Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

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Is 'Rumours' the 'OK Computer' for the 'Whisperin' Bob Harris generation or would you rather 'jack'... than Fleetwood Mac?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like OLD Fleetwood Mac - when they made R&B (rhythm & blues, not Rap & Bullshit!). Prior to THAT WOMAN's arrival.

Kodanshi, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Old Fleetwood Mac def a classic (in Greatest Hits LP form anyway - probably not in the full albums, like most British Blues): Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Shake Your Money Maker, etc and especially 'Love that burns' (i think that's the title). New Fleetwood Mac still surprisingly listenable - Rumours, Mirage, Tusk etc are worth the charity shop 50p.

m jemmeson, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the set-up. And now:

Yes, Rumours *is* the OK Computer of its time. Therefore . . . dud.

[Kidding aside, I find both to be decent records, if not exactly "classics."]

Nitsuh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I luvvvvv Tusk - well, mainly the Lindsey Buckingham stuff. I will confess to enjoying the Nicks ballads on it as well - they fit nicely. I'm sorry, I know Stevie Nicks represents everything I hate (witchy unicorn crap), but it just has this desert feel to it that works for me.

Rumours I don't really care about, since I've been familiar with that one from childhood and I get nothing fresh from it.

Kerry Keane, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'Rumors' is a soft rock classic... a really thought out, ruling album. They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band. Here is California, Rumors is one of the Great California albums... like the first Doors, Hotel California, etc... showing the darkness beneath the palm trees. And when I was in 3rd grade, there was NOBODY like Stevie Nicks, with a silver coke straw up her ass... (and that legend was recently confirmed to me.)

Andy, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Big guilty pleasure - two of the singles off Stevie Nicks' second solo alb, "If Anyone Falls" and the amazing "Stand Back" - can anyone tell me if they were both written by Prince? That's what I heard, anyway.

tarden, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.

mark s, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Old blooze F.M.: dud

New F.M.: Spaced-out California cokehead popmasters: Classic to almost rival ABBA. 'Fleetwood Mac' is okay, but 'Rumours' and esp. 'Tusk' are utterly brilliant, and the come-back album is underrated. Stevie Nicks = amazing pixie with one strange voice.

Omar, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic music, dud people.

chris, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You cain't like pop songmanship without liking Rumours and most of the Fleetwood Mac and Tusk albums.

"Think About Me" from Tusk and "Never Going Back Again" in addition to most of the hits (especially the ones by Christine and Lindsey) are muchos yummy.

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Can somebody explain to me why Rumours is the O.K. Computer of the seventies? As I recall, and I really need to listen to the album again to confirm this, there were NO animals tied to stakes driven into frozen winter shit on Rumours. Or was Stevie the pig on antibiotics?

Seriously, was Rumours "ground-breaking?" Please explain. Is this comparison, between Radiohead und Fleety Mac, what you humans call "sarcasm?" Rumours sounds like standard 60s-70s pop production to me. Sure is a good record, though. Tusk was a little wierd...

Or are we saying that Okay, Computer!! isn't groundbreakin? Maybe that's what we're saying. By saying "we" I don't know who I'm referring to. What was the question?

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Tarden, I admit it, too - I love "Stand Back," and I stole my mom's old 45 copy of it. I am serious about this, though: if you are fortunate enough to own it on 45, slow it down to 33 RPM and tell me Stevie doesn't sound eerily like Mick Jagger. I shit you not. As soon as I become technologically adept, I plan on burning an mp3 of it and becoming famous for my discovery (which I've already patented, so don't even think about it).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Warning: ILM turning into www.mojo_q_uncut.co.uk. Really, maybe we can pass a rule that states that every question must mention: R*d**h**d, The B**tl*s or Brian bloody W*ls*n?

- Daft Punk: which robot is the John Lennon?

- Mingus' 'Ah-hum': the 'Ok Computer' of jazz?

- Orpheus: the Brian Wilson of ancient Greece? Oh and search & destroy his underrated post-Hades phase!

Omar, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
REVIVE! I wanna talk about ver 'Mac.

