The Suicidal Tendencies - Cyco or Dud

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I always thought that these guys had great album titles. I wonder if they're still any good.

I want to know why Pepsi didn't ever reach an endorsement deal with them.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I k-liked them, beefy chunky grooves and all, but I liked the side-project-consisting-of-almost-all-the-members-of-Suicidal-Tendencies called Infectious Grooves much more though.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

THE LAST ONE IS THE BEST.

, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I was thinking the other day that ILM needs a ST thread. Altho I can't really give an opinion, I'm not informed enough. But in general, I'd say DOGTOWN = CLASSIC.

hstencil, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

the first LP and Join The Army are classick sk8 rock! no self-respecting skateboarder from the 80's would deny this...or would they?

ddb, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

gygax! to thread! (hi ddb!)

hstencil, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I somehow knew before I even read this thread that nickalicious would be a fan. He reminds me of the bass player in the first band I was ever in, in eighth grade.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

First album = Flawless. After that, sporadic, although "You Can't Bring Me Down" is fuckn' CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

never liked mike muir, but his brother jim on the hand... :-D

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the other hand

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

His brother's the skater, right?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

you got it toyota

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

first album was Classic!!!
afer that they were ...uninspired? lost? or sucked might be the most appropriate.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i skated in the 80s and at the time was way into ST. but it was soo the moment.

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved the first album at the time, but I think it aged like a novelty record. "Institutionalized" holds up less well on millionth listen than anything by Black Flag...

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never felt the need to check them out, but the video for "Institutionalized" is way classic.

original bgm, Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Holy shit! I was just listening to the s/t, and realized...

I Saw Yr Mommy... = Puddle of Mudd's She (F'in) Hates Me

The Fred Durst Connection gets thicker...

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Cyco.

and lol about the above post from 4 years ago, cuz I swear I said the goddamn same thing when I heard the PoM song on the radio.

But yea, Cyco, yea.

First off, the s/t is awesome, but even some of their more speed metally stuff ruled ("How Will I Laugh Tomorrow" and "Lights! Camera! Revolution!" = \m/).

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 9 December 2007 04:40 (fourteen years ago) link

'institutionalized' = big, clever, hilarious classic

i also used to like 'suicidal failure' and a few other tracks

'how will i laugh tomorrow...' was one of the first records i ever owned. i used to think i was rad for having it

Charlie Howard, Sunday, 9 December 2007 04:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that record still. "Trip At The Brain," dude!!!

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 9 December 2007 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrctcJqfpXU

maan no one jumps around in long socks and shorts like cycomyko

wilter, Friday, 27 November 2009 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

short and sweet, the first album is a classic. too bad it didn't make the 80's poll.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 27 November 2009 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

NO MERCY = FUCKING AWESOMMMM AND NEEDS TO BE RE-RE-REISSUED AGAIN

her appendix were out (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not crazy! INSTITUTION! You're the one who's crazy! INSTITUTION!

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Friday, 27 November 2009 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

Me and my friends used to rinse out that tune, often back to back with Bodycount's Street Lobotomy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5y5fhTSztY

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Friday, 27 November 2009 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

1st album's great, Institutionalized = best song ever etc, but I couldn't get into anything after that. I like my fair share of crossover hardcore but I don't like Join The Army or How Could I Smile etc much at all, I think they suffer from thin production or something, just sounds a bit weak compared to COC or DRI.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 27 November 2009 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

just remembered someone stole my infectious grooves t shirt when i was at boarding school >:o

wilter, Sunday, 29 November 2009 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

when i was at skate boarding school

fat ass idiot butt munch (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

totally fucking cyco. I don't even close to have all their albums, but the s/t is amazing, as well as "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow..." and "Lights! Camera! Revolution!". On a simple level it was always cool to know there was someone out there as fucked up and insecure as I was, that liked to sing over thrash guitar riffs.

