Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

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Is 'Rumours' the 'OK Computer' for the 'Whisperin' Bob Harris generation or would you rather 'jack'... than Fleetwood Mac?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like OLD Fleetwood Mac - when they made R&B (rhythm & blues, not Rap & Bullshit!). Prior to THAT WOMAN's arrival.

Kodanshi, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Old Fleetwood Mac def a classic (in Greatest Hits LP form anyway - probably not in the full albums, like most British Blues): Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Shake Your Money Maker, etc and especially 'Love that burns' (i think that's the title). New Fleetwood Mac still surprisingly listenable - Rumours, Mirage, Tusk etc are worth the charity shop 50p.

m jemmeson, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the set-up. And now:

Yes, Rumours *is* the OK Computer of its time. Therefore . . . dud.

[Kidding aside, I find both to be decent records, if not exactly "classics."]

Nitsuh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I luvvvvv Tusk - well, mainly the Lindsey Buckingham stuff. I will confess to enjoying the Nicks ballads on it as well - they fit nicely. I'm sorry, I know Stevie Nicks represents everything I hate (witchy unicorn crap), but it just has this desert feel to it that works for me.

Rumours I don't really care about, since I've been familiar with that one from childhood and I get nothing fresh from it.

Kerry Keane, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'Rumors' is a soft rock classic... a really thought out, ruling album. They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band. Here is California, Rumors is one of the Great California albums... like the first Doors, Hotel California, etc... showing the darkness beneath the palm trees. And when I was in 3rd grade, there was NOBODY like Stevie Nicks, with a silver coke straw up her ass... (and that legend was recently confirmed to me.)

Andy, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Big guilty pleasure - two of the singles off Stevie Nicks' second solo alb, "If Anyone Falls" and the amazing "Stand Back" - can anyone tell me if they were both written by Prince? That's what I heard, anyway.

tarden, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.

mark s, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Old blooze F.M.: dud

New F.M.: Spaced-out California cokehead popmasters: Classic to almost rival ABBA. 'Fleetwood Mac' is okay, but 'Rumours' and esp. 'Tusk' are utterly brilliant, and the come-back album is underrated. Stevie Nicks = amazing pixie with one strange voice.

Omar, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic music, dud people.

chris, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You cain't like pop songmanship without liking Rumours and most of the Fleetwood Mac and Tusk albums.

"Think About Me" from Tusk and "Never Going Back Again" in addition to most of the hits (especially the ones by Christine and Lindsey) are muchos yummy.

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Can somebody explain to me why Rumours is the O.K. Computer of the seventies? As I recall, and I really need to listen to the album again to confirm this, there were NO animals tied to stakes driven into frozen winter shit on Rumours. Or was Stevie the pig on antibiotics?

Seriously, was Rumours "ground-breaking?" Please explain. Is this comparison, between Radiohead und Fleety Mac, what you humans call "sarcasm?" Rumours sounds like standard 60s-70s pop production to me. Sure is a good record, though. Tusk was a little wierd...

Or are we saying that Okay, Computer!! isn't groundbreakin? Maybe that's what we're saying. By saying "we" I don't know who I'm referring to. What was the question?

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Tarden, I admit it, too - I love "Stand Back," and I stole my mom's old 45 copy of it. I am serious about this, though: if you are fortunate enough to own it on 45, slow it down to 33 RPM and tell me Stevie doesn't sound eerily like Mick Jagger. I shit you not. As soon as I become technologically adept, I plan on burning an mp3 of it and becoming famous for my discovery (which I've already patented, so don't even think about it).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Warning: ILM turning into www.mojo_q_uncut.co.uk. Really, maybe we can pass a rule that states that every question must mention: R*d**h**d, The B**tl*s or Brian bloody W*ls*n?

- Daft Punk: which robot is the John Lennon?

- Mingus' 'Ah-hum': the 'Ok Computer' of jazz?

- Orpheus: the Brian Wilson of ancient Greece? Oh and search & destroy his underrated post-Hades phase!

Omar, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
REVIVE! I wanna talk about ver 'Mac.

