the shamen: c/d

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"we are phorever people and we don't have to look too far to find ourselves!"

as many times as i'd heard "second summer of love" until i went back to my old copy of boss drum, i never realised how much hippies the shamer were. was this a theme common amongst aciders? were they actually as daft as hippies?

matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes. Yes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Not that any mountain is capable of moving..."

Pragmatism=not a hippie trait.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"Well, you KNOW that any mountain is capable of moving..."

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that how it goes?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

But...that's not funny, Don't like it.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

more here http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/4138/shlyrics.htm read LSI

el wanko, Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Fat Man"???? I don't remember that one.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll take the Beloved instead. The Shamen are frozen in time.

Ben Williams, Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

comin' on like an sevenf sense!

matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i wonder what happened to the sixth sense.

matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

You can see it if you use pronoia

Ben Williams, Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The only band who have come from the Electronica camp and managed to combine electronica with more traditional song structures in a great way.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course!

Ben Williams, Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, geir!

matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

haha flatmate gave me a copy of Axis Mutatis on cassette she found. "destination eschaton"! i physically could not continue listening without thrashing about with convulsive laughter! daftest lyrix evah!
the instrumental "bonus cassette" was non-distracting in a nu-age sorta way.

(i have a grudge against "ebeneezer goode" for coming RIGHT AFTER "papua new guinea" on my rave nation comp - ie there is no time whatsoever between "png" ending & "a wise philosopher once told me nawwty nawwty nawwty", ugh).

Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 25 April 2003 09:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Drop, In Gorbachev We Trust and Phorward are all great and I;ve a lot of time for En-Tact. Boss Drum is, shall we say, a little daft. But basically a classic band.

tigerclawskank, Friday, 25 April 2003 10:20 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330289640769

free p&p though.

mark e, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

The reason for the sale is that Mr.C will be moving to another country in the summer of 2009 & believes that these records would be better being used by someone that will love them & value them as he does instead of them simply sitting in storage forever.

I actually like this. Hope it goes through, why not?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

i'd love to see a list of the collection - bet there are some crackers in there.
and yes, it will be interesting to see if this one flys as opposed to some of these other big collection auctions that have famously failed to sell.

mark e, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

On one hand yes, on the other hand I can't imagine ditching my "life's work" like that, but then again I am overly sentimental about my music collection.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

i just misheard a snippet of 'move any mountain' as severed heads' 'dead eyes opened'.. i wonder if there's some influence there...?

mr bollock apple (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 10:20 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

any news re the recent reformation rumours ?

[app. as a consequence of colin getting on stage during underworlds set]

also, seems that the bands old 'nemetom' site has been restored : http://www.nemeton.com/

mark e, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:48 (ten years ago) link

I was playing a lot of En-Tact last week, it is amazing how that album (UK version) is 20 years old and still rock-solid from start to finish.

Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:52 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i need to check that out again
(the uk version = the one with all the big name remixes ? orbital ? )
from my faltering grey cells, was their best album methinks.
though i did like acid house mini lp phorward more at the time.
i think i have bought boss drum in recent years and the remix album, and never actually listened to either of them.
time to go a digging in the archive.

mark e, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:59 (ten years ago) link

Funny, I had a mini Shamen revival well, in my head, in the past few weeks.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:00 (ten years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En-Tact

I think you mean the US one (which did have the Orbit remix of "Hyperreal" which is flat-out stunning; I never got the US version because I hated the remix of "Pro-Gen" and I already had the "Hyperreal" single)

Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:01 (ten years ago) link

13."Hear Me O My People" (Orbital - Delays Expected) (Mix by Orbital) – 7:24

this is amazing if i recall correctly.

tis the original UK version thats hidden in the archive.

mark e, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:02 (ten years ago) link

omg haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgpeJV0-qHI&feature=related

xp: yeah that track is BLINDING

Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:03 (ten years ago) link

I would have had the US version but I've been listening to the Spotify version, whichever that is (it has about 18 more remixes on it.) And now I am going to go and listen to it again, hurrah.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:04 (ten years ago) link

Yes, it's the US version that Spotify has.

Everything just that wubulationtone all over it and makes me instantly happy.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:06 (ten years ago) link

The original "Pro-Gen" has a harder drum loop, which melted my MIND when I heard it in high school; I think it was the first import I ever actively sought out.

Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:08 (ten years ago) link

The video for Move Any Mountain! I'd never seen it! Wow. I love that whole late 80s/early 90s wacky Stadium House video vibe.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:11 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

so, the reformation never happened.
shame.
i still think that 'in gorbachev we trust' is the ultimate album that mixed guitar psych and early days acid house machine noise brilliantly with the political paranoia of the day.
bloody hell, just realised, it's the albums 25th anniversary.
while i may feel old and tired, the album still sounds fresh and relevant.

mark e, Friday, 15 August 2014 17:06 (six years ago) link

This revive prompted me to revisit The Shamen on Spotify and I'm very happy I did. It's been a very long time since I listened to them.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 August 2014 17:37 (six years ago) link

apparently the gorbachev album is not on spotify !?

mark e, Friday, 15 August 2014 17:38 (six years ago) link

and yes, i think its a good time to revisit ..

apart from the HIT, they released a lot of really good stuff ..

mark e, Friday, 15 August 2014 17:39 (six years ago) link

the jump in sonics between '.. gorbachev' and 'en-tact' is insane ..

has any other band had such a massive leap between albums ?

mark e, Friday, 15 August 2014 17:46 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

charity shop brilliance today.
spotted 'boss drum' in the cd racks, so pulled it out to see condition as I already have it on cd, but hey, for a coin.
and there on the cover, was a sticker : 'limited edition double pack Boss Drum + En-tact TPLP42CL/CDL''
sure enough, there was a perfect cd copy of the US edition of the En-tact as an extra cd, with both full cd covers/inlays so you can choose the album cover you prefer.
happy daze, as I have never heard the US edition in full.
of course, I probably have the remixes on various compilations and such, but for a coin, this was a proper bargain.

mark e, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 15:41 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

If YouTube is any indication a significant section of the listening public are or have been under the impression that the lyrics to LSI are "Love, Sex and Janet Jackson."

Basil Ker-ching (Noel Emits), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 21:58 (one month ago) link

I don't know if it's the music, or the associations, but these guys are just my single most go-to prescription for instant, total euphoria and silly, giddy happiness.

I literally keep The Shamen Collection: Hits and Bonus Remixes in the pedastal by my bed, because it is the fastest-acting stimulant and antidepressant I have ever known.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 07:51 (one month ago) link

This one works wonders for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQG1xSdNZVY

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 09:59 (one month ago) link

The associations feel very silly to me whenever I actually listen to The Shamen but I'm always so glad they're there in the abstract. Utopian early 90s hippy house feels so diametrically opposite from where we are now that it's almost impossible not to look upon it with affection. And I'm not sure any act made the jump from hippy to high street so comprehensively? Like, they were massive and now basically written out of history.

The pop narratives of the 90s really underplay quite how hippy the first few years of the decade were and quite how pronounced the impact on mainstream culture could be, like The Orb had multiple top 40 hits, the Levellers had number one albums, that Swampy dude was a nationally recognised household name. Britpop basically killed all that but even the narratives that attempt to redress the balance in early 90s music tend to focus on eg shoegazing while overlooking how massive the whole hippy thing was. (And maybe with good reason, it's maybe difficult to make a lot of that stuff look cool, or even any good).

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 10:22 (one month ago) link

'New age' whiteboy ragga toasting, early 90's trippy visuals & *checks notes* an oiled up Jason Statham in speedos and docs = classic

https://youtu.be/wFB3q0mMBK8

(the one with 3 L's) (Willl), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:00 (one month ago) link

There was also the whole free festival/Megadog thing in the early 90s that had very hippy overtones xp

And Ozric Tentacles were much bigger than they had any right to be

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:06 (one month ago) link

I mean just aesthetically there's an awful lot going on in that video.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:25 (one month ago) link

Like, "great sci-fi Gaian cyberpunk vibes guys, could you maybe a stick a few oiled up buff guys in there as well? There's a bit of space there where you could put them".

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:34 (one month ago) link

Holy hell that video is something!!

PLUR, man. PLUR. Groove IIIISSSS in the Heart.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:35 (one month ago) link

To this day, I do not know if Mr C was Gay Or Just British

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:36 (one month ago) link

He's married to someone called Xochitl... so I still don't know.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 12:00 (one month ago) link

Arbor Bona Arbor Mala is pretty interesting, didn't know about that... reminds me of Spacetime Continuum a bit. Have to pick up a copy, looks like it can be had for $5-6.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 August 2020 15:37 (three weeks ago) link

I read somewhere that post-Shamen:

While Mr. C continued at the helm of his own techno label Plink Plonk, Angus delved into making even more esoteric music, generated through geometric formulas and even with the input of the human brain’s electronic impulses.

