Motley Crue: Klassik or Dude!

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Forgive me if this has been asked before.....

I'm currently in the middle of "The Dirt," the oral history of L.A.'s self-proclaimed "sleaziest" band, Motley Crue. Given the staggering reach of their utterly zinjanthropun stupidity, one would suspect that New York Times music writer Neil Strauss had his work cut out for him in formulating their fleeting coherent thoughts into some semblance of readable format. In any event, while it's indeed a marvel how they manage to get through the day without destroying themselves and countless others in a cataclysmic dogpile of drugs, alcohol and sexual transmitted diseases, the band did manage to sell a lot of records in their time. Personally, while it doesn't contain evidence of the slightest shred of originality, I think SHOUT AT THE DEVIl is a fine bit of gloriously stoopid metal and Bob Rock's pavement-cracking production on DOCTOR FEELGOOD (specifically on the title track) has always led me to forgive the band most of their lamentable shenanigans. What say you, sophisticated ILM'ers? Is there anyone out there with the moxy to admit that they actually dug the Crue way back when before discovering Pavement, PET SOUNDS and Neu?

Alex in NYC, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I had the Shout at the Devil album back when I was an angst-filled youth, yes. And when anyone accused me of being a Satan-worshipper, I would say, "No, look, they're telling you to shout AT the devil, not with him or for him! They must really hate that devil!" Theatre of Pain was more musical overall, but it should be noted that "Home Sweet Home" is unforgiveable no matter how you slice it (or how angst- filled a youth you were).

Oddly, my strongest memory of the Crue now comes courtesy of a soap opera I was always forced to watch over dinner. There was this one plot line where someone who felt they had been wronged was plotting revenge against one of the main characters of the show, and was holed up like a nutbar in a hotel room, repeatedly shooting styrofoam dummy heads with a pistol. But you can't shoot a pistol in a hotel without someone hearing, right? So the person cranked Motley Crue's "Dr. Feelgood" every time they shot the styrofoam head. So, in my mind, Motley Crue is music to blow your brains out to. TAKE THAT, OZZY.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Shout at the Devil' ROCKED! What14-yr-old couldn't relate to "Now I'm killing you, watch your face turning blue...Too young to fall in love!" All the hormone-induced psychosis (you know, you imagine yourself Genghis Khan on a rape&pillage tour of Valhalla when you're really drinking warm beer [American, unrefrigerated, rather than English, bitter] and masturbating over a copy of Playboy so old it's got a Margaux Hemingway pictorial made BEFORE she killed herself) without the Iron Maiden Terry Pratchet-ness. And that track "Danger", whew! Remember the Bergenfield Four? 'River's Edge'? That generation of loser kids who were too early to even be lowly Generation X'ers? No? No one does. Goddam you boomers and your dot-communist offspring. And "Danger" is a PHOTOCOPY of Judas Priest's "Beyond the Realms of Death"!
Then they the wildly mis-named Bob Rock.

tarden, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Extraneous trivia: Crue/Metallica/Cult Producer Bob Rock used to play guitar in one-hit-wonder New Wave band, the PAYOLA$ (of "Eyes of a Stranger" fame).

alex in nyc, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Funnily enough, as detailed in "The Dirt," the band themselves (particularly songwriter/chief idiot Nikki Sixx) practically disown THEATRE OF PAIN and its follow-up effort, GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS, citing said albums' lack of musical merit.

alex in nyc, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, that should be 'then they MET Bob 'I can't' Rock'

tarden, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i love motley crue. unfortunately, i've never heard them. but they're ace of course

gareth, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Remember the Bergenfield Four? 'River's Edge'? That generation of loser kids who were too early to even be lowly Generation X'ers? No? No one does.

I'm from Bergenfield. I swear. My hometown is immortalized by the Crue? My life suddenly takes on new meaning.

Larms, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe you all are neglecting to mention 'too fast for love,' one of the finest power-pop albums ever! it is totally cheap trick channeled through massive amounts of eyeliner, and it has the bubbly 'toast of the town,' later covered by pretty boy floyd, who i think exploited the song's full potential for 'we are going to be HUGE STARS' sass.

anyway. CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC of course, at least if you exclude 'girls, girls, girls' and pick up at 'dr. feelgood.' search: 'too young to fall in love,' 'toast of the town,' 'come on and dance,' 'she goes down' (guest vocals by robin zander!), 'kickstart my heart,' and hey, how about that video for 'looks that kill,' which caused my sister to refer to mtv as 'the uglies' from ages 4-7?

you might do well to destroy all their mid to late '90s output -- the stuff with john corabi and the ill-fated forays into limp bizkit-style stuff. although 'afraid,' off GENERATION SWINE, was creepy-cool -- sorta SHOUT AT THE DEVIL-esque minor keys.

a friend loaned me 'the dirt' last night, and how excited am i -- even though i already saw the picture of the mound of coke shaped like texas.

maura, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard a couple of songs from Too Fast For Love in a record store last week, and it's really surprising stuff, very punky and un- bombastic. "Dr Feelgood" and "Don't Go Away Mad" are also Classics. Attitude-wise, they're of course a Limp Bizkit-size dud.

Patrick, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, alex, the Payola$ were only a one-hit wonder if you weren't in Canada. Here, they were a goddam institution! I mean, "China Boys" was a big (underground, anyhow) hit way before "Eyes of a Stranger", and there were even hits afterwards, like "Here's the World For You" and "I'll Find Another". It was actually sort of weird watching this strange little new wave reggae-influenced band (Canada's answer to the Police, perhaps?) spit out Paul Hyde as a solo act when all along the one who'd make it famous was Bob Rock. Not that Bob ever did it on his own. Does anyone remember Rockhead with any fond memories?

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Motley = classic. Some weak albums, fersure (Girls is all filler beyond track 3), but abject greatness [despite themselves, who knows?] on Shout at the Devil. That album remains essential (I've long surpassed any need for Pavement or Pet Sounds). Maura "on the money" (tho' "Too Young to Fall in Love" better vid than "Looks That Kill"). Pretty Boy Floyd = dud, tho' "Leather Boyz with Electric Toyz" (song, not album) most excellent.

AP, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and back to the Crue, two things: 1) There is a Skinny Puppy remix of "Hooligan's Holiday" out there somewhere. Anyone hear it?

2) Sometimes I think there is a conspiracy to prevent us from finding out that Motley Crue and the Cure are the same band. Cure. Crue. Crue. Cure. They were both on Elektra. They both had big hair and dressed in black. And has anyone seen them in the same room together?

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

if you can't find the umlauts, you can write 'Mertley Cruer'. A good name for a merterl band would be 'The Umlauts.'

maryann, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Maryann, there is a good story (I heard it from Jon Bywater I think) about those umlauts being put into use by a live german audience who didn't know 'better'.

david p, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Which letter did Motorhome puts ITS umlaut over? One which computer keyboards don't allow, I'll be bound...

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, so I was serious about that Bergenfield thing, tarden, and you didn't bother to answer me. Thanks a lot.

Larms, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What14-yr-old couldn't relate to "Now I'm killing you, watch your face turning blue...Too young to fall in love!"

This is one of those 'Err... me!' moments. I hate it when people stereotype 14 year olds. And when it's done retrospectively it's even worse. Like some kind of 'ooh we all had big hair in the 80s' type bollocks I Love the 70s Stalinist revisionism.

Nick, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, that all sounded very po-faced. I was overdoing the indignation for dramatic effect.

Nick, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't worry about it Nick, 'cause you're completely right.

Patrick, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What, you mean that when you were a teenager, you were completely well-adjusted and had no confused, contradictory and dramatic reactions to your body mutating and weird hormones kicking in? Everything went smoothly and you went from innocence to adulthood painlessly in a calm, mature fashion? If so, congratulations!

tarden, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't say that rape/murder fantasies about girls I had a crush on loomed very large - sorry to disappoint you.

Patrick, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Rape fantasies? Aren't you confusing the Motleys with Nick Cave?

tarden, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

See, "Too Young to Fall in Love" = extrapolation of "Ballad of Reading Gaol", oddly enough coming out around the same time as Sting's similarly-themed (and similarly ace!) "Fortress Around Your Heart".

tarden, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Besides, is there something wrong with 'stereotyping 14-yr-olds'? Are they an oppressed group or something? And even if they are, they'll inevitably turn 15 one day, so problem solved.

tarden, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
I really do need to get a copy of The Dirt.

Rock Bastard, Thursday, 10 June 2004 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Deconstructing Motley Crue

Nikki Sixx - Possibly the worst bass player ever? Maybe, but his single-note thumping seems to work perfectly, so perhaps not! Worst lyricist ever? Some of his lyrics may seem completely retarded, probably indeed most of them, but how is it that they hold up so much better than what the other metal bands were singing about back then? What else would music that SOUNDS like this even be singing about? No, the lyrics are a perfect fit for the most part. Interestingly, many of the lyrics have a bit of mystery about them, but I think this is due to Nikki's lack of ability than anything else. Still, Vince managed to make the crudest looking shit Nikki was able to write sound much, much better than it reads, so either Nikki was writing for Vince's vocal stylings or Vince's vocal stylings polished the turd that was Nikki's lyrics. (See the song "Shout At The Devil" and notice all the syllables). As a band leader, Nikki certainly pulled together just the right elements to create one of the most memorable metal bands ever.

Mick Mars - I have to put this guy right under Nikki. I'm not sure if he had lack of talent of just showed considerable restraint and taste because his guitar is very understated and yet he lays down just the right amount of groove and the most perfect guitar solos one could ask for. Listening to this guy again as a non-8th greater, I can see he is the ultimate foundation of this band, despite Nikki's leadership and lyricist role and Vince Neil's unique voice. Compare Mick's guitar to Tracii Guns, Tom Kieffer or Warren Dimartini. Sure, LA Guns, Cinderella and Ratt had some ripping guitars and slick licks, but for some odd reason Motley Crue's groove, tone and song structure is just better all around. Mick had a great bite for the riffs and very intersting and weird solo sounds. Some solos sound melted and warped like old ZZ Top-bordering on psychedelia, other solos sound almost middle-eastern and "God Bless The Children of The Beast" sounds like the Exorcist. Mick was very good with the tone and for coming up with minimal groovy licks that were unique and tricky to play. There is also that great bit where Vince's voice disappears perfectly into the first note of a solo, which isn't just a studio trick but something they pulled off live. I defy you to find where the voice ends and the guitar begins.

Tommy Lee - This guy was really NOT a great drummer. This is painfully obvious to me now that I am not in 8th grade. Forget the obvious citation of the cowbell on "Too Fast For Love," his whole method was plodding and simple. I remember VH1 documentaries talking about how awesome Tommy was and how Nikki saw him and new he had to have him in his band. It must have been more of a personality thing because the drumming is just OK. But, still, like Nikki's simple bass "playing," Tommy's drumming worked perfectly for the music they played. Once again, I think this is a credit to Mick Mars.

Vince Neil - A bit shrill on "Too Fast For Love," but other than that, Vince probably has the best voice of all the 80's bands. He really did have quite a range and control over his voice, which is something you really notice after years of listening to punk, indie and more socially-acceptable (these days) metal bands like AC/DC, Metallica and Motorhead. Some people may think he sounds totally "pussyish," but not to me. The voice of Motley Crue is probably the easiest thing to notice in these days of gruff metal manhood when you first put on one of their records, but if you just let it play and soak it up, you begin to realize how great it is. It's not often overly dramatic or shrill like Metallica, Dio, Judas Priest and countless others often are. In fact, really take a moment and imagine ANYONE ELSE singing "Shout At The Devil"... take a minute... Vince Neil was the perfect singer for Motley Crue. His replacement on the later records was terrible.

All in all, I think the band in it's classic form was great. It's too bad there's just not much you can do with that kind of music. I think the newest record, "New Tattoo" was a fine record, it's just that we didn't really need it. Everything Motley Crue had to offer has already been offered, I think. But, I wouldn't mind another Crue record every 3 or 4 years if they could actually think of new stuff that still felt like "the Crue."

asdf troll, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I was a huge, huge Crue fan growing up. The cassette of Too Fast for Love was a stocking stuffer back in...? I can't remember, but I had, like, maybe, four pubic hairs on my nuts when I tore the skrink wrap from that little gem. It's a great fucking rock album. Shout at the Devil is top shelf, too. Has anybody mentioned the videos? Fuck. Those early videos were fantastic: Looks that Kill, Livewire, Too Young to Fall in Love. They all looked like they were done on some cheap-ass Hollywood back lot sets with a ton of smoke pumped-in to hide how the set was constructed two hours before the cameras started rolling. Again, as I always say, the secret of Crue is to be found in Hanoi Rocks. They are the rightful kings (queens?) of 80s hair metal.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

not everything they did was bad, but i have to say that vince neil is my least favorite rock star of all time.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Neil: When we started Mötley Crüe we didn't go, "You're gonna cut your hair and look like this." We just happened to look like we did. If you look through the albums, we changed every single year. When somebody started doing what we were doing, like with Shout at the Devil - the bondage thing and the devil stuff - we changed to glam. When the Poisons and the Warrants started doing that, we did Girls Girls Girls, which was biker stuff.

Sixx: Our first album was a punk record; the second was a heavy metal record; our third record was influenced by Bowie and the Stones. Then we had a blues-based influence on Girls Girls Girls and went pop/metal on Dr. Feelgood. Whatever we were doing at the moment, we saw 10 other bands doing it. It felt cheap to us, so we would abandon it. Including our logo, which drove our record company crazy.

Neil: We've never had the same Mötley Crüe logo ever.

from http://www.vh1.com/artists/interview/1455311/06192002/motley_crue.jhtml

asdf troll, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Great post, asdf. (your first one, I mean)

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Did you like all the type o's? I was trying to sound like a real metal writer.

asdf troll, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

ha!

What do you think of Feelgood era? appropos your Vince comments, I think "Don't Go Away Mad" is really beautifully sung.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Feelgood was like a return to form after Girls, Girls, Girls. By the time it came out, I was pretty much bored of them, but I knew it was better than 'Girls. Now that I've gone back and bought some of their albums on CD, Dr. Feelgood is one that I am happy to play more these days since I listened to it less in those days. It's a good record and sounds like the band should, I think. Don't Go Away Mad is a good song. I just can't imagine anyone singing a Vince song better than Vince. He's pretty great with... um... inflection? He is able to meld personality into a song.

asdf troll, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Best Thread Title ever.

Jo-Jo's Circus, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

One more thing:

They could make you feel tough without feeling angry and they could also make you feel happy without feeling uncool.

asdf troll, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't heard Girls, Girls, Girls all the way through since it came out, but I remember liking it. Funny to read that, per Alex's comment upthread, the band slagged off it and Theatre (I mean, Theatre I can understand)(I still need to read "The Dirt" too, dangit.) I had to look at the track listing just now to remember what was on it. "Bad Boy Boogie" -- pretty good but not as good as AC/DC's. "All in the Name of..." -- REALLY stupid, but fun ("for sex and sex I'd sell my soul"??); Vince sings "rock & roll" just like Bon Scott ("roll-uh") It's basically their meat and potatoes album. But yeah, I loved Dr. Feelgood.

You might like these threads-

TS: 'Funhouse' vs. 'Shout at the Devil'
Mick Mars vs James Williamson vs Ron Asheton vs David Bowie

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, Stormy, those were good reads. Dave Q has fun comparing the Crue to the Stoges. Or is irked?

asdf troll, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Heh heh...as a typical 1983-84 teen metalhead, I owned records by Priest, Maiden, Twisted Sister, etc. All the usual suspects - with the glaring exception of Motley Crue, who I loathed, as much for their asinine antics as their music. So now, 20 years later, how is it that I own Motley Crue's Too Fast For Love on compact disc - and NOTHING at all by any of those other bands?! Well, don't ask me, 'cause I still don't like it much, aside from "Public Enemy #1" and a coupla other of the tuneful ones. No, the Crue STILL sucks, but they do manage to produce the occasional decent track ("Dr. Feelgood", "Girls Girls Girls") so that they can pass as not-half-bad. But actually they are, they are, they are.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

they had an appropriately horrific and entertaining Behind the Music so Classic

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't heard Girls, Girls, Girls all the way through since it came out, but I remember liking it. Funny to read that, per Alex's comment upthread, the band slagged off it and Theatre (I mean, Theatre I can understand)

Of course, the band's opinion should count for something, but I think they are just sort of embarrassed by it because it was very pop and pop isn't cool. Plus they were dressing like women and that's not cool, either.

Mick Mars said that the song structure on Theatre of Pain was lacking and that it was repetitive. He also said besides the two singles (Smokin' In The Boys Room, Home Sweet Home) the album wasn't good and the sole saving grace was Home Sweet Home. He's wrong! Both Girls, Girls, Girls and Dr. Feelgood were more repetitive and had worse structure in my opinion. The songs grew longer and more boring. Also, the two singles off Theatre of Pain were probably the worst songs on the album, although the entire album is flawless, in my opinion.

Theatre of Pain, for me, was the climax of the band. It's not as raw sounding as the first two, but the guitar tones are really diverse and mature. The album seems to have some depth and a cool ominous vibe throughout. It has an old early ZZ Top feel, which is a far cry from Too Fast For Love, but a much more textured and developed evolution of the same "beast."

This is a weird comparison, but Theatre of Pain is very much like Camper Van Beethoven's Key Lime Pie. (Surprise!) Key Lime Pie is obviously unique, even compared to the rest of the band's material, but it is still a very cool album even if it doesn't fit in anywhere. The production of those two albums is also very similar and all the songs are slower, so that might be where the comparison is coming from, too. If you listen to both albums back-to-back, I think you'll hear the similarities.

After Theatre of Pain it seems like they just went backwards or stood still. Dr. Feelgood is cool and all, but it reminds me of Bon Jovi for crying out loud. And the lyrics are cornier than ever. Fast boogie-butt music without the wicked edge of the first two albums.

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Vince probably has the best voice of all the 80's bands.

Oh no he didn't. I mean, granted, there are slim pickens in terms of good 80's metal vocalists, but Vince is not a great one by ANY standard. I'd sooner cite David Lee Roth (if he could be included amongst lesser bands). Hell, even Stephen Pearcy (sp?) from Ratt had a more distinctive voice.

Raven of Killing Joke has recently become a pal of Nikki Sixx's, and cryptically alleged recently that much of Vince's vocals were...ahem..."enhanced" with the vocals of none other than Robin Zander of Cheap Trick (i.e. that's often not Vince doin' the singing). Make of that what you will.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I believe they shared a producer or two at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

My favorite anecdote from "The Dirt": After nights of groupie lovin', The Crue used to go to a mexican restaraunt and stick their dicks in burritos to cover up the smell o' dirty pussy from their girlfriends

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahaha. I was just talking about that particularly odd episode last week.

Which is odder, though? Your boyfriend's cock smelling like another woman....or your boyfriend's cock smelling like mexican food????

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I've never been able to understand that...unless they were known for particularly bad hygiene...I wore leather pants on Halloween and my little man was sweating like Patrick Ewing

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd sooner cite David Lee Roth (if he could be included amongst lesser bands). Hell, even Stephen Pearcy (sp?) from Ratt had a more distinctive voice.

They're both one dimensional and neither can really sing. Both would have made Motley Crue sound quite bad. Stephen Pearcy sucked and got old real fast.

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd sooner cite David Lee Roth (if he could be included amongst lesser bands). Hell, even Stephen Pearcy (sp?) from Ratt had a more distinctive voice.

They're both one dimensional and neither can really sing. Both would have made Motley Crue sound quite bad. Stephen Pearcy, especially, sucked and got old real fast. Also, I think you took the crytically alleged comment far too seriously about Robin Zander.

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

BTW, anyone besides me think they are full of shit in their storytelling? They don't sound and certainly never looked like staggeringly bad drug addicts. And not a single one of them looks tough. I think they are trying to be the baddest band around and romanticizing and enhancing their memories.

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link

They're self-styled bad boys, asdf, true, but Vince did manage to kill and maim a few people as a result of his herculean irresponsibility.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link

...and did you just suggest that Vince Neil is a better vocalist than David Lee Roth? The mind reels if so.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Lots of people drive drunk and kill people.

Yes, Vince Neil is better than Roth. Roth sings monotone. Most of Van Halen is unlistenable and his solo stuff just as bad. He always sounded like an old man and not even a rockin' old man! The bozzeebozzeebopzitteeboop routine was very fitting. Besides Van Halen I, all of that stuff is the most overrated metal perhaps ever. I hate Eddie's solos!

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link

you crazy

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

But not crazy from the heat!

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

hahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I like David Lee Roth better as an entertainer and a personality, though. Vince Neil is someone I never cared about even back when I was 13.

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Greta stuff asdf, especially the stuff about Nikki Sixx and Mick Mars. You may disagree, but I do think you could make Vince's vocals part of your 'can't really do it very well, but why does it work' thing (no way is he in the same league as Mr Roth and Mr Halford). The band was definitely more than the sum of its parts, and so was the book 'The Dirt'.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Halford is insane! Have you ever listened to "Painkiller?" Ouch! But yeah, plenty of JP is really great. In truth, I think of Motley, Ratt etc. as the kids of Van Halen and Priest. I just don't care for VH too much because David Lee reminds me too much of Sammy Davis Jr. or something.

asdf troll, Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Bob Rock's pavement-cracking production on DOCTOR FEELGOOD (specifically on the title track)

"pavement-cracking". I like that.

Hell, I snagged the remastered edition of the album out of the discount bin a few days ago just for the first 30 seconds of the title track.

(And I don't mean that "T'n'T" track, either.)

Edward Bax, Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I just don't care for VH too much because David Lee reminds me too much of Sammy Davis Jr. or something.

A fair and valid point, but he wasn't always that bad. Well, actually, yes he was, but circa Fair Warning the rest of the band kept it in check.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link

David Lee reminds me too much of Sammy Davis Jr. or something.

*spews coffee and bursts into laughter*

darin (darin), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks all for convicing me to pick up The Dirt. I'm already on page 50-something and enjoying it so far. It seems more believable than I imagined at this point, but I'm reserving judgement on this for now. Nikki Sixx just sounds like such a liar when I see him on TV, but then again, sometimes I feel like a liar when I talk about some of the crazy tales from my past that I know are true.

asdf troll, Friday, 19 November 2004 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Nikki Sixx is the quintessential revisionist.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Nikki Sixx... you know, I thought it was a pretty good fake name, but knowing that he just stole it from someone else is pathetic. Now I understand why there was that big "two Nikkis" rumor that the original Nikki had been kicked out or missing and was replaced with a look-alike.

How would he really have nailed that kid's ear to the table? Without help, I'd imagine it's physically impossible to restrain someone while holding and hammering a nail.

Theatre of Pain... Since Nikki flat-out stole his name and they rehashed Mick's old Mottley Croo idea, did they steal this from Christian Death's "Only Theatre of Pain" too or is it a classic phrase? I assume it is just another thing Nikki "appropriated."

asdf troll, Friday, 19 November 2004 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Wouldn't be at all surprised on that last point, Asdf.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

"when i woke up, the needle was still in my arm..."

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

What do we all think of the story of Nikki Sixx, Lita Ford, the Necronomicon and forks and knives sticking into the ceiling by themselves? Shout WITH The Devil becomes Shout AT The Devil, but Nikki still claims the pentagram, etc. are "meaningless bullshit" as silverware is flying across the room by itself? Believable?

asdf troll, Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahaha...I forgot about that episode. Who fuckin' knows. There's oddly a chapter in Lydia Lunch's oddball memoir Paradoxia. Maybe there's a missed love connection there.


On the way to work this evening, I dialed up "Primal Scream" by the Crue (from Decade of Decadence) and damn is that ever a fine song.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahaha...I forgot about that episode. Who fuckin' knows. There's oddly a chapter in Lydia Lunch's oddball memoir Paradoxia. Maybe there's a missed love connection there.

Brain fart. Unfinished thought....the point i was making is that Lydia Lunch's own memoir features parallel tales of lurid behavior and drug abuse (and lots of degrading sex) along with the obligatory brush with the paranormal. Seek it out.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Cool, although I can't stand her, unfortunately. I will look it over at the local B&Nobles.

asdf troll, Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Just snagged Dirt out of the remainder bin for $4.50.

Hard to know how much of it to believe.

How old is Mick anyway? They keep playing it up as if he is 15 years older than the other guys.

Edward Bax, Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link

55

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 December 2004 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

So, Mick's what, 10 years older than the other guys?

Edward Bax, Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

A lot of it seems to be blatant lies.

I bought the VHS video Motley Crue: UNCENSORED for $3.00 online right after I read Dirt and, guess what? The video was taped is during the Theatre of Pain album and they all look very healthy for junkies and alcoholics. They are not fat or skinny. They have chest and arm muscles that indicate weight-lifting is going on. They also are very sober acting and energetic. If anything, they seem like they are just beginning to party a little bit.

Also, on the video the story is that they were recording and someone came in the studio and said, "Well, isn't this a motley lookin' crew?" And that is how they got their name according to this video.

Mick Mars says "Theatre of Pain" is favorite album they've made and he sounds very enthusiastic about it.

This video is very Monkees-ish and if they were really as fucked up as they claim in Dirt, I really don't think making a video like this would've been possible. Imagine old Royal Trux trying to cheer up, get in shape, run around and act in front of a bunch of cameras.

Some of it is definitely true, like the musical influences and stuff, but I think they're just lightweights in the drugs and alcohol department so they imagine it worse than it was. Besides, if they were really that fucked up, they wouldn't have such great memories. I can barely remember college and there's no way I could detail it the way they've detailed their past 20 years.

asdf troll, Friday, 3 December 2004 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link

To say 'Theatre of Pain' is your favorite album, you'd have to be prety fucked up

dave q (listerine), Friday, 3 December 2004 01:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 December 2004 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Dave Q, not favorite album in the world. They asked him which Motley Crue record was his favorite. Mick does look a little chubby in the video and Nikki makes a joke about him drinking too much, but it seems really, really scripted.

Something else really weird about the video is when they get to Mick's place he has something like 20 gold records on the wall. How is that possible?

asdf troll, Friday, 3 December 2004 02:07 (fifteen years ago) link

From all those bands he was in during the 70s

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 3 December 2004 02:09 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Daphne Carr's review of the March 3rd show at the `Garden in the latest Village Voice is REALLY ANNOYING.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link

link?

charleston charge (chaki), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

damnit why did i read that

charleston charge (chaki), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Told ya.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Ugh, that SUCKED! I'm sure that reading this, her 'skater boi' is just as embarrassed for her as we all are. Egads.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link

while indulging itself in the fantasy that messed-up gender BS only happens on revival stages, amid pyrotechnics.

when I went punk in eighth grade, 1993.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:32 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.317x.com/albums/h/heino2/enlargement.jpg

Jena (JenaP), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:36 (fifteen years ago) link

It is impossible to escape Heino on this board lately.

Beebop Maggot (Bimble...), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Heino is omniscient.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:48 (fifteen years ago) link

You can see the glow his ghostly aura in the dark. Green. Eerie. He never leaves.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:49 (fifteen years ago) link

six years pass...

I finally gave Shout at the Devil a try after years of vowing not to ever give Motley Crue a chance due to my dislike of Vince Neil's voice, the fact that he killed dude from Hanoi Rocks, and their later singles in general. This is actually p good! Dunno that it's gonna be something I spin a million times, but even Vince doesn't annoy me so much.

is their first album even better?

carlton lutefisk (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2011 18:51 (nine years ago) link

is their first album even better?

Nope. They peaked with SatD. There are two or three good songs on the debut, and about that many on each of their next three (Theatre of Pain, Girls Girls Girls and Dr. Feelgood), but they only had one really, really good album in 'em.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 25 June 2011 20:21 (nine years ago) link

okie doke!

carlton lutefisk (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:20 (nine years ago) link

First album is worth hearing though. It's the second best thing they ever did by a fair margin.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:21 (nine years ago) link

i'll probably get around to it

carlton lutefisk (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:23 (nine years ago) link

anyone care to rep for, or at least comment on MC's post Feelgood material? I don't believe I've heard a single song recorded after that Decade of Decadence thing.

buffandmaxsgaydad (Pillbox), Saturday, 25 June 2011 23:42 (nine years ago) link

I don't believe I've heard a single song recorded after that Decade of Decadence thing.

I have, but I don't remember a thing about it.

Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 25 June 2011 23:45 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxi5qDQ4Xa4

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 10:37 (seven years ago) link

Some great posts in this thread, but really, it may be a cliche, but fuck me it's true: The first two albums are some of my favorite music around and I could give two shits about everything else the band did. Motley Crue to me defined a band that pandered shamelessly. This pandering was pretty good for the first two records because they seemed to be reaching for pretty normal things: If we write this song, we can get laid! If we write this album, we can get signed! If we write this album, we can tour like crotch-sniffing animals!

But then they pandered for successes far beyond the tits & testosterone and everything from that point on is as dead to me as Michael Corleone's rat fink brother. The fact that they reached those successes is really immaterial, though it allowed for an amusing book.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 11:09 (seven years ago) link

^^^ EXACTLY. When they were poor scumbags they were kinda great.

new hope for orang-utan (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 11:50 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

The Dirt movie is such unrepentant trash it's kind of great in the post Ray/Walk The Line era of prestige music flicks

one year passes...

Can't say that I had "Motley Crue drummer Tommy Lee releases an Electro/Hip-Hop album" on my 2020 Bingo Card, but it's been a strange year.

TOMMY LEE

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RELEASES HIS HIGHLY-ANTICIPATED NEW ALBUM,ANDRO

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WITH TRACKS FEATURING POST MALONE, TYLA YAWEH, MICKEY AVALON, LUKAS ROSSI, PUSH PUSH, BROOKE CANDY AND MORE

Los Angeles, CA (October 16, 2020) – The making of ANDRO, “the year’s most galvanizing electro/hip hop record,” according to Alternative Press, was an adventure of musical discovery. On this record, we see one of rock’s most notorious drummers Tommy Lee step behind the board, seeking new talent from all over the talent from all over the world to enhance the high-energy music created in the time between tours with Mötley Crüe.

The music on ANDRO truly represents the music that Tommy was meant to make--and reveals the depth and range of his musical fascinations. The songs represent the male and female sides of music--equally important and equally powerful, influencing the name of the album, ANDRO. Androgyny is a combination of the essences of male and female genders and ANDRO is the musical manifestation of the concept.

With elements of hip-hop, electronic, pop, industrial, and rock combined with nearly any other genre you can think of, ANDRO was created as an emotional release for this challenging year of 2020. Tommy and guests tackle these musical genre-bending bold tracks, in-your-face beats and high-level production. “I have a list of people I’ve always wanted to work with. It’s a long list! I’m a big fan of the underdog because there are people who are so talented out there. Because of the way things are now, it is just so fucking hard to cut through the abundance of music and fucking noise that is out there. Some of the artists I most love really struggle to see the light of day.

But not everyone on Andro is an underdog. The album also features Lee's remix of “Tommy Lee” the eponymous track by Post Malone and Tyla Yaweh that was certified Gold earlier this month. Tommy's driving remix was created with the help of John 5 on guitars and produced along with his son, Dylan Lee. The track has been featured on ESPN throughout the NBA playoffs

Tommy’s ability to expertly bring together musicians from multiple genres, countries, and backgrounds has awarded him with an album that sounds like nothing that has come before it. The video for Mickey Avalon’s “Caviar on A Paper Plate” was filmed recently in Los Angeles and it features Avalon doing his very own rendition of the garage attendants in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off with Tommy’s wrapped Rolls Royce. “Working with everyone was awesome! They all took great lead from me, being that I am such a professional,” laughs Avalon. The video is a prequel to a Tik Tok posted by Lee and his wife, Brittany Furlan Lee, earlier this week.

“This pandemic has put a new spin on just about everything we do, and music is always the cure for what we go through. ANDRO can definitely help ease what fucking ails ya’ll,” Tommy says.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:41 (one week ago) link

I guess it's better than relaunching Methods of Mayhem?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:46 (one week ago) link

Having just listened to the album, I would say no! :)
But I am not the target audience here...

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 16 October 2020 15:33 (one week ago) link


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