Aerosmith C/D?

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Really been listening to them a lot. I adore Tyler's willingness to scat, vocalize without words, etc. I even dug that sound he made at the end of "Don't Wanna Miss A Thing."

Rocks might be my fave album, and I keep hoping they'll make another comeback. Personal highlights include Lick And A Promise (my fave), What It Takes, Sick As A Dog, Walk This Way, Lord Of The Thighs, Love In An Elevator, No More No More, Pink (it's like red but not quite! horrible video though), Sweet Emotion, Back in the saddle.

At his best, is Steven Tyler the best singer ever? I might say so.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, the Power Hour agrees with you.

The 70s stuff, from what I know of it (Greatest Hits and Toys In the Attic + any remaining singles), is great. His voice was fantastic then. It's really tragic what happened to it. It's almost hard to believe he's the same man who sang "Dream On". The song "Toys In the Attic" is great - has this urgent but almost kind of spooky feel. "Walk This Way" actually did something new with the Stooges sound. Agree about "Back In the Saddle" too, also like "Draw the Line". I also like "Rag Doll" and if I'm in a mood to deal with it, "Angel". After that, they truly became one of the worst bands of all time. Nothing can justify "Janie's Got a Gun" or the "Crying"/"Crazy"/"Amazing" trilogy. Perhaps not entirely coincidentally, that was when I'd started listening to campus radio. At that point I think I really saw them as fundamentally evil, a symbol of corruption of the rock industry. In fact, when my friend and I started our first band and were seeking a drummer, I made sure to note that he hated Aerosmith before we met.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Janie's Got a Gun" is an okay song, but Pump is a fantastic album. And they were never any good again.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The guitar solo is kinda weak but I dig Janie. Especially the opening sounds Tyler makes. But I ALWAYS like Tyler gibberish.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

His face and voice are the scariest anti-drug commercial ever.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I feel bad now - that must be one of the meanest things I've ever posted.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

come on, his voice rocks! It's sounded that way since Rocks, at least.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Really? It sounds a lot better (stronger?) to me on "Back In the Saddle" than on "Crying" or "Jaded". But maybe I'm just being thrown off by the songs or the music. I do think there's a difference. I don't have any around at the moment to really listen to and explain in detail. He was also a witty lyricist in the 70s.

Heh, Permanent Vacation was one of the first albums I ever 'got' (taped off my friend).

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 01:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Dream On" definitely shows a different voice on Tyler but I think the change was much earlier than Pump or whatever.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 01:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I know that there's a change from "Dream On" to "Back In the Saddle" but I think that he did it better then than he did in the 80s and 90s.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 01:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Aerosmith in Sgt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band: Classic or Dud?

jm (jtm), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 01:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

classic. in that featuring them as "the evil band" reaffirms how out of touch the makers were. The best scene is when Barry Gibb sings "A Day In The Life" while Peter Frampton kills himself. Then Billy Preston in a marching bad uniform zaps Frampton back to life while singing "Get Back." People should just fastforward to this sequence.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 01:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Gods who stumbled. And now they crawl.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'll admit they've been pretty embarassing since they resigned with Columbia.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

but Steven Tyler still says cool stuff interviews. "Now I've been to Maine, Spain and Spokane...but my daughter didn't think I was cool cuz I didn't know Lizzy McGuire."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

was that meant to be funny or sad¿

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They were great on the first five albums, all pretty essential. Actually I think Get Your Wings is the weakest of the lot. I always thought it just kind of slogged through some of those attempts to be "epic" or whatever ("Woman of the World", "Seasons of Whither"). I mean, I'm sorry, that's not them. Plus I always disliked that version of "Train Kept A-Rollin'". It was like they worked out two different arrangements, couldn't decide which was better, so they played 'em both. So yeah, a slight misstep after the very tight debut album, probably due to Jack Douglas coming on board to produce as much as anything else. "Lord of the Thighs" remains one of my favorites though ("Walk This Way" w/ a extra bass hit!)

