Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

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Is 'Rumours' the 'OK Computer' for the 'Whisperin' Bob Harris generation or would you rather 'jack'... than Fleetwood Mac?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like OLD Fleetwood Mac - when they made R&B (rhythm & blues, not Rap & Bullshit!). Prior to THAT WOMAN's arrival.

Kodanshi, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Old Fleetwood Mac def a classic (in Greatest Hits LP form anyway - probably not in the full albums, like most British Blues): Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Shake Your Money Maker, etc and especially 'Love that burns' (i think that's the title). New Fleetwood Mac still surprisingly listenable - Rumours, Mirage, Tusk etc are worth the charity shop 50p.

m jemmeson, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the set-up. And now:

Yes, Rumours *is* the OK Computer of its time. Therefore . . . dud.

[Kidding aside, I find both to be decent records, if not exactly "classics."]

Nitsuh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I luvvvvv Tusk - well, mainly the Lindsey Buckingham stuff. I will confess to enjoying the Nicks ballads on it as well - they fit nicely. I'm sorry, I know Stevie Nicks represents everything I hate (witchy unicorn crap), but it just has this desert feel to it that works for me.

Rumours I don't really care about, since I've been familiar with that one from childhood and I get nothing fresh from it.

Kerry Keane, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Rumors' is a soft rock classic... a really thought out, ruling album. They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band. Here is California, Rumors is one of the Great California albums... like the first Doors, Hotel California, etc... showing the darkness beneath the palm trees. And when I was in 3rd grade, there was NOBODY like Stevie Nicks, with a silver coke straw up her ass... (and that legend was recently confirmed to me.)

Andy, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Big guilty pleasure - two of the singles off Stevie Nicks' second solo alb, "If Anyone Falls" and the amazing "Stand Back" - can anyone tell me if they were both written by Prince? That's what I heard, anyway.

tarden, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.

mark s, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Old blooze F.M.: dud

New F.M.: Spaced-out California cokehead popmasters: Classic to almost rival ABBA. 'Fleetwood Mac' is okay, but 'Rumours' and esp. 'Tusk' are utterly brilliant, and the come-back album is underrated. Stevie Nicks = amazing pixie with one strange voice.

Omar, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic music, dud people.

chris, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

You cain't like pop songmanship without liking Rumours and most of the Fleetwood Mac and Tusk albums.

"Think About Me" from Tusk and "Never Going Back Again" in addition to most of the hits (especially the ones by Christine and Lindsey) are muchos yummy.

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Can somebody explain to me why Rumours is the O.K. Computer of the seventies? As I recall, and I really need to listen to the album again to confirm this, there were NO animals tied to stakes driven into frozen winter shit on Rumours. Or was Stevie the pig on antibiotics?

Seriously, was Rumours "ground-breaking?" Please explain. Is this comparison, between Radiohead und Fleety Mac, what you humans call "sarcasm?" Rumours sounds like standard 60s-70s pop production to me. Sure is a good record, though. Tusk was a little wierd...

Or are we saying that Okay, Computer!! isn't groundbreakin? Maybe that's what we're saying. By saying "we" I don't know who I'm referring to. What was the question?

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Tarden, I admit it, too - I love "Stand Back," and I stole my mom's old 45 copy of it. I am serious about this, though: if you are fortunate enough to own it on 45, slow it down to 33 RPM and tell me Stevie doesn't sound eerily like Mick Jagger. I shit you not. As soon as I become technologically adept, I plan on burning an mp3 of it and becoming famous for my discovery (which I've already patented, so don't even think about it).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Warning: ILM turning into www.mojo_q_uncut.co.uk. Really, maybe we can pass a rule that states that every question must mention: R*d**h**d, The B**tl*s or Brian bloody W*ls*n?

- Daft Punk: which robot is the John Lennon?

- Mingus' 'Ah-hum': the 'Ok Computer' of jazz?

- Orpheus: the Brian Wilson of ancient Greece? Oh and search & destroy his underrated post-Hades phase!

Omar, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
REVIVE! I wanna talk about ver 'Mac.

No mention of their godlike rhythm section? Tsk. Lindsey is a god of production and a brilliant fingerpicking guitarist. Mirage and Tango In The Night are often overlooked and really pretty good records, although not quite up to the Rumours/Tusk standard. Forget the stuff post-Lindsey, some of it is alright but not classic in the least. The version of the band that featured none of Stevie/Lindsey/Christine is just embarrassing.

Having recently listened to their Greatest Hits recently, I was quite struck by the fact that my favourite Mac songs are Stevie's. "Sara" is phenomenal.

