― alex in montreal, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― David Raposa, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
Sonic Youth 'at their best' - well, I've heard it said that SY were
great last year. I saw them last year and it was maybe the worst gig
I've ever seen - worse than YLT 2001. So I'm not sure that the SY
comparison does YLT favours in my eyes (though I expect it will for
― the pinefox, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Geoff, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
Last time I saw them --- on their sit-down, chill-out tour for And
Then Nothing. . . --- there was a palpable and sort of
disappointing absence of noise. Ira played one of his incredible
drunken-swerving solos for "Stockholm Syndrome," got the biggest
crowd reaction of the night, and then . . . nothing. Obviously I
don't mean to criticize, as the stated point of the tour was to
concentrate on the other side of their sound, but . . . it was just
odd to watch a guitar player deliberately holding back the abilities
that would impress listeners most obviously. I suppose that's pretty
admirable, when you think about it . . .
― Nitsuh, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
the big difference lately has been where the jams come in: the songs
used to start normally and then deconstruct into a jam; now, the jams
start as a lot of unrelated noodeling that (eventually) coheres into
a song. it can be rewarding to listen to, but takes a lot of
patience -- and they don't always pull it off.
― bucky wunderlick, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
For some reason, I always have a better time at YLT if I'm sitting
down. Having seen them in the two theatres at the Royal Festival Hall,
(one time with Sonic Boom along for the ride...) I thought they were
one of the best bands I'd ever seen in my life- adventurous, chaotic,
spontaneous, yet tightly controlled and disciplined. Amazing shows.
And then I saw then a few months ago, at an overcrowded, poorly
sounded show in Shepherds Bush, and I thought they were one of the
worst bands I'd ever seen in my life, their solos interminable and
their free jazz intolerable.
So, it really can vary, depending on both the band, and the state in
which you see them (mentally, not as in US)
Sonic Youth at ATP2000 has gone down in the dictionary as The Worst
Show Ever Performed By A Rock Band. No, really, look it up, there's a
little picture of Kim and her trumpet.
― masonic boom, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
I'm afraid I can't live with Nitsuh's ref to 'abilities'. My feeling
was, here's an average rock guitar player - come to think of it, a
BAD rock guitar player, by the standards of most professional-type
axe-workers - and he's going to prove it ad nauseam.
― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Jason, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Dave M., Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― keith, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
When I go to a concert I want more than there is on the record. I
want that the band play a set just for me, something unique, which
will never be reproduced. That is also the reason why I love
improvisations. And YLT and SY do exactly that. They make me feel
that I am part of the show. They make human music, MBV does not. And
live shows are not about perfection. Especially the imperfect bits,
the false tones, the unplanned things make the charm of a live show.
@Josh: You should go and see them. You have missed something.
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
Keithkey is spot-on. And comparing that YLT geezer to Hendrix seems
to me a serious critical misjudgement - like comparing, um, Simon
Armitage to Wyndham Lewis or something. No, worse than that.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
To the others: try for loads of Yo
La Tengo live songs. Blue Line Swinger is a classic for example. I
like the version at St. Louis which is stretched to ten minutes. The
song evolves very slowly. Almost like Low's cover of Joy Division's
Transmission (one of the few covers which can compete with the
original). I must admit I did not have the time to listen to all
these mp3's. Anyways next time they are around and they love Germany
and Germany loves them I will go to see them.
― gareth, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
Sonic Youth played the single most amazing
live show I have ever seen , at the ICA in
1983 or 1984. The three or four times I have
seen them since they have been boring: I
realise I have been buying records and
liking them purely in expectation of having
a repeat experience delivered. Nothing
suggests to me that this *cannot* occur: but
it *may* not. I have next to no opinion abt Yo
La Tengo either way.
― mark s, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
To Alex in all seriousness -- well, again, a matter of perception here.
Were you fortunate enough to attend, you might have found the YLT set
opening for MBV involved and interesting, but as mentioned for me aside
from the one song it was crudulous (I vaguely remember Ira starting on
stage flailing all around on his guitar and trying to 'rock out,' I
guess -- it looked stupid and I wasn't impressed). MBV, for my money,
had enough get-into-it live energy to easily carry the performance --
Deb Googe was always the most active of the bunch, unquestionably, but
on things like the 35-minute (yes!) version of the "You Made Me
Realize" midsong jam that I saw at the second show everybody seemed
possessed by the music and performance. To be sure, Kevin and Bilinda
were mostly concentrating on what they were playing and getting it
across -- but the music itself was so enveloping, it was insane. The
first time I saw them that year, the overcrowded, packed club audience
were constantly swaying back and forth, unsteady, a queasy slow-motion
pit while the band blasted away. Who needed acrobatics on the stage
itself at that point?
