― alex in montreal, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― David Raposa, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Sonic Youth 'at their best' - well, I've heard it said that SY were
great last year. I saw them last year and it was maybe the worst gig
I've ever seen - worse than YLT 2001. So I'm not sure that the SY
comparison does YLT favours in my eyes (though I expect it will for
― the pinefox, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Geoff, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Last time I saw them --- on their sit-down, chill-out tour for And
Then Nothing. . . --- there was a palpable and sort of
disappointing absence of noise. Ira played one of his incredible
drunken-swerving solos for "Stockholm Syndrome," got the biggest
crowd reaction of the night, and then . . . nothing. Obviously I
don't mean to criticize, as the stated point of the tour was to
concentrate on the other side of their sound, but . . . it was just
odd to watch a guitar player deliberately holding back the abilities
that would impress listeners most obviously. I suppose that's pretty
admirable, when you think about it . . .
― Nitsuh, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
the big difference lately has been where the jams come in: the songs
used to start normally and then deconstruct into a jam; now, the jams
start as a lot of unrelated noodeling that (eventually) coheres into
a song. it can be rewarding to listen to, but takes a lot of
patience -- and they don't always pull it off.
― bucky wunderlick, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
For some reason, I always have a better time at YLT if I'm sitting
down. Having seen them in the two theatres at the Royal Festival Hall,
(one time with Sonic Boom along for the ride...) I thought they were
one of the best bands I'd ever seen in my life- adventurous, chaotic,
spontaneous, yet tightly controlled and disciplined. Amazing shows.
And then I saw then a few months ago, at an overcrowded, poorly
sounded show in Shepherds Bush, and I thought they were one of the
worst bands I'd ever seen in my life, their solos interminable and
their free jazz intolerable.
So, it really can vary, depending on both the band, and the state in
which you see them (mentally, not as in US)
Sonic Youth at ATP2000 has gone down in the dictionary as The Worst
Show Ever Performed By A Rock Band. No, really, look it up, there's a
little picture of Kim and her trumpet.
― masonic boom, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
I'm afraid I can't live with Nitsuh's ref to 'abilities'. My feeling
was, here's an average rock guitar player - come to think of it, a
BAD rock guitar player, by the standards of most professional-type
axe-workers - and he's going to prove it ad nauseam.
― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Jason, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Dave M., Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― keith, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
When I go to a concert I want more than there is on the record. I
want that the band play a set just for me, something unique, which
will never be reproduced. That is also the reason why I love
improvisations. And YLT and SY do exactly that. They make me feel
that I am part of the show. They make human music, MBV does not. And
live shows are not about perfection. Especially the imperfect bits,
the false tones, the unplanned things make the charm of a live show.
@Josh: You should go and see them. You have missed something.
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Keithkey is spot-on. And comparing that YLT geezer to Hendrix seems
to me a serious critical misjudgement - like comparing, um, Simon
Armitage to Wyndham Lewis or something. No, worse than that.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
To the others: try for loads of Yo
La Tengo live songs. Blue Line Swinger is a classic for example. I
like the version at St. Louis which is stretched to ten minutes. The
song evolves very slowly. Almost like Low's cover of Joy Division's
Transmission (one of the few covers which can compete with the
original). I must admit I did not have the time to listen to all
these mp3's. Anyways next time they are around and they love Germany
and Germany loves them I will go to see them.
― gareth, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Sonic Youth played the single most amazing
live show I have ever seen , at the ICA in
1983 or 1984. The three or four times I have
seen them since they have been boring: I
realise I have been buying records and
liking them purely in expectation of having
a repeat experience delivered. Nothing
suggests to me that this *cannot* occur: but
it *may* not. I have next to no opinion abt Yo
La Tengo either way.
― mark s, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
To Alex in all seriousness -- well, again, a matter of perception here.