Classic. Oh yes.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty good. I don't know if it was groundbreaking, but "Rumors" at least had a pretty disinctive sound to it. I wish I had missed the Clinton inaugural fiasco, though.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Actually this is my test band. If someone doesn't like Rumours Tusk or the S/T one, out he/she goes. :-)

nathalie, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band.

I suppose the Blue Oyster Cult was somewhat gentler than Black Sabbath or AC/DC but this still seems like a bizarre characterization of their music.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well it works if all the BOC you ever heard is "Don't Fear The Reaper", & that's prob the case for most ppl...

, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult

This occurred to me tonight, when I was listening to "I'm So Afraid" (which I've decided is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song... see my top 100 singles list). The mid-to-late '70s Fleetwood Mac had this great moody quasi-metal stoner-goth impulse that reared its head every so often. You mostly hear it in the Stevie songs, but Lindsey had it in him too. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 10:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I would say quite dud. And that goes for both the AOR era and the Peter Green-years. There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Their early years showed them to be a wonderfrul blues/throwback act with both humor and class. Maybe not a substantial enough offering to be considered classic, but i like it.

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

---ABut, you can't really compare the early years with their more popular 70s/80s era (which, of course, i don't particularly care for).

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

"The Green Manalishi"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.
Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

The only AOR album Genesis released during the 70s was "And Then There Were Three". Which was a better album than anything Fleetwood Mac did, so you're right anyway. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Firth of Fifth" is AOR, Geir. "Supper's Ready (edit)" is too.

Hey what's the one Geir that starts out "Up on the forest road, there's hundreds of cars and they're luxury cars!! Each has got a load of convertible bars, cutlery scars, and superstars!! 'Cause tonite is the night when they sort it out sort it out, because they can't seem to agree on their gerrymandered boundaries? There's Salamander Slim with his whiskey and gin, whiskey and gin...and Big-Assed Rocker Ted, he's touched in the head, touched in the head? 'Cause tonite they gonna sort it out, sort it out, yes they're finding ways to agree on a boundary?" I may have gotten a few words wrong but I'm working from memory here--it's really a good song.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Someone recently sent me the DVD Audio version of Rumours and it was so tinny it hurt my freakin' ears. What's even better, because I was blasting it to check out the sound quality of a computer sound card I was testing, I was able to irritate all the people around me: the guy who works next to me has near-violent reactions when he hears Rumours, having been forced to listen to it repeatedly earlier in his life.

Jim is right: Mirage is totally underrated. I used to love that album.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Man of the world -classic
rest-dud

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 20 March 2003 19:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is the Buckingham Nicks LP any good?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I love Fleetwood Mac. Classic, definitely. Landslide is a beautiful song. A cocaine FM classic and a heartbreaker.

Is Spiritualised - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space a Rumours for the 90s?

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no it isn't. unless kate radley wrote lots of songs about how much of a crap partner jason pierce was

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like Tusk a lot. I like how Buckingham takes what are essentially radio-ready singles and fucks with the mix so that one part (say the drums in "What Makes You Think You're the One") dominates more than is typically acceptable on the radio. Like the arrangements reveal all the hidden impulses of '70s AOR.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thye classic thing about Rumours is not just the songs, which are good, but the gut-wrenching, awful, almost horrifying sound of bile spewing out of a severed duct at the end of a relationship. It's one of the bitterest albums ever, and therefore one of the greatest break-up albums, if not the breakup album.

It also works as kind of a moral lesson about the excess. When you're in a rock band, and you get so coked up every night that you start to think that fucking your band members is a good idea, even when they're married to other band members, these are the feelings you end up with.

Classic. Very.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funny this thread got revived because I've been thinking I may need to investigate that middle period a bit more (the Bob Welch era in between the blues stuff and the Buckingham Nicks era). I've had Bare Trees for a while and quite like it. It's been on my mental list of records I want to relisten to but I just haven't gotten to it yet. So the other night I downloaded "Hypnotized" from this album Mystery to Me and it just KILLS. I wonder if there are other little Welch gems buried on some of those forgotten records.

I love the Peter Green era so much. Green is so much better a blues guitarist than Clapton it's not even funny. And I actually sort of like Clapton! He's just such a ripoff artist though, and you never get the sense he really feels any of it, save for Layla. Whereas we know Green was a troubled soul, and it really comes through in his music. Like he really needed to play the blues, maaaan.