No mention of their godlike rhythm section? Tsk. Lindsey is a god of production and a brilliant fingerpicking guitarist. Mirage and Tango In The Night are often overlooked and really pretty good records, although not quite up to the Rumours/Tusk standard. Forget the stuff post-Lindsey, some of it is alright but not classic in the least. The version of the band that featured none of Stevie/Lindsey/Christine is just embarrassing.

Having recently listened to their Greatest Hits recently, I was quite struck by the fact that my favourite Mac songs are Stevie's. "Sara" is phenomenal.

Classic. Oh yes.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty good. I don't know if it was groundbreaking, but "Rumors" at least had a pretty disinctive sound to it. I wish I had missed the Clinton inaugural fiasco, though.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Actually this is my test band. If someone doesn't like Rumours Tusk or the S/T one, out he/she goes. :-)

nathalie, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band.

I suppose the Blue Oyster Cult was somewhat gentler than Black Sabbath or AC/DC but this still seems like a bizarre characterization of their music.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well it works if all the BOC you ever heard is "Don't Fear The Reaper", & that's prob the case for most ppl...

, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult

This occurred to me tonight, when I was listening to "I'm So Afraid" (which I've decided is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song... see my top 100 singles list). The mid-to-late '70s Fleetwood Mac had this great moody quasi-metal stoner-goth impulse that reared its head every so often. You mostly hear it in the Stevie songs, but Lindsey had it in him too. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 10:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I would say quite dud. And that goes for both the AOR era and the Peter Green-years. There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Their early years showed them to be a wonderfrul blues/throwback act with both humor and class. Maybe not a substantial enough offering to be considered classic, but i like it.

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

---ABut, you can't really compare the early years with their more popular 70s/80s era (which, of course, i don't particularly care for).

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

"The Green Manalishi"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.
Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

The only AOR album Genesis released during the 70s was "And Then There Were Three". Which was a better album than anything Fleetwood Mac did, so you're right anyway. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Firth of Fifth" is AOR, Geir. "Supper's Ready (edit)" is too.

Hey what's the one Geir that starts out "Up on the forest road, there's hundreds of cars and they're luxury cars!! Each has got a load of convertible bars, cutlery scars, and superstars!! 'Cause tonite is the night when they sort it out sort it out, because they can't seem to agree on their gerrymandered boundaries? There's Salamander Slim with his whiskey and gin, whiskey and gin...and Big-Assed Rocker Ted, he's touched in the head, touched in the head? 'Cause tonite they gonna sort it out, sort it out, yes they're finding ways to agree on a boundary?" I may have gotten a few words wrong but I'm working from memory here--it's really a good song.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Someone recently sent me the DVD Audio version of Rumours and it was so tinny it hurt my freakin' ears. What's even better, because I was blasting it to check out the sound quality of a computer sound card I was testing, I was able to irritate all the people around me: the guy who works next to me has near-violent reactions when he hears Rumours, having been forced to listen to it repeatedly earlier in his life.

Jim is right: Mirage is totally underrated. I used to love that album.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Man of the world -classic
rest-dud

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 20 March 2003 19:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is the Buckingham Nicks LP any good?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I love Fleetwood Mac. Classic, definitely. Landslide is a beautiful song. A cocaine FM classic and a heartbreaker.

Is Spiritualised - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space a Rumours for the 90s?

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no it isn't. unless kate radley wrote lots of songs about how much of a crap partner jason pierce was

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like Tusk a lot. I like how Buckingham takes what are essentially radio-ready singles and fucks with the mix so that one part (say the drums in "What Makes You Think You're the One") dominates more than is typically acceptable on the radio. Like the arrangements reveal all the hidden impulses of '70s AOR.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thye classic thing about Rumours is not just the songs, which are good, but the gut-wrenching, awful, almost horrifying sound of bile spewing out of a severed duct at the end of a relationship. It's one of the bitterest albums ever, and therefore one of the greatest break-up albums, if not the breakup album.

It also works as kind of a moral lesson about the excess. When you're in a rock band, and you get so coked up every night that you start to think that fucking your band members is a good idea, even when they're married to other band members, these are the feelings you end up with.

Classic. Very.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funny this thread got revived because I've been thinking I may need to investigate that middle period a bit more (the Bob Welch era in between the blues stuff and the Buckingham Nicks era). I've had Bare Trees for a while and quite like it. It's been on my mental list of records I want to relisten to but I just haven't gotten to it yet. So the other night I downloaded "Hypnotized" from this album Mystery to Me and it just KILLS. I wonder if there are other little Welch gems buried on some of those forgotten records.

