the shamen: c/d

What is a chias elf, and I should not post while sleeping, must put something on my phone to stop that.

Botanising, apparently.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/34/08/db3408e72a30f790e83f3fb98353a2aa.jpg

Salvia Hispanica, no less!

https://academic.oup.com/bioinformatics/article/12/3/251/181889

Come on, how many techno artists publish scholarly articles on information technology applications of biochemistry. I sent this to my colleague and I think he's going to try to build one.

I noticed the same collaborator was behind the project to turn the coronavirus's gene sequencing into music:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-scientist-turned-the-coronavirus-into-musicheres-what-it-sounds-like-11593176569

Scientas off Boss Drum *IS* Rainbow Dome Musick by Steve Hillage and I claim my £5!

Got any Salmon Song? Sorted!

LOL, the joke was on me, it wasn't Colin pretending to be Steve Hillage on guitar, it was actually the *real* Steve Hillage...

I accept that at this point, this thread is basically me talking to myself, but why did no one tell me that Arbor Bona Arbor Mala was basically Pentamerous Metamorphosis, with a bit less shoegaze and a bit more Tangerine Dream synth wibble?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFpH-ky38

^^^seriously, who the fuck would hear something this sublime and beautiful and lush, and say "go back and write another Ebeneerzer Goode" - what the fuck planet were their record company even on. I need to find this on CD somehow, because it's missing the last 10 minutes and holy fuck, I need to know how this journey ends.

(Warning: around 23 minutes in, genuinely does contain several minutes of exquisitely good 'extractor fans echoing through the air conditioning ducts' drone concrete wub-wub-wub and I mean that in the best way possible.)

yeah, i love the extra ambient cd.
there was a time shops could not give the 2cd edition away, they were everywhere.
the packaging was mad as well - not a standard jewel case, but foldout cardboard excess.

Hey Mark - just sent you a webmail, not sure if it went through - but basically yes please? Cheers!

Arbor Bona Arbor Mala is pretty interesting, didn't know about that... reminds me of Spacetime Continuum a bit. Have to pick up a copy, looks like it can be had for $5-6.

I read somewhere that post-Shamen:

While Mr. C continued at the helm of his own techno label Plink Plonk, Angus delved into making even more esoteric music, generated through geometric formulas and even with the input of the human brain’s electronic impulses.

...and I would really dearly love to hear it, but apart from a couple of dribs and drabs of the Pablo Sandoz material that have turned up on YouTube, he seems to have disappeared. Sigh. I would have loved to have heard his ~geometrical formula music~ that sounds right up my alley.

That extra cd is great Branwell, if you don’t hear back from Mark I can try and send you files

I've got them, cheers! Diving in now, to see where they left me on their subterranean journey... oh my god the eBow just kicked in and I think I've reached the upper realm? (Is there an Upper Realm in Aztec mythology? I've forgotten my Popol Vuh, and anyway we keep switching back and forth between Aztec, Norse, Greek and Hebrew mythology... I'm kinda lost but I think that's the point!)

(Just checking the first track is actually called Asymptotic Eschaton, as in a curve that is nearing Infinity - not Asymptompatic, which, although more topical in 2020, doesn't really make sense in context?)

if you don’t hear back from Mark I can try and send you files

as if i aint going to help a fellow ilm'r in their hour of need !

I found this, from 2009, so about 10 years ago. Song is absolutely plodding VST plug-in crap, but it's definitely Colin singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68cHwkelCfg

He sounds... ever so slightly frail? (in his bottom register, at least - his top register on the pretty harmony still sounds absolutely fine, which I would have thought was the opposite of how men's voices usually age. By counterpoint, Blixa, who is about the same age, his top range is completely gone but his bottom range has deepened and widened.) Colin's voice is still lovely, even if it doesn't have the same confident self assurance that he positively oozed in 1992. The lyrics just kinda make me want to give him a hug, TBH. (Though I'm not sure he wrote them.)

I do kind of respect people who absolutely just... *vanish* from the music industry like that. I have a lot more respect for him for *refusing* to reform, and actually I suppose it's better that he's not visibly online, propagating 2020 conspiracy woo, the way he was all starry-eyed about cute Terence McKenna eschatology back in the 90s.

Mr C also owned The End and while I don't know how hands on he was his influence on the next decade or so of club music was pretty substantial.

No, it's obvious that Mr C has stayed incredibly visible and busy, and was a total mainstay of London nightlife for decades. He's still on twitter, and pops up in Twitter nostalgia for The Shamen! (Eep.) But Colin just seemed to completely lose interest in making - or at least *releasing* music at all. Which I respect.

Digging through the rumours / substantiated announcements about the mooted reunion discussed, it's also pretty clear that Mr C was actually up for it, but Colin just point blank said, like "no - this is pure recidivism" and that was the actual word he used, which I thought was... interesting.

(Always prefered The KLF's bar to The Shamen's bar anyway ha ha haha oh god how much of my life did I waste there.)