As for Sonic Youth's alleged improv skills -- hm. The one time I saw
them back in 1999, it was just after the equipment theft, so I allowed
for the fact that it was a greatest hits set of a sort and fairly
conservative all around, played on borrowed equipment and generally not
being much different from what was on record (they did at least do my
all time favorite SY song "Mote," though, so I was very pleased).
Great was my surprise when I learned from a friend who had been at both
that show and the SF show just before the instrument theft that they
had played *the same exact set*. I had been resolutely unconvinced by
them over time, and that just made it all the worse.
And don't knock the Pinefox -- like it or not, Alex, there *are* people
with different opinions from yourself who will hold to that opinion
just as strongly as you do yours. ;-)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
Wait -- so for a comeback, you're making fun of the fact that he's
from Germany? That crosses the line, IMHO, especially
inasmuch as his English is just fine; I suspect you wouldn't do
that with someone from Japan, or Ghana, or so on. Attack his
arguments, if you like, but not his ethnicity.
As for Yo La Tengo, surprisingly, I know very little of their
recorded output. However, when I saw them live in May 1998
(my band, among others, opened for them), I enjoyed it quite a
bit. Talkative college students ruined all the quiet songs (which
were very good otherwise), and the loud songs were fun -- Ira
was tossing his guitar everywhere, squalling and howling. It
was a good time.
― Phil, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
To the previous question:
I found YLT to be quite enjoyable live. A very professional, tight
band who know when to let go and when to come back in.
I missed them at the Town Hall shows here in town tho, and
have never been to a sit-down show with them. I'm sure it's on
par with Kronos or going to hear chamber music.
― JM, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
which is why the sonic youth comparisons mystify me, unless we're
only talking about the last two sy geffen albums, and even that's
doubtful. maybe i haven't heard the right ylt but what i heard just
sounded like another, albeit better-than-average, music-for-old-
people indie-mumble band. i don't see a "death valley '69" coming out
of that bunch anytime soon.
i didn't think sy were especially known for their improvisations
live. most of what's on the records sounds pretty through-composed
to me. obviously they stretch out some songs but they were never a
postpunk dead afaik. too bad to hear they were in poor form at atp
last year. i saw them last summer in montreal and they were good,
though the show was short. they even opened with a searing version
of "burning spear" and did stellar versions of "schizophrenia"
and "kool thing," closing with an extended "nyc g&f." their workout
through their whole back catalogue did make me appreciate that i like
some parts of it a lot more than others.
― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
@Pinefox: Nice reply. I could not stop laughing (I am dead serious).
But how about:
Who are you mainhattan characters? They are only, like you say and
with energy supply people. They seem, in the music bang so much,
versed to be (you know mouse also Falco Jacob, swing me, amadeus, OH -
. I would like to know well-being their world opinion in the morning.
It neckt Karikaturbonfire it I). If you go into such a way on
writing, it, type of merry, is you is, like film star of years 20.
Therefore they like, everything are good you in the love music of the
Now it makes sense. Thanks to Babelfish.
So you like Lloyd Cole? Mmm. Me too. But could it be that you have
taken the title of his last album too literal?
Don't get weird on me pinefox.
@Phil: No. My English is crap and was even worse in that post above.
And you are exaggerating. Pinefox cracked a joke. I do not think that
this is enough to start a war. And I guess our ethnicity is the same
(I am Indo-European). But thanks anyway.
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
My first experience to MBV, as I've gone on about elsewhere (time and
again!) on this board, was pure shock and stunned trance at how
wonderful it was, hearing "Soon" for the very first time. That had
about as much to do with rationality as throwing myself off a cliff
because I might bounce.
I have no problem with you arguing your case and all, but junk your
attempts at artistic psychoanalysis. If you can't accept the fact I
disagree, that's your problem and not mine.
On the other hand when I read your last post I am flabbergasted by
I accept that and I do not want to go any deeper (only a little bit).
I just wanted to understand why our judgements differ. Especially as
we start from practically the same point. When I saw MBV ten years
ago they were my favourite group. Loveless was the most hypnotic
album of the 90s. A song like When you sleep is absolutely
stunning and still today. The concert left me totally cold. No
interaction between the band and the public whatsoever. Except some
stage-divers. When I went to see YLT the first time I did not expect
a lot. And Ira talked to us and reacted when people asked for songs.
And he was playing guitar like a devil (sorry another stereotype).
Totally involved into his music. He was on a trip and he took us with
him. I left the concert as a convert to YLT. When comparing those two
bands to drugs I would say MBV is about taking LSD, a lonely but very
strong experience. But YLT is about sharing a joint. It is a social
thing and it is a soft and quite feeble high which lasts.
So maybe we have different preferences concerning those substances.