...and I would really dearly love to hear it, but apart from a couple of dribs and drabs of the Pablo Sandoz material that have turned up on YouTube, he seems to have disappeared. Sigh. I would have loved to have heard his ~geometrical formula music~ that sounds right up my alley.

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 27 August 2020 15:49 (three weeks ago) link

That extra cd is great Branwell, if you don’t hear back from Mark I can try and send you files

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 27 August 2020 17:35 (three weeks ago) link

I've got them, cheers! Diving in now, to see where they left me on their subterranean journey... oh my god the eBow just kicked in and I think I've reached the upper realm? (Is there an Upper Realm in Aztec mythology? I've forgotten my Popol Vuh, and anyway we keep switching back and forth between Aztec, Norse, Greek and Hebrew mythology... I'm kinda lost but I think that's the point!)

(Just checking the first track is actually called Asymptotic Eschaton, as in a curve that is nearing Infinity - not Asymptompatic, which, although more topical in 2020, doesn't really make sense in context?)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 27 August 2020 18:34 (three weeks ago) link

if you don’t hear back from Mark I can try and send you files

as if i aint going to help a fellow ilm'r in their hour of need !

mark e, Thursday, 27 August 2020 19:38 (three weeks ago) link

I found this, from 2009, so about 10 years ago. Song is absolutely plodding VST plug-in crap, but it's definitely Colin singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68cHwkelCfg

He sounds... ever so slightly frail? (in his bottom register, at least - his top register on the pretty harmony still sounds absolutely fine, which I would have thought was the opposite of how men's voices usually age. By counterpoint, Blixa, who is about the same age, his top range is completely gone but his bottom range has deepened and widened.) Colin's voice is still lovely, even if it doesn't have the same confident self assurance that he positively oozed in 1992. The lyrics just kinda make me want to give him a hug, TBH. (Though I'm not sure he wrote them.)

I do kind of respect people who absolutely just... *vanish* from the music industry like that. I have a lot more respect for him for *refusing* to reform, and actually I suppose it's better that he's not visibly online, propagating 2020 conspiracy woo, the way he was all starry-eyed about cute Terence McKenna eschatology back in the 90s.

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, 28 August 2020 13:50 (three weeks ago) link

Mr C also owned The End and while I don't know how hands on he was his influence on the next decade or so of club music was pretty substantial.

Matt DC, Friday, 28 August 2020 13:54 (three weeks ago) link

No, it's obvious that Mr C has stayed incredibly visible and busy, and was a total mainstay of London nightlife for decades. He's still on twitter, and pops up in Twitter nostalgia for The Shamen! (Eep.) But Colin just seemed to completely lose interest in making - or at least *releasing* music at all. Which I respect.

Digging through the rumours / substantiated announcements about the mooted reunion discussed, it's also pretty clear that Mr C was actually up for it, but Colin just point blank said, like "no - this is pure recidivism" and that was the actual word he used, which I thought was... interesting.

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, 28 August 2020 14:01 (three weeks ago) link

(Always prefered The KLF's bar to The Shamen's bar anyway ha ha haha oh god how much of my life did I waste there.)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, 28 August 2020 14:05 (three weeks ago) link

I've flicked through some of the releases on plink plonk / the end a couple of times. Rough going unfortunately!

saer, Friday, 28 August 2020 16:33 (three weeks ago) link

there are a few gems on plink plonk. this derrick carter one for instance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=129&v=q5Et2Zy4-Eo&feature=emb_title

stirmonster, Friday, 28 August 2020 16:38 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Et2Zy4-Eo

stirmonster, Friday, 28 August 2020 16:39 (three weeks ago) link

I do kind of respect people who absolutely just... *vanish* from the music industry like that. I have a lot more respect for him for *refusing* to reform, and actually I suppose it's better that he's not visibly online, propagating 2020 conspiracy woo, the way he was all starry-eyed about cute Terence McKenna eschatology back in the 90s.

this to the power of xxxxx
as much as i would love them to reform for my own personal selfish reasons,
i hope that despite the fact that he was clearly unhappy re OLI and the treatment they received, he is living a comfortable life.

mark e, Friday, 28 August 2020 18:01 (three weeks ago) link

From a Mr C Instagram post last week:

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

chonky floof (groovypanda), Friday, 28 August 2020 20:24 (three weeks ago) link

From a Mr C Instagram post last week:

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

chonky floof (groovypanda), Friday, 28 August 2020 20:26 (three weeks ago) link

From a Mr C Instagram post last week :(

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know

chonky floof (groovypanda), Friday, 28 August 2020 20:28 (three weeks ago) link

From a Mr C Instagram post last week :(

I want to know if you’re still in contact with Colin and wtf is he up to?!

mrcsuperfreq: Not really & I don’t know

chonky floof (groovypanda), Friday, 28 August 2020 20:28 (three weeks ago) link

Well the “Colin is from Cults” article posted above in from 2014, and he seems quite well balanced, and happy and contented with his life? Just not very interested in doing music any more. (I did find another interview with a ‘00s era collaborator who said much the same thing - he’s fine, he just has no interest in engaging in music or creativity any more.) Which I completely respect! It’s fine to not want to make music any more.

(And apparently he made enough money off Ebeneezer Goode that he doesn’t need to work any more. Fair does, min!)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, 28 August 2020 21:04 (three weeks ago) link

Kinda reminds me of Mark Hollis -- when he was done, he was fine with it.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 August 2020 21:11 (three weeks ago) link

Another recent-ish interview where he seems rather good-naturedly surprised that anyone remembers the band?

http://theshamen.tripod.com

Just seems like he’s moved on and does other stuff with his life. (Would still just generally like to give him a hug and posi-vibes, provided he didn’t headbutt me for overly creepy interest!)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, 28 August 2020 21:33 (three weeks ago) link

Interesting choice of Popol Vuh album for him to Stan for, but like I ever need an excuse to go dig out some old Krautrock records...

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, 28 August 2020 21:55 (three weeks ago) link

...so I guess it makes sense, that I was looking for the most recent music that he did, and it sounds, well, no surprise, it sounds a bit like Popol Vuh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU1KxSGdkBw

Wandering about the Heath, he just looks like such a nice man, like just a lovely hippie who loves trees and plants and things. Caught By The River were completely right - so many people who were involved in rave just ended up getting into nature, it does seem to be a thing.

His collaborator describes it thusly:

2005-06 ran a bootleg club called Legs and Co with a another producer called Idiotech, ran for a year in trendy shoreditch and had all sorts of guest players. It was about then that I got got a macbook (first of three), learned Ableton around then too which got me noticed by former Shaman Colin Angus, we did a few tracks under the guise of Pablo Sandoz. Two most notable were ‘pyramid’ and ‘the fleet’ he was a tough task master and never content with his compositions so finishing anything was a challenge, i still have about 10 more songs that could be finished but because his workflow involved laying down multiple parts, my laptop choked, add to that his reluctance to use a normal studio and the work remains unfinished, for now. considering STEMS as a means to reopen that can of worms but as he then withdrew from creativity, i respected his desire to cease and desist and we have lost touch.

(man, should have used Reason not Ableton, you could pile on about 64 tracks before it started to choke!)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 29 August 2020 07:50 (three weeks ago) link

Nice. The Fleet of course being the river that passes by / under there.

grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Saturday, 29 August 2020 10:33 (three weeks ago) link

Of course we know nothing of The Fleet in the icen forests of ILX

Of course The Fleet was such a long-term ILX obsession, first dug up at the Great Free Jazz Picnic In The Sky, that I start to worry if maybe Colin Angus was an ILX0r?!?!

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 29 August 2020 11:56 (three weeks ago) link

(Nah, I think it is just a general ~weird London~ staple, coz Coil also had their lost rivers phase, way before the Shimuras ever got there.)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 29 August 2020 11:58 (three weeks ago) link

My interest goes back a bit as well, this being the first record I appeared on ;-)

https://imgur.com/a/Lw9dXlW

grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Saturday, 29 August 2020 12:27 (three weeks ago) link

This is very off topic but the recordist has had an interesting career in film - https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0789331/filmotype/sound_department?ref_=m_nmfm_1

grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Saturday, 29 August 2020 12:32 (three weeks ago) link

Haha Noel what on earth is that? I’m on my phone so I can’t see the image clearly?

