Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

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Is 'Rumours' the 'OK Computer' for the 'Whisperin' Bob Harris generation or would you rather 'jack'... than Fleetwood Mac?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like OLD Fleetwood Mac - when they made R&B (rhythm & blues, not Rap & Bullshit!). Prior to THAT WOMAN's arrival.

Kodanshi, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Old Fleetwood Mac def a classic (in Greatest Hits LP form anyway - probably not in the full albums, like most British Blues): Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Shake Your Money Maker, etc and especially 'Love that burns' (i think that's the title). New Fleetwood Mac still surprisingly listenable - Rumours, Mirage, Tusk etc are worth the charity shop 50p.

m jemmeson, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the set-up. And now:

Yes, Rumours *is* the OK Computer of its time. Therefore . . . dud.

[Kidding aside, I find both to be decent records, if not exactly "classics."]

Nitsuh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I luvvvvv Tusk - well, mainly the Lindsey Buckingham stuff. I will confess to enjoying the Nicks ballads on it as well - they fit nicely. I'm sorry, I know Stevie Nicks represents everything I hate (witchy unicorn crap), but it just has this desert feel to it that works for me.

Rumours I don't really care about, since I've been familiar with that one from childhood and I get nothing fresh from it.

Kerry Keane, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'Rumors' is a soft rock classic... a really thought out, ruling album. They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band. Here is California, Rumors is one of the Great California albums... like the first Doors, Hotel California, etc... showing the darkness beneath the palm trees. And when I was in 3rd grade, there was NOBODY like Stevie Nicks, with a silver coke straw up her ass... (and that legend was recently confirmed to me.)

Andy, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Big guilty pleasure - two of the singles off Stevie Nicks' second solo alb, "If Anyone Falls" and the amazing "Stand Back" - can anyone tell me if they were both written by Prince? That's what I heard, anyway.

tarden, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.

mark s, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Old blooze F.M.: dud

New F.M.: Spaced-out California cokehead popmasters: Classic to almost rival ABBA. 'Fleetwood Mac' is okay, but 'Rumours' and esp. 'Tusk' are utterly brilliant, and the come-back album is underrated. Stevie Nicks = amazing pixie with one strange voice.

Omar, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic music, dud people.

chris, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You cain't like pop songmanship without liking Rumours and most of the Fleetwood Mac and Tusk albums.

"Think About Me" from Tusk and "Never Going Back Again" in addition to most of the hits (especially the ones by Christine and Lindsey) are muchos yummy.

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Can somebody explain to me why Rumours is the O.K. Computer of the seventies? As I recall, and I really need to listen to the album again to confirm this, there were NO animals tied to stakes driven into frozen winter shit on Rumours. Or was Stevie the pig on antibiotics?

Seriously, was Rumours "ground-breaking?" Please explain. Is this comparison, between Radiohead und Fleety Mac, what you humans call "sarcasm?" Rumours sounds like standard 60s-70s pop production to me. Sure is a good record, though. Tusk was a little wierd...

Or are we saying that Okay, Computer!! isn't groundbreakin? Maybe that's what we're saying. By saying "we" I don't know who I'm referring to. What was the question?

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Tarden, I admit it, too - I love "Stand Back," and I stole my mom's old 45 copy of it. I am serious about this, though: if you are fortunate enough to own it on 45, slow it down to 33 RPM and tell me Stevie doesn't sound eerily like Mick Jagger. I shit you not. As soon as I become technologically adept, I plan on burning an mp3 of it and becoming famous for my discovery (which I've already patented, so don't even think about it).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Warning: ILM turning into www.mojo_q_uncut.co.uk. Really, maybe we can pass a rule that states that every question must mention: R*d**h**d, The B**tl*s or Brian bloody W*ls*n?

- Daft Punk: which robot is the John Lennon?

- Mingus' 'Ah-hum': the 'Ok Computer' of jazz?

- Orpheus: the Brian Wilson of ancient Greece? Oh and search & destroy his underrated post-Hades phase!

Omar, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
REVIVE! I wanna talk about ver 'Mac.

No mention of their godlike rhythm section? Tsk. Lindsey is a god of production and a brilliant fingerpicking guitarist. Mirage and Tango In The Night are often overlooked and really pretty good records, although not quite up to the Rumours/Tusk standard. Forget the stuff post-Lindsey, some of it is alright but not classic in the least. The version of the band that featured none of Stevie/Lindsey/Christine is just embarrassing.