I love the Peter Green era so much. Green is so much better a blues guitarist than Clapton it's not even funny. And I actually sort of like Clapton! He's just such a ripoff artist though, and you never get the sense he really feels any of it, save for Layla. Whereas we know Green was a troubled soul, and it really comes through in his music. Like he really needed to play the blues, maaaan.

But just the whole presentation is great, the hardcore blues covers (with that very good McVie Fleetwood rhythm section), the fabulous Green originals, Jeremy Spencer's sense of humor and SPOT-ON Elmore James rips (though a little definitely goes a long way), Danny Kirwan's shy introspective stuff.

The record that nailed it for me is Shrine '69. I swear it is one of the best live albums ever. It's just really taut and the setlist is great and the playing is flawless. You get the whole show - around 45 minutes - and it's just right. They were the opening band that night, and they just go out and rip through their tunes and it's a fun listen. Peter Green's playing and singing on the version of Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" is tremendous.

I better stop but of course Then Play On is great as is the BBC Sessions, which has a bunch of things that weren't recorded elsewhere (and a great version of "Rattlesnake Shake").

Oh yeah, Buckingham Nicks era is pretty rad as well.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, why can't I stop using that pesky word "great" all the time? NEW WORDS PLEASE.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Second on Shrine '69.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hm. I'd never read the AMG for that. What is with that Richie Unterberger guy anyway? What the heck is his deal? Does he hate "fun"?

The worst thing for him is that I would be sort of interested in reading his books, but the writing of his I've read elsewhere has totally put me off.

Anyway, good on ya Kenan for digging that disc.

Also, I was sort of thinking: Isn't it weird that there is like thirtysomething replies to a thread about one of the weirdest (with the coming-and-going-of-different-personnel, the radical sound shifts), longest running, most "IMPORTANT" (certainly best-selling) groups around? Where are all the pop fans? Or is it all too maybe obvious.

Anyway a fascinating band.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Little Lies is amazing. Talk about baroque. There are so many moving parts, and still so much space. And the fragility gets smashed on every chorus with that absurd WHONNG synth stab.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yes this is absolutely why I love Little Lies.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second their having a god-like rhythm section. Mick Fleetwood may be the most underrated drummer ever.

Burr (Burr), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic classic classic classic classic. I was all prepared to hate or at least dislike them when I finally sat down and listened to _Tusk_, and it completely blindsided me. I also highly recommend _Then Play On_--incredibly dark bitter late-night stuff inspired by the spirit rather than the form of electric blues.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
RUMOURS IS THE GREATEST LP EVER RELEASED. FLEETWOOD MAC IS THE GREATEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!! STOP DISSING ON THEM!!!!
NIKAYLA~

Nikayla Crews, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

why do random googlers always assume we're dissing things? and who the fuck in their right mind would diss fleetwood mac anyway?

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and why does massive cocaine abuse MAKE YOU UNABLE TO FIND THE CAPS LOCK KEY?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not much dissing on this thread, honey... For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.
-- mark s (mar...), July 3rd, 2001.

Yes hahah well Lindsey B is an androgynous punk god (just check the photos in the Tusk CD booklet - next to the other four he looks like he's wandered in from the Blitz Club). Stevie N is a hippy through and through but only an inadvertent punk goddess, which usually are the best ones.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lindsey's punk-godhood seconded! Recently found the live double lp from 1980 and the inside photos in the gatefold album sleeve are worth the price alone. Everyone else sports either a beard or feather-cut soft-focus hippie hair while LB's all skinny, jacket-wearing, staring wired-up...

Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Those photos are highly disturbing. Haven't owned a copy of that album in a while, but LB's contact lenses are highly visible if I remember correctly. "What the fuck is up with his eyes? Oh.. I see."

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

The freak-out sounds very proto-postpunk to my ears! At least until the more bluesy part toward the end of it. I can imagine JD or The Sound making something similar...

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac without a doubt have more energy on stage STILL!!!! than any of the new acts around, they keep the speed of the songs up without a breath, or a brick in the wall...