Ballistic, Saturday, 27 February 2010 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

COZ ME, ME, I WANT MOAR

wilter, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 10:35 (twelve years ago) link

dopest album

wilter, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 10:35 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOmsGXznHU

wilter, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.covershut.com/covers/Suicidal-Tendencies---How-Will-I-Laugh-Tomorrow-When-I-Can

A+ album cover & title track <3

wilter, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:03 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

This band got me through some tough times. I love the s/t with its surf-cum-hardcore punk aggressiveness, but I am REALLY REALLY fond of the trash era, especially How Will I Laugh Tomorrow, and to a SLIGHTLY lesser degree, Lights! Camera! Revolution!

Bo Jackson Cruise Control (San Te), Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

Mike Muir is (or was at least) also real good about answering emails.

Bo Jackson Cruise Control (San Te), Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

just sounds a bit weak compared to COC or DRI.

This is laughably wrong.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 12 September 2010 14:52 (eleven years ago) link

pfft yea, I have COC's Animosity, great album but the guitars weren't meaty or anything.

turn in yer badge (San Te), Sunday, 12 September 2010 14:58 (eleven years ago) link

DRI post-Dealing With It has not aged well AT ALL. Ditto COC's entire discography. When was the last time you spun Animosity?

Suicidal, on the other hand, still sound pretty killer to my ears.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 12 September 2010 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

I'm still a big ST fan. Have everything from the debut through Lights...Camera...Revolution in my iPod right now. Saw 'em live in 1990, and they were great. Rocky George = totally underrated guitar hero.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, 12 September 2010 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't spun the CoC album in years. I have no idea where it is. Have played ST much more recently and yea they are better.

turn in yer badge (San Te), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

i like the early ST because there's a lot more intensity to it. on later records (namely the late 80s and early 90s output, as i haven't really heard beyond there) mike sounds strangely subdued, like he's barely asserting himself above the music, which is rather tepid thrash to begin with.

gotta say i like COC a fair bit more than ST overall.

charlie h, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

"Tepid thrash"?

turn in yer badge (San Te), Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

yep. thoughts?

charlie h, Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

great thread title

friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Sunday, 12 September 2010 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

When was the last time you spun Animosity?

Last week. It's a great album.

Only Suicidal I really listen to anymore is the No Mercy thing.

Metal Lifestyle, Evil, Hatred, Headbanging (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 September 2010 23:14 (eleven years ago) link

holy fuck How Will I Laugh Tmrw making my day

bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 12 September 2010 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

yep. thoughts?

― charlie h, Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

well, that I don't agree. the songwriting on How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is top notch, while instrumentally being awesome as well. Lights Camera Revolution isn't as consistent but when it's on, it's a kick to the head.

and re: Muir's voice, well, did anyone really expect him to do his hardcore yells over thrash? He was going for a more 'melodic' thing, and yea, Mike Muir's voice DOES get annoying at times because of how tinny and wimpy it sounds when he sings, but the melodies are still catchy, and he still puts oodles of passion into it. he just channels it differently.

turn in yer badge (San Te), Monday, 13 September 2010 06:20 (eleven years ago) link

i think those records are probably due for my re-evaluation. but i just think that, while catchy, the songs from that era tend to adhere to a very basic thrash model with song structures that are a little too pedestrian and guitar leads that are probably a touch too flamboyant. mike muir's voice often sounds uneasy over the workmanlike guitar and drum assault and sometimes you get the sense that he's barely hanging in there. this is hardly the case live, mind you. when i saw ST play, mike was on fire and had the crowd 100% under his spell.

listening to the title track for 'how will i laugh tomorrow'. have always been a sucker for an ominous guitar intro.

charlie h, Monday, 13 September 2010 07:26 (eleven years ago) link

perhaps i should clarify about my guitar leads comment as they're no more flamboyant in style than what you hear on say, rust in peace. but i do think they're all over the shop and not used in a disciplined, calculated way - more as an afterthought, as in "let's cover up every inch of spare space here with guitar solos!".

charlie h, Monday, 13 September 2010 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

more as an afterthought, as in "let's cover up every inch of spare space here with guitar solos!"