But the next two? Woah! One of the best one-two punches in rock. I mean, on Rocks all they tried to do was rewrite Toys in the Attic, but it worked wonderfully and probably even produced a superior album (not marred by one-and-done like "Big Ten Inch Record"). Toys does get major points for "Walk This Way", hard as it is to hear that song with anything approaching fresh ears (and I don't know what the heck Sundar is talking about w/r/t The Stooges?! I couldn't think of a more inapt comparison). The "Uncle Salty" - "Adam's Apple" sequence is one of my favorite rock moments.

But Rocks? Well what can you say, one of the best heavy metal records ever. It was like they were teetering on the verge of this interesting American reformulation of metal, and the record where they had really expanded their ideas and dropped a few more overt references. The differences in just riffage and layering and production in Perry's work on this record vis-a-vis the first two is impressive. "Sick As a Dog" is my favorite Aerosmith tune. Anyway, this record pretty much set the template for Guns n' Roses.

Then they threw it all away for Draw the Line. I think it's a wonderful record, but somewhat poignant after the assiduousness of the last two. They were kind of back to the Stones again. Too much booze and drugs. But for all that I think it is their most underrated album, no question. "Critical Mass" really captures that kind of vaguely psychedelic feel they could capture. The Perry-sung "Bright Light Fright" totally punk rock. "I can't find my shoes / the only thing on TV is the good morning news". "Sight For Sore Eyes" another of their great funk hybrids (actually more proto-disco given Kramer's hi-hat pattern). Destroy that "Milk Cow Blues" cover though (but search "Walking the Dog" from the first one! And the Necros totally stole their arrangement of it too).

I really couldn't give a shit about anything after that. Done With Mirrors had some cool stuff.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 06:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Also, the way Tyler screeches that last verse on "Draw the Line" = insane.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 07:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i loved that song "pink". what was the name of the song with liv tyler in the video? Where her and her friend go on a car journey? it was a rock ballad-y number. that was cool. i don't have any albums, and i don't think i'd bother, but i like it when i hear them on mtv or whatever.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 07:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh also I forgot I was going to relate the anecdote about how back in the day I got excited reading in some metal mag that Testament were going to cover "Nobody's Fault", but it turned out to be shit. Also, I just went back and listened to the original, and strangely for the first time noted the fact that the drums are double-tracked.

And of course, wouldn't you know, dave q gets at why this record is so great better than I ever could.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 07:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mr. Diamond is OTM.

kephm, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 20:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mr. Diamond has Aerosmith called right. I used to have Rocks and Draw the Line on 8 track that I used to play all the time on my parents old 70s stereo.

"Combination" off of Rocks has one of my favorite guitar riffs ever. Along with "Nobody's Fault" they are definitely songs that should be better known.

There is just something completely wrong with someone who wrote "Lord of the Thighs" calling up Diane Warren and the people behind Bryan Adams up for songs. They have made tons of cash from their comeback, but outside the song "Hangman Jury", I just think it is overcooked crud.

Along with ZZTop and Lynyrd Skynyrd, they were probably the better American rock and roll bands of the 70s, before punk rock happened.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 April 2003 00:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"sleepin late and smokin'tea..." 1st album is soooo classic! but i wish they had broken up after that and formed new bands

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Thursday, 17 April 2003 00:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I couldn't think of a more inapt comparison

Even if I'd said "They actually did something new with Lawrence Welk's sound"?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 17 April 2003 00:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I dunno, it just seems to me to have a quality of a hard rock band moving as a sort of funky rhythm unit in a way that's not totally Stones or Zeppelin. Obv it was pulled into a mainstream 70s hard rock context. BTW Stooges = Fun House for me. And you're right about the last verse of "Draw the Line".)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 17 April 2003 00:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha no! Sorry didn't mean to come off like I'm dissing you. I actually tried to get my ahead around that idea, because it seemed intriguing, but I just can't see it. Tyler is singing about going to high school dances and banging cheerleaders and
See-saw swingin' with the boys in the school
And your feet flyin' up in the air
Singin' hey diddle-diddle with the kitty in the middle
You be swingin' like you just didn't care

Iggy sang about boredom and never getting laid, he probably just stood in the corner if he in fact went to dances. I can't imagine him uttering "hey diddle-diddle" under any circumstances. The I'm-a-badass of Raw Power is all about compensating for never being invited to the party. Tyler's already there, getting his big ten-inch sucked.