I've flicked through some of the releases on plink plonk / the end a couple of times. Rough going unfortunately!

there are a few gems on plink plonk. this derrick carter one for instance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=129&v=q5Et2Zy4-Eo&feature=emb_title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Et2Zy4-Eo

I do kind of respect people who absolutely just... *vanish* from the music industry like that. I have a lot more respect for him for *refusing* to reform, and actually I suppose it's better that he's not visibly online, propagating 2020 conspiracy woo, the way he was all starry-eyed about cute Terence McKenna eschatology back in the 90s.

this to the power of xxxxx
as much as i would love them to reform for my own personal selfish reasons,
i hope that despite the fact that he was clearly unhappy re OLI and the treatment they received, he is living a comfortable life.

From a Mr C Instagram post last week:

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

From a Mr C Instagram post last week:

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

From a Mr C Instagram post last week :(

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know

From a Mr C Instagram post last week :(

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know

Well the “Colin is from Cults” article posted above in from 2014, and he seems quite well balanced, and happy and contented with his life? Just not very interested in doing music any more. (I did find another interview with a ‘00s era collaborator who said much the same thing - he’s fine, he just has no interest in engaging in music or creativity any more.) Which I completely respect! It’s fine to not want to make music any more.

(And apparently he made enough money off Ebeneezer Goode that he doesn’t need to work any more. Fair does, min!)

Kinda reminds me of Mark Hollis -- when he was done, he was fine with it.

Another recent-ish interview where he seems rather good-naturedly surprised that anyone remembers the band?

http://theshamen.tripod.com

Just seems like he’s moved on and does other stuff with his life. (Would still just generally like to give him a hug and posi-vibes, provided he didn’t headbutt me for overly creepy interest!)

Interesting choice of Popol Vuh album for him to Stan for, but like I ever need an excuse to go dig out some old Krautrock records...

...so I guess it makes sense, that I was looking for the most recent music that he did, and it sounds, well, no surprise, it sounds a bit like Popol Vuh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU1KxSGdkBw

Wandering about the Heath, he just looks like such a nice man, like just a lovely hippie who loves trees and plants and things. Caught By The River were completely right - so many people who were involved in rave just ended up getting into nature, it does seem to be a thing.

His collaborator describes it thusly:

2005-06 ran a bootleg club called Legs and Co with a another producer called Idiotech, ran for a year in trendy shoreditch and had all sorts of guest players. It was about then that I got got a macbook (first of three), learned Ableton around then too which got me noticed by former Shaman Colin Angus, we did a few tracks under the guise of Pablo Sandoz. Two most notable were ‘pyramid’ and ‘the fleet’ he was a tough task master and never content with his compositions so finishing anything was a challenge, i still have about 10 more songs that could be finished but because his workflow involved laying down multiple parts, my laptop choked, add to that his reluctance to use a normal studio and the work remains unfinished, for now. considering STEMS as a means to reopen that can of worms but as he then withdrew from creativity, i respected his desire to cease and desist and we have lost touch.

(man, should have used Reason not Ableton, you could pile on about 64 tracks before it started to choke!)

Nice. The Fleet of course being the river that passes by / under there.

Of course we know nothing of The Fleet in the icen forests of ILX

Of course The Fleet was such a long-term ILX obsession, first dug up at the Great Free Jazz Picnic In The Sky, that I start to worry if maybe Colin Angus was an ILX0r?!?!

(Nah, I think it is just a general ~weird London~ staple, coz Coil also had their lost rivers phase, way before the Shimuras ever got there.)

My interest goes back a bit as well, this being the first record I appeared on ;-)

https://imgur.com/a/Lw9dXlW

This is very off topic but the recordist has had an interesting career in film - https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0789331/filmotype/sound_department?ref_=m_nmfm_1

Haha Noel what on earth is that? I’m on my phone so I can’t see the image clearly?

Not sure this is about the *river* Fleet, tho obvs the walk in the woods very much is along the source of The Fleet (and it’s weird listening to The Fleet whole day literally on the banks of the Effra right now:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gxdSq16RY

But the original doesn’t sound so much like Popol Vuh so much as it sounds like an obscure B-side by some forgotten parlour psych band with a name like ‘The Marmelade Tambourine Consortoum’ (and I am *so* here for that aesthetic!) He really does the voice for that sort of thing down pat, la la laaaa la la

whole day = while I’m sat (wtf, fone?)

Help me, I am becoming steadily more and more obsessed with these wee Scottish rave hippies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkc_IShYHzE

^^^warning, contains rather an excessive amount of Terence McKenna

Not nearly enough Will, tho. Here is some bonus Will content for your delectation (he actually comes across as far more intelligent than Terence McKenna TBH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SI5zwitQps

so there i am scratching around the archive for the ultimate saturday night sonic hit, and struggling.
decide to add a couple of shamen tracks into the playlist.
boom.
this is what i needed all along.