Even in the recording studio they can still write songs
that are fresh and up-lifting, Still years left in them yet.

Only The Kinks are equal to the LIVE! performance
you will see on the Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will World Tour.


ROCK ON... THE Mac

James Knight Miller, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not though

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:58 (one month ago) Permalink

I read in a recent interview w/Campbell that he had to learn 60-something songs for the tour, so I imagine they'll rotate the obscurities and deep cuts some. I mean, that's kind of party for the course w/most legacy acts of their stature.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 October 2018 14:25 (one month ago) Permalink

"Par For The Course" obvs.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 October 2018 14:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Actually, it's not! FM absolutely not famous for shaking things up, afaict.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 October 2018 14:31 (one month ago) Permalink

13. "Hypnotized" (from Mystery to Me, 1973, Finn on vocals)

oh good i was actually hoping for something like this to happen

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 5, 2018 6:42 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bringing back Bob stuff w/Finn on vox would be so crucial

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 October 2018 14:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Or Kirwan stuff! I can hear a version of "Woman of 1000 Years" in my head with Stevie harmonies, but that's probably way too obscuro.

Freddy "Boom Boom" QAnon (Dan Peterson), Friday, 5 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

AMAZING set by Lindsey today/tonight in SF... "Never Going Back Again" laced with extra venom due to obvious recent events.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 6 October 2018 04:06 (one month ago) Permalink

This is the only vid so far, I'll try to post more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKts8Zs32w

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 6 October 2018 05:06 (one month ago) Permalink

Kinda weird they are doing Bob Welch stuff given the way the band treated him in his later years

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:22 (one month ago) Permalink

I seem to recall in a recent-ish Fleetwood interview that he was sorry now for what went down between Welch and the band (but mainly Fleetwood) and it was all due to the litigation going on between the two camps that any of that happened in the first place. Nicks and C. McVie seem to be pretty pro-Welch when the subject arises.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:28 (one month ago) Permalink

pretty sad

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 October 2018 08:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess this also means a Buckingham/Nicks reissue really isn't happening.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 October 2018 08:49 (one month ago) Permalink

hey, if bridges are being burned, why not burn all the bridges? sounds like Stevie and Lindsey are having a diva-off.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Wah, I’m a millionaire rock star

calstars, Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:44 (one month ago) Permalink

tbf sounds like Lindsey wanted to spend money on making records that nobody was going to buy, and Stevie wanted to skip releasing records in favor of touring, which makes more money. the former tortured artist, the latter boomer rockstar. explains why that last Almost Fleetwood Mac record became a Christine McVie and Lindsey Buckingham record.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

sounds like Lindsey wanted to spend money on making records that nobody was going to buy, and Stevie wanted to skip releasing records in favor of touring

that's no doubt all true, but i think the message "Stevie never wants to be on a stage with you again" suggests the issue is much, much deeper than that (and certainly feeds into the general perception that he's not the world's nicest human).

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 October 2018 21:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I wonder if Nicks (and her "people") saw the success that other bands (Eagles & Steely Dan come to mind) have had still doing big shows minus key members, and figured it could work for FM too.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 October 2018 21:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Or she got tired of hanging out with that asshole night after night

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2018 22:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Dang Irving Azoff is still in the mix?

(Well, yeah)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 11 October 2018 22:31 (one month ago) Permalink

that stereogum article on getty images is dumb. I seriously doubt Buckingham or anyone in the band deals with that shit. That's management stuff.

akm, Friday, 12 October 2018 01:38 (one month ago) Permalink

whoever wrote that knows that. they were making an extended (for too long, granted) joke.

alpine static, Friday, 12 October 2018 06:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Don’t think bands of this size and longevity really hang out between shows so not sure whether clashing personalities really matter at this point.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 12 October 2018 07:05 (one month ago) Permalink

Well obviously they do or else Buckingham wouldn't have got fired.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 12 October 2018 07:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Buckingham in that article says he lives across the street from John!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 October 2018 11:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Give me a new Buckingham album over hearing Stevie Nicks sing live every day of the week.

