crap debut, went on to greatness!

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i'm thinking radiohead and blur, here...any more suggestions?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Blur's debut is great! The UK one at least...

Negativland, Talk Talk, the Flaming Lips, New Order, Happy Mondays, Funkadelic, the Replacements, Primal Scream, Moby, Husker Du, Wilco

Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link


Happy Monday's first album was great!

Beastie Boys
Prince
Mobb Deep
The The

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

MBV

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

well, partial greatness anyway.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually quite like Leisure by Blur, actually. Hell, it's a fuckuva lot better than, say, The Great Escape.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

evan writes:
new order

their first single "ceremony" is the best thing they ever did.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Funkadelic
Oh NO. NO. "Music For My Mother", damn it! Andandandandand "I Got a Thing, You Got a Thing, Everybody's Got A Thing"! And the six-minute version of "I'll Bet You"! C'mon nickalicious, back me up here!

The Replacements
Augh! (*cry*)

On the other hand, I can't figure out a single solitary band to nominate for this choice, except maybe Lifter Puller -- and even "crap" Lifter Puller's better than many other '90s alt-rock bands' peak moments.

Gatinha: Licensed to Ill or Polly Wog Stew?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Pollywog Stew was really an e.p., if you want to split hairs.

Ministry's With Sympathy might count here, but I actually quite like it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

For "Revenge" alone (you did it a-GANE!), I won't hear any early Ministry bashing. it's way better than anything I've heard from Filth Pig on.

Urge Overkill totally qualifies.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Prince

Oh GOD yes!!!!

Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f543/f54308s23i1.jpg, perhaps?

OleM (OleM), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

definitely. their 80s stuff makes the thompson twins look like genius.

Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I really have to disagree with Travis. Their entire canon is bland Byrds rip offs. And that is pretty bland. I would have to say Tricky! ; - )

S Samson, Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link


Licensed to Ill. The other one was techbnically an EP, and I've never heard it.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link


I was never very keen on the first TWO Human League albums, but loads of other people are, and they really only made one album which was great and sold loads, though it might hurt me to say it..

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Tori.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I was never very keen on the first TWO Human League albums, but loads of other people are, and they really only made one album which was great and sold loads, though it might hurt me to say it..

In the response to the Tori vote..I thought that was the only good one!

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf100/f142/f14281cdmsg.jpg

Also, Guided By Voices had like three or four bad first albums.

Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link


Oh right, I'd forgot about that, apologies world (DOH!)

Mind you, I've never actually heard it. Has anyone?

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre900/e979/e97955e0dvk.jpg

Not a terrible start, but very derivative of other New York no-wave and nowhere near as great as (insert your favorite Sonic Youth album here).

Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Tori and Sonic Youth went on to greatness?? NO!!!!

Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

David Bowie

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

husker du

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Faith No More

Ministry

Big Black

mei (mei), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

the first Travis album is a lot better than the other two.

I think Yo La Tengo's debut is a bit crap. I also vote for Flaming Lips.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Licensed to Ill, though not representative of what their career would become is still, doubtless, an absolute gem.

That Girl (thatgirl), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link


I still don't think 'girls to do the dishes' etc is their proudest moment.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link

definitely. their 80s stuff makes the thompson twins look like genius.

Thompson Twins were genius. :-)

...which makes "A Product Of" from 1981 a contender btw....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Plus Moody Blues' "Go Now" album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Blur's first record! OK, I admit that it's not very good, but still, I love it. My Bloody Valentine's first record is rubbitch. You are not The Cramps. Now please discover your tremolo arm and cease this goth nonsense. And I'm going to get lynched for this, but Primal Scream's first record is pretty poor compared to their later wonderment. Shut up, you don't have to say anything, I know that no one will agree with me.

kate (suzy), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I would also say "Leisure" was quite nice. A bit patchy, maybe, but it did contain no less than three truly ace singles.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link


Why has nobody mentioned the Stone Roses?

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Why has nobody mentioned the Stone Roses?

Well, personally I don't consider that 1985 U2-wannabe EP an "album". :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

nirvana. *hums 'you can hate me now'*

Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 23 March 2003 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, that picture on Tori's album is easily the greatest thing she's ever done and I actually like Tori Amos! Holy shit!

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

CATHOLIC EDUCATION is Awesome..are you high (a better question might be...are you NOT high) as is the FIRST sonic youth...is Fuck Pussy Galore and All her Friend's Unrest's first?..(it wasn't Malcom X Park???) I sold it a long time ago, it's a compilation of different things, right? It's VERY spotty...I elect the Notwist...Im not much of a fan, I remember owning the "grunge" record and now they seemed to achieve a certain level of "greatness"

ddb, Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Led Zeppelin
Underworld
The Frogs

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link


Underwhat?R U crazy?

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Urge Overkill totally qualifies.

You mean "Strange, I" or "Jesus Urge Overkill"? Both those records, while containing some filler, are pretty damn relentless.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, "Jesus Urge Superstar". Gatinha, have you too many good memories spend uuuuun-dah-neath the radaaaaaah?

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link


dubnobheadwithmybassheadman was a classic elpee. It's their new album that sucks. Apparently the young hipster fellow with the record decks and the happy tablets buggered orf, leaving them mid-40s and bereft.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link

DB, are you really dismissing "Dazed and Confused", "How Many More Times?", "Good Times Bad Times", and "Communication Breakdown"? Some days I think it's the best LZ album.

Rush and Radiohead are the only examples I can think of where I think the artist has done great work and I also see virtually no value in their debut. On a tangential note, The Bends has been growing on me in a weird way in that I keep hearing it places and liking it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

db,

lz and frogs = you need new speakers.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Y Kant Tori Read is actually kinda good. Hair-metal Kate Bush, etc.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Zep and Frogs is just wrong.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Pablo Honey is not only Radiohead's worst album, but one of the worst albums of all time. I am so glad I never heard it before I got into them.

(Sundar, there are 8 good-great songs on The Bends, and 4 fairly mediocre ones, and the album is best listened to with that in mind)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Honestly, I find Homework to be the dullest albums I've ever bought and Discovery the most sonically lush. Homework: few melodies, plodding 4/4 tempos, very little else (around the world is nice though); discovery: loads of nice melodies, danceable choons, loads of nods to other styles, great songs.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 24 March 2003 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i've re-listened to it recently and I gotta say that apart from 2-3 standout tracks 'Yo! bum rush the show' is pretty tedious..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The s/t Unwound album was recorded first and came out after "Fake Train" and it is pretty crappy.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"I actually quite like Leisure by Blur, actually. Hell, it's a fuckuva lot better than, say, The Great Escape."

Sacrilege! You're choosing a semi-melodic, instantly forgettable baggy album over THE sharpest set of 90's pop songs! I will defend that album to the grave!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I will defend that album to the grave!

You go right ahead with that. In fact, I'm going to go home tonight, put on Leisure at a ill-advisedly high volume, open a bottle of beer and use The Great Escape as a coaster.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Nabokov.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 March 2003 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

"Leisure" and "The Great Escape" are both excellent albums. If you are going to use a Blur album as a coaster, then use "13", or wait for their forthcoming, probably crap, R&B-influenced album and use that one as a coaster.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 24 March 2003 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"You go right ahead with that. In fact, I'm going to go home tonight, put on Leisure at a ill-advisedly high volume, open a bottle of beer and use The Great Escape as a coaster."

I would scold you further, but the fact that you have no "great Escape" in your life is punishment enough!


weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The Great Escape is incredibly over-produced and half of the songs are just lame pieces of pop trash that speak of overconfidence and lazy writing. There are some standout tracks on it: The Universal, Best Days, He Thought Of Cars. That's about it.
Leisure has some depth and speaks of a dedicated band trying to fulfill some ambitions. It may not be that great, but at least it is not so forced and shamefully poppy as the Great Escape. I'd prefer Leisure.
But Blur's masterpieces are without any doubt Modern Life Is Rubbish and Parklife. I can understand if some would vote for the nameless album. But the Great Escape? Naaaahhhh!!!

Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"it is not so forced and shamefully poppy as the Great Escape"

what on earth is shameful about being poppy?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Aaliyah.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

NWA

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Poppy isn't shameful by definition, but the poppiness of their Great Escape pop songs is a shameful type of poppiness, judging by the standards they set for themselves with their previous albums.

Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Great Escape" doesn't differ that much from "Parklife" musically. The only differences being that "The Great Escape" adds an influence from late 70s/early 80s Madness/Specials ska and slightly more synths.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree the Great Escape is not a huge step away from its predecessor. But I can't see Madness/Specials in it. Many songs sound so effortless that maybe you might mistake them for two-tone inspired songs. Mind that I do not think of it as a terrible album, it's just far less good than MLIR and Parklife but I still won't ever think of selling my copy.
The album just disappointed me, I had heard an early live version of Country House which was superb, and then the produced version was so much of a forced pop-song, it didn't do it justice. Thanks to the overproduction about all of the potential emotion in the songs got lost on the album, save for the ones I mentioned earlier.

Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

But I can't see Madness/Specials in it

Listen to any early to mid-period Madness song, watch its video. Then listen to "Country House" and look at the video for it.

Then...

Listen to the "More Specials" album, particularly "Stereotype". Then, listen to "Fade Away".

Then...

Listen to any Fun Boy Three single
Then, listen to "T.O.P. M.A.N."

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Point understood!

Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Public Enemy's Yo Bumrush The Show was pretty near the low end of rap even at the time it came out.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

Surely Prince is the best example of this? The guy would later make records like Chaos and Disorder, which although not an essential Prince LP is still fairly enjoyable and has its highlights. For You provides little indication of the brilliant music that was to follow, and is probably one of his least enjoyable LP's.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 1 July 2017 21:45 (three years ago) link

or the 1975?

joshywinty (josh), Sunday, 2 July 2017 00:30 (three years ago) link

Hawkwind. The debut album is not good. In Search of Space through Warrior on the Edge of Time, though...

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 2 July 2017 01:12 (three years ago) link

some of these may just be me:

japan
nomeansno
cop shoot cop
bad religion
the waterboys
coil (Transparent)
swans (s/t EP, not Filth obv.)
kraftwerk (sorry, just don't like the traffic cones)

StanM, Sunday, 2 July 2017 03:59 (three years ago) link

David Sylvian dismisses the first Japan LP and reckons the second album should have been their debut, but I disagree... I think that the first album is great and the second LP not so much.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:51 (three years ago) link

or the 1975?

― joshywinty (josh), Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:30 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah, they don't count because they never went onto greatness and they're crap full stop.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:52 (three years ago) link

The Divine Comedy

heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 2 July 2017 12:17 (three years ago) link

These New Puritans's debut is rubbish, Hidden is interesting but flawed, but they definitely achieved greatness with Field of Reeds

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 2 July 2017 12:28 (three years ago) link

I will rep for the Prince debut...haven't got the time now... but I WILL rep for it...also the 'Adolescent Sex' is genius...they just can't see it

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:00 (three years ago) link

Motorpsycho is kind of the quintessential example of this, if we're including stuff like Prince that is. Who could have known...

frogbs, Monday, 3 July 2017 03:37 (three years ago) link

first Afghan Whigs is pretty terrible.

campreverb, Monday, 3 July 2017 04:21 (three years ago) link

Bob Dylan

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Monday, 3 July 2017 22:25 (three years ago) link

I like all of Japan's albums.

Austin, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 01:14 (three years ago) link

I like 'em all too, but think the second one is the weakest.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:45 (three years ago) link

Since the thread includes some of the greatest artists of contemporary music with a huge catalogue, obviously there will always be someone who loves the more obscure stuff.
It's the distance and evolution between the debut - no matter how good it is - and the peak of the artist in question that seems more interesting to me.
In that regard, Dylan, the Stones or Prince would be perfect examples. Stevie Wonder even more imo : I mean, from "The Jazz Soul Of Little Stevie" to "Songs In The Key Of Life" !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:59 (three years ago) link

The first Prince album is underrated if anything.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 13:51 (three years ago) link

Yeah listening now this is fantastic r&b

Title track opens the album a lot like "Our Prayer/Gee" does Smile by the Beach Boys, like the doo wop/gospel version

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 14:14 (three years ago) link

Judas Priest.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 14:18 (three years ago) link

arguably : M. Jackson - from Got To Be There to OFW/Thriller.
GTBT is good though so again, it's not so much about the debut being crap but about it being far from the following peak.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 14:24 (three years ago) link

I guess there's a few examples of artists on Motown coming into their own when they've been allowed to express themselves creatively.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:52 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Does anyone stan for Springsteen's debut? I adore the man, hate that debut album, though.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:28 (three years ago) link

Carly Rae Jepsen

MarkoP, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:57 (three years ago) link

xpost yep hi I love the debut

spirit of the night, blinded by the light, lost in the flood, hard to be a saint in the city... besides the highlight tracks, just the general folky Bruce, yknow, the Van Morrison/Bob Dylan idol worship & megawordy young & antsy vibe is really enjoyable for me

i'll stan for it forever

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 04:43 (three years ago) link

Same. Lots of good to be found on the first Springsteen album.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 05:21 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

^yeah, figured I was in the minority about The Boss. I much prefer his economy-of-words approach to his latter-day lyric writing.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Saturday, 23 September 2017 23:01 (three years ago) link

Simple Minds (before becoming crap again)

palko, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:27 (three years ago) link

warren zevon wanted dead or alive

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:35 (three years ago) link

(UK) Squeeze

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:12 (three years ago) link

Yo la Tengo

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:36 (three years ago) link

Chairlift, who went crap again

Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:52 (three years ago) link

I love the Latin Van Morrison feel of Greetings From Astbury Park. & the amount of words adds to the cadence.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:58 (three years ago) link

a lot of people (not necessarily me) would classify Lana Del Rey here

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:05 (three years ago) link


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