Tori Amos

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We have had Cat Powers and Fiona Apple .
I am hearing Little Earthquake and i think it is the most harrowign thing i have heard.
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anthony, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

you christian boys - so you can make me cum, doesn't make you jesus - classic! dud - boys for pele - yawnarific.

Geoff, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Under the Pink and From the Choirgirl Hotel: Semi-classic. There are some good songs (Past the Mission, Pretty Good Year, Playboy Mommy, Raspberry Swirl, Hotel) on each record, but they're crippled by some truly awful lyrics, cheesy sub-Liberace piano wankery, and the hideous monkey-like visage of Ms Amos.

Little Earthquakes: Kate Bush. Boys For Pele: just plain bad. The Venus live album or whatever: irrelevant--it made no impression on me at all.

Tori Amos live: I've seen one truly great Tori Amos show, Baltimore 98 or 99. It was a big arena show, but she really tore shit up with the full band, especially on "Past the Mission."

Tori Amos videos: run far, far away.

adam, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Search: Boys for Pele, which is on the leftfield of her work. The rest is inessential. Destroy: her flogging the fact that she's a "survivor". Also search her interviews which are as priceless as those w/ Cat Power (or Timbaland) -- playing up the spaced out persona, acting completely bizzare. On the daily show, for instance, Jon Stewart was giving her a hard time. So she took his cup of water and dumped it on his lap. Then she just sort of sat there and giggled for a few minutes. then the interview ended.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I find "Boys for Pele" to be a bit trying in its non-stop piano- ballad format, but quite like "From the Choirgirl Hotel" (it IS called that, right?) where she mixes up the arrangements a little. I must admit, tho, that when I played "Spark" for my brother, he thought it sounded like Bon Jovi...

Sean, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't be suprising. Guess early Tori used to be in the LA metal circuit. Saw some early promo pic's of her posing laciviously with a samuri sword. Guess she traded it in for a piano bench...ahemm.

Jason, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

There are actually some good songs off that "metal" record of hers. Tori Amos's stuff is really a mixed bag. There are some amazing moments but these moments too often get lost in cryptic fashion. I'd say seach her first couple of singles off Little Earthquakes. She has a wealth load of amazing b-sides which ironicly are usually better then her album tracks. I think Under The Pink is her most consistent work though.

JC, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

She has a couple of good songs, but otherwise she annoys the piss out of me. I really love quite a few off the Little Earthquakes album, and I like Caught a Lite Sneeze. Her hair is classic.

Ally, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

she has not played victim . She has worked hard at making sure other peope arent victims. Her music so is os elegant and pretty and elliptical.

anthony, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I used to be a Toriphile but now I just find it hard to care. Little Earthquakes is still quite good. Horrible production, though. Under the Pink has a few good songs. Boys for Pele is a mess. From the Choirgirl Hotel is lazy and saccharine and has horrific production. To Venus and Back was so awful that I've only listened to it once.

Melissa W, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...
New album (the beekeeper) is really dull. I thought Scarlett's Walk was probably the best album she'd ever done (I might be totally alone in this); this is really a move back to MOR territory for her, very radio friendly warm production but not very memorable. There are still parts in most of the songs I like but I'm generally surprised that she followed up such a strongly composed album with something that sounds very tossed off.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 12 February 2005 19:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

...Guess she traded it in for a piano bench...ahemm.

ahemm, not really, as her bio states:

"She began playing the piano at two-and-a-half, and was enrolled in Baltimore's Peabody Institute as a five-year-old prodigy."


vg

(1411), Sunday, 13 February 2005 02:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It is dull, isn't it? I was disappointed. I haven't taken a real strong interest since Choirgirl (a mostly terrific record! see "iieee" + "Cruel") but I expect better from her.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 13 February 2005 02:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The decline began with Venus... for me. I still like some stuff on From The Choirgirl Hotel [iieee (pure melody!), Pandora's Aquarium]... I love the sound of Boys For Pele, actually. It's her most mystical, alien record, with the harpsichord and all.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 13 February 2005 03:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Tori started the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) so she's done more that matters than 99.99% of anyone.

Her records drive me nuts but in a good way.

Her hair is trerrif, she's incredinly cute n sweet in person.

She's a no-BS eccentric in the classic mode, and I guess would get most anything posted on ILM and have something strange and funny to say.

iang, Sunday, 13 February 2005 05:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The decline began with Venus... for me.