Having recently listened to their Greatest Hits recently, I was quite struck by the fact that my favourite Mac songs are Stevie's. "Sara" is phenomenal.

Classic. Oh yes.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty good. I don't know if it was groundbreaking, but "Rumors" at least had a pretty disinctive sound to it. I wish I had missed the Clinton inaugural fiasco, though.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Actually this is my test band. If someone doesn't like Rumours Tusk or the S/T one, out he/she goes. :-)

nathalie, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band.

I suppose the Blue Oyster Cult was somewhat gentler than Black Sabbath or AC/DC but this still seems like a bizarre characterization of their music.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well it works if all the BOC you ever heard is "Don't Fear The Reaper", & that's prob the case for most ppl...

, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult

This occurred to me tonight, when I was listening to "I'm So Afraid" (which I've decided is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song... see my top 100 singles list). The mid-to-late '70s Fleetwood Mac had this great moody quasi-metal stoner-goth impulse that reared its head every so often. You mostly hear it in the Stevie songs, but Lindsey had it in him too. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 10:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I would say quite dud. And that goes for both the AOR era and the Peter Green-years. There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Their early years showed them to be a wonderfrul blues/throwback act with both humor and class. Maybe not a substantial enough offering to be considered classic, but i like it.

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

---ABut, you can't really compare the early years with their more popular 70s/80s era (which, of course, i don't particularly care for).

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

"The Green Manalishi"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.
Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

The only AOR album Genesis released during the 70s was "And Then There Were Three". Which was a better album than anything Fleetwood Mac did, so you're right anyway. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Firth of Fifth" is AOR, Geir. "Supper's Ready (edit)" is too.

Hey what's the one Geir that starts out "Up on the forest road, there's hundreds of cars and they're luxury cars!! Each has got a load of convertible bars, cutlery scars, and superstars!! 'Cause tonite is the night when they sort it out sort it out, because they can't seem to agree on their gerrymandered boundaries? There's Salamander Slim with his whiskey and gin, whiskey and gin...and Big-Assed Rocker Ted, he's touched in the head, touched in the head? 'Cause tonite they gonna sort it out, sort it out, yes they're finding ways to agree on a boundary?" I may have gotten a few words wrong but I'm working from memory here--it's really a good song.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Someone recently sent me the DVD Audio version of Rumours and it was so tinny it hurt my freakin' ears. What's even better, because I was blasting it to check out the sound quality of a computer sound card I was testing, I was able to irritate all the people around me: the guy who works next to me has near-violent reactions when he hears Rumours, having been forced to listen to it repeatedly earlier in his life.

Jim is right: Mirage is totally underrated. I used to love that album.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Man of the world -classic
rest-dud

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 20 March 2003 19:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is the Buckingham Nicks LP any good?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I love Fleetwood Mac. Classic, definitely. Landslide is a beautiful song. A cocaine FM classic and a heartbreaker.

Is Spiritualised - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space a Rumours for the 90s?

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no it isn't. unless kate radley wrote lots of songs about how much of a crap partner jason pierce was

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like Tusk a lot. I like how Buckingham takes what are essentially radio-ready singles and fucks with the mix so that one part (say the drums in "What Makes You Think You're the One") dominates more than is typically acceptable on the radio. Like the arrangements reveal all the hidden impulses of '70s AOR.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thye classic thing about Rumours is not just the songs, which are good, but the gut-wrenching, awful, almost horrifying sound of bile spewing out of a severed duct at the end of a relationship. It's one of the bitterest albums ever, and therefore one of the greatest break-up albums, if not the breakup album.

It also works as kind of a moral lesson about the excess. When you're in a rock band, and you get so coked up every night that you start to think that fucking your band members is a good idea, even when they're married to other band members, these are the feelings you end up with.

Classic. Very.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funny this thread got revived because I've been thinking I may need to investigate that middle period a bit more (the Bob Welch era in between the blues stuff and the Buckingham Nicks era). I've had Bare Trees for a while and quite like it. It's been on my mental list of records I want to relisten to but I just haven't gotten to it yet. So the other night I downloaded "Hypnotized" from this album Mystery to Me and it just KILLS. I wonder if there are other little Welch gems buried on some of those forgotten records.