Not sure this is about the *river* Fleet, tho obvs the walk in the woods very much is along the source of The Fleet (and it’s weird listening to The Fleet whole day literally on the banks of the Effra right now:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gxdSq16RY

But the original doesn’t sound so much like Popol Vuh so much as it sounds like an obscure B-side by some forgotten parlour psych band with a name like ‘The Marmelade Tambourine Consortoum’ (and I am *so* here for that aesthetic!) He really does the voice for that sort of thing down pat, la la laaaa la la

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 29 August 2020 12:50 (three weeks ago) link

whole day = while I’m sat (wtf, fone?)

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 29 August 2020 12:51 (three weeks ago) link

Help me, I am becoming steadily more and more obsessed with these wee Scottish rave hippies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkc_IShYHzE

^^^warning, contains rather an excessive amount of Terence McKenna

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Monday, 7 September 2020 12:13 (two weeks ago) link

Not nearly enough Will, tho. Here is some bonus Will content for your delectation (he actually comes across as far more intelligent than Terence McKenna TBH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SI5zwitQps

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Monday, 7 September 2020 12:14 (two weeks ago) link

so there i am scratching around the archive for the ultimate saturday night sonic hit, and struggling.
decide to add a couple of shamen tracks into the playlist.
boom.
this is what i needed all along.

mark e, Saturday, 12 September 2020 20:11 (one week ago) link

Opiinions of Different Drum? If the idea was an alternative version of Boss Drum then that's a great idea but the actual tracklist doesn't hold together as anything other than a b-sides compilation. It's a disappointment. They skipped some tracks and doubled up on others and didn't pick songs that really flowed together. There must be a better track list, if anyone is familiar enough with the dozens of remixes to attempt such a thing

everything, Saturday, 12 September 2020 23:55 (one week ago) link

What Shamen tracks did you add, Mark E?

I've been deep-diving into In Gorbachev We Trust, which is such a weird little time capsule, but also a treasure trove. I'm also realising how completely and thoroughly Jesus Jones ripped off their entire schtick, which is kind of hilarious, like Colin is really gracious about it - but wow. At the time, I was way more familiar with JJ because one of my closest friends was completely in pop-star-love with their singer, so I heard a LOT of JJ - but becoming more familiar with that era of the Shamen, the theft really was quite shameless.

What is Different Drum? I thought it was just a remix album (I've got a ton of remixes on the Hits and Mixes album, which are DJ'd into really nice continual mixes that flow really beautifully). I find Boss Drum really weird, like it's the album I connect with the least, even though it has the singles I am most familiar with. It seems kinda weird that *that* was the really successful one, given how uneven it is - but I suppose that's down to Ebeneezer Goode.

Coming to the conclusion that with the occasional exception - the original version of En-Tact; Arbor Bona Arbor Mala - they are a singles band way, way more than an albums band. And I'm not sure that's entirely a record company problem - because as much as I've grown to love UV, that is also kind of a patchy album. I do think Colin is an artist who needs an editor.

Specific and Limited Interests (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 07:58 (one week ago) link

just a few of the various beatmaster remixes of the pop stuff, and then the big megamix on the 2nd cd of the hits collection.

re different drum : never listened to it as an album, i just dip into it and select a track here and there.
never even thought it was meant to be listened to as a complete album.

mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 08:56 (one week ago) link

Huh, looking at the track listing, it seems like it might be worth giving it a listen as a 'remixed album' - I'd be much happier with an instrumental version of Fatman, for example, which has always been a wincing moment for me.

They just had such a huge profusion of remixes (I was reading that there were like 35 different officially released remixes of, I think Pro>Gen / Move Any Mountain!!!!) it's hard to remember sometimes which is the one I like. For example, Heal (The Separation) - the mix on Hits and Mixes - I just had to check, it's Help New Edit - is much better than the album version. There's a middle 8 or a pre-chorus or something, where the vocal harmonies just don't meld on the album version, while the edit is just pure tone-cluster gorgeousness.

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:42 (one week ago) link

(Watching the You, Me and Everything video again just reminds me, like I know Will Sin was apparently 6 feet tall, but Colin looks like a *child* standing in front of him, the way Will just looms over him, he is really wee, isn't he, aw, I'm so smitten this is absurd.)

HA-HEm. Yes. remixes.

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:56 (one week ago) link

I dug out Boss Drum after all the chatter on this thread, it had to be 15 years since I last listened. Singles hold up, but I was surprised to like some of the album tracks, which I remembered as terrible. I probably have more patience for spoken-word lectures over instrumental passages than I did back then

En-tact I still listen to from time to time. Sounds like I should go farther back huh?