I think Venus might actually be my favourite Tori album - I was listening to it the other day, and it's a total trip, esp "Datura" and "Glory Of The 80s" and "Riot Poof". It sounds oddly effortless and natural, as if these bizarre spacey hooks and swirling electronic arrangements just appeared fully-formed in her mind. To me, the Pele through to Venus years will always be her peak (Choirgirl, oh my god how good is that album as well?).

The Beekeeper is pretty dull, yes. Effortless in the bad way i.e. she's being lazy now - knows she has a hardcore fan base who'll buy any product with her name on it, and can't be arsed to make music relevant for anyone else in the world. It could have been a lot better if she hadn't relentlessly stuck to the tinkling piano/soporific bass/muffled drums arrangement every time - though there's probably a decent 10-track album in there with some judicious editing.

That said there are a couple of totally fantastic songs on it - "Sweet The Sting", "Hoochie Woman", "Parasol".

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 13 February 2005 10:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

can anyone send me "sweet the sting" ?

please? thank you!

reo, Sunday, 13 February 2005 23:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

do you have a gmail address reo?

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 13 February 2005 23:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

We have had Cat Powers and Fiona Apple .

We have? Didn't Tori PRE-DATE them both?

In any case, while not a huge fan (I'll stick with Kate Bush, thanks very much), she has had her moments. Search: "Cornflake Girl" and her covers of the Stranglers' "Strangle Little Girl" and Slayer's "Raining Blood" (which is actually quite strikingly lovely in its harrowing starkness...much more disturbing that the original).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 February 2005 23:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

lex, i don't have a gmail account, but my hotmail account like receiving emails from those who do..

reo, Sunday, 13 February 2005 23:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

reo - i will send you a gmail invite...

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 13 February 2005 23:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love Tori. Yup, that all I have to say.

joey deacon, Monday, 14 February 2005 00:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Anyone know what town Tori lives near in Ireland? I'm trying to type up an interview but the tape is indistinct. Phonetically sounds like "pensale." Email me at redhalcyon at yahoo.

Organized Crime (Leee), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 19:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Lex! "Liquid Diamonds" is so good. I had forgotten.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 November 2005 08:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

omg i listened to from the choirgirl hotel for the first time in about a year last night, on the late train back to london - it fit the mood perfectly - and noted just that song! MINDMELD. i remember how, when it came out, that album blew my mind sonically, especially 'liquid diamonds': it's as if someone explained to tori that genres like free jazz and trip-hop existed, but that she didn't bother to listen to them before doing her take on them.

'liquid diamonds' is very...aquatic, but also decadent. a real sea of music.

the other song which still blows my mind is 'hotel' - about six completely different styles of music in one somehow-coherent song! kate bush trapped in a computer game shoot-em-up!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 November 2005 11:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Hotel" was always usually my favourite song on that album, but I'm pretty sure I always underrated "Liquid Diamonds". I think it might be the best produced thing on there - that harsh metallic beat which runs through the whole thing but is only clear at the beginning and end, merging seamlessly with that murky live bar vibe. So long and languorous!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 November 2005 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

HAHAHA i just listened to Choirgirl for the first time in almost-a-year this past week too...and I kept playing Liquid, Hotel & Pandora!! Again, my "taste" has yet to converge from Tim-Lex's ..i'm just another part of the gay mindmeld that doesnt read or post too much anymore (school :/)

much of the record sounds "underwater." i think "playboy mommy" ruins the flow in the last 4th, though

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 10 November 2005 13:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I tend to think "Jackie's Strength" is more sore-thumb-ish than "Playboy Mommy", though I like both a lot. "I'll say it now here by your grave..."

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 November 2005 13:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The entirety of Choirgirl Hotel is absolute classic. It's one of my favorite records of all time, and I will place it in every top 10 of the 1990s I'll ever make. After that, I'm afraid, there's been a steady decline into Sarah McLachlan-land (To Venus and Back is very good but sounds like Choirgirl b-sides).

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 10 November 2005 14:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i've been relistening to choirgirl and pele tonight. shit, some of these songs were pretty far out there! people called it self-indulgence back then but it was a damn sight more experimental than most of what was on a similar level of popularity in the '90s. it's weird to think that this is the same person that made the beekeeper.

her voice, holy christ. on "hotel" especially.

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Hotel" really is quite bizarre but in the best possible way - the transitions in that song (synths to wurlitzer I think? Then to the huge piano bit, then to the slow ending) are tremendous. "Datura" from the next album goes even further in that direction but isn't as strong IMO.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"you were wild, where are you now?"

