Jesus Jones C/D?

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What was that all about anyway? Best new artist Grammy? Video of him w/a guitar watching TV? Can someone pull their bio from "Where Are They Now" file?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh. horrible. dudder than almost anything ever.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, to me _Doubt_ still sounds great, and Edwards' textural approach to samples still sounds distinctive twelve years later. I didn't think _Perverse_ held up the songwriting end, but both _Already_ and _London_ were terrific song records in my book. No follow-up chart success, but who gives a shit about that?

Oh, and EMF's Doubt-contemporaneous _Schubert Dip_, which earned abundant ire thanks to "Unbelievable" getting overplayed for years, is fabulous too. Ned's Atomic Dustbin, sadly, hasn't aged as well...

ara, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

looking back, I'm baffled by the American mainstream music industry trumpeting them - were they the "safe" "Manchester" band (ie, dance beats + guitars?) that everyone wanted to flock to as the "wave of the future", after all, they used *gasp* SAMPLERS! It's just totally head-scratching. The only song I can remember - "Right Here" - was gawdawful, tinny production, bad singing, heavy-handed but noncommital lyrics...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, that's not enough really, is it? the singer was always all over the musick press, on about how indie was rubbish, apart from jesus jones, naturally, because they were into dance msuic technology yadda yadda always in the most patronising holier than thou fukcing manner. then you'd hear thee rekkids, and god it weas so bloody pedestrian, boring guitar sludge w/o a trace or groove or rockingness, with some bit plucked from whatever was making it in the clubs smeared over the top, desperately smeared over in this artless playing catch-up manner. it was lame, and for a while people actually took his schtick at face value, which made it all the more irritating. Probably a precursor to the recent efforts of prmL scrm, now that i think about it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

(i still like emf a bit, fwiw)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I so want to say classic, but dud. Just because I remember seeing them win some MTV video award in 91 maybe and the lead singer was wearing the exact same shirt he wore in the "Real" video. And for my mind at the time this was SHOCKING!

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

the Jesus Jones/PRML SCRM comparison is cruelly unfair - for one thing, no one in America even knows who Primal Scream is, and their records actually sound pretty interesting and are fairly unpredictable. At the very least they reflect a more interesting relationship with music history.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

For a while there I was obsessed. And I still think they put on a brilliant live show at UCLA in 1991.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

ha, sorry shakey! (i do find them predictable, i must admit)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think it's an unfair comparison at all, Shakey. After all, U2 ripped 'em both off to bring that "beats + guitars" formula to the mainstream American audience in the form of Achtung Baby.

hstencil, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh...that does remind me that when "The Fly" came out I remember a hell of a lot of people asking "Why are they trying to rip off Jesus Jones anyway?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't read the British music press, so I don't care what Mike Edwards said there. For me "Right Here, Right Now" is a magnificent pop encapsulation of what I felt like living through the early 90s.

But why am I bothering writing anything in a C/D thread? Why does anybody bother?

ara, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

h - Pashmina's referring to their *recent* records (ie, XTRMNTR and Evil Heat), not Screamadelica.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Ooops. Well anyway, I do think that U2 took a lot from their early sound.

hstencil, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't read the British music press, so I don't care what Mike Edwards said there.

well, fair enough, yes, but if you did read the music press, and you didn't like the band, is sort of added insult to injury a bit. (whispers - just like prml scrm)

But why am I bothering writing anything in a C/D thread? Why does anybody bother?

it sure beats the hell out of an "only pick ten" thread.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"right here, right now" is on a new nova scotia tourism spot that was unveiled yesterday to neighbouring maritime provinces. you know, something fresh and hip to attract a younger generation!

i think the rest of the country gets the same old bagpipe and fiddle routine.

brian badword (badwords), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. Some truly great pop songs. They proved that combining classic, Beatlesque songwriting and dance grooves in a great way is completely possible. One of the most undeservedly underrated acts of the baggy genre.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

the singer was always all over the musick press, on about how indie was rubbish, apart from jesus jones

Which is different from most other young and coming UK indie acts throughout history in which way? :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

After all, U2 ripped 'em both off to bring that "beats + guitars" formula to the mainstream American audience in the form of Achtung Baby.