No mention of their godlike rhythm section? Tsk. Lindsey is a god of production and a brilliant fingerpicking guitarist. Mirage and Tango In The Night are often overlooked and really pretty good records, although not quite up to the Rumours/Tusk standard. Forget the stuff post-Lindsey, some of it is alright but not classic in the least. The version of the band that featured none of Stevie/Lindsey/Christine is just embarrassing.

Having recently listened to their Greatest Hits recently, I was quite struck by the fact that my favourite Mac songs are Stevie's. "Sara" is phenomenal.

Classic. Oh yes.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty good. I don't know if it was groundbreaking, but "Rumors" at least had a pretty disinctive sound to it. I wish I had missed the Clinton inaugural fiasco, though.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Actually this is my test band. If someone doesn't like Rumours Tusk or the S/T one, out he/she goes. :-)

nathalie, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band.

I suppose the Blue Oyster Cult was somewhat gentler than Black Sabbath or AC/DC but this still seems like a bizarre characterization of their music.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well it works if all the BOC you ever heard is "Don't Fear The Reaper", & that's prob the case for most ppl...

, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult

This occurred to me tonight, when I was listening to "I'm So Afraid" (which I've decided is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song... see my top 100 singles list). The mid-to-late '70s Fleetwood Mac had this great moody quasi-metal stoner-goth impulse that reared its head every so often. You mostly hear it in the Stevie songs, but Lindsey had it in him too. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 10:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I would say quite dud. And that goes for both the AOR era and the Peter Green-years. There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Their early years showed them to be a wonderfrul blues/throwback act with both humor and class. Maybe not a substantial enough offering to be considered classic, but i like it.

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

---ABut, you can't really compare the early years with their more popular 70s/80s era (which, of course, i don't particularly care for).

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

"The Green Manalishi"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.
Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

The only AOR album Genesis released during the 70s was "And Then There Were Three". Which was a better album than anything Fleetwood Mac did, so you're right anyway. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Firth of Fifth" is AOR, Geir. "Supper's Ready (edit)" is too.

Hey what's the one Geir that starts out "Up on the forest road, there's hundreds of cars and they're luxury cars!! Each has got a load of convertible bars, cutlery scars, and superstars!! 'Cause tonite is the night when they sort it out sort it out, because they can't seem to agree on their gerrymandered boundaries? There's Salamander Slim with his whiskey and gin, whiskey and gin...and Big-Assed Rocker Ted, he's touched in the head, touched in the head? 'Cause tonite they gonna sort it out, sort it out, yes they're finding ways to agree on a boundary?" I may have gotten a few words wrong but I'm working from memory here--it's really a good song.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Someone recently sent me the DVD Audio version of Rumours and it was so tinny it hurt my freakin' ears. What's even better, because I was blasting it to check out the sound quality of a computer sound card I was testing, I was able to irritate all the people around me: the guy who works next to me has near-violent reactions when he hears Rumours, having been forced to listen to it repeatedly earlier in his life.

Jim is right: Mirage is totally underrated. I used to love that album.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Man of the world -classic
rest-dud

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 20 March 2003 19:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is the Buckingham Nicks LP any good?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I love Fleetwood Mac. Classic, definitely. Landslide is a beautiful song. A cocaine FM classic and a heartbreaker.

Is Spiritualised - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space a Rumours for the 90s?

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no it isn't. unless kate radley wrote lots of songs about how much of a crap partner jason pierce was

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like Tusk a lot. I like how Buckingham takes what are essentially radio-ready singles and fucks with the mix so that one part (say the drums in "What Makes You Think You're the One") dominates more than is typically acceptable on the radio. Like the arrangements reveal all the hidden impulses of '70s AOR.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thye classic thing about Rumours is not just the songs, which are good, but the gut-wrenching, awful, almost horrifying sound of bile spewing out of a severed duct at the end of a relationship. It's one of the bitterest albums ever, and therefore one of the greatest break-up albums, if not the breakup album.

It also works as kind of a moral lesson about the excess. When you're in a rock band, and you get so coked up every night that you start to think that fucking your band members is a good idea, even when they're married to other band members, these are the feelings you end up with.