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

my favourite things about 'hotel': the cascades of piano at the end. the way there's no pause to catch breath between the second verse and second chorus like there is after the first verse, tori just launches straight into the insane shoot-em-up noises. the fucking weird jaunty wurlitzer melody right at the end. her VOICE.

'playboy mommy' is a stone-cold classic ballad, really - the "played glo-ri-a, talkin' 'bout ho-sanna" bit always gets me. and i love the way the lyrics should be an apology, but really aren't: the narrative persona there is probably one of my favourites ever.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm still recovering from hearing 'Hotel'!

The first listen was "wtf?", the second "wait, no this is actually awful", the third - pure roffle! I listened a couple more times after that, and I'm now more baffled about Tori luv than ever.

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

She makes Coco Rosie sound pretty half-assed though, I'll give her that.

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was listening to Scarlet's Walk the other day, and pondering: this album never hit me as hard as those previous, and by the time The Beekeeper came out, I just couldn't be bothered getting it on the assumption that it was more of the same only more so.

Only, every time I listen to Scarlet's Walk I get the sense that really I should love it. The lyrics are probably the best she's done on the whole... at first they seem almost too straightforward but they actually come across as much more complex and intricate on paper, lots of extended metaphors and back'n'forth conversations and lovely turns of phrase which shouldn't be able to fit into song structures but somehow do.

And, track by track, the music is actually pretty good, thoughtful arrangements, excellent multi-harmonising vocals, lovely melodies, lots of variety in Tori's phrasing.

I can even see the bits which are supposed to totally blow my away - "Gimme gimme gimmee" in "Sweet Sangria", "your invading this thing you call love" in "Taxi Ride", "you used to look my good right in the eye" in "Pancake", "through the eyes of Laura Mars" in "Gold Dust".

So why doesn't it work out that why? Why isn't this record as effective as it should be?

I'm starting to think that maybe it's just too articulate, that maybe Tori actually finally understood what song she was trying to sing too well.

On Boys for Pele (by far her most cryptic album) you get these songs with ridiculous lyrics but enormous musical and emotional power ("Father Lucifer", "Marianne") - it's like the ridiculous lyrics represent the site of a blockage, an inability on the writer's part to express herself, which the music and the vocals have to burst through - such that "Timmy and that purple monkey are all down at Bobby's house" seems impregnated with meaning and consequence in a manner you could never divine from the lyric sheet.

There are quite a few songs on Scarlet's Walk which are passionate - deeply nostalgic, angry, bitter, crestfallen etc. - but the songs always feel aware of their emotions, self-reflective and resigned in a way that can work really well for other artists (Ani DiFranco springs to mind) but seems to undercut the brute force of Tori's music somehow.

This theory is probably flawed in so far as the more likely scenario is the music came first and the lyrics are added in piecemeal, but it seems to explain why it is that there's at times almost an inverse relationship between lyrical clarity and musical effect in Tori's work.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 November 2005 03:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

isn't the whole cocorosie schtick that they sound half-assed? anyway, i can see how 'hotel' might sound a little, uh, ridiculous! it probably isn't very representative of general tori luv among most tori fans, though probably sums up why i love her.

the scarlet's walk lyrics, more than anything else about that album, turn me off: instead of genuinely impenetrable metaphor like eg that line from 'marianne' which tim quoted, and much of 'riot poof', there's heavy-handed genuine metaphor about putting snowflakes under microscopes. it's all very...conscious, in every sense of the word, and she deliberately tones down musical and lyrical excess in favour of, i guess, what she sees as the Important Theme.

'a sorta fairytale' and 'gold dust' manage to slip under this somehow.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that video for "sorta fairytale" was wacky!

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also starring adrian brody (fact: he went to my high school):

http://www.rkstar.com/video/playvid?qtfile=musicvideo/tramstft

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

isn't the whole cocorosie schtick that they sound half-assed? good point. It certainly outdoes them for uh.. experimentalism though. And, no, I didn't consider it representative ('cept the vocals) of much other Tori I've heard before!

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it always puzzled me why tori never took more of an interest in her videos: she had some pretty excellent ones, inc 'a sorta fairytale', but also some terrible ones, and never seemed bothered either way.

i'm not sure whether to recommend 'datura', 'juárez' and 'raspberry swirl' to fandango or not!