But Jesus Jones wrote better, more melodic, songs than U2.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Doesn't one of the members now work in one of the Record and Tape Exchanges in London?

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Right here Right now theres no song I would rather not hear

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

"Right Here Right Now" is one of the best songs of the early 90s. A pop masterpiece, nonetheless!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

too rhythmic!

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

No such thing as "too rhythmic" as long as the melodies are in forefront. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i wore out my tape copy of liquidizer, thought doubt was a major letdown. saw them live, realized it was all taped and wondered why they were pretending to play their instruments, should have all just bez'd it up.

keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the worst bands ever. The singing in "Right Here.." makes me want to go on a killing spree. Ripped off a ton of good bands and made a smug feel good anthem to sell. They're no Soup Dragons and even EMF are better.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

even EMF are better

Fighting words.

(As it stands, PWEI remain far better than both.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

totally DUD.

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

"Info Freako" was a fantastic single but might as well have been by Pop Will Eat Itself (who were a far better band)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Somehow, I knew Geir would chime in with classic.

hstencil, Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I remember back when I thought Doubt was a killer album. (Of course, that was back when I really really liked the Candyskins, too.) I haven't heard it in ages, but I remember my 15-year-old brain thinking it was the Future Of Musi; no other band melded guitars, samples, dance beats, and pop songwriting as effectively. (Yes, that includes EMF and PWEI.) But I also remember buying Perverse, listening to it once, and never ever thinking about Jesus Jones ever again, until now. If that's not the definition of a Dud, I don't know what is.

Nick Mirov (nick), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I admit i was obsessed at one time, too. And they were grossly forgotten as a possible catalyst that may have given Nirvana their break (for better or worse). Several folks feel that, because of the success of Jesus Jones in the U.S., that "college rock" had potential. Then one day, stations bit the Nirvana bait, and then...

That said, up until and including "Doubt", I lurved them. Some of them B-sides are still groovy. A lot of it has dated unfortunately, but I still dig the early more PWEI-sounding stuff like "Info Freako" and "Never Enough". And they are still influencing lots of 'cross-over' 'electronic' 'rock' bands today (Prodigy anyone?), though no one will admit the nod, since the name 'Jesus Jones' has become so incredibly taboo.

Won't defend Mike Edwards, the person, however.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus Jones were nothing more than an uglier bargain-basement EMF.
The shame with EMF is that most Joe Publics (like some of the peeps above) have only ever heard Unbelievable, so they can't really give a solid decent opinion on the band. They probably watched too much MTV or soccer in the mid to late 90s........
EMF are brilliant, and a superb live experience, too - watch out for the new stuff due the end of the year..... you'll be pleasantly surprised. Despite the death of Zac, they've decided to carry on - and power to them.

russ t, Friday, 11 April 2003 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad lots of people have weighed in with praise for "Right Here, Right Now" cos that was always always my favourite JJ song. When all my mates were all about "Real Real Real", there I was, fighting my little corner with a battered shiny silvery-sleeved copy of the former in my sweaty palm, shouting "No! Fie on your big obvious pop single! This one's a sleeeeper." Loved it.

But Ride's "Today Forever" EP pissed on it (and, let's face it, on most recorded music since then) from *such* a great height that I'd happily die never hearing JJ again.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"Right Here Right Now" and "International Bright Young Thing" are, as songs (i.e. stripped off the arrangements) so much better than "Unbelievable" or "I Believe" ever were.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

but 'Right Here Right Now' and 'IBYT' sounded unbelievably trite even back then...mind you so did those two EMF singles but i liked 'Unbelievable' - i think my fave EMF single is 'Lies'

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 April 2003 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir,
if you truly believe that, then I think there must be two bands called Jesus Jones out there........

russ t, Friday, 11 April 2003 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Russ, calling Jesus Jones bargain-bin EMF is like calling the Smiths bargain-bin Gene.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 11 April 2003 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh heh heh. The knives come out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 April 2003 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The later EMF stuff's much better - Cha Cha Cha is a great album, Stigma, too.
nah.... EMF were much better than JJ.
Cuter, too.

russ t, Friday, 11 April 2003 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