Classic. Very.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funny this thread got revived because I've been thinking I may need to investigate that middle period a bit more (the Bob Welch era in between the blues stuff and the Buckingham Nicks era). I've had Bare Trees for a while and quite like it. It's been on my mental list of records I want to relisten to but I just haven't gotten to it yet. So the other night I downloaded "Hypnotized" from this album Mystery to Me and it just KILLS. I wonder if there are other little Welch gems buried on some of those forgotten records.

I love the Peter Green era so much. Green is so much better a blues guitarist than Clapton it's not even funny. And I actually sort of like Clapton! He's just such a ripoff artist though, and you never get the sense he really feels any of it, save for Layla. Whereas we know Green was a troubled soul, and it really comes through in his music. Like he really needed to play the blues, maaaan.

But just the whole presentation is great, the hardcore blues covers (with that very good McVie Fleetwood rhythm section), the fabulous Green originals, Jeremy Spencer's sense of humor and SPOT-ON Elmore James rips (though a little definitely goes a long way), Danny Kirwan's shy introspective stuff.

The record that nailed it for me is Shrine '69. I swear it is one of the best live albums ever. It's just really taut and the setlist is great and the playing is flawless. You get the whole show - around 45 minutes - and it's just right. They were the opening band that night, and they just go out and rip through their tunes and it's a fun listen. Peter Green's playing and singing on the version of Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" is tremendous.

I better stop but of course Then Play On is great as is the BBC Sessions, which has a bunch of things that weren't recorded elsewhere (and a great version of "Rattlesnake Shake").

Oh yeah, Buckingham Nicks era is pretty rad as well.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, why can't I stop using that pesky word "great" all the time? NEW WORDS PLEASE.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Second on Shrine '69.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hm. I'd never read the AMG for that. What is with that Richie Unterberger guy anyway? What the heck is his deal? Does he hate "fun"?

The worst thing for him is that I would be sort of interested in reading his books, but the writing of his I've read elsewhere has totally put me off.

Anyway, good on ya Kenan for digging that disc.

Also, I was sort of thinking: Isn't it weird that there is like thirtysomething replies to a thread about one of the weirdest (with the coming-and-going-of-different-personnel, the radical sound shifts), longest running, most "IMPORTANT" (certainly best-selling) groups around? Where are all the pop fans? Or is it all too maybe obvious.

Anyway a fascinating band.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Little Lies is amazing. Talk about baroque. There are so many moving parts, and still so much space. And the fragility gets smashed on every chorus with that absurd WHONNG synth stab.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yes this is absolutely why I love Little Lies.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second their having a god-like rhythm section. Mick Fleetwood may be the most underrated drummer ever.

Burr (Burr), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic classic classic classic classic. I was all prepared to hate or at least dislike them when I finally sat down and listened to _Tusk_, and it completely blindsided me. I also highly recommend _Then Play On_--incredibly dark bitter late-night stuff inspired by the spirit rather than the form of electric blues.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
RUMOURS IS THE GREATEST LP EVER RELEASED. FLEETWOOD MAC IS THE GREATEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!! STOP DISSING ON THEM!!!!
NIKAYLA~

Nikayla Crews, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

why do random googlers always assume we're dissing things? and who the fuck in their right mind would diss fleetwood mac anyway?

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and why does massive cocaine abuse MAKE YOU UNABLE TO FIND THE CAPS LOCK KEY?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not much dissing on this thread, honey... For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.
-- mark s (mar...), July 3rd, 2001.

Yes hahah well Lindsey B is an androgynous punk god (just check the photos in the Tusk CD booklet - next to the other four he looks like he's wandered in from the Blitz Club). Stevie N is a hippy through and through but only an inadvertent punk goddess, which usually are the best ones.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lindsey's punk-godhood seconded! Recently found the live double lp from 1980 and the inside photos in the gatefold album sleeve are worth the price alone. Everyone else sports either a beard or feather-cut soft-focus hippie hair while LB's all skinny, jacket-wearing, staring wired-up...

Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Those photos are highly disturbing. Haven't owned a copy of that album in a while, but LB's contact lenses are highly visible if I remember correctly. "What the fuck is up with his eyes? Oh.. I see."