I love the Peter Green era so much. Green is so much better a blues guitarist than Clapton it's not even funny. And I actually sort of like Clapton! He's just such a ripoff artist though, and you never get the sense he really feels any of it, save for Layla. Whereas we know Green was a troubled soul, and it really comes through in his music. Like he really needed to play the blues, maaaan.

But just the whole presentation is great, the hardcore blues covers (with that very good McVie Fleetwood rhythm section), the fabulous Green originals, Jeremy Spencer's sense of humor and SPOT-ON Elmore James rips (though a little definitely goes a long way), Danny Kirwan's shy introspective stuff.

The record that nailed it for me is Shrine '69. I swear it is one of the best live albums ever. It's just really taut and the setlist is great and the playing is flawless. You get the whole show - around 45 minutes - and it's just right. They were the opening band that night, and they just go out and rip through their tunes and it's a fun listen. Peter Green's playing and singing on the version of Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" is tremendous.

I better stop but of course Then Play On is great as is the BBC Sessions, which has a bunch of things that weren't recorded elsewhere (and a great version of "Rattlesnake Shake").

Oh yeah, Buckingham Nicks era is pretty rad as well.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, why can't I stop using that pesky word "great" all the time? NEW WORDS PLEASE.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Second on Shrine '69.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hm. I'd never read the AMG for that. What is with that Richie Unterberger guy anyway? What the heck is his deal? Does he hate "fun"?

The worst thing for him is that I would be sort of interested in reading his books, but the writing of his I've read elsewhere has totally put me off.

Anyway, good on ya Kenan for digging that disc.

Also, I was sort of thinking: Isn't it weird that there is like thirtysomething replies to a thread about one of the weirdest (with the coming-and-going-of-different-personnel, the radical sound shifts), longest running, most "IMPORTANT" (certainly best-selling) groups around? Where are all the pop fans? Or is it all too maybe obvious.

Anyway a fascinating band.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Little Lies is amazing. Talk about baroque. There are so many moving parts, and still so much space. And the fragility gets smashed on every chorus with that absurd WHONNG synth stab.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yes this is absolutely why I love Little Lies.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second their having a god-like rhythm section. Mick Fleetwood may be the most underrated drummer ever.

Burr (Burr), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic classic classic classic classic. I was all prepared to hate or at least dislike them when I finally sat down and listened to _Tusk_, and it completely blindsided me. I also highly recommend _Then Play On_--incredibly dark bitter late-night stuff inspired by the spirit rather than the form of electric blues.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
RUMOURS IS THE GREATEST LP EVER RELEASED. FLEETWOOD MAC IS THE GREATEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!! STOP DISSING ON THEM!!!!
NIKAYLA~

Nikayla Crews, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

why do random googlers always assume we're dissing things? and who the fuck in their right mind would diss fleetwood mac anyway?

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and why does massive cocaine abuse MAKE YOU UNABLE TO FIND THE CAPS LOCK KEY?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not much dissing on this thread, honey... For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.
-- mark s (mar...), July 3rd, 2001.

Yes hahah well Lindsey B is an androgynous punk god (just check the photos in the Tusk CD booklet - next to the other four he looks like he's wandered in from the Blitz Club). Stevie N is a hippy through and through but only an inadvertent punk goddess, which usually are the best ones.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lindsey's punk-godhood seconded! Recently found the live double lp from 1980 and the inside photos in the gatefold album sleeve are worth the price alone. Everyone else sports either a beard or feather-cut soft-focus hippie hair while LB's all skinny, jacket-wearing, staring wired-up...

Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Those photos are highly disturbing. Haven't owned a copy of that album in a while, but LB's contact lenses are highly visible if I remember correctly. "What the fuck is up with his eyes? Oh.. I see."

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

The freak-out sounds very proto-postpunk to my ears! At least until the more bluesy part toward the end of it. I can imagine JD or The Sound making something similar...

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac without a doubt have more energy on stage STILL!!!! than any of the new acts around, they keep the speed of the songs up without a breath, or a brick in the wall...

Even in the recording studio they can still write songs
that are fresh and up-lifting, Still years left in them yet.

Only The Kinks are equal to the LIVE! performance
you will see on the Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will World Tour.