Vinnie, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:07 (one week ago) link

Haha, are you talking about Re:evolution? I go back and forth on that track, according to my mood. Like, sometimes I can be all ~oh wow echelons of the eschaton in hyperspace woooowwww groovy thoughts maaaaaan~ and sometimes I'm just like 'STFU Terence McKenna' - these days I find old-fashioned woo almost... charming? Like, aw, crystals and UFOs and crop circles, how sweet - compared to the woo of today.

I found a copy of In Gorbachev We Trust on Discogs, and it totally holds up. I'm enjoying that immensely - angry, political Colin, before he discovered Ecstasy and mellowed out into a groovy hippie. (Or maybe that's the Will on the record. I don't think so? There's still angry, political stuff on Drop, which was recorded before Will joined. But I haven't entirely worked out which songs on that are Colin and which are Derek, because their voices are very similar, while Will had a completely different accent.)

What is You, Me and Everything from? Is that from the Phoward e.p. because that's the one where I haven't found the whole thing yet, I've only heard bits and pieces on YouTube.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 07:40 (one week ago) link

Like, this is Derek's singing voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRrVg_jdzIs

This is angry, political Colin's singing voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haolNTLsNIA

(On bass no less! but it makes so much sense that he started as a bass player - given his later interest in bass-driven dance music, bassists definitely believe in Bassism. It brings me joy that Colin is a 'hold the bass up high like you're cuddling it' bassist as opposed to a 'sling the bass down low like you are fucking it' bassist.)

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 07:46 (one week ago) link

Yep the McKenna track. I think I was in the right mood for it. I'm gonna listen to In Gorbachev We Trust next!

Vinnie, Monday, 14 September 2020 13:50 (one week ago) link

It's sooooo good! Let me know what you think, I'm excited to hear other people's first impressions of it.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:52 (one week ago) link

i had the mix cd since it came out and keep listening to it regularly. it's great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAcXS0qLEw

was kinda surprised at how decent moby remixes are, first two here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDZl45hGQ0

hardfloor remix of eschaton is probably my favorite of the bunch (the instrumental one, vocals on the vocal one seem completely out of place)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWNRhdO9VG8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6xuEo485Vo

what other remixes are good? tempted to get this: https://www.discogs.com/Shamen-The-Complete-Shamen-CD-Singles-Box-Set/release/1770245

scanner darkly, Friday, 18 September 2020 02:52 (four days ago) link

I've been a Shamen fan in the US since like '92 when I got En-Tact (US edition). I've still never heard UV. Saw it used on CD at the same place a few times ages ago but never picked it up. Kinda regret that.

warsaw303, Friday, 18 September 2020 03:16 (four days ago) link

big fave -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IazzpaUOkoY

stirmonster, Friday, 18 September 2020 03:19 (four days ago) link

Argh, that Beltram dub, the instrumentation is really great, but the bassline and the vocals are just slightly off synch and phasing in the wrong place and it's bugging the hell out of me. (Also, as much as people complain about Mr C - I really do find that I miss something when his raps aren't there? Like, the slight irritant is neccessary to the pleasure of the experience.)

Oh lord that remix box set ... my eyes are going all big with cupidity, but no, I will be strong. I need to resist box sets, I do not have the space for them.

UV really is for hardcore fans only, but I do love it. The lyrics are absurd, but you should already know that, from everything after Destination Eschaton. (I'm so glad I'm not in the office, so no one has to hear me wandering about, warbling "open up the Staaaaar-gate, let everybody enter!" because that song is so insanely catchy.) Some of their experiments into drum n bass don't entirely work, but it's still a fun album.

(I will carry on saying this until everyone listens to it and then they come back to me like o_0 Branwell what is all this shit about crystals and UFOs and me just clutching it screaming 'but I love them, ok!')

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 07:42 (four days ago) link

I've still never heard UV. Saw it used on CD at the same place a few times ages ago but never picked it up.

not heard UV, never seen it out in the wild so not been able to grab a copy.
yet.

mark e, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:52 (four days ago) link

::quiet voice::

it's on YouTube?

::scarpers away::

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 09:01 (four days ago) link

sorry - i don't do youtube stuff, can't stream to my sonos/stereo

mark e, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:06 (four days ago) link

I have ever noticed the flaws in that Beltram mix all these years. Cloth ears!

stirmonster, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:30 (four days ago) link


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