Plus musically I can't think of a Stooges song that is built upon a single string riff (yeah "Dirt" but that's a different kettle of fish); they're all about slashing chords. The Stooges are rhthymically great - both bands rock - but I can't imagine them leaning on a breakbeat the way "Walk This Way" does. I love drawing neat parallels between all sorts of disparate stuff, but this is one case where I just don't hear it.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 01:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

a quality of a hard rock band moving as a sort of funky rhythm unit in a way that's not totally Stones or Zeppelin

See I think they were taking from Zep a bit on this track. Specifically in that centrality of the heavy drumbeat overlaid with the "killer riff". The greatest riffs, the ones that play around with rhythm, are wonderful things; but in another sense they don't leave much to negotiate - you get on that train and ride. The Stooges seem more open-ended to me, always with this sense that the whole thing could derail at any time, even if it never does. Actually what happens is that Steve McKay comes along and goes EEEEEAIAIEEEGHRRRYYYYYAA

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 01:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, I definitely wasn't making a comparison lyrically. Even musically, it wasn't something I'd put tons of thought into or anything. I can see what you're saying about the breakbeat and Zeppelin-ish riffing.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 17 April 2003 02:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I can forgive them anything, just for Tyler's dirty laugh at the start of Love in An Elevator. "Oh, good morning Mr Tyler… Going… down?" Cue Tyler: "mwayukyukhahaha." Absolutely hilarious stroke deeply disturbing. And also because I once saw a picture of Tyler decked in T-shirt emblazoned with the slogan; "Who the fuck is Joe Perry?" They are clearly geniuses.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 17 April 2003 08:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I hear a little bit of Zeppelin in "Walk This Way" but the feel of the thing--the dexterity of the guitar riff and the way it dances over the beat--is much lighter and looser than Zeppelin's similar forays into funk territory, and less epic. I hear more "Superstition" in there than anything (I like to think they were trying to write their own simplistic version of that; no idea, of course, if this is true).

Put me on the hating side of post-70s Aerosmith (and banish Steven Tyler from all future awards shows while you're at it).

s woods, Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
It might be because I was high but I heard "Crying" I think it was last week and I actually didn't mind it. And his voice really wasn't so bad, especially compared to a lot of other rock singers. In retrospect I think I just hated them at the time because I was starting to really expand my tastes at the time and they just seemed so safe and conservative and mainstream. The pervy dirty-old-man dimension of the videos might not have helped either.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
New stuff vs. old stuff? Has any band ever changed their image so much over the course of their career? From Zep/Stones dark rock mystics to Diane Warren vehicle. Strange band.

Richardstone, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 20:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
is Diane Warren writing songs for Aerosmith? That is a shock to the system.

mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I hate to say it but Aerosmith was an important gateway drug for me into any sort of rock.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i agree. they were my fave band when i was 13 and didn't know shit about anything.

kingfish completely hatstand (Kingfish), Monday, 15 August 2005 02:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joe Perry can play in my band anyday.

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 15 August 2005 03:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

AEROSMITH: For When You Don't Know Shit About Anything.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 August 2005 03:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

i bought 'rocks' about a year ago, and like it, but still haven't given it enough spins. to be amended today perhaps

i've owned pump for about 17 years. still holds up as a pretty tight and interesting rock record with plenty of sleazy hook. have always liked 'janie's got a gun' too. guess i've never got over the soft spot i had for it when i was about 8.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 13 March 2008 03:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

Rocks kicks all sorts of ass. I can't believe the same band that did "Combination" did the crap they did after their "comeback".

Bill Magill, Thursday, 13 March 2008 14:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ultimately, there are really two Aerosmiths -- the hirsute, drug-gobbling cut-throats of the 70s and the yawnsomely clean n' sober hitmakers and sports bar jukebox fodder of the late 80's through today. Obviously, the former takes a giant, runny, narcotic-laced shit all over the latter.

Best song they ever did: "Back in The Saddle."