ROCK ON... THE Mac

James Knight Miller, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sic *knows* the things he knows

i wasn't exactly expecting that to include the historical record of kiwis' tours of north america, but nor am i surprised

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:28 (three months ago) Permalink

I only *knew* Josh was talking nonsense, even I was surprised when I looked it up

҉ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:42 (three months ago) Permalink

I did correct myself to say that I meant solo tours, where he plays his solo material. Not Pajama Club, not Crowded House, not Finn Brothers. Stuff from his solo albums.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Only fixating because of all the Finn shows I've seen - CH, Brothers - his solo shows have been my fave. Especially when Lisa Germano was in the band.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:06 (three months ago) Permalink

"I'm unlikely to buy concert tickets to go see them do "Second Hand News""

I have to assume they won't be playing any primarily Lindsey written material on this tour. Maybe they will but that seems like it would be weird.

akm, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:01 (three months ago) Permalink

also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"

akm, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:03 (three months ago) Permalink

They should get Tim Finn to replace Stevie and knuckle down and make a record.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:29 (three months ago) Permalink

Would totally love Finn Brothers with the FM rhythm section.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:50 (three months ago) Permalink

Who did he hit this time?


also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"


It’s not rumored – Ken Caillat describes Lindsey hitting a girlfriend in some detail in his book during the making of Rumours. Carol Harris, his girlfriend in the 80s who he was with during the making of Go Insane, talks about being abused as well in her book tho I haven’t read it. And, there are stories about him hitting Stevie as well.

But that’s a good point. If the band thought a woman was going to come forward, perhaps timed to coincide with them going on tour, maybe he or the band thought that perhaps it just wasn’t worth it.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:58 (three months ago) Permalink

I read her book and it's graphic – even the part where Harris describes applying makeup to Buck before an Elvis Costello show.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Dare I ask what that entails?

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:14 (three months ago) Permalink

eyeliner!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:18 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah I went back and googled and some of this stuff is in Gold Dust Woman (the Stevie bio that was published in November). So I wouldn't be surprised if the band thought it best to head that off before a tour brouht it up again; or, like I said, maybe Stevie just said 'him or me' and they made the sound financial choice.

akm, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:34 (three months ago) Permalink

Hopefully the Eagles organization will follow the Mac's lead and fire Don He...I couldn't even complete that sentence.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:40 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Someone is not taking it lying down.

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Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Buckingham mcvie album is alright but if I wasn’t a Mac fan not sure I would care much for it

Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Well, yeah.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Occurred to me that this all could be a(nother) passive aggressive battle between Buckingham and Nicks. Buckingham/McVie album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album, but Nicks said she was too busy with her own projects to participate. So along comes another Mac tour, and I can totally imagine Buckingham saying, you know what? I'm busy now, too. Try back later. And they called him on his bluff (by calling in ringers).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Oooo

Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:45 (two months ago) Permalink

I seriously wonder how many Fleetwood Mac fans have no idea any of this is happening. There are millions of them, and many of them are probably not internet savvy. So quite a lot, I bet. Some of them might even think Mike Campbell and/or Neil Finn are Lindsey Buckingham!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:46 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh josh it’s a lot. I bring up the Mac tour to randos and they’re like “what happened”

Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Some of them might even think Mike Campbell and/or Neil Finn are Lindsey Buckingham!

My sister was excited at having tickets to see them three years ago because "it's the original line-up!"

chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:04 (two months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Danny Kirwan died today, apparently.

akm, Saturday, 9 June 2018 03:44 (one month ago) Permalink

from his FB fan page:

DANNY KIRWAN OUR SWEET ANGEL HAS DIED With a heavy heart broken in pieces it appears that i am the only administrator up or available at this hour in America and so i had to confirm the saddest news that some of you have been asking about: yes the news is true. I HAVE NO WORDS: DANNY WAS & IS THE VERY HEART of the success that became Fleetwood Mac everything is owed to Danny but for now i'd like to focus on the human being , the man, the heart and the soul that was/ is our Danny: please wait for my post i'm falling apart a little here

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 9 June 2018 05:06 (one month ago) Permalink

RIP, oft overlooked Fleetwood Mac linchpin.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 June 2018 12:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Have any of the obits stated how or where he had been living? Wasn't he missing for a while, and/or homeless? I remember reading about Mick tracking him down and quietly helping to pay for his care/rehabilitation, a la Syd Barrett.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 June 2018 13:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Kirwin was such a great player, RIP

