist/0v4fWSjpdokf6WitD4xW8F?si=_JOc3z8xQx2omzkhgT8zxA

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:38 (two years ago) link

Will rep for this album, which everyone (including me) forgets, but which is ace:
https://img.discogs.com/8Iw_5E8DHp1p9iNe9k4rBEDvqfo=/fit-in/599x547/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-338842-1264294182.jpeg.jpg

startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:02 (two years ago) link

and I fucking love the end of Pills, you just have to go with it

startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:02 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

this twitter "tribute" to Denise doesn't seem right.

We were sad to hear about the passing of Denise Johnson. Our condolences to her family and friends. Denise's vital contributions to our Screamadelica & Give Out But Don't Give Up albums and tours are a testament to her talent. Precious Memories. ❤️ pic.twitter.com/gTlFiqn0kS

— Primal Scream (@ScreamOfficial) July 28, 2020

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 20:56 (one week ago) link

Actually, maybe it was bad of me to bring that here. Everyone deals with things differently, after all.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 20:59 (one week ago) link

What's wrong with it?

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:04 (one week ago) link

It seemed unfeeling to me but maybe I'm wrong.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:07 (one week ago) link

I had second thoughts as soon as I posted it.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:07 (one week ago) link

It's a bit awkward.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:08 (one week ago) link

Too formal?

Generally, she does seem very well loved.

djh, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:16 (one week ago) link

Perhaps, yes. And yes, she does. I spoke to her at the Glasgow Plaza ballroom PS/The Orb gig that was just before Screamadelica came out and she seemed very nice and very shy.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:23 (one week ago) link

You'd sort of imagine that there would be a beautiful anecdote about a glorious, ridiculous, messy time. I'm sure that will appear in time.

djh, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:30 (one week ago) link

^ just searched, Kris Needs has a twitter but only twooted once

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:38 (one week ago) link

I agree that it reads weirdly. Each of the four sentences in that tweet works to distance the band from Denise Johnson. The odd use of the past tense in the first sentence; making it clear in the second that they're not among her friends; precisely describing the boundaries of her contribution in the third; lastly, reinforcing that it was all in the past. I bet it reflects less ill-feeling towards her and more mild umbrage at the "Primal Scream singer dies" headlines.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 22:24 (one week ago) link

Eyeball Kicks, that's my problem with it, I think. Well said.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 22:39 (one week ago) link

Yes, that was neatly summarized!

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 23:06 (one week ago) link

They sued her over this a year ago.

What a set of wank stains...

This artwork was going on a website where ALL proceeds were going to charity.
Some grass has alerted Primal Scream so now the record company's complained that it infringes copyright.
How can you fucking copyright colours?

And err.. Funkadelic? pic.twitter.com/iiSQgp1I2i

— Denise Johnson (@TheDJohnsonR3AL) May 14, 2019

It's a cold tweet and they should be ashamed of themselves.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 02:06 (one week ago) link

Deafening silence from Boaby.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 09:02 (one week ago) link

I can't believe someone who used to wear a nazi SS badge has been exposed as a peevish grasping shithead!

calzino, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 09:27 (one week ago) link

young Boaby when he was a 2nd rate C86 jangler needs a visit from the ghost of rock 'n' roll past to stop him become a scroogelike miser

calzino, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 09:31 (one week ago) link

Gillespie is resolutely dislikeable, always comes across as a pounding pain in the arse in interviews, and I say that as someone who probably shares about 95% of his political beliefs.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 15:28 (one week ago) link

Terry Christian not holding back....

Luke warm bullshit . You fucked her over like the money grubbing snides you were. Gillespie couldn't even look her in the eye in London 18 months ago. Without her you're just a 2nd rate pub rock outfit...not even shit on her shoes https://t.co/Yz68C4rE6S

— terry christian (@terrychristian) July 29, 2020

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:57 (one week ago) link

damn.

mark e, Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:08 (one week ago) link

Good man, Terry.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:14 (one week ago) link

other than the lawsuit above, what exactly went down between them?

Anyway, I'm glad I saw her a few years back with ACR. She was fantastic.

akm, Thursday, 30 July 2020 21:54 (one week ago) link

TC doesnae miss. Boaby is an arse of a man.

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:30 (one week ago) link

I prefer my Boaby.

(xp) This lawsuit seems more than enough to sour relationships.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:34 (one week ago) link

Reading the Terry Christian thread, it seems that she was uncredited on an album and was dismissed as a backing singer (after having seemed part of the band).

djh, Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:40 (one week ago) link

Yes, there's a screenshot of a tweet from her where she mentions a (legal, I assume) letter to her where her contributions were described as 'insignificant'.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:47 (one week ago) link

wow, that's so horrible.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:50 (one week ago) link

Sueing the only actual black person associated with the band, the band whose singer never stops harping on about how much he uniquely loves black music - great look, Bob!

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 23:02 (one week ago) link

Ugh. She was such a significant part of the band from a listener's perspective at the time, and it seems especially vicious to be so dismissive recently, when the band has had a female bass player as a presumably permanent member for ages

Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 23:11 (one week ago) link

^ oh lol - per wikipedia, Simone Butler, who replaced Debbie Googe, is marked as "2012–28/07/2020"

hmmm

Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 23:19 (one week ago) link


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