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

The freak-out sounds very proto-postpunk to my ears! At least until the more bluesy part toward the end of it. I can imagine JD or The Sound making something similar...

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac without a doubt have more energy on stage STILL!!!! than any of the new acts around, they keep the speed of the songs up without a breath, or a brick in the wall...

Even in the recording studio they can still write songs
that are fresh and up-lifting, Still years left in them yet.

Only The Kinks are equal to the LIVE! performance
you will see on the Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will World Tour.


ROCK ON... THE Mac

James Knight Miller, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yep

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink

he had some pretty serious health complications though iirc

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:22 (three months ago) Permalink

this is a nice slow burner, assuming the great lead break at 3:36 is kirwin since he wrote the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vMqep1lC0

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:29 (three months ago) Permalink

spencer's sha na na 50s pastiche bullshit kinda fucks up the album for me but it's still got a lot of good stuff

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:32 (three months ago) Permalink

Welch actually seemed pretty stable, all accounts I've read of his suicide lead me to believe it was due to the aforementioned (physical) health issues

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 11 June 2018 15:42 (three months ago) Permalink

He was really into aliens.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 June 2018 15:47 (three months ago) Permalink

sha na na 50s pastiche bullshit

Aw man, this hurts me. True, they make for a disjointed listening experience, but I love almost all of Spencer's cuts (I'm not so hot on the cover of "Mission Bell.")

Anyway, RIP Mr. Kirwan. I'm sure I mentioned on another thread, "Sunny Side of Heaven" was the first song I ever learned to pick on a guitar.

even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Monday, 11 June 2018 16:48 (three months ago) Permalink

i just read about this, RIP.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 02:15 (three months ago) Permalink

this is a really nice solo song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN6M5hWU_5U

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:26 (three months ago) Permalink

HEY TOUGH GUY, DO YOU PREFER RUMOURS *kisses left bicep* OR TUSK *kisses right bicep*

— zachary (@ingmarbirdman) September 6, 2013

flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:33 (three months ago) Permalink

was in a record store in wichita on sunday that had three of kirwan's solo albums for a couple of dollars each. should i regret not picking them up?

Stanley Therapy (stevie), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:05 (three months ago) Permalink

RIP DANNY

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:12 (three months ago) Permalink

XP Probably, if they weren't too scratched up. He only did three, they didn't sell well, and have been barely been available on CD.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:28 (three months ago) Permalink

I haven't actually heard them, but from what I read the first two are pretty good.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:29 (three months ago) Permalink

i grew up on kiln house, i got nothing bad to say about it

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:30 (three months ago) Permalink

did we ever discuss how beautiful the alternate That's Alright is? https://open.spotify.com/track/6CU4BzfHvcuaYtoKyP9xI6

niels, Monday, 18 June 2018 14:25 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VElI89y_-QI

Eliza D., Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

in a way i don't particularly care about whether super genius baby lindsey buckingham is onstage here, he's made some of my favorite music of all time and made me want to play guitar but guy is unbelievably full of himself and i'll basically never get over some of the things i've read (and had to incorporate into my own writing) about shit he did

however that was flat and unconvincing for me

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

then again television performances are often flat and unconvincing

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Neil was fine, but stevie was mic'd way too low. and how many extra musicians were there onstage there?

this is still one of my favourite live performances of anything ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGykwC0fdJ4

canary christ (stevie), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's the definitive take on The Chain

doug watson, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ugh, love Neil, he deserves better than this. Not full of himself enough!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

His new album with Liam is nice.

canary christ (stevie), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Idiot tv soundguy was like "ok, who sings lead on this -- the dude? Got it!" I don't think it's a terrific performance anyway, but that mix was unspeakable and maybe the monitors were just as bad so no judging yet.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that was terrible, and I say that as a fan and someone who prior to now had been cautiously optimistic about this new lineup

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Thought it was ok, except the closing solo that loses the proto post punk magic of the original

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Wow that 1982 clip above is insane. Captures everything wild about the band

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they had too much soda before the show iirc

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Neil is in a no-win situation here, I think. Well, except his wallet wins, I guess.

alpine static, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Said it before, somewhere, but I would love to see Fleetwood Mac backing Neil Finn. Campbell can come along, too.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

honestly do bands ever come off well on TV shows? i feel like the sound is always super weak and the whole thing feels weird

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

there's a lot of good tv performances from the 60s/70s

niels, Thursday, 6 September 2018 06:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

And the 80s and the 90s and in the 2000s -- competent sound techs help, and bands that just do their thing regardless tend to do better (which benefits post-punk and post-jazz groups disproportionately). Big thrown together pop groups on Ellen are likely at a big disadvantage. Don't get me wrong -- I suspect the tour's gonna suck and Fleetwood Mac doing a tv show with sound that band speaks poorly for the togetherness of the whole enterprise, but it's hard to judge a mess that big as the players' fault.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 06:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Watching it again, I will say this about the performance -- Mike and Neil are trying to lock in with Mick, and they both come from bands where that worked well. Mick Fleetwood's not that drummer at all, and successful guitarists in Fleetwood Mac tend to push him forward (naturally or chemically) and he holds the whole thing back and keeps it in place. This performance drags badly before the bass solo because of the "no, YOU play first" game of chicken going on.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 06:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also, Neil Finn is a great leader and front man, just not for a band like Fleetwood Mac, or at least not in the intense, high strung Lindsey Buckingham mode. Will he be able to banter? Make jokes? Who's going to do the talking on stage, Stevie all night?

And yeah, not just Mick, the rest of the band is famous for staring daggers at one another, which drives the performances. But when Neil Finn and Stevie Nicks are staring at each other on stage, what are they looking at? There's no history.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 11:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Neil was fine, but stevie was mic'd way too low. and how many extra musicians were there onstage there?

this is still one of my favourite live performances of anything ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGykwC0fdJ4

― canary christ (stevie),

Top yt comment: “you can actually hear the cocaine” made me laugh.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 6 September 2018 11:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

FM has had a bunch of extra musicians on stage since their The Dance reunion, iirc.

Here they are doing Gypsy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2EUMr_Fww

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's much better, or at least a better fit for this lineup.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Weird, though, they seem to cut out the guitar solo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Youtube comments on the ellen performance mostly seem to agree that Neil doesn’t really work in here. I think that the song choice was probably inadequate as well, they should have went for a nicks or mcvie led ballad... they probably chose the chain as it’s the song most young people now identify of them by its appearance in Guardians Of the Galaxy.

Anyways it just doesn’t work and qs exemplified by the 1982 performance it’s a song that demands too much energy and works better when performed somewhat incohesively, close but not together. Not waiting for the other band members to cue you in.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Still clueless vocals mixing on Gypsy (all three voices should go RIGHT UP FRONT, only the hired hand voices should be quieter, dammit), but the rhythm issue is much less of a problem -- but that's because this one has John pushing the tempo, letting Mick try to keep up with him.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Basically this lineup is totally misbegotten. You can replace Lindsey Buckingham, but it is a mistake to replicate him, especially when you invite a world-class songwriter to join your band.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Two world-class songwriters, if you include Mike Campbell.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah it would be cool if they did another transformation of the band
but kinda feel like no one is invested enough in it at this point to try

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Au contraire, they are *literally* too invested.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

or yeah i know what you mean, i guess i mean motivated, like they just probably want to get the dough from the tour and be done

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If they thought of money in terms of millions rather than tens or hundreds of millions they would tour smaller venues and try something different.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

not only did Campbell not get the closing solo in "Gypsy," but he barely tried those fills in the middle eight…

veronica moser, Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah it would be cool if they did another transformation of the band
but kinda feel like no one is invested enough in it at this point to try

this is the first performance with the ringer bloke that Mick likes and wanted to bring in, on the least adventurous talk show in America. even if the others were open to changing methods or arrangements or writing new material, it'd be unlikely to happen until they've played full shows in front of audiences and learnt who they are as a band.

▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they should just keep it going like the Harlem Globetrotters, no need for the Mac brand to end anytime soon. There are plenty of musicians out there, there will be plenty still 100 years from now.

omar little, Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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