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Spinning Bare Trees on vinyl--I can understand why it didn't happen for them then, but it's still kind of crazy that the band weren't bigger than they were at that time. Kirwan and Welch really clicked as guitar players, real superb layered harmony licks that carry the tunes.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 June 2018 01:03 (one month ago) Permalink

a band with three Syd barretts… I watched a Peter Green BBC doc a few years ago: Green is still a many bricks shy a load, but Spencer seems to be completely fine, barring still being involved in the Family of God… "hey I just a had a few bad trips and then spent the rest of my life in a cult that valorizes sex with children as God's will! Ain't no big thing!" also weird how Spencer refused to contribute to Green's songs in any significant way, whereas Green and Kirwan played on his shit…can't think of another example where one member consistently refuses to contribute to other's songs

Kirwan is the only one of the three that never got his life back together…

veronica moser, Monday, 11 June 2018 02:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac left a real train of wreckage behind it....what a beautiful player he was and lost soul. :(

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2018 14:52 (one month ago) Permalink

RIP. This is one of the best songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQ07_22YA0

J. Sam, Monday, 11 June 2018 15:06 (one month ago) Permalink

Do we know what his state was the past few years? Did he really never get it back together? Genuine bummer.

omar little, Monday, 11 June 2018 15:06 (one month ago) Permalink

a band with three Syd barretts… I watched a Peter Green BBC doc a few years ago: Green is still a many bricks shy a load, but Spencer seems to be completely fine, barring still being involved in the Family of God… "hey I just a had a few bad trips and then spent the rest of my life in a cult that valorizes sex with children as God's will! Ain't no big thing!" also weird how Spencer refused to contribute to Green's songs in any significant way, whereas Green and Kirwan played on his shit…can't think of another example where one member consistently refuses to contribute to other's songs

Kirwan is the only one of the three that never got his life back together…

― veronica moser

i don't know if it's only three... bob welch did kill himself, right?

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:13 (one month ago) Permalink

yep

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:21 (one month ago) Permalink

he had some pretty serious health complications though iirc

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:22 (one month ago) Permalink

this is a nice slow burner, assuming the great lead break at 3:36 is kirwin since he wrote the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vMqep1lC0

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:29 (one month ago) Permalink

spencer's sha na na 50s pastiche bullshit kinda fucks up the album for me but it's still got a lot of good stuff

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Welch actually seemed pretty stable, all accounts I've read of his suicide lead me to believe it was due to the aforementioned (physical) health issues

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 11 June 2018 15:42 (one month ago) Permalink

He was really into aliens.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:47 (one month ago) Permalink

sha na na 50s pastiche bullshit

Aw man, this hurts me. True, they make for a disjointed listening experience, but I love almost all of Spencer's cuts (I'm not so hot on the cover of "Mission Bell.")

Anyway, RIP Mr. Kirwan. I'm sure I mentioned on another thread, "Sunny Side of Heaven" was the first song I ever learned to pick on a guitar.

even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Monday, 11 June 2018 16:48 (one month ago) Permalink

i just read about this, RIP.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 02:15 (one month ago) Permalink

this is a really nice solo song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN6M5hWU_5U

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:26 (one month ago) Permalink

HEY TOUGH GUY, DO YOU PREFER RUMOURS *kisses left bicep* OR TUSK *kisses right bicep*

— zachary (@ingmarbirdman) September 6, 2013

flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:33 (one month ago) Permalink

was in a record store in wichita on sunday that had three of kirwan's solo albums for a couple of dollars each. should i regret not picking them up?

Stanley Therapy (stevie), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:05 (one month ago) Permalink

RIP DANNY

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:12 (one month ago) Permalink

XP Probably, if they weren't too scratched up. He only did three, they didn't sell well, and have been barely been available on CD.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:28 (one month ago) Permalink

I haven't actually heard them, but from what I read the first two are pretty good.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:29 (one month ago) Permalink

i grew up on kiln house, i got nothing bad to say about it

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:30 (one month ago) Permalink

did we ever discuss how beautiful the alternate That's Alright is? https://open.spotify.com/track/6CU4BzfHvcuaYtoKyP9xI6

niels, Monday, 18 June 2018 14:25 (one month ago) Permalink


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