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'll always remember the "god" video with the rats.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Raspberry Swirl" I have heard! and recall liking musically, if not lyrically or for other Tori-specific reasons.

I think I'd end up listening to other songs for the roffle factor right now after that last one though :( Plus, I should probably lend an ear to the other new stuff in my never-quite-empty 'incoming' folder right now.

Politely declining more gifts of Tori, with thanks, for the moment ;)

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i wasn't offering.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 01:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I thought Lex was. Well, offering recommendations anyway.

I did say thanks for that other one before though! I didn't download just to shoot it down, honestly :(

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 01:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lex I dunno, I think the extended metaphors work really well in stuff like "Crazy" and "Your Cloud" ... but they're tracks whose lyrics I would never have appreciated without reading the booklet.

Whereas with something like "Marianne", I think there are the bits which are related to the subject matter ("And they said Marianne killed herself, and I said 'not a chance'") and there are the bits which are just free association ("tuna, rubber, a little blubber in my igloo")

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i always felt like she must have had a vision of what her music should sound like and her persona/performance too-what some edgy/angry/sensistive/sexual woman should be like etc. but it wasn't coming from within, more like something made up as 1/2 counterpart and 1/2 buying into simple-minded/sexist/one-dimensional popular notions about women's mentalities/sensibilities/sexuality/power. it just seems forced adn incomplete. also doesn't she make words up?

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 13 November 2005 04:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost kinda

i think those are the most successful songs of hers as well, the ones that are couched in elaborate and seemingly confused metaphors in which she introduces brief moments of startling lucidity (cf. "baker baker," with its extended baking metaphor that's interrupted with snippets of some larger story ("i guess you heard he's gone to LA") and really abrupt moments where she seems to let her guard down ("time, thought i'd made friends with time, thought we'd be flying...")). you sense that she's not consciously playing these components off each other for shock/absurdist value but rather that she's negotiating with herself while singing these songs, as if just playing the music is such an overwhelming, confusing experience for her that she's torn between employing either elliptical turns of phrase or full-blown confessionals. if she leaned too much in either direction i doubt i'd find her as fascinating as i do.

and under the pink in general is just really astounding, isn't it?

joseph (joseph), Sunday, 13 November 2005 04:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and i haven't really read this thread. sorry.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 13 November 2005 04:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

very often we feel the least crazy when we take the escape route into la-la land. it's when we struggle to be normal that we feel our heads exploding. i'm not sure how tori fits into this exactly but it could be that la-la land is her "safe place" and the confessional stuff is what she does because she's been told it'll fix everything.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 04:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh wow "flicker" really is excellent

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 25 November 2016 19:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

also, fav pele lyrics? right now mine is

he said 1 + 1 is 2
but Henry said that it was 3
so it was
here I am

also, of course, "got an angry snatch / girls you know what i mean"

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 25 November 2016 20:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

"I'm trying not to move
It's just you ghost
Passing through"

Pele is my favourite album by miles (FTCGH second)

Ross, Friday, 25 November 2016 20:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

*sorry should say your ghost, copied that lyric absent mindedly from a website. :-/

Ross, Friday, 25 November 2016 20:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

this is just kinda baseless speculation but it's possible the lyric "this little masochist / is lifting up her dress" had a considerable effect on my sexuality

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 25 November 2016 20:28 (nine months ago) Permalink

angry snatch for ever. Also Tori's Eagles lift on the opening couplet of that song really is very witty.

Not from Pele but I was thinking about this line from "Honey" yesterday: "And you know what you're doing / So don't even" - I can't even remember whether dropping the verb like that was common parlance back in c. 1994? It feels very much this decade.

Tim F, Friday, 25 November 2016 21:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

She's a really difficult artist to vote for in the polls too, I mean "Black Dove" and "Marianne" both got zero votes - which is insane.

Ross, Friday, 25 November 2016 22:12 (nine months ago) Permalink

"Black Dove" feels a bit forced to me, like she wanted to write something with the immensity of scale and emotional heft of "Little Earthquakes" or "Upside Down" or "Pretty Good Year", but she doesn't really have a central narrative conceit or ~state~ to work with, so she blows up and over-invests in these component parts which individually are pretty great but ultimately add up to something like a "Past The Mission Pt. 2".

"Marianne", OTOH, is impeccable, perhaps the best example of Tori using her word salad lyricism to extract more impact from the narrative rather than less.

Tim F, Friday, 25 November 2016 22:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

Wow I typed so far up my ass in this thread over the years my apologies to everyone

fgti, Friday, 25 November 2016 23:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

My favourite Pele lyric is "and last time I knew / she worked in an abbey in Iona / she said, "I / killed a man, T, I gotta stay / hidden in this abbey""

fgti, Friday, 25 November 2016 23:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

fgti! That's one of my favourite Tori lyrics :) nice one. "Twinkle" is my #1 song by her.

Ross, Friday, 25 November 2016 23:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

HI DERE

Y Kant Jamie Reid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 November 2016 03:43 (nine months ago) Permalink

Hey what does a Brad think about "Sugar" and its jack antonoff from the womb production job?

― Tim F, Friday, November 25, 2016 4:29 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm always surprised by how quiet the production of the original is, like she's singing along to a memory of a beat. The first version of "Sugar" I heard was the live solo piano version on the "Hey Jupiter" single and it surprised me that the original was so calm. (Best version is probably the full band live performance though - weirdly the Proper Rock Star vibe of that tour is such an anomaly in Tori's career but I think a lot of her songs peaked with these arrangements.)

I always forget how good "Black Dove" is because so much of its heft comes from the arrangement (esp the decision to delay the full band for half the song - and there's really no warning that it's coming, I still remember the huge surprise the first time I heard it) and also the middle eight. But I always thought of it as a sequel to "Girl" thematically.

lex pretend, Monday, 28 November 2016 10:44 (nine months ago) Permalink

I spent the last few days binging and - this will probably change again in future but - I mostly clicked hardest with anything that really spotlighted the interplay between Tori's voice and her piano playing.

I think that specific quality is one that doesn't get talked about much... Her piano playing is less remarkable considered in isolation than understood as this remarkable backdrop to her songs, the sense that these figure-eights she draws around the vocal melodies really accent the songs' emotional content, facial expressions you don't see but hear. It's really unusual for the pop song form, I think, the extent of chromatic density which is essentially there to closely complement the core melodic/narrative/thematic structure.

Take a song like "Doughnut Song": the way the piano rolls through the song like storm clouds, countervailing waves of light and darkness, the way she uses the lower register to really punctuate and emphasise the heavier moments ("and if I'm wasting all your time this time..." and then the left hand really digs in) and then the higher register to suggest wandering and tentativeness that leads off her questioning conclusions ("I guess I'm way beyond the pale....?") - this is one of several ways in which "Doughnut Song" is a sequel to "Honey", which has that same sense of storm clouds rolling in, and is similarly built around very delicate piano/guitar interplay.

Or on "Upside Down", the way the piano follows along with the middle-eight vocal ("I say 'the world is sick' / You say 'tell me what that makes us darlin'" etc.) but fills in all the bits in between the song's dialogues, like the notes are registering the impact, a bruise forming on the skin of the vocal lines.

Or on "Sister Janet", the way the central figure through the verses is played with increasing intensity, until she follows up "slipping the blade in easy" with "slipping the blade in the marmalade", and a sense of lightness suddenly enters with these higher notes, that leads directly into the chorus's reframing of the central riff as somehow optimistic and widescreen rather than claustrophobic and shadowed. And then she jumps up the register for the first half of the second verse to simultaneously suggest a ratcheting of intensity and an increased sense of vulnerability, a turning of the screw with ambiguous consequences.

And maybe the very specific thing about Boys for Pele which is so far out, and which maybe makes it her greatest album in the final analysis, is how it places this particular quality of her performances at the centre of almost every song. Whereas on From The Choirgirl Hotel, if she wants to do southern boogie skronk, she fucking gets the band in*, on "In The Springtime of his Voodoo" the centre is always always the piano (except when, bizarrely given the surrounding song, she switches over the harpsichord). The first minute and a half is in some ways one of the most astonishing things she ever did, the way she uses these exploratory, ruminative piano lines to trace out an idiom that is not even hers except by genetic extraction - and the pay-off when the crawling baseline and percussion come in is just massive.

* Not that this is a bad thing at all, and some days that aspect of FTCH (is part of what) makes it seem to me like her best album, but from a particular vantage point one could almost argue that simply blowing up your sonic palette is maybe the less radical gesture; the harder manoeuvre is to work out how to do anything with the one you've already got.

Tim F, Monday, 28 November 2016 11:56 (nine months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVOpTTV5ds

Tori Amos will always be classic to me

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Saturday, 4 March 2017 07:48 (six months ago) Permalink

wow i missed that booming tim post

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 March 2017 09:17 (six months ago) Permalink

and the pay-off when the crawling baseline and percussion come in is just massive.

you gotta owe! something sometimes!