Were you fortunate enough to attend, you might have found the YLT set
opening for MBV involved and interesting, but as mentioned for me aside
from the one song it was crudulous (I vaguely remember Ira starting on
stage flailing all around on his guitar and trying to 'rock out,' I
guess -- it looked stupid and I wasn't impressed). MBV, for my money,
had enough get-into-it live energy to easily carry the performance --
Deb Googe was always the most active of the bunch, unquestionably, but
on things like the 35-minute (yes!) version of the "You Made Me
Realize" midsong jam that I saw at the second show everybody seemed
possessed by the music and performance. To be sure, Kevin and Bilinda
were mostly concentrating on what they were playing and getting it
across -- but the music itself was so enveloping, it was insane. The
first time I saw them that year, the overcrowded, packed club audience
were constantly swaying back and forth, unsteady, a queasy slow-motion
pit while the band blasted away. Who needed acrobatics on the stage
itself at that point?
As for Sonic Youth's alleged improv skills -- hm. The one time I saw
them back in 1999, it was just after the equipment theft, so I allowed
for the fact that it was a greatest hits set of a sort and fairly
conservative all around, played on borrowed equipment and generally not
being much different from what was on record (they did at least do my
all time favorite SY song "Mote," though, so I was very pleased).
Great was my surprise when I learned from a friend who had been at both
that show and the SF show just before the instrument theft that they
had played *the same exact set*. I had been resolutely unconvinced by
them over time, and that just made it all the worse.
And don't knock the Pinefox -- like it or not, Alex, there *are* people
with different opinions from yourself who will hold to that opinion
just as strongly as you do yours. ;-)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Wait -- so for a comeback, you're making fun of the fact that he's
from Germany? That crosses the line, IMHO, especially
inasmuch as his English is just fine; I suspect you wouldn't do
that with someone from Japan, or Ghana, or so on. Attack his
arguments, if you like, but not his ethnicity.
As for Yo La Tengo, surprisingly, I know very little of their
recorded output. However, when I saw them live in May 1998
(my band, among others, opened for them), I enjoyed it quite a
bit. Talkative college students ruined all the quiet songs (which
were very good otherwise), and the loud songs were fun -- Ira
was tossing his guitar everywhere, squalling and howling. It
was a good time.
― Phil, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
To the previous question:
I found YLT to be quite enjoyable live. A very professional, tight
band who know when to let go and when to come back in.
I missed them at the Town Hall shows here in town tho, and
have never been to a sit-down show with them. I'm sure it's on
par with Kronos or going to hear chamber music.
― JM, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
which is why the sonic youth comparisons mystify me, unless we're
only talking about the last two sy geffen albums, and even that's
doubtful. maybe i haven't heard the right ylt but what i heard just
sounded like another, albeit better-than-average, music-for-old-
people indie-mumble band. i don't see a "death valley '69" coming out
of that bunch anytime soon.
i didn't think sy were especially known for their improvisations
live. most of what's on the records sounds pretty through-composed
to me. obviously they stretch out some songs but they were never a
postpunk dead afaik. too bad to hear they were in poor form at atp
last year. i saw them last summer in montreal and they were good,
though the show was short. they even opened with a searing version
of "burning spear" and did stellar versions of "schizophrenia"
and "kool thing," closing with an extended "nyc g&f." their workout
through their whole back catalogue did make me appreciate that i like
some parts of it a lot more than others.
― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
@Pinefox: Nice reply. I could not stop laughing (I am dead serious).
But how about:
Who are you mainhattan characters? They are only, like you say and
with energy supply people. They seem, in the music bang so much,
versed to be (you know mouse also Falco Jacob, swing me, amadeus, OH -
. I would like to know well-being their world opinion in the morning.
It neckt Karikaturbonfire it I). If you go into such a way on
writing, it, type of merry, is you is, like film star of years 20.
Therefore they like, everything are good you in the love music of the
Now it makes sense. Thanks to Babelfish.
So you like Lloyd Cole? Mmm. Me too. But could it be that you have
taken the title of his last album too literal?
Don't get weird on me pinefox.
@Phil: No. My English is crap and was even worse in that post above.
And you are exaggerating. Pinefox cracked a joke. I do not think that
this is enough to start a war. And I guess our ethnicity is the same
(I am Indo-European). But thanks anyway.