For another thing, this 'really getting into it, man = emotion;
concentrating on playing = technical, unemotional' vision -- I
absolutely refuse this limiting, ridiculous stereotype. Some of the
most calculated bullshit I've ever encountered at shows has been from
the most active people on-stage, some of the freest, most evocative and
emotional playing from the most calm and controlled performers. Roy
Montgomery in particular, with two extended improvisatory pieces at
Terrastock 2, showed that much, all while sitting down, but he had that
crowd -- and a large one it was -- on as much of a trip as Ira did for
yours. *And* Mr. Montgomery was engaging in a bit of audience banter
too if that makes you happy.
I am not trying to set up an opposing set of rules to yours, Alex, but
I am trying to demonstrate that your own vision is not automatically
the mirror image of mine. Is this so hard to understand?
(But I still maintain, however, that your English is not crap. Es ist
ganz besser als mein Deutsch...)
― Phil, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
On the subject of YLT live- I remember Alec Empire interview in NME
where he talked about seeing YLT live and how they were scared to go
on because the stage was covered in water and so they might get
And alec then called them a bunch of assholes- he would love to be
there himself, he'd relish that kind of situation- and he proceeded
to tell the the kids to stop buying all of this indie garbage.
― Julio Desouza, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink
'Fun' reading above.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink
I suppose I'm only really familiar with "And the nothing...", "I Can Hear the Heart...", "Summer Sun", and "Painful", since those are the only ones I own. Oh, and their first album, which I've listened to 1/2 a time.
But I only recognized about 5 of the songs they played, total. I assume the rest were covers, obscure b-sides...who knows. When things couldn't get any worse, they ended with their "Nuclear War" cover, which lasted about 15 minutes and wasn't very impressive. Then, when they finished, a fall-over-drunk woman yelled out, "HAY!!1 Play it...aGEE-YEN!"
And they did. They played another 15 minute long version of Nuclear War, which was just as disappointing as the first. Then, they were done.
Plus, it looked like Ira and Georgia were in the middle of a messy divorce the whole show.
― Zach S, Friday, 2 December 2005 02:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Kaplan, Ira. "Interview." Spin. Vol. 8, No. 12. March 1993.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:24 (four years ago) Permalink
Awesome, I found it in here!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:27 (four years ago) Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:31 (four years ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:48 (four years ago) Permalink
Real Estate tonight. By far my very favorite newer band. Would have liked to be there and see those guys all jam together. The lead singer told me Yo La Tengo is his biggest influence so this must be really special for them.
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 03:12 (four years ago) Permalink
sweet f'n jesus:
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:29 (four years ago) Permalink
sick! love that bill million is so ocd that even on sister ray he keeps his rhythm part totally together.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:37 (four years ago) Permalink
totally. An anchor amongst the chaos.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:43 (four years ago) Permalink
I, uh, ... that didn't seem that chaotic. I guess I'm just burned out on the band.
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:58 (four years ago) Permalink
A poor choice of wording on my part. It's more unpracticed than chaotic. But Bill is dead certain to make every change at the appropriate time while the rest do their best to just keep chugging at whatever speed they can. He keeps it from being too sloppy.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:06 (four years ago) Permalink
False Alarm (with DW & SD)
want to hear this so bad
jarnow book only recommended if not having read the only yo la tengo book out there is gonna nag at you. some annoying errors, not a lot of insight, but you definitely get a sense of context for the early years
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:13 (four years ago) Permalink
yeahhh, was hoping an nyc taper recording would be forthcoming of the feelie la tengo jamz. those dudes are slacking!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:21 (four years ago) Permalink
The book is best for examining the early NJ/NYC indie rock scene; YLT is really the frame around most of that discussion.
― Maria Tesla Pizzeria, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:27 (four years ago) Permalink
yeah i almost wish it was more of an our band could be your life book with chapters on the bongos, and the dbs and shit. ylt were such passive participants, and there was so little insight into the personalities or their music (it's referenced how little ira knew about guitar at first, but we never get a real sense of when/how became mr wall of pedals) that would have been better to just be like "and then they lived matadorly ever after"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:32 (four years ago) Permalink
contrary to earlier rumors, it was El-P and John Oliver tonight.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2012 06:58 (four years ago) Permalink
didnt recognize many of the covers (of which there weren't a lot) aside from "I Can Hear Music"
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2012 16:33 (four years ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:35 (four years ago) Permalink
last time i saw yo la tengo it was "no smoking by request of the artist," fuck them. had bought tickets in advance too.
― adam, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:53 (four years ago) Permalink
Hmmm, I used to smoke, but this bothers me not at all any more. Can't you go outside and smoke, or take a break from smoking for an hour? Not that I don't smoke, I can totally understand why non-smokers cannot stand to play in a room full of smoke. Seems more like something the venue needs to be up front about, not the musicians.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:56 (four years ago) Permalink
Uh, that was supposed to say "Now that I don't smoke"
it's been so long since i've lived in a state where you can smoke in a club.