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 13 March 2008 15:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

hahah 'drug-gobbling cut-throats'

im gonna steal that one.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 13 March 2008 15:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I'm saying a prayer for the desperate hearts tonight. How high can you fly with broken wings?

admrl, Thursday, 8 May 2008 11:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

The first three are super classic, the rest up through Done with Mirrors are classic and everything after kind of a dud.

steampig67, Thursday, 8 May 2008 13:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

you people need to refine your purism, I've heard that Done With Mirrors is OK but everybody knows Night in the Ruts is garbage. First album through Draw the Line all various degrees of great including some of my favorite rock moments ever (that last verse of "Draw the Line," the entirety of "Sick as a Dog," loads more). Out to pasture therafter with the possible exception of Done With Mirrors from which I've never heard a note.

J0hn D., Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

to me the biggest tragedy of Aerosmith is that Tyler was once a pretty good/maybe great lyricist - on Rocks and all throughout that early stuff there are really smart turns of phrase, a real ear for how to deliver a line for maximum impact, and what always sounded to me like a genuine love of words & their sounds, of phrases and how they ring. Later, you get fuckin' "livin' it up while I'm goin' down." Ugh.

J0hn D., Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha 'living it up while i'm goin down' was surely yet another triumphant winner in the tyler canon of punning genius!

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

everybody knows Night in the Ruts is garbage

I don't.

Post-Done With Mirrors, well, I think "Jaded" is kind of lovely, sort of. Beyond that, yeah, lyrics and vocals both down the tube, obviously.

xhuxk, Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

lyrics and vocals both down the tube

(Not to mention rhythm section.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

you people need to refine your purism, I've heard that Done With Mirrors is OK but everybody knows Night in the Ruts is garbage.

Man, I love Night in the Ruts. It's just so wasted an desperate sounding. As for some critical consensus, I know a lot folks who dig NitR.

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Aerosmith and it's members have made some questionable career moves in the past decade, but this freaking moustache on Joe Perry has to be the nadir of their whole career. He's look better with a Hitler stache.

earlnash, Saturday, 2 February 2013 16:19 (six years ago) Permalink

Underrated Aerosmith photos I cringed at looking at.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:27 (six years ago) Permalink

Joe Perry is trolling the world so hard in that pic

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 2 February 2013 18:55 (six years ago) Permalink

got an email yesterday:

tylerw, Sunday, 3 February 2013 03:13 (six years ago) Permalink

He's look better with a Hitler stache.

It's kind of an implied Hitler 'stache, really.

Uncle Sam is... ...No Daddy! (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 3 February 2013 07:02 (six years ago) Permalink

It's a reverse Hitler stash, like a photo negative, because he wants to make a statement that he is anti-Hitler.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 February 2013 13:37 (six years ago) Permalink

STEVEN TYLER has gone from breaking the law, to making the law with his new proposed Senate bill.

Hawaii Senate Bill 465, also known as the Steven Tyler Act, would create a civil cause of action for “constructive invasion of privacy” in the state of Hawaii. Tyler initiated--and is a proponent and vocal supporter of--the bill and will appear with fellow Hawaii resident Mick Fleetwood on Friday, February 8 as the bill is presented in a Senate hearing at the State Capitol in Honolulu, Hawaii. At this writing, the bill is being endorsed by 2/3 of the Senate.

The proposed bill (SB465) was modeled after the California Civil Code Section 1708.8, which was adopted by the California state legislature in 1998. SB465 would add a cause of action for constructive invasion of privacy in addition to the current cause of action for physical invasion of privacy in Hawaii. In the simplest terms, the proposed bill would provide a legal remedy for celebrities photographed while they are engaged in “personal or familial activity” and have a reasonable expectation of privacy. This new law would go beyond the more traditional invasion of privacy, which generally requires a physical trespass, by imposing liability on people who use zoom telephonic lenses or other high tech audio devices to capture images or audio of public figures as they are in their homes, or other private places, and then turn around and sell those images or audio files.

The ideals of the proposed bill, SB465, are already enshrined in the constitution of the State of Hawaii. Article 1, Section 6 grants the people the right of privacy, not to be infringed without a “compelling state interest.” Article 1, Section 7 goes further stating the “right of the people to be secure in their persons…against invasions of privacy shall not be violated.”

“The paradise of Hawaii is a magnet for celebrities who just want a peaceful vacation,” TYLER says. “As a person in the public eye, I know the paparazzi are there and we have to accept that. But when they intrude into our private space, disregard our safety and the safety of others, that crosses a serious line that shouldn't be ignored.”

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:37 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I met a cheerleader, was a real young bleeder

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:46 (five years ago) Permalink

This is one of those threads I open expecting either the band to have broken up or someone to have died.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 02:00 (five years ago) Permalink

man horrible news about Steven Tyler being eaten by a lion

Neanderthal, Thursday, 20 June 2013 02:08 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Uncle Salty not paying the bills anymore...old Joey reduced to hawking coffee at costco

calstars, Saturday, 12 July 2014 19:06 (four years ago) Permalink

"A Rockin' Bag of Beans from Joey Kramer" truly the most underrated bootleg

some dude, Saturday, 12 July 2014 20:34 (four years ago) Permalink


calstars, Sunday, 13 July 2014 00:26 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...


calstars, Friday, 21 November 2014 02:00 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

how's life, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 (two years ago) Permalink

xp: and This Love by Pantera sounds a lot more like the Seasons of Wither intro than Say Hello 2 Heaven does.

how's life, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:55 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

For some reason I spent a whole workday listening to all the post-1980 Aerosmith albums and came up with this playlist:

Old & Horny: Post-1980 Aerosmith Deep Cuts

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 August 2016 16:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Thanks for your sacrifice. That couldn't have been easy

calstars, Thursday, 11 August 2016 17:35 (two years ago) Permalink was rough sledding at times

man "Get a Grip" really blows

also now that Tyler's gone country you can really see that telegraphed in the later albums

also man tyler kicks out some o_O couplets:

livin', lovin', gettin' loose
masturbatin' with a noose
now someone's kickin' out the chair

The buzz that you be gettin' from the crack don't last
I'd rather be' on the crack of her ass

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 August 2016 19:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Get a Grip is so devoid of tunes outside of the singles (which are mostly garbage other than "Living on the Edge" and "Eat the Rich"). "Flesh" is like the ugliest song ever recorded, "Fever" got covered by fuckin' Garth Brooks (minus the hilariously grotesque lyrics), the title track features the lyric "Once upon a time I thought I was cool but I don't want to brag", "Gotta Love It" is a nothing tune....

yet weirdly I remember every tune on that album if that's a testament to how often 13 year old me played it

Neanderthal, Friday, 12 August 2016 00:17 (two years ago) Permalink

how is "Honkin on Bobo"

that is still hilarious to type

Neanderthal, Friday, 12 August 2016 00:19 (two years ago) Permalink

In 2010, guitarist Joe Perry revealed his distaste for the album, stating that:[3]

“ I don't think we've made a decent album in years. Just Push Play is my least favorite. When we recorded it there was never a point where all five members were in the room at the same time and Aerosmith's major strength is playing together. It was a learning experience for me: it showed me how not to make an Aerosmith record.

Neanderthal, Friday, 12 August 2016 00:19 (two years ago) Permalink

Just Push Perry

Kenneth Without Anger (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 August 2016 00:21 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Vaccinate your ass with a phonograph needle

calstars, Saturday, 27 August 2016 03:05 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Can anyone transcript the jive on "No Surprize?"

calstars, Saturday, 17 September 2016 01:33 (two years ago) Permalink

No surprize is their pinnacle. Thank you

calstars, Saturday, 24 September 2016 01:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh shit, same time on those posts!!!!

calstars, Saturday, 24 September 2016 01:34 (two years ago) Permalink

"situation feeble"

calstars, Saturday, 24 September 2016 20:21 (two years ago) Permalink

The back stage is rocking and we're coppin' from the local police

Aw, the justice of peace

calstars, Saturday, 24 September 2016 20:25 (two years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Today my brother told me that session guitar maestro Dick Wagner played the rave-up/solo on Aerosmith's cover of Train Kept a Rollin'. Is this common knowledge that I somehow missed? Anyone else heard this rumour?

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 02:20 (one year ago) Permalink

Feel like there was some discussion of that recently but its not on this thread, apparently?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 02:23 (one year ago) Permalink

A guy passed me on the street the other day who liked an alternate-universe Steven Tyler, in which he never made it in music and instead went to business school and became a tubby middle manager who was late for his 10 a.m. meeting.

dinnerboat, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I could've sworn there was a thread recently where someone (Neanderthal?) was slagging off Aerosmith for not even playing on their earlier records and the Train Kept a Rollin thing was mentioned along with session work by the Alice Cooper band guys via Bob Ezrin...? this doesn't ring a bell with anybody?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 18:58 (one year ago) Permalink

ah here it is: Aerosmith's Greatest Hits (1980)

Wimmels was the one who brought up Wagner

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 19:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Aerosmith's Greatest Hits (1980)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 19:00 (one year ago) Permalink

somewhat surprised AlS doesn't much go for the band's 90s ballads… them's the best of the power variety that ever was… or "Don't Wanna miss a Thing" is the ne plus ultra of Diane Warren…

veronica moser, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 20:37 (one year ago) Permalink

I like "Thing" more than I did in 1998, but it still sounds like Tyler's passing a hernia.

A friend at the time said she hoped to date a guy who said the things Tyler does to her.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 20:38 (one year ago) Permalink


Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 20:49 (one year ago) Permalink

But few people know that they had a little help along the way when, during the recording, Record Producer Jack Douglas saw the now legendary session man Steve Hunter sitting outside the studio taking a cigarette break from a different session and he asked Steve to play a solo over the first half of the track.

It was very quick Steve recalls, he got his own guitar which he thinks would have been a 1959 Les Paul TV Special. They took some time to get a sound, then, ran through the track. But, as he did not have the vocal in his headphones they ran through it again this time with the vocal in, and Steve nailed it.

He got paid about $750 for doing it, then, as it turns out, 'Train' had a huge impact on the career of the young, inexperienced Aerosmith. They went on to bigger and better things, becoming one of the highest paid, most domineering bands in Rock Music.

Unbeknownst to Steve, Douglas also enlisted his session companion Dick Wagner to play the solo over the second half simulated live ‘Yardbirds’ section.

Neither Hunter or Wagner got a credit on the album, as ‘ghosting’ as it’s sometimes called was fairly common practice at that time.

Hunter has no idea why he was asked to record the solo; as he says, it was none of his business. The rest of the band we’re all there, they were very nice to him and he was never asked to teach anybody what he played.

In 2013 Joe Perry played a solo on Steve's solo album 'The Manhattan Blues Project' (The Brooklyn Shuffle) alongside his buddy Johnny Depp, so clearly there are no hard feelings and why should there be.

Statement from Steve Hunter

"Aerosmith was in Studio C of The Record Plant and I was doing work with Bob Ezrin in Studio A. I had a long wait between dubs and was waiting in the lobby. Jack Douglas popped his head out of Studio C and asked "Hey, do you feel like playing? I said sure, so I grabbed my guitar and went in" "I had two run thru’s, then Jack said "great' that's it! That turned out to be the opening solos on 'Train Kept A Rollin’ " steve hunter 2/1/2015

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 20:52 (one year ago) Permalink

This also came up recently during a discussion of Lou Reed's Rock n Roll Animal.

Trelayne Staley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 May 2017 03:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks. I must now, with hanging head, after telling him he's wrong, tell my brother he was right. D'oh!

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 11 May 2017 06:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Alfred's list is fine. I really just can't get with most reformed Aerosmith, but one track out there that I think fits with the old druggy 70s music is "Hangman Jury" off of Permanent Vacation.

When I was a kid, I got a three of Aerosmith's LPs as 8-tracks and that was the format I really heard them first in. I can't remember what track it was but one on 'Draw the Line' clicked to a new track in the middle of a song nearly in time that was pretty hilarious.

earlnash, Friday, 12 May 2017 05:55 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I love how "no surpiZe" is a latter day origin story for the band..."and old Clive Davis said he surely gonna make us a star" and Tyler's raspy "smoking up the axle grease" and how the track descends into Draw the Line coked up mania by the end with a greedy rant of "ascap, bmi , if Japanese can make tea then where the fuck my royalties?"

calstars, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 03:07 (one year ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Just noticed today that the version of “same old song and dance” on Wings is different - a little more loose - than the one on Greatest Hits

calstars, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 01:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

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