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
My first experience to MBV, as I've gone on about elsewhere (time and
again!) on this board, was pure shock and stunned trance at how
wonderful it was, hearing "Soon" for the very first time. That had
about as much to do with rationality as throwing myself off a cliff
because I might bounce.
I have no problem with you arguing your case and all, but junk your
attempts at artistic psychoanalysis. If you can't accept the fact I
disagree, that's your problem and not mine.
On the other hand when I read your last post I am flabbergasted by
I accept that and I do not want to go any deeper (only a little bit).
I just wanted to understand why our judgements differ. Especially as
we start from practically the same point. When I saw MBV ten years
ago they were my favourite group. Loveless was the most hypnotic
album of the 90s. A song like When you sleep is absolutely
stunning and still today. The concert left me totally cold. No
interaction between the band and the public whatsoever. Except some
stage-divers. When I went to see YLT the first time I did not expect
a lot. And Ira talked to us and reacted when people asked for songs.
And he was playing guitar like a devil (sorry another stereotype).
Totally involved into his music. He was on a trip and he took us with
him. I left the concert as a convert to YLT. When comparing those two
bands to drugs I would say MBV is about taking LSD, a lonely but very
strong experience. But YLT is about sharing a joint. It is a social
thing and it is a soft and quite feeble high which lasts.
So maybe we have different preferences concerning those substances.
For another thing, this 'really getting into it, man = emotion;
concentrating on playing = technical, unemotional' vision -- I
absolutely refuse this limiting, ridiculous stereotype. Some of the
most calculated bullshit I've ever encountered at shows has been from
the most active people on-stage, some of the freest, most evocative and
emotional playing from the most calm and controlled performers. Roy
Montgomery in particular, with two extended improvisatory pieces at
Terrastock 2, showed that much, all while sitting down, but he had that
crowd -- and a large one it was -- on as much of a trip as Ira did for
yours. *And* Mr. Montgomery was engaging in a bit of audience banter
too if that makes you happy.
I am not trying to set up an opposing set of rules to yours, Alex, but
I am trying to demonstrate that your own vision is not automatically
the mirror image of mine. Is this so hard to understand?
(But I still maintain, however, that your English is not crap. Es ist
ganz besser als mein Deutsch...)
― Phil, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
On the subject of YLT live- I remember Alec Empire interview in NME
where he talked about seeing YLT live and how they were scared to go
on because the stage was covered in water and so they might get
And alec then called them a bunch of assholes- he would love to be
there himself, he'd relish that kind of situation- and he proceeded
to tell the the kids to stop buying all of this indie garbage.
― Julio Desouza, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
'Fun' reading above.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink
I suppose I'm only really familiar with "And the nothing...", "I Can Hear the Heart...", "Summer Sun", and "Painful", since those are the only ones I own. Oh, and their first album, which I've listened to 1/2 a time.
But I only recognized about 5 of the songs they played, total. I assume the rest were covers, obscure b-sides...who knows. When things couldn't get any worse, they ended with their "Nuclear War" cover, which lasted about 15 minutes and wasn't very impressive. Then, when they finished, a fall-over-drunk woman yelled out, "HAY!!1 Play it...aGEE-YEN!"
And they did. They played another 15 minute long version of Nuclear War, which was just as disappointing as the first. Then, they were done.
Plus, it looked like Ira and Georgia were in the middle of a messy divorce the whole show.
― Zach S, Friday, 2 December 2005 02:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink
did ylt drown 'em out, though? seeing reports that they announced the Hanukkah gigs would be back this year (at the bowery ballroom).
― tylerw, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:48 (one year ago) Permalink
interesting, at least 10x the capacity
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:20 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah those shows were jam-packed at Maxwells
― Evan, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:05 (one year ago) Permalink
bowery ballroom's capacity is not 10x maxwell's
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:14 (one year ago) Permalink
575 vs 200
it does feel 10x bigger though
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:17 (one year ago) Permalink
ok, im sure you're right. damn, 200 was a lot for a rec room
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:23 (one year ago) Permalink
as was usually the case when these things were announced in years past, i'm wondering if this should be the year I fly out ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:29 (one year ago) Permalink
Free YLT show in LA on Aug 12 (I think). Burton Chase park in Marina Del Rey.