JJ were the worst fucking band in the history of music. They should die horribly then be dug up and killed again.

dave q, Friday, 11 April 2003 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus Jones is the only "dance" act that has ever sounded like The Beatles, which makes them greater than the others within that genre.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually have Cha Cha Cha, Russ...and Jesus Jones is still better. ;-) Though I think Dave Q wins overbody in terms of lovely and wonderful bile.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't heard any of these bands in so long that I'm frightened to make any sort of value judgement about them - INXS I can stand up for, because I just bought a whole bunch of reissues by them - But EMF? PWEI? JJ? I only remember about one song from each and they're all catchy/stupid/possibly very horrid. I never trust my memory to capture the real sound of a recording (the sound quality and mixing is always so much better in my head)

That said I remember liking JJ a lot better than EMF or PWEI at the time (I even went out and bought Perverse, and liked it) (I was also fourteen)

Millar (Millar), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

PWEI ownz, but I like Jesus Jones and EMF, too. Hell, I like THE FARM.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

AND Candy Flip.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked the Farm too! Then I listened to Spartacus in the FYE the other day and said 'WTF is this shit, I must have been insane' and decided the puberty was indeed a very strange time.

Millar (Millar), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

"Right Here Right Now" is one of the best songs of the early 90s. A pop masterpiece, nonetheless!

I just wanted to point out that "nonetheless" makes no sense in this paragraph. Carry on discussion, this thread just proves to me that we've officially run out of bands.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

never liked Jesus Jones. EMF were ok, but imho, both bands pale into insignificance next to Candyland. "Fountain of Youth" was a much better record than anything either band did.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...
INFO FREAKO is better than you remember.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

*digs out copy of Liquidiser which inexplicably is still in my collection*

It's exactly as good as I remember, i.e. great intro and then it turns into the usual sub-Charlatans plod.

But they still reform regularly to play their One Actual (American) Hit at corporate functions!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link

great intro? is info freako up first? it was a *nuts* song to have out as a single in any era. really noisy and unlike most of what was on the radio at the time.

wasn't a hit i see either. could have sworn it was.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Got to #42.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FjVjt78iqk

rancidrancidrancid33 (1 month ago)
why is there no energy like this in todays indie scene?. Watching this makes you realise how dull its become.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Haven't you heard the exciting new sound of the Klaxons?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link

indeed! the joke writes itself.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I still own the second album with the terrible cover that was supposedly THE FIRST ALBUM RECORDED ENTIRELY ON COMPUTER WTF.

"Real Real Real" and "Welcome Back Victoria" are pretty good too actually.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Slightly better than Carter USM. Which is no-one's idea of an accolade.

DavidM* (unreal), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

A contextual remembrance, courtesy of yours truly.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 15:41 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

listening to Liquidizer for the first time in... 20 years? it's kind of scary how music from a particular time in your life can imprint on you

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 16 August 2013 15:53 (seven years ago) link

saw them live a few weeks back.
bloody good fun.

mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 15:58 (seven years ago) link

iTunes added Perverse not long ago.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 August 2013 17:25 (seven years ago) link

I just listened to Carter USM's 30 Something with a huge grin on my face and even I'm not going anywhere near Perverse

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 16 August 2013 17:26 (seven years ago) link

i'm the other way around.

cant listen to carter these days (then again, i couldn't at their peak), whereas jj i still enjoy ..

mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 17:31 (seven years ago) link

I got off the JJ train when Perverse first came out; I'm very wary of revisiting that album

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 16 August 2013 17:40 (seven years ago) link

i really like it.

(though could do with a bit of bass amongst the top end excess)

it fits in well with the whole pwei and neds discovering ministry/nin groove ...

mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 17:43 (seven years ago) link

you know there was a time before britpop took over that a select few bands in the uk took the usa styled guitar heavy industrial thing, (as opposed to the true industrial noise a la ptv, coil, cabs), and ran with it.

pwei, emf vs foetus, jesus jones, curve, neds, senser ...

no doubt i have missed some ..

reminders most welcome

(silverfish ? never heard their foetus produced material)

i am going to enjoy the xc-nn album tonight ...

it's bloody good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpRxStKJbFE

mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:25 (seven years ago) link

Sheep On Drugs! I liked a song or two of theirs. Ahem.

Cubanate, Mary Byker's shitty Hyperhead project? I'd forgotten about XC-NN too. What happened to that strain?

the supreme personality of Godhead : a summary study (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:47 (seven years ago) link

SHEEP ON DRUGS RULED

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:48 (seven years ago) link

oh fuck of course .. SOD .. and hyperhead (thats buried deep in the archive ... time to start digging)

Iain from JJ has reminded me of eskimos and egypt ...

XC-NN went onto become tin star i think.

there was also a garbage lite band formed by bloke from danny wilson : transister

their album was very much along this kinda thing, with one of their tracks featuring in a slasher movie.

mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:49 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

i still really enjoy Doubt when i put it on i.e. tonight.

mark e, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:26 (two years ago) link

D-U-D.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:27 (two years ago) link

oh well, time for EMF then.

mark e, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:29 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Revive!!!

Have the years been kind?

Are we ever going to get to the bottom of this 'grebo' business, and what a grebo actually was?

Is this one of those bands where the US perspective is so inpenetrably different from the UK perspective that we might as well be discussing two different bands?

Is it weird that of all the comparisons on this thread, my boys The Shamen are never once mentioned - I just put Liquidiser on for the first time in nearly 30 years, and the first song is called "Move Mountains" and I actually yelped 'oh no you didn't' out loud?

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:50 (one week ago) link

Colin Angus: "In America, last year, Mike Edwards kept saying what a great influence we had on him, and it's true - he used to come to a lot of our gigs around this time. What he did was take some of our ideas about fusing rock and hip hop, and put polished melodies and lyrics on top. But I don't see Jesus Jones as plagiarists at all. Good luck to them."

Aw, bless. What a lovely man.

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:56 (one week ago) link

Funny, we were just on a road trip and my wife put on "Doubt," I think to see my reaction. I'd never heard it, but it was OK! I asked her if she used to listen to Ned's Atomic Dustbin and she said no, which I found intriguing, since I knew a few people that listened to Ned's Atomic Dustbin but no one that listened to Jesus Jones.

Fun fact: Jesus Jones's bassist plays with Jon Langford in the Waco Brothers here. I think a lot people think he's joking whenever he introduces him on stage as "superstar bassist of Jesus Jones" or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 September 2020 12:16 (one week ago) link

it's funny, I don't really equate Jesus Jones as being much like Shamen - one was a rock band with electronic influences, the other a dance act that broke into the alternative mainstream for a while

Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Sunday, 13 September 2020 12:35 (one week ago) link

Have the years been kind?

No. I just put on “Real Real Real” because it’s on my phone for some reason, and no.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 13 September 2020 13:54 (one week ago) link

Hey, DL, have you heard the albums Drop and In Gorbachev We Trust? Because The Shamen really didn't start as 'a dance act that broke into the alternative' - they started as a really psychedelic indie band, with vague ties to the Scottish end of C86 - and slowly became more and more dance oriented.

After hearing things like You, Me and Everything and Jesus Loves Amerika for the first time in 30 years - and then comparing those to e.g. Who, Where, Why - I was shocked, like, even down to "their bassist even has dreadlocks with shaved sides?!?!?" Seriously, listen to You, Me and Everything - Mike Edwards was even doing the exact same vocal fry (that Colin Angus later dropped, once he started being less influenced by the vocals on indie records, and more influenced by the vocals on house records).

No. I just put on “Real Real Real” because it’s on my phone for some reason, and no.

Aw, I didn't actually get that far. I listened to International Bright Young thing and Info Freako and Who, Where, Why and I was like "aw, these guys were better than I remembered?" but I suspect if I listened to Right Here Right Now I'd probably throw my phone across the room haha.

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:46 (one week ago) link

The first two records are solid, imho, the only thing I find a little lacking is Mike's adherence to really similar vocal melodies and ticks.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:47 (one week ago) link

OK, truth be told, I made it 55 seconds in before I wanted to punch the Bez-dancing dude and I had to stop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBklIul0Rog

Mike Edwards, give Colin back his hoodie from the You, Me and Everything video, now, it's cold up in Aberdeen, you know.