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 March 2017 09:20 (six months ago) Permalink

Great post Tim

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Saturday, 4 March 2017 20:53 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...
two months pass...

http://pitchfork.com/news/pitchfork-announces-talk-with-tori-amos/

i would go if i was in NY :-/

Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Not bad? More excited for her shows than any new material, but this is better than expected

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 27 July 2017 15:09 (one month ago) Permalink

lmao "native invader"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 July 2017 15:18 (one month ago) Permalink

This thread makes me happy.

Tim F, Friday, 28 July 2017 14:28 (one month ago) Permalink

is she pretending to be an indian again this time? because I like scarlet's walk but kind of hate that shit

akm, Friday, 28 July 2017 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Watched a recentish performance of hers and was elated when she played "Putting The Damage On"

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 28 July 2017 18:18 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

anyone catching her on this tour? one of the best live acts in existence

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 13 August 2017 21:40 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsSBNNjhGJY

holy shit this song rules

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 25 August 2017 17:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I didn't like Cloud Riders or Up the Creek much (the first one IMO being boring and the second a cool yet not fully realised idea), but yes, Reindeer King is gorgeous. Love every second of it.

I don't know WTF is up with the iMovie lyric videos, though.

mthrn, Saturday, 26 August 2017 23:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this is so good

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 27 August 2017 05:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Good to hear her wax about Y Kant Tori Read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAenlXjCVLE

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 1 September 2017 03:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Nylon interview is also really good. Tori is such an eloquent speaker and totally genuine and empathetic. Legend

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 1 September 2017 04:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

because I do not value my time I threw a couple clicks into the buzzfeed tithe, and immediately regretted it:

http://i.imgur.com/ZjEkkVb.png

(the worst thing? this is sponsored content by Tori's own team. also, American Doll Posse was a much better "which one is you?")

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

^ I got Raspberry Swirl :-/

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 1 September 2017 17:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm sure anyone that has wanted to hear Y Kant Tori Read has heard it by now?? but I just found out it is up on Spotify in a Remastered version.

Maybe you want to listen to it?

https://open.spotify.com/album/5pnAHJIW4UWmdlFnjyN0IT

brontosaur, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 21:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Still so great.

glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

new album's out - just started listening, first track is "raindeer king" and yeah it's an instant classic

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 8 September 2017 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

second song a little middling
third track, "broken arrow," super great

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 8 September 2017 23:21 (one week ago) Permalink

oh thanks for the reminder, definitely want to hear this. not keen on her daughter's vocals tbh

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 9 September 2017 20:27 (one week ago) Permalink

in a recent interview Tori made a reference to how she wasn't acknowledged by an artist she admired for many years. Couldn't help but wonder if it was Kate Bush

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 9 September 2017 20:51 (one week ago) Permalink

I think her fans established that it was either Stevie Nicks or Joni Mitchell.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Saturday, 9 September 2017 21:03 (one week ago) Permalink

oh cool, thanks!

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 9 September 2017 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

i believe I saw Bush say something complimentary about Amos around the last time she bothered to do any kind of press at all. maybe not.

akm, Sunday, 10 September 2017 19:45 (one week ago) Permalink

i like this better than the last one, it's way too long and my attention drifts occasionally but, like, "reindeer king," "broken arrow," "cloud riders," and "up the creek" are all really wonderful songs

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 15:22 (one week ago) Permalink

oh also, "bang"! "bang" is like my favorite tori song in years

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 15:42 (one week ago) Permalink

This album is like if, after the 90s (or maybe Strange Little Girls / Scarlet's Walk) Tori had started transitioning to a "mature artist" instead of spending a decade messing with her formula.

I haven't come to grips with most of it yet but stylistically it's on point.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 September 2017 10:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Reindeer King is so lovely, absolute classic.

akm, Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:45 (one week ago) Permalink

This album is like if, after the 90s (or maybe Strange Little Girls / Scarlet's Walk)

it's def got a "long-delayed follow-up to scarlet's walk" aspect about it, though that may be me projecting bc "mary's eyes" is my fav tori closer since "gold dust"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:42 (one week ago) Permalink

feel like "reindeer king" is Tori's bid at 50 ft of snow KB

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 15 September 2017 04:54 (six days ago) Permalink


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