Oneida -- You'e having a laugh

I haven't seen it either, but the impression I got from the trailer is that it's not really about music as music, or rather that music could be substituted with any competitive young person activity in which there's a teacher-student or coach-student relationship. Like it might just as well be drumline drumming, or some kind of competitive dance team thing. But it also didn't seem totally far-fetched to me that there are musicians out there who might treat jazz big band that way. Although that doesn't square AT ALL with my high school and college big band playing experience -- we did go to competitions, but even when we were competing the director was much more interested in making sure we captured the nuances and feeling of the music than in some kind of tempo contest. I don't see any of that as necessarily meaning it isn't a good movie though.

saw oneida on saturday with james mcnew playing bass? is that a thing? great show but they got kicked off stage after like half an hour for some macbook dj.

Yikes, that sounds criminal. Half an hour is not enough time. McNew has played with them before though.

it seems like a movie about abusive teachers who "force greatness" out of their carefully chosen students and that's not my thing at all, movie about drumming and teachers aside. i dunno. maybe it's like the Nadia of drumming movies.

seems like mcnew is pretty much in oneida now? at least he's been playing live w/ em for at least the past year or so. don't know if he contributes on record though.

the truncated show was a drag but they sounded awesome. two extended kraut jams and a rock and roll song. i spent all my merch table cash on beer, is the brah tapes stuff mailorderable? they def sold me on what they are doing these days.

oh man, that saturday bill had chris forsyth on it too...right? and yes - 30 minutes is way too short.

finally got a tape deck -- had a listening session where we went through all 4 brah tapes consecutively. together, it's a pretty massive double album worth of really good material, spanning everything from shorter burners in the vein of preteen weaponry to amorphous imposing improv with the flavor of "a list of the burning mountains", to oscillating, almost-mellow dronescapes. i've yet to digitize anything, but will get around to it if for no other reason than to listen to at work.

lots of stuff to look forward to in 2015, per their site:
+Recording the THIRTEENTH Oneida album (This is Thirteen II—still gotta run that one by the guys).
+Blowin’ the Rhys Chatham/Oneida album for Northern Spy
+Layin’ the fourth People of the North album out on the stoop

till then, here's jam i (roughly) captured from july. pretty sure this is...new?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zCl5uSXRg

nice jam. they didn't play that one on saturday.

chris forsyth w/ band was excellent too, they are playing bk again next month to which i will definitely go.

it seems like a movie about abusive teachers who "force greatness" out of their carefully chosen students and that's not my thing at all, movie about drumming and teachers aside. i dunno. maybe it's like the Nadia of drumming movies.

― vigetable (La Lechera), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:48 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Since that kind of "greatness" is so anathema to what I consider great in drumming, I just feel like I'm going to have to go in not thinking of it as a music film. Then again music films generally tend to be even more fraught with cliches, impossibilities and fanciful myths than biopics in general.

Although it's not totally without precedent in the real world (pretty sure Buddy Rich did see music as that kind of competition, for example).

"Whiplash" is good imo

i hope it's good, but have a reaaally hard time imagining that it feels real to anyone with similar experiences. honestly i'm mostly hoping for hilarious camp.

yeah, i definitely saw all the stuff kid millions criticizes about the film as intentional, that ultimately the whole thing is about the sort of folly some people engage in, people who think you can turn somebody into charlie parker by throwing a cymbal at their head, and how some people have an exceptional kind of magnetism to where they can actually get folks to believe something that self-evidently stupid. that's not really a "jazz" thing per se.

russian olympic jazz

which reminds me I really wanna see that soviet hockey team doc. which takes me even further afield from this thread.

that's why i compared it to Nadia -- the camp and the cartoonishly mean coach

clearly there is not much intersection between fans of the tv movie Nadia and Oneida
lol

ah didn't catch the ref

lol xp

You couldn't hang with Oneida and their crowd unless you knew Nadia backwards and forwards

oneida-headz - is there any way to get the recent brah tapes other than on cassette?

Couple of Brah Tapes tracks here:

http://jagjaguwar.com/blog/2015/01/european-tour-announce-oneida-to-perform-eleven-shows-in-europe-tour-starts-319/

http://www.thrilljockey.com/thrill/People-of-the-North/Era-of-Manifestations

Never sure which Oneida thread is "the" Oneida thread, but full recent set put up by NYCTaper:

http://www.nyctaper.com/2015/03/oneida-february-27-2015-the-bowery-ballroom-flacmp3streaming/

Like this minus the first song "Cedars", which just doesn't work for me for some reason. They cover This Heat, which is probably not a good idea for most bands but their take on "S.P.Q.R." is pretty sweet.

ooh thanks for this. I'm still looking for a way into this band. I have The Wedding, Secret Wars, Anthem Of The Moon, and the Nice EP. What am I obviously missing?

honestly i feel like these live recordings are their best work!

Rated O and Each One Teach One are my favorites.

Each One Teach One is great, but I like Anthem of the Moon and Secret Wars a lot too (and Rated O). They really are best as a live experience though.

Yeah Each One and Rated O pretty much spell it out.

^ agree w this. honestly think the wedding and secret wars see them trying to be something other than what they naturally are (traditional rock band, rather than a god-level psychedelic groove machine), to generally disappointing effect. they have moments, those more song-driven albums, but nothing to stand with their best work. agree that the live show is the only way to truly know the O.

*makes mental note to attend next London Oneida show*

oh snap http://www.songkick.com/artists/261418-oneida

I missed the boat on them for a long time too, and found a way in through first the song "Run Through My Hair", then that 10th-anniversary comp they gave away. After that I was hooked.

new EP out on Rocket Recordings

http://rocketrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/positions

Want. But $20 shipping...

So want. The $45 all-in price tag to Canada is effin rough, tho.

Bingo. Would gladly buy @ a merch table, though. Crosses fingers.

Accidentally ordered a couple copies anyhow. I guess at this point if kid millions was selling his owl figurines at sotheby's I'd be like "what the fuck anyhow, who needs to eat, I'll just put Antibiotics on loop and stare at these hypnotic owls til I starve to death."

NEW FULL-LENGTH:
https://www.joyfulnoiserecordings.com/products/romance

and track:
https://youtu.be/yUwywyqvNkA

DAMN.

To our friends and fans:
Oneida drummer Kid Millions is in the hospital in Los Angeles following a serious car crash. He is expected to make a full recovery but will be unable to play for some time. (1/3)

— Oneida (@oneida_official) March 2, 2018

yikes, glad that it's not much worse ... one of the very best drummers out there ... there's a tune on the new one that features some unbelievable playing.

in better news, just got wind of this:

CHARNEL GROUND is a meeting of Chris Brokaw (Come/Codeine/The New Year etc). on electric guitar, James McNew (Yo La Tengo, Dump) on bass, and Kid Millions (Oneida/Man Forever/etc) on drums, dedicated to exploring the outer and inner regions of instrumental rock music. 'Charnel Ground' was recorded in Brooklyn NY in 2016, and informed and dedicated to pivotal transitions.

https://soundcloud.com/gerardcosloy/charnel-ground-the-high-price

yeesh

the one time i saw oneida live, kid millions was sick, and they had two replacement drummers, because they said that's how many drummers they needed to replace him

Damn, hope he has a speedy recovery. :(

Had dinner with him once when a friend was involved in an early Man Forever piece (the one with the 1/2 hour long single-stroke roll, which was great), just a super nice and genuine dude.

last year's man forever record has some great stuff on it — the Laurie Anderson collab is unreal.

oh no!!!!
kid millions!!! he is total monster drummer and i love his collaborations with other people, he has a generous spirit. get well soon colpitts!!

One of my favorite (secret) ILX posters of all-time. He's doing okay btw.

wait
wut

I've... said too much... never mind! ;-)

i come in peace
just got excited there for a second. he is a person i would really enjoy having a conversation with and maybe i already have!

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