I don't think that's an afterthought, I think it's a deliberate strategy. After all, the guitar solo goes all the way through "Institutionalized" on the debut. I happen to love the endless guitar soloing. I also think it's really important to acknowledge Muir as a lyricist. Most hardcore, thrash and crossover bands were yelling about beer or boneheaded politics, but he was talking about emotional pain and stuff in terms that would normally have been verboten to emotionally closed-off teenage metalheads. "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow" is a really great song about depression that's almost unprecedented in metal, except for maybe "Fade To Black" by Metallica.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Monday, 13 September 2010 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

i have always liked the lyrics, yeah. i think the band identifies the issues and problems faced by its listeners, and this point of recognition along with the energy and vitality of the music can be extremely positive and uplifting.

charlie h, Monday, 13 September 2010 18:46 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

holy fuck How Will I Laugh Tmrw making my day

― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:32 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

otm digging this again after years without it. i am revisiting my music i used to have on tapes now in the digital era

it's chill when everyone gets a 'go' (jdchurchill), Thursday, 7 October 2010 12:18 (eleven years ago) link

Rocky George is a beast.

kkvgz, Thursday, 7 October 2010 12:22 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

THOSE were the good ol days.

getting good with gulags (beachville), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:34 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

thought about how will I laugh on another thread and decided to play it in the middle of the night. fucking A+ decision by me, want to listen to this all night

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 August 2012 04:49 (nine years ago) link

I approve of this sentiment.

Oblique Strategies, Thursday, 23 August 2012 05:19 (nine years ago) link

I saw your mommy and your mommy was dead!!!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 23 August 2012 06:04 (nine years ago) link

I saw them play in Montreal a couple weeks ago, for the first time after buying Join the Army 26 years ago, and I was blown away. The band was great, Mike was in terrific form, lent a really positive vibe to the fest, and they cranked out classic after classic for an hour. I had a big stupid smile on my face the whole time.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 23 August 2012 06:51 (nine years ago) link

how will I laugh on another thread

Gurdas Mane (crüt), Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:03 (nine years ago) link

The current incarnation of ST is indeed fantastic, I've seen them a couple times through the years and I'd say they've never been as good as they are now.

Siegbran, Thursday, 23 August 2012 12:19 (nine years ago) link

I bought an ST T-t-shirt because it looked cool* and I really liked Institutionalized when it was on Beavis & Butthead. Never found a record of theirs where I grew up. Have never heard another song of theirs.

*it was a skeleton skateboarding, or something. It said Venice Beach at the bottom and my gran asked if they were Italian.

useless chamber, Thursday, 23 August 2012 12:32 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

RIP Tim Rawbiz Williams
https://www.facebook.com/suicidaltendencies/posts/10152248827746345

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 07:26 (seven years ago) link

Suicidal Tendencies (1983) - Total Classic!
Join the Army (1987) - Very underrated and I find myself playing it as much as the debut.
How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today (1988) - Possibly the most underrated metal album ever.

Then there are these three:
Controlled by Hatred/Feel Like Shit...Déjà Vu (1989)
Lights...Camera...Revolution! (1990)
The Art of Rebellion (1992)

A few decent tracks, maybe I could make one really good album between them, but a lot of filler.

Never had much time for anything released more recently.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 08:32 (seven years ago) link

It's too bad that "2013" was so mediocre, because the current lineup is such an excellent live band.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:02 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

I liked 2013 but this new one seems more focused. it's not mind-blowing but the songs are catchy and rock and I can tolerate Mike's voice more now than when he was younger, as it's deeper and less whiney. plus his band is hella tight.

lord, tho, sometimes I just wanna slap him and say "dude you're 53, why are you fronting like you're still 19 and your parents don't get you, maaaaan"

Neanderthal, Friday, 30 September 2016 06:09 (five years ago) link

and skip the 7 minute (ugh) ballad

Neanderthal, Friday, 30 September 2016 06:15 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

second half of the show with the stage FULL of fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_NEzcaJ1g

StanM, Saturday, 18 June 2022 07:34 (two weeks ago) link


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