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:04 (four years ago) Permalink
Yeah, me too. But also, at this point, if I like the musician, I am fully on board with making touring/playing shows as cool for them as possible, especially if they are not millionaires and are still out there fighting the good fight. The cards are mostly stacked against them.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:08 (four years ago) Permalink
I don't want to breathe someone's cigarette smoke and I don't want my clothes to smell of smoke either. I was so glad when my area jurisdictions banned smoking in nightclubs.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:36 (four years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I can't believe I used to smell like that all the time. And that I smoked inside, all the time (though not my own apartment/house). In restaurants, and venues, and bars. Seems really stupid in retrospect.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:39 (four years ago) Permalink
that's cool, if i cared about that kind of shit i would move somewhere like that. however the expectation here is that if one is paying out the ass to see a bunch of old dudes play sister ray for 90 minutes one gets to drink and smoke and talk to one's friends while one does it, not stand outside like an asshole.
― adam, Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:00 (four years ago) Permalink
Hah, sounds like exactly the wrong way to see Yo La Tengo do their thing to me. I mean, they play a ton of quiet songs, but more power to you. Everyone has their own idea of what makes a good show. I don't really have sympathy for the "I paid money damn it, so I get to do what the fuck I want" argument though. Again, I think your complaint is with the venue. Make them post when shows are non-smoking.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:13 (four years ago) Permalink
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:01 (four years ago) Permalink
Norman Blake tonight. Sorry speculative folks hoping for Keith Richards (not in this thread)!
― Evan, Sunday, 16 December 2012 01:16 (four years ago) Permalink
Has anyone seen the shows they're doing with Amber Tamblyn to promote her book? It's coming to town and I'm wondering if it's worth going to. (Only about 45 minutes of performance, but for $10 that may be OK)
Actress and author Amber Tamblyn and iconic alternative rock band Yo La Tengo will be presenting a very special musical and lyrical hybrid showcase for the book release party in support of Tamblyn’s third book of poetry, DARK SPARKLER, a haunting collection that explores the lives and deaths of more than 25 actresses who died tragically and before their time. The 45-minute show will be a journey intertwining verse and music to tell the emotionally charged stories of these deceased women, some of whom are buried inside The Hollywood Forever Cemetery, as well as Tamblyn’s own dark revelations in researching them over the course of six years.
― nickn, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 06:40 (two years ago) Permalink
While I liked the conversation overall, I was really, really unimpressed by the poetry she read on Marc Maron's podcast, so that part doesn't sound appealing to me at all. On the other hand, Yo La Tengo! I might go for 10 bucks.
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:08 (two years ago) Permalink
Ah well, sold out now. Maybe I'll look for it on youtube.
― nickn, Monday, 13 April 2015 06:20 (two years ago) Permalink
suggest you nab this yo la lambchop set from big ears 2016 while you can! http://sweetblahg.tumblr.com/post/142334976673/yo-la-lambchop-2016-big-ears-festival
― tylerw, Friday, 8 April 2016 19:07 (one year ago) Permalink
I thought the revive might be about their Jersey City performance this weekend, which I'll be working! I don't know what I'll be doing yet, though. My help is needed for something.
― Evan, Friday, 8 April 2016 19:18 (one year ago) Permalink
security muscle? ylt fans are known to be violent.
― tylerw, Friday, 8 April 2016 19:20 (one year ago) Permalink
I could probably take ylt fans, but I definitely am not built to take any other kind of fan.
― Evan, Friday, 8 April 2016 19:21 (one year ago) Permalink
free in Central Park on July 17
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:28 (three months ago) Permalink
^I guess I am going
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:52 (six days ago) Permalink
enjoy! my first season not working out there since 2010.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:53 (six days ago) Permalink
i like ultimate painting but imagine they'd be pretty boring live
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:01 (six days ago) Permalink
Quite a large segment of young'uns like jabbering their heads off during quiet songs at outdoor shows, don't they?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:39 (five days ago) Permalink
did ylt drown 'em out, though? seeing reports that they announced the Hanukkah gigs would be back this year (at the bowery ballroom).
― tylerw, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:48 (five days ago) Permalink
interesting, at least 10x the capacity
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:20 (five days ago) Permalink
Yeah those shows were jam-packed at Maxwells
― Evan, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:05 (five days ago) Permalink
bowery ballroom's capacity is not 10x maxwell's
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:14 (five days ago) Permalink
575 vs 200
it does feel 10x bigger though
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:17 (five days ago) Permalink
ok, im sure you're right. damn, 200 was a lot for a rec room
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:23 (five days ago) Permalink
as was usually the case when these things were announced in years past, i'm wondering if this should be the year I fly out ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:29 (five days ago) Permalink
Free YLT show in LA on Aug 12 (I think). Burton Chase park in Marina Del Rey.
― nickn, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:11 (five days ago) Permalink
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 20:04 (five days ago) Permalink