But just the whole presentation is great, the hardcore blues covers (with that very good McVie Fleetwood rhythm section), the fabulous Green originals, Jeremy Spencer's sense of humor and SPOT-ON Elmore James rips (though a little definitely goes a long way), Danny Kirwan's shy introspective stuff.

The record that nailed it for me is Shrine '69. I swear it is one of the best live albums ever. It's just really taut and the setlist is great and the playing is flawless. You get the whole show - around 45 minutes - and it's just right. They were the opening band that night, and they just go out and rip through their tunes and it's a fun listen. Peter Green's playing and singing on the version of Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" is tremendous.

I better stop but of course Then Play On is great as is the BBC Sessions, which has a bunch of things that weren't recorded elsewhere (and a great version of "Rattlesnake Shake").

Oh yeah, Buckingham Nicks era is pretty rad as well.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, why can't I stop using that pesky word "great" all the time? NEW WORDS PLEASE.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Second on Shrine '69.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hm. I'd never read the AMG for that. What is with that Richie Unterberger guy anyway? What the heck is his deal? Does he hate "fun"?

The worst thing for him is that I would be sort of interested in reading his books, but the writing of his I've read elsewhere has totally put me off.

Anyway, good on ya Kenan for digging that disc.

Also, I was sort of thinking: Isn't it weird that there is like thirtysomething replies to a thread about one of the weirdest (with the coming-and-going-of-different-personnel, the radical sound shifts), longest running, most "IMPORTANT" (certainly best-selling) groups around? Where are all the pop fans? Or is it all too maybe obvious.

Anyway a fascinating band.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Little Lies is amazing. Talk about baroque. There are so many moving parts, and still so much space. And the fragility gets smashed on every chorus with that absurd WHONNG synth stab.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yes this is absolutely why I love Little Lies.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second their having a god-like rhythm section. Mick Fleetwood may be the most underrated drummer ever.

Burr (Burr), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic classic classic classic classic. I was all prepared to hate or at least dislike them when I finally sat down and listened to _Tusk_, and it completely blindsided me. I also highly recommend _Then Play On_--incredibly dark bitter late-night stuff inspired by the spirit rather than the form of electric blues.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
RUMOURS IS THE GREATEST LP EVER RELEASED. FLEETWOOD MAC IS THE GREATEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!! STOP DISSING ON THEM!!!!
NIKAYLA~

Nikayla Crews, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

why do random googlers always assume we're dissing things? and who the fuck in their right mind would diss fleetwood mac anyway?

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and why does massive cocaine abuse MAKE YOU UNABLE TO FIND THE CAPS LOCK KEY?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not much dissing on this thread, honey... For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.
-- mark s (mar...), July 3rd, 2001.

Yes hahah well Lindsey B is an androgynous punk god (just check the photos in the Tusk CD booklet - next to the other four he looks like he's wandered in from the Blitz Club). Stevie N is a hippy through and through but only an inadvertent punk goddess, which usually are the best ones.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lindsey's punk-godhood seconded! Recently found the live double lp from 1980 and the inside photos in the gatefold album sleeve are worth the price alone. Everyone else sports either a beard or feather-cut soft-focus hippie hair while LB's all skinny, jacket-wearing, staring wired-up...

Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Those photos are highly disturbing. Haven't owned a copy of that album in a while, but LB's contact lenses are highly visible if I remember correctly. "What the fuck is up with his eyes? Oh.. I see."

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

The freak-out sounds very proto-postpunk to my ears! At least until the more bluesy part toward the end of it. I can imagine JD or The Sound making something similar...

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac without a doubt have more energy on stage STILL!!!! than any of the new acts around, they keep the speed of the songs up without a breath, or a brick in the wall...

Even in the recording studio they can still write songs
that are fresh and up-lifting, Still years left in them yet.

Only The Kinks are equal to the LIVE! performance
you will see on the Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will World Tour.


ROCK ON... THE Mac

James Knight Miller, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I know this makes no sense

But I’ve been hearing the rest of Fleetwood Mac singing 🎶 I think we’re in troublllllllllle 🎶 followed by an absence of guitar solo

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 05:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Somebody mentioned Lindsey doesn't love touring. Unless he absolutely has to for money he has been on the road an awful lot in the last decade for a guy who hates touring. Also I love Mike Campbell and I dread him having to play a Heartbreakers tune with Stevie butchering the vocals.

DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think he dislikes touring. I think he doesn't like touring with Fleetwood Mac. When he does his solo tours, of which I have seen many, he always refers to it as the little machine to Fleetwood Mac's big machine, and I get where he's coming from. Fleetwood Mac, not only does the band have a manager, every member of the band has their own manager as well. Factor in 5 egos and ridiculous amounts of money, and it's probably not the most relaxing experience. Five star hotels and private jets aside.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is kinda cool imo, I'd love to hear Finn and McVie write together, and Campbell and Nicks... Fleetwood Mac changing lineups is nothing new

Could be interesting, I think it's funny that people are freaking out about this as if a) the Rumours era band was going to do some classic album at this stage and b) as if Buckingham has some ownership over this band, it existed before him and now will exist after

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yep.

Also: Nicks has already co-written material with Campbell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhOSBfPCyjM

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ah of course law of averages I should have known they'd have worked together before

Like what is being lost here? Another nostalgia tour in baseball arenas with the same lineup?

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

still lolling at 'the housebreakers' btw

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Sorry basketball arenas

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lindsay should soooo join little big town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUfCRSGBL7Y

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lindsay go on chapo

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The freakout (as such) is because Buckingham has more or less held the band together (creatively) since Rumours, and losing his songs/voice/guitar/ego/vision/hair/tan/open-chested shirt has in the past proved an insurmountable challenge. I mean, I'm not freaking out, but if I paid $500 for a ticket I might be a little perturbed. Re: creative potential, the last Fleetwood Mac album (and EP) was good, and the Buckingham/McVie album wasn't bad. And Buckingham's last five (or whatever) solo albums have all been good.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Eh I'd be much more interested in something different with guys that have a lot of talented and seem suited to the band's vibe

Like I guess if I need more I can listen to 5 Lindsay Buckingham albums I've never heard

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think I'm in
chapo

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

chapo in the night (1987)

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm cool with Fleetwood Mac doing something different, but the odds of this Fleetwood Mac being significantly different from the big machine Fleetwood Mac of the last 40 years is unlikely. Their idea of shaking things up would probably be limited to playing one song from Bare Trees and Stop Draggin my Heart Around. The rest will be the usual war horses, minus an essential linchpin. You cant fill arenas for top dollar playing Rattlesnake Shake.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 15:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I do love the players involved though. It would be awesome if it was some sort of Fleetwood Mac Presents, with the band backing up a host of like-minded singers.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 15:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This really no different than The Who, AC/DC or the Eagles...the show must go on as there is just too damn much money to be made.

earlnash, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 15:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Its not like this line-up is going to record. They're just a tribute band going out and playing the Lindsey era hits. The Buckingham/McVie album would have been a Fleetwood Mac album is Stevie had any interest in new music.

DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm with Josh. Those are two of my very favorite musicians. I wish them well, but I'm unlikely to buy concert tickets to go see them do "Second Hand News" or whatever.

Yeah and, it's not like I'm eagerly anticipating a new Fleetwood Mac album anyways, so why do I care who's in or out? The records still exist and I can listen to them whenever I want.

It is a historical curiosity that there is still such a thing as a touring Journey or Queen or Who or Stones or whatever. Again, lots of beloved and skilled people are involved, and I generally wish them well. But it's not going to tempt me out to an arena any time soon.

like hell, but with more ketchup (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The/a bummer is that Neil Finn rarely tours the US anymore.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Truthbomb. I guess he doesn't need to, as he appears happy and comfortable with dogs and children and whatnot. He appears to be richer than Colin Hay and that is as it should be.

(I am basing these impressions purely on what I see from documentaries and concert films. I watch them ALL.)

like hell, but with more ketchup (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Though MacMembership may come with a paycheck that tempts him into the Northern Hemisphere with greater regularity. If so, I would be unquietly thrilled if he snuck away for an acoustic club date here and there. Probably a pure fantasy, but it is a pleasant one.

like hell, but with more ketchup (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

We need to come up with a plan to rescue Neil from FM

brimstead, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Pay him millions of dollars I guess

brimstead, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Boo hoo ya babies

DANNY KIRWIN FOREVER!!!

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLiQBV6A7c

TIL Lindsey wrote and sang the National Lampoon song so here's the video

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The/a bummer is that Neil Finn rarely tours the US anymore.

the worthless lazy shit has played multiple shows or full tours in the US in 2002 (twice, once including Chicago), 2003 (including Chicago), 2007 (including Chicago), 2008 (including Chicago), 2009, 2010 (twice, once including Chicago), 2011 (twice, once including Chicago), 2013, 2014, 2015 (twice), 2016 (twice, once including Chicago) and 2018*.

Imagine any US artist going to the antipodes as many times in forty years as Finn has done in the fourth decade of his career alone (13 times!). Let alone locals bemoaning that infrequency.

*only one so far, but seems likely he'll be back somehow?

҉ (sic), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Crowded House, sure, but how many of those were solo gigs? That's what I was talking about. Even the 2016 show here, for example, was opening up for Guster (of all bands) in a distant outdoor outpost, and before that I don't know the last time it was just Neil as solo headliner. Some of my favorite shows have been Neil solo.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(I make the distinction because I love his solo albums, but that material doesn't get played with Crowded House.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Last time I saw FM just last tour I guess, Lindsey was talking about releasing some demos and b sides that have never seen the light of day and then him and Stevie performed one and it was awesome and I guess that aint happening no mo

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I assume it has to do with money, it's always about money. Money and their managers. each manager no doubt wants to maximize the amount of money their client gets, but to paraphrase DJ Shadow, you can only split something in half and share it once.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Crowded House, sure, but how many of those were solo gigs? That's what I was talking about.

Two of those seventeen were Crowded House.

҉ (sic), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 21:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Well then he just doesn't play Chicago. Besides the Guster one in 2006 (maybe Neil headlined?), the last solo Chicago show of his I see on setlist was in 2003. I guess the rest were CH, Pajama Club ... Finn Brothers?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 22:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Whoops, Guster was 2016 I meant.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 22:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

oh, I forgot about [The] Finn [Brothers]. Add "2004 (including Chicago)" to the list, making 17 proper times in 13 years that this artist who never tours the US travelled to the US to play shows.

(2011 in Chicago was Pajama Club, and oops, three were Crowded House - they went back in consecutive years on the first "new" album.)

҉ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 00:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

additional!

Fleetwood Mac guys clearly know Mike Campbell, but I wonder where the Neil Finn connection came from?

― Josh

Oh, wait, Mitchell Froom produced the Buckingham/McVie album, there's the one degree.

― Josh

Froom & Finn haven't worked together since three tracks for a best-of 23 years ago. It's not impossible that a bunch of still-working musicians from the '70s know another still-working musician from the '70s by reputation or in passing.

Also, Mick Fleetwood played with Liam Finn in NZ two years ago yesterday.

― me

seems Split Enz toured the US and Canada with Stevie Nicks and the Heartbreakers in 1981. and at the same 2016 gig, long-time CH fan Mick also backed Neil on Better Be Home Soon, then returned to NZ a few months later & recorded three albums' worth of material with him.

(presumably stoned jams that were fine not seeing the light of day once the haze lifted. or great songs that couldn't make it past Fleetwood's labels and managers.)

҉ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sic *knows* the things he knows

i wasn't exactly expecting that to include the historical record of kiwis' tours of north america, but nor am i surprised

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I only *knew* Josh was talking nonsense, even I was surprised when I looked it up

҉ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I did correct myself to say that I meant solo tours, where he plays his solo material. Not Pajama Club, not Crowded House, not Finn Brothers. Stuff from his solo albums.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 01:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Only fixating because of all the Finn shows I've seen - CH, Brothers - his solo shows have been my fave. Especially when Lisa Germano was in the band.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"I'm unlikely to buy concert tickets to go see them do "Second Hand News""

I have to assume they won't be playing any primarily Lindsey written material on this tour. Maybe they will but that seems like it would be weird.

akm, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"

akm, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They should get Tim Finn to replace Stevie and knuckle down and make a record.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Would totally love Finn Brothers with the FM rhythm section.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Who did he hit this time?


also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"


It’s not rumored – Ken Caillat describes Lindsey hitting a girlfriend in some detail in his book during the making of Rumours. Carol Harris, his girlfriend in the 80s who he was with during the making of Go Insane, talks about being abused as well in her book tho I haven’t read it. And, there are stories about him hitting Stevie as well.

But that’s a good point. If the band thought a woman was going to come forward, perhaps timed to coincide with them going on tour, maybe he or the band thought that perhaps it just wasn’t worth it.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I read her book and it's graphic – even the part where Harris describes applying makeup to Buck before an Elvis Costello show.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Dare I ask what that entails?

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

eyeliner!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 14:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I went back and googled and some of this stuff is in Gold Dust Woman (the Stevie bio that was published in November). So I wouldn't be surprised if the band thought it best to head that off before a tour brouht it up again; or, like I said, maybe Stevie just said 'him or me' and they made the sound financial choice.

akm, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Hopefully the Eagles organization will follow the Mac's lead and fire Don He...I couldn't even complete that sentence.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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