Opiinions of Different Drum? If the idea was an alternative version of Boss Drum then that's a great idea but the actual tracklist doesn't hold together as anything other than a b-sides compilation. It's a disappointment. They skipped some tracks and doubled up on others and didn't pick songs that really flowed together. There must be a better track list, if anyone is familiar enough with the dozens of remixes to attempt such a thing

What Shamen tracks did you add, Mark E?

I've been deep-diving into In Gorbachev We Trust, which is such a weird little time capsule, but also a treasure trove. I'm also realising how completely and thoroughly Jesus Jones ripped off their entire schtick, which is kind of hilarious, like Colin is really gracious about it - but wow. At the time, I was way more familiar with JJ because one of my closest friends was completely in pop-star-love with their singer, so I heard a LOT of JJ - but becoming more familiar with that era of the Shamen, the theft really was quite shameless.

What is Different Drum? I thought it was just a remix album (I've got a ton of remixes on the Hits and Mixes album, which are DJ'd into really nice continual mixes that flow really beautifully). I find Boss Drum really weird, like it's the album I connect with the least, even though it has the singles I am most familiar with. It seems kinda weird that *that* was the really successful one, given how uneven it is - but I suppose that's down to Ebeneezer Goode.

Coming to the conclusion that with the occasional exception - the original version of En-Tact; Arbor Bona Arbor Mala - they are a singles band way, way more than an albums band. And I'm not sure that's entirely a record company problem - because as much as I've grown to love UV, that is also kind of a patchy album. I do think Colin is an artist who needs an editor.

just a few of the various beatmaster remixes of the pop stuff, and then the big megamix on the 2nd cd of the hits collection.

re different drum : never listened to it as an album, i just dip into it and select a track here and there.
never even thought it was meant to be listened to as a complete album.

Huh, looking at the track listing, it seems like it might be worth giving it a listen as a 'remixed album' - I'd be much happier with an instrumental version of Fatman, for example, which has always been a wincing moment for me.

They just had such a huge profusion of remixes (I was reading that there were like 35 different officially released remixes of, I think Pro>Gen / Move Any Mountain!!!!) it's hard to remember sometimes which is the one I like. For example, Heal (The Separation) - the mix on Hits and Mixes - I just had to check, it's Help New Edit - is much better than the album version. There's a middle 8 or a pre-chorus or something, where the vocal harmonies just don't meld on the album version, while the edit is just pure tone-cluster gorgeousness.

(Watching the You, Me and Everything video again just reminds me, like I know Will Sin was apparently 6 feet tall, but Colin looks like a *child* standing in front of him, the way Will just looms over him, he is really wee, isn't he, aw, I'm so smitten this is absurd.)

HA-HEm. Yes. remixes.

I dug out Boss Drum after all the chatter on this thread, it had to be 15 years since I last listened. Singles hold up, but I was surprised to like some of the album tracks, which I remembered as terrible. I probably have more patience for spoken-word lectures over instrumental passages than I did back then

En-tact I still listen to from time to time. Sounds like I should go farther back huh?

Haha, are you talking about Re:evolution? I go back and forth on that track, according to my mood. Like, sometimes I can be all ~oh wow echelons of the eschaton in hyperspace woooowwww groovy thoughts maaaaaan~ and sometimes I'm just like 'STFU Terence McKenna' - these days I find old-fashioned woo almost... charming? Like, aw, crystals and UFOs and crop circles, how sweet - compared to the woo of today.

I found a copy of In Gorbachev We Trust on Discogs, and it totally holds up. I'm enjoying that immensely - angry, political Colin, before he discovered Ecstasy and mellowed out into a groovy hippie. (Or maybe that's the Will on the record. I don't think so? There's still angry, political stuff on Drop, which was recorded before Will joined. But I haven't entirely worked out which songs on that are Colin and which are Derek, because their voices are very similar, while Will had a completely different accent.)

What is You, Me and Everything from? Is that from the Phoward e.p. because that's the one where I haven't found the whole thing yet, I've only heard bits and pieces on YouTube.

Like, this is Derek's singing voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRrVg_jdzIs

This is angry, political Colin's singing voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haolNTLsNIA

(On bass no less! but it makes so much sense that he started as a bass player - given his later interest in bass-driven dance music, bassists definitely believe in Bassism. It brings me joy that Colin is a 'hold the bass up high like you're cuddling it' bassist as opposed to a 'sling the bass down low like you are fucking it' bassist.)

Yep the McKenna track. I think I was in the right mood for it. I'm gonna listen to In Gorbachev We Trust next!

It's sooooo good! Let me know what you think, I'm excited to hear other people's first impressions of it.

i had the mix cd since it came out and keep listening to it regularly. it's great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAcXS0qLEw

was kinda surprised at how decent moby remixes are, first two here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDZl45hGQ0

hardfloor remix of eschaton is probably my favorite of the bunch (the instrumental one, vocals on the vocal one seem completely out of place)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWNRhdO9VG8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6xuEo485Vo

what other remixes are good? tempted to get this: https://www.discogs.com/Shamen-The-Complete-Shamen-CD-Singles-Box-Set/release/1770245