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:51 (one week ago) link

I just watched Right Here Right Now and my god, who goes to make their huge, career-changing video wearing their hair in a terrycloth scrunchie. Who.

Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 15:15 (one week ago) link

Real Real Real sounds like a cross between PWEI and the Inspiral Carpets? Perfect for the freshers week circuit, it's like music for dancefloors made sticky with vomit and spilled snakebite. They even dress like the lads from the Snowboard Soc so you know they're the cool kids

this is my clean tone (NickB), Sunday, 13 September 2020 15:54 (one week ago) link

Ha, funny revive -- I don't quite know how it happened but a few years back Iain Baker, the band's keyboardist, sent me a Facebook request; I accepted, and he's been a real pleasure to get to know via his many comments and posts. Talks about being a total post-punk fiend in the early 80s, which given all the dance experimentation makes sense. Has no airs, shares stories in an 'as it comes up' fashion and definitely looks back on what's been a steady enough career since with easygoing familiarity and friendliness.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:36 (one week ago) link

also, it's iain that's the 'bez dancing dude' in the video.
and as ned says, he is genuinely a good'un.

mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:41 (one week ago) link

Aw, I’m sorry for slagging off his dancing if he is a genuinely nice bloke!

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:55 (one week ago) link

I’m sure he’s lovely. But he is not a good dancer. Sorry

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:55 (one week ago) link

Hey, DL, have you heard the albums Drop and In Gorbachev We Trust? Because The Shamen really didn't start as 'a dance act that broke into the alternative' - they started as a really psychedelic indie band, with vague ties to the Scottish end of C86 - and slowly became more and more dance oriented.

ah, no I had no idea about this. I guess this was also true for a lot of acts who were known for dance or alt-dance in the nineties: Primal Scream, Underworld etc

Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:28 (one week ago) link

Branwell, just checked out Jesus Loves Amerika and you're so right about the vocal style. Funny how both bands had a slightly metal/industrial aspect to them which might have gone on to influence bands like Senser, Apollo 440 and Pitchshifter

Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:38 (one week ago) link

I just put Liquidiser on for the first time in nearly 30 years, and the first song is called "Move Mountains" and I actually yelped 'oh no you didn't' out loud?

But didn't Liquidizer come out before Pro>gen?

groovypanda, Monday, 14 September 2020 13:42 (one week ago) link

Ha, Liquidiser came out in Oct 1989 and the first version of Pro>Gen came out in March 1990, so... I suppose I have to allow it. ::narrows eyes::

The vocal style and delivery is really noticeable, I'm glad you agree, DL. We were talking about the Meat Beat Manifesto influence (wherein comes the Industrial edge, I think) on the Shamen thread earlier.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:50 (one week ago) link

I went and listened to Info Freako and it's not better than I remember, it's quite horrible but also have to say for 1989 not un-prescient in its depiction of 'information' addiction.

grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:26 (one week ago) link

"info freako" was always a painful tinnitus inducing 3 mins, but i took it as part of the songs individual appeal.
actually, the whole 'liquidizer' album has an insane level of top end on it.
i always suspected it was down to the bands lack of experience/knowledge/drugs, or, it was an artistic choice.
no idea if the remastered editions revises this aspect.

mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:28 (five days ago) link

I remember at the time Mike Edwards was mentioning Big Black as an influence (I'm guessing the title Liquidiser was a hat-tip to Atomiser?) so maybe some of the squealing sonic assault was due to a few too many listens to Kerosene etc?

all cats are greys (NickB), Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:42 (five days ago) link

so many folks spelling the debut as 'Liquidiser'
was it different in the US, as my UK copy is definitely 'Liquidizer' ?
and yeah, good call, as Big Black were another top end heavy noise band ... never made the connection before, but makes sense actually.

mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:53 (five days ago) link

This is apparently the keyboard player Iain Baker who Ned mentions above wearing a Big Black t-shirt:

https://www.picuki.com/media/771861530817785988

kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:43 (five days ago) link

Spellcheck innit. Not sure my phone will even allow me to type Liquidiser - nope, it changed it for me!

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:19 (five days ago) link

haha ..fair point.

mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:25 (five days ago) link


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