DavidLeeRoth, Friday, 12 October 2018 13:07 (one month ago) Permalink

stevie was good on American Horror Story this week.

akm, Friday, 12 October 2018 13:12 (one month ago) Permalink

There must have been more to the Buckingham rant than people are letting on, because being fired for "smirking" seems incredibly extreme.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 12 October 2018 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

If I were Christine or Nicks, enduring the smirk for forty years would trigger me too.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 October 2018 13:27 (one month ago) Permalink

there can be an album made and released last year by a major record label (such as that designation means much) entirely comprised of songs written and performed by Lindsey and Christine, and the rhythm section on the whole thing is McVie/Fleetwood. But you can't say that project is made by Fleetwood Mac, evidently. Christine and Lindsey toured this record, without John or Mick, but this would suggest that the four can get along reasonably (did anybody here see any of these shows? Seems to me Stevie is the asshole here…abetted by noted asshole Irving Azoff.

someone in a comment above last year said w/r/t to Stevie's contention that you can't make a records for jillions of $$$ anymore because fewer consumers buys them, belies the fact that there is no ironclad rule that Fleetwood Mac simply must spend that kind of $$$ on a recording. zillionaire musicians can record because they want to and that is what they do, and thus adjust their methods for the present climnate. or they can not.

veronica moser, Friday, 12 October 2018 13:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Thank you! Also, the Mac audience would buy a physical album in Target.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 October 2018 13:56 (one month ago) Permalink

xp OTM

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 12 October 2018 14:10 (one month ago) Permalink

did anybody here see any of these shows?

saw it in LA and it played out very much like a lindsey solo show with christine as a special guest. her stage presence was what you might describe as reluctant. his stage presence was very "hello LA! let me tell you a story!" my wish that 1 or 2 other LA residents might pop in for a song or two went unfulfilled.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:10 (one month ago) Permalink

i loved the lindsey/christine show i saw. every song sounded so lush

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 12 October 2018 14:21 (one month ago) Permalink

the Mac audience would buy a physical album in Target.

Exactly! They have a broad fanbase that still loves spending money on them: they buy CDs, vinyl, merch, concert tickets etc.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 October 2018 14:27 (one month ago) Permalink

It's hilarious that they make a big deal about recording costs when I am sure most of them have a studio in their house.

earlnash, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:03 (one month ago) Permalink

The issue is almost certainly that Stevie is so used to recording for a long time in expensive studios that she can only conceive of / for status’ sake tolerate working that way. (And plausibly doesn’t want to spend that much time talking to Buckingham.)

The other four are obviously able to get an album recorded somewhere, and Fleetwood has recorded two albumsworth of material in Neil Finn’s house in the last two years. (The house’s studio is a full-scale publicly hireable dealie, but still.)

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:16 (one month ago) Permalink

The Buckingham/McVie album is a throwback to their imperial phase and Nicks must be mad not to be involved in that. Sure if it had been a full Fleetwood Mac album it would have done even better commercially.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Fuck Stevie! Bring back Bekka and Dave mason! there are exactly 3 weirdos on earth who have been pining for that lineup since 97!

veronica moser, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Nicks must be mad not to be involved in that

she didn't want to be!

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

the shitty thing is that not only Stevie thinks that its not Mac without her, but a constellation of biz people do too. Would somewhat clueless fans buy an album branded as Mac at Target, notice she wasn't on it and be pissed off?

veronica moser, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:43 (one month ago) Permalink

there are nine good-to-classic albums pre-Lindsey and Stevie that i think a lot of fans barely know exist, unfortunately.

omar little, Friday, 12 October 2018 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Gotta admit, I'm one of those. As I think I said on the classic albums thread, I'd call myself a fan now but I've never heard any pre-Buckingham Mac.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 12 October 2018 17:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Then Play On is one of the great late 60s hard rock/blues records

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 October 2018 17:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Future Games and especially Bare Trees are wonderful albums from the Welch era.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 12 October 2018 17:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Every Lindsey solo album is excellent FWIW. The three from the 00's might be his best solo work ever.

DavidLeeRoth, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:03 (one month ago) Permalink

cosign Then Play On, that's a weird and rocking blues album

niels, Friday, 12 October 2018 21:53 (one month ago) Permalink

I love every Lindsey record, especially Out of the Cradle on. Seen him live a few times and rocked.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 October 2018 22:07 (one month ago) Permalink


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