― nickn, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:11 (one year ago) Permalink
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 20:04 (one year ago) Permalink
Did you go 1st night?
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 15:05 (ten months ago) Permalink
setlist via http://www.jessejarnow.com/category/ylt / @bourgwick ... looks amazing.
Yo La Tengo at Bowery Ballroom12 December 2017*(Hanukkah, night 1)*
Todd Barry, Bob Odenkirk, and Miriam & Nobody’s Babies openedmix disc by Mike Watt
whole set with Mary Halvorson (guitar) and Zeena Parkins (harp), entering during “Before We Run” outro jam.
Back in the New York Groove (KISS) (sung “Back With the New York Jews”)Before We Run >EverydayFrom A Motel 6Walking Away From YouLast Days of DiscoSaturdayThe Kid With the Replaceable Head (Richard Hell)Moby OctopadArtificial HeartTom CourtenayI Heard You Looking
*(encore)*So Easy Baby (The Zantees) (with Miriam Linna on percussion/vocals & Bruce Bennett on guitar/vocals)Cruel To Be Kind (with Nick Lowe on guitar/vocals)Baby, It’s You (Burt Bacharach/Luther Dixon/Mack David) (with NL)Here Comes the Night (Bert Berns) (with NL)Shake That Rat (Nick Lowe) (NL on bass)(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace Love and Understanding? (Nick Lowe) (with NL)
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 15:07 (ten months ago) Permalink
Saw a pic on Instagram of Nick Lowe onstage with them
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 17:57 (ten months ago) Permalink
Apparently there was a heckler during the Todd Barry set and then a commotion in the balcony later on (where the heckler was). Anyone have any details on that? I also heard that per the band's request there will be no open/public taping and sharing of these sets, but they may circulate privately.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 19:59 (ten months ago) Permalink
seems like there's been a bit of a falling out w/ YLT and the taping community ... but yeah, these shows will probably circulate on the down low.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 20:02 (ten months ago) Permalink
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 22:33 (ten months ago) Permalink
I saw Todd Barry open for them at a Maxwell's Hanukkah show, probably 15 years ago.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 22:37 (ten months ago) Permalink
going Thursday. Haven't seen YLT proper since 2005 when I caught them on the Columbia quad. Saw Georgia and Ira play a Velvet Underground cover with Lee Ranaldo and Steve Gunn last January, and have seen James in Oneida a handful of times in the last two years.
I figured NYCtaper would have all these gigs on lock
― jrussohwell, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 23:10 (ten months ago) Permalink
opening: Los Straitjackets (saw em 4 months ago, good at showbiz)comic: Neil Hamburger (some of these were actual jokes, not as meta as i was expecting)encore guest: John Doe (still sings well)
The major diff from the Maxwells shows is there's room onstage for a guitar tech.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 06:21 (ten months ago) Permalink
Los Straitjackets ran "My Heart Will Go On" thru the surf-rock mixer
YLT had a harpist
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:42 (ten months ago) Permalink
yeah, saw that Mary Lattimore (the harpist) joined 'em last night — she's great.
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:57 (ten months ago) Permalink
i thought it was strange she stayed for the loud raveups -- tried to hear her, couldn't
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 21:01 (ten months ago) Permalink
haha, yeah i imagine it'd be tough for a harp to drown Ira out
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 December 2017 21:14 (ten months ago) Permalink
setlist from last night:
credit to Frank & Earthy: http://www.jessejarnow.com/category/ylt / @bourgwick
Yo La Tengo at Bowery Ballroom13 December 2017*(Hanukkah, night 2)*
comedian: Neil Hamburgeropening act: Los Straitjacketsmix CD: Dave the Spazz
whole set (after 1st 3 songs) with Mary Lattimore on concert harp.
The Evil That Men Do (Craig’s Version)Run, Run, Run (Velvet Underground) (surf instrumental version) (with Los Straitjackets)new song #1 (“That Guy”)Green ArrowToday Is The DayGentle Hour (Snapper)Pablo and AndreaThe Sea HorseStupid ThingsBig Day Coming (fast)We’re An American BandThe Story of Yo La Tango
*(encore)*with John Doe of X on vocals/guitar/bassThe New World (X)My Darling, Blue Skies (John Doe)Pressing On (Bob Dylan)Let’s Get Rid of New York (The Randoms)Adult Books (X)
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 14 December 2017 22:34 (ten months ago) Permalink
never heard "Let’s Get Rid of New York" before
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2017 03:39 (ten months ago) Permalink
oh man I loooove that tune, nice choice
― sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 03:41 (ten months ago) Permalink
(nothing against NY, just a great song of regional pride)
― sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 03:42 (ten months ago) Permalink
i now agree w/ the sentiment
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2017 03:44 (ten months ago) Permalink
haha, caught last night's comedians about ten years ago; once was enough
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2017 17:41 (ten months ago) Permalink
oh man, they did 'gentle hour' live? love that.
― campreverb, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:08 (ten months ago) Permalink
well that's a wrap — pretty amazing, i think the only repeat song in seven nights was "tom courtenay" (they did both the electric and acoustic versions).
― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:08 (ten months ago) Permalink
there's 8 nights :)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:34 (ten months ago) Permalink
oh lol duh
― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:36 (ten months ago) Permalink
interested to hear michael shannon's alan vega impression ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:38 (ten months ago) Permalink
there's a clip on eleanor freiedberger's instagram
― mizzell, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:41 (ten months ago) Permalink
Google is our friend, tylerw
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:53 (ten months ago) Permalink
ha, well that was fast ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:59 (ten months ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 16:03 (ten months ago) Permalink
oh man i wish i could have made it to more than one of the Maxwell shows
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:21 (ten months ago) Permalink
I miss them.
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:22 (ten months ago) Permalink
I think I was at the Shepherds Bush gig described by masonic boom at the top of this thread, and I thought they were great. But it was quite busy and maybe I was in a better spot, Shepherds Bush Empire has been very hit and miss soundwise for me. I saw JSBX there once and the sound was terrible.
Anyway I was thinking of that gig today because they covered Neutron Bomb by Art Attacks that night and today I found out the Art Attacks guitarist died last month.
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:28 (ten months ago) Permalink
they've done "Autumn Sweater" at least twice this run
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:29 (ten months ago) Permalink
Ira, Georgia and James will be back for another NYC show this summer, this time a Rocks Off Concert Cruise on June 28. The show will be aboard the The Liberty Belle which departs from Pier 36 at the Seaport. Tickets ($50) for this show will be available with no service charges at Earwax Records in Williamsburg on Friday, April 13 from 5-9 PM and are cash only. Any remaining tickets will then go on sale online on Saturday (4/14) at noon.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:47 (six months ago) Permalink
Ira is still a crazyman, georgia’s voice sounds great, and they played ‘be thankful for what u got’
― let’s get real (alomar lines), Saturday, 2 June 2018 08:08 (four months ago) Permalink
And that’s my show review. Print that shit!
― let’s get real (alomar lines), Saturday, 2 June 2018 08:09 (four months ago) Permalink
I have two tickets for this saturday in los angeles if anyone is interested? been under the weather lately.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 7 June 2018 15:22 (four months ago) Permalink
saw them here in PDX the other night. was kind of lukewarm on the setlist, but agree that Georgia sounded great.I'm not sure they have such a great job recording/mixing her vocals on these past couple of records.
― campreverb, Thursday, 7 June 2018 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink
The last show of theirs I saw was such a snooze I decided I wouldn't go too far out of my way to catch them again, but they're playing Oxford, MS, in September, so I may see them one more time.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 7 June 2018 15:53 (four months ago) Permalink
I caught the 2nd show in SF and thought they were spellbinding - especially the first, more ambient set they played. The fairly large crowd was so so so wonderfully quiet, too
― KevRus, Thursday, 7 June 2018 17:19 (four months ago) Permalink
Hanukkah shows (Dec 2-9) on sale Friday.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink