does anyone still like Belle and Sebastian?

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i haven't listened to these guys in 3 years, at least, ever since that disappointing 'fold your hands' record came out. so today i found some mp3's of 'if you're feeling sinister'.... and you know what? they're good. but i could reconstruct the songs almost perfectly in my head at this point, such was the frequency that i listened to this in 1999.....

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

tigermilk is my favorite.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I do like B&S rather a lot. And I liked Fold Your Hands. Don't Leave The Light On Baby is one of the best things wot they ever done...

It's just that their best stuff is never the stuff on the albums. Lazy Line Painter Jane, Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie, Photo Jenny, I'm Waking Up To Us, Slow Grafitti... s'all good. Mostly.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

aren't they recording with Trevor Horn? can anyone confirm/deny?

steve k (http://go.to/stevek) (stevek10), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yup.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

mostly good, but when they regularly started shedding members, you knew the bad shit was coming. Fold Your Hands Child was the turning point - I'll never trust them again after that execrable unlistenable tripe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The quality of Belle and Sebastian's output without a doubt began to deteriorate over the years. Fold Your Hands doesn't hold a candle to Boy With the Arab Strap, which in turn pales in comparison to Sinister. Plus, they began letting that other guy sing, which was a big mistake. One of the reasons Sinister is comparatively so great is that Stuart Murdoch handles the vocal duties.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, while band-democracy might be nicer in theory, I think the music invariably suffered as soon as Stuart abdicated a more central/dictatorial songwriting position. No one else in the band can write songs for shit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Exactly. That other guy's off-key, low-register drone seemed totally at odds with the rest of the group's style. I mean, if you want to write and play songs that aren't as good as Stuart Murdoch's, go join Looper.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like some of their stuff, especially "It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career."
But I think they suffer from Paulsimonitis -- you know, they just NEVER turn up the volume.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the last time i listened to them was this summer and it was quite pleasant

i suspect in another month or two it'll be time for the yearly listen

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What Jess said. The last album is not exactly atrocious, but I sold it on the basis of not wanting to have anything as limp as "The Wrong Girl" in my collection.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The last track has a nice almost-Tamla/Motown shuffle to it. They are a really limited band, it's a music of small pleasures I suppose.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yes, as soon as it gets a little warmer it'll be the perfect weather for a few plays a given week: slightly overcast, not terribly oppressive, breezy.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What Jess said. The last album is not exactly atrocious, but I sold it on the basis of not wanting to have anything as limp as "The Wrong Girl" in my collection.

maybe extend that sentiment to not wanting to own ANYTHING by a band that wrote "Seymour Stein"... some B&S stuff just goes way beyond dire.

The Tigermilk CD and another CDR with half album tracks and half b-sides is all you need.

Aaron A., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you are all twatmunks - Seymour Stein and The Wrong Girl are both G*R*A*T*E songs.

I still like Belle & Sebastian. I have a lot of fondness for the Storytelling album and listen to it a lot. It is not a very B&S-y record, though.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I still like stuff from the first three albums and EPs, but I never thought they were all that though. I still think they're best release was the Legal Man single.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and I really need to proofread my posts. "their".

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"The Wrong Girl"--it's totally anemic! "Seymour Stein" is awful too. They're like baseline totally-uninspired indie pop. But if you like it, I have some Le Mans records to sell you!

I like the more eccentric synth stylings on Tigermilk best, but again, I'm not very passionate about them.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i like "the wrong girl", but third/fourth the shitstorm named "seymour stein", a song that turned me off stevie jackson permanently.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This thread is getting me to thinking I should sell my B&S records altogether.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I still like the older albums a lot, more than the recent output, but for some reason whenever I think of them now I hear the keyboard and strings from "Don't Leave the Light On Baby". I think that was one of their better moments..

Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

please do it!

your belle and sebastian records (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My first exposure to Belle and Sebastian was "Legal Man". That song made me want to go back in time and smack the 60s.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Amateurist in totally not getting it shockah! Although I'm not the person to explain it, Pinefox or JtN to thread, or other eloquent sinisterines.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This makes me wonder... on all those 'songs you AND NO-ONE ELSE likes' threads, did I ever mention Beyond The Sunrise... even the B&S luvvahs tend to want to stick a big ugly knife into it, but I think it's quite lovely.

And I like Stevie Jackson's voice as well. Chickfactor is great.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

OK, it's resolved.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ha i bet i know what resolved it.

in their weaker moments, belle and sebastian make me lament the death of nick drake in the same way that puddle of mudd and staind make me lament the death of kurt cobain.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i need a powerful cocktail of hard drugs to get me through this stuff.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haha i know, i'm a dick

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(Note: I don't like B&S.)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

EVEN HSTENCIL LIKES A B&S SONG!!!!!

*runs for cover*

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My like is fading

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

How Wagnerian.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hstencil likes a B&S song?? How can this be.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if I've listened to them in over a year and a half. I know that I have confined the B&S cd's I own to the wardrobe. Their second album was good, the others weren't, and I liked the EP's they released.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I blame hstencil for liking belle and sebastian.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

he likes "century of fakers".

next time: me, hstencil, and shakey mo will karaoke it over "century of elvis".

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

belle and sebastian!!
-- mark s (mar...), March 23rd, 2003.

(the above 's from the ile what-are-you-listening-to-today thread, though as to whether mark s did dig 'em or not... go figure)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Waiting until the next album before writing them off. The soundtrack was deleted as MP3S!! The album bored me so much that it did not make it too CDR. The first two are classics. The last two albums were so-so. So here's hoping.

Samson, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

great singles, dodgy albums

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and somehow i still own everything they've done

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hstencil is such a wus at heart. ;-)

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm pro-B&S though I find that they've been offering diminishing returns ever since The Boy With The Arab Strap. Even still, they still have some good songs on their weaker releases, like "Women's Realm" from their Fold Your Hands LP. I very seldom listen to the band, but I do enjoy the songs I like a lot when I hear them. Their best songs are great pop music, and I'm always a sucker for that.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

On the subject of Stevie Jackson - though I'm not a huge fan of his songs, I don't mind him nearly as much as I do the contributions of Isobel, Sarah, or the Looper guy. I like Isobel as a back up singer for Stuart Murdoch, but as a lead vocalist/songwriter, she's almost unbearable.

The absolute worst B&S song is the duet that Isobel and Stevie sing on Fold Your Hands...I think it's called "Before The Sunrise". That song is painfully bad, I often think of it as being one of the worst songs I've ever paid to own a copy of.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

gygax! is right: I do like "Century of Fakers." You can burn the rest, tho.

hstencil, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

*head explodes*

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

c'mon, I'd mentioned that before!

hstencil, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

htweencil

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

NO!!! Certainly not!!! I couldn't possibly think their new album is the best thing they've done since they did things folks who post on messageboards weren't too falsely superior to listen to!!! A baldfaced lie, that!

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 22 June 2006 00:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Dress Up In You" reminds me of The Silence of the Lambs.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Thursday, 22 June 2006 01:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't see that particular comparison... I think it's a lot more restrained and measured than, say, Costello's "I Want You" (which does sound legitimately disturbing to me). In any event, it's probably my favorite song of the year so far, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the album as a whole ended up no. 1 for me this year either. (It certainly would've done so had it been released in '05... but '05 was a dismal year in general.)

As for Dear Catastrophe Waitress, I found I liked it a lot more after I got into the habit of starting it on Track 3. (Occasionally Track 2, but this is more out of a misguided sense of completism than anything else.)

Also opposed to this smashing plan -- Eno takes Pimm's bars by strategy.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"If I could have a second skin, I'd probably dress up in you" - Buffalo Bill

Nevermind.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I got it Marmot 4-Tay, even before the expalanation.

I did not smash up the Pimms Bar, as it was probably the most pleasant spot on the site, apart from the mingling cacophonies.

The Strokes were so RUBBISH!

The Raconteurs were so RUBBISH!

I liked Super Furry Animals, but their big top was full up. I would like to go and see them properly one day.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 22 June 2006 06:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The new album made them more interesting than they've been in a long time, but I can't help thinking that it may be time for them to reform with a different name since seeing Belle and Sebastian on the album made me exponentially less likely to listen to it.
(And still, it is only an OK album...)

js (honestengine), Thursday, 22 June 2006 07:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The BBC Sessions album est arrive.

Mark G, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

disc 1
1. State I Am In
2. Like Dylan In The Movies
3. Judy And The Dream Of Horses
4. Stars Of Track And Field
5. I Could Be Dreaming
6. Seymour Stein
7. Lazy Jane
8. Sleep The Clock Around
9. Slow Graffiti
10. Wrong Love
11. Shoot The Sexual Athlete
12. Magic Of A Kind Word
13. Nothing In The Silence
14. My Girl's Got Miraculous Technique
disc 2
1. Here Comes The Sun [live in Belfast]
2. There's Too Much Love [live in Belfast]
3. Magic Of A Kind Word [live in Belfast]
4. Me And The Major [live in Belfast]
5. Wandering Alone [live in Belfast]
6. Model [live in Belfast]
7. I'm Waiting For The Man [live in Belfast]
8. Boy With The Arab Strap [live in Belfast]
9. Wrong Girl [live in Belfast]
10. Dirty Dream 2 [live in Belfast]
11. Boys Are Back In Town [live in Belfast]
12. Legal Man [live in Belfast]

Mark G, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

Often referred to as the 'greatest Scottish band ever', Belle & Sebastian have enjoyed critical success throughout their career. Currently on hiatus - with no plans to record any new material in the near future - the band present 'The BBC Sessions', which features tracks from the time of their formation in 1996 right up until 2001. The sessions also contain the group's last recordings with departed cellist Isobel Campbell.

Mark G, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

ohhhh god yes more tracks with isobel pleeeeeeeease

psychgawsple, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

I still love everything prior to that last album which I hate.

akm, Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's silly

keythkeyth, Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Stopping at 01 means a distinct lack of them doing "The 12 Days of Christmas" on Peel in December 02. Lame.

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Often referred to as the 'greatest Scottish band ever',

ok what

ban or astroban? (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like B&S aiight

ban or astroban? (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

Often referred to as what? By whom? Christ, these people's egos know no bounds.

Still: on hiatus, eh? Small mercies.

NOW WITH ADDED CAPS (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

The 50 Best Scottish Bands Of All Time (as voted for by the public) are as follows:

Belle & Sebastian
Travis
Idlewild
Wet Wet Wet
Sensational Alex Harvey Band
Simple Minds
Teenage Fanclub
Bay City Rollers
Primal Scream
The Proclaimers
Texas
Mull historical society
Big country
Snow Patrol
Franz Ferdinand
Bis
Deacon Blue
Fish
Jesus and Mary Chain
Mogwai
Runrig
Trash Can Sinatras
Del Amitri
Orange Juice
Nazareth
Beta Band
Biffy Clyro
Altered Images
Aztec Camera
Eddi Reader
Goodbye Mr Mackenzie
Fire Engines
Delgados
Arab strap
Vaselines
Associates
The Pastels
Eurythmics
Aereogramme
Blue Nile
Boards of Canada
Rezillos
Incredible string band
Cocteau twins
Dogs Die in Hot Cars
Spare Snare
Average White Band
Lulu
Skids
Shamen

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Aereogramme

lol 2004

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'd still consider voting Aereogramme now.

NOW WITH ADDED CAPS (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Where was that from, anyway?

NOW WITH ADDED CAPS (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

The List/King Tuts' Wah Wah Club/Orange joint promotion, 2005.

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

I dunno, who are meant to "canonically" be the best Scottish band ever then? Because, Sensational Alex Harvey Band aside, I probably _would_ vote for B&S.

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Er, dunno. Just not B&S, that's all ;)

NOW WITH ADDED CAPS (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Actually, Yatsura were great as well. I'll vote for them. They would have been better if they were from Camden though.

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

well it's clearly spare snare

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

I still love everything prior to that last album which I hate.

This is straight up madness, as The Life Pursuit was pretty much the only thing by B&S worth hearing since If You're Feeling Sinister.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 9 November 2008 23:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

The Life Pursuit was pretty much the only thing by B&S worth hearing since If You're Feeling Sinister.

you just aren't down with that orchestral pop, THATs the true madness. it's beautiful, imo

psychgawsple, Monday, 10 November 2008 00:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

The blurb was from the HMV website, folks.

Mark G, Monday, 10 November 2008 00:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Often referred to as the 'greatest Scottish band ever',

You could remove the word "Scottish" from there and you'd get no argument from me.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 10 November 2008 01:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

wit & sebastian

ban or astroban? (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 10 November 2008 01:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

it just strikes me as kind of ummmmmm that a band as derivative as Belle & Sebastian would be championed as the best specimen of anything

ban or astroban? (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 10 November 2008 01:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

is there anyone ever who didnt like If You're Feeling Sinister?

Kevin Keller, Monday, 10 November 2008 01:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes kevin, there are many people in this world who don't like that album

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 10 November 2008 01:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

Probably most people, if you could play it for every person in the world.

funky president (call all destroyer), Monday, 10 November 2008 01:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's a good point

Kevin Keller, Monday, 10 November 2008 01:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

That list of the best Scottish band upthread is a peyle of shyte, fer fooks sake. No BMX Bandits, no cred.

Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Monday, 10 November 2008 01:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

surely most people would like the eps more than sinister

psychgawsple, Monday, 10 November 2008 01:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

or the life pursuit

psychgawsple, Monday, 10 November 2008 01:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Actually, I've found the best B&S album to play to someone whose never heard them is Dear Catastrophe Waitress.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 10 November 2008 01:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's because Dear Catastrophe Waitress is easily their very best album. (ducks & runs..)

Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Monday, 10 November 2008 04:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is straight up madness, as The Life Pursuit was pretty much the only thing by B&S worth hearing since If You're Feeling Sinister.

― Johnny Fever,

you are deaf

akm, Monday, 10 November 2008 06:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

^^^ werd

psychgawsple, Monday, 10 November 2008 06:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

whenever i'm in a record shop in glasgow and they're playing some unspeakable shite over the sound system, it always turns out to be belle and sebastian

Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 November 2008 07:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

I saw a review this morning, seemed to suggest that the christmas session was an extra on CD2..

Mark G, Thursday, 13 November 2008 08:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh, I see what they've done...

The Belfast show was a christmas gig.

Mark G, Thursday, 13 November 2008 08:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Their b-sides and EP collections feature their best work. Hooking up with Trevor Horn was a bad idea in the long run, but where else would they have taken their sound? Oh well, still have the early music.

Cunga, Thursday, 13 November 2008 08:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Such a great live band. The audience is getting older and surlier though. Someone threw spitballs at me for standing & dancing when they played at a seated concert hall in Toronto last year :(

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:20 (six years ago) Permalink

the youtube that I posted is strangely amazing btw

call me king bubbles and sound like a sheik sheik (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:38 (six years ago) Permalink

I can't stop watching it

call me king bubbles and sound like a sheik sheik (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:44 